Where is OT Rob Pettiti?

[ninja]

The Saints are coming to town and I haven't heard Pettitie's name yet. Is he still on the Saints roster? Has he been active for any games yet? Will he play?

He was actually one of my favorite Cowboys (only because he came from my alma mater Pitt). He's a good guy and I wish him well(just not against the Cowboys!). And his dad posted here a lot with good info. I thought that was pretty cool.

[Yeagermeister]

The Saints are coming to town and I haven't heard Pettitie's name yet. Is he still on the Saints roster? Has he been active for any games yet? Will he play?

He was actually one of my favorite Cowboys (only because he came from my alma mater Pitt). He's a good guy and I wish him well(just not against the Cowboys!). And his dad posted here a lot with good info. I thought that was pretty cool.

He's riding them bench.

[k19]

He's riding them bench.

Riding nothing, I think he's hog tied to it, 0 playing time all season :eek:

[AMERICAS_FAN]

The Saints are coming to town and I haven't heard Pettitie's name yet. Is he still on the Saints roster? Has he been active for any games yet? Will he play?

He was actually one of my favorite Cowboys (only because he came from my alma mater Pitt). He's a good guy and I wish him well(just not against the Cowboys!). And his dad posted here a lot with good info. I thought that was pretty cool.

Boy, I hope he plays so that he can finally contribute to the Dallas Cowboys! :p: ;) :D

AF

[dbair1967]

I dont think he's even been active for one game

David

[GimmeTheBall!]

The Saints are coming to town and I haven't heard Pettitie's name yet. Is he still on the Saints roster? Has he been active for any games yet? Will he play?

He was actually one of my favorite Cowboys (only because he came from my alma mater Pitt). He's a good guy and I wish him well(just not against the Cowboys!). And his dad posted here a lot with good info. I thought that was pretty cool.


A Parcells guy who did not work out. Or in NO, either.

[dcboy]

I was jumping for joy when he was cut. That guy was terrible for us. May be a good guy and all, but wasn't starting material when he wore the star.

[pittdawg]

He's riding them bench.

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.

i know rob stumbled badly at the end of last season, for more than one reason, but i noticed that this years sacks, without rob, were very similar to last year before bledsoe was cast aside and romo came in to save the season.

in any case i'm sure rob will be fine and playing again soon. good luck, it looks like you guys are firing on all cylinders now.

[MichaelWinicki]

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.

i know rob stumbled badly at the end of last season, for more than one reason, but i noticed that this years sacks, without rob, were very similar to last year before bledsoe was cast aside and romo came in to save the season.

in any case i'm sure rob will be fine and playing again soon. good luck, it looks like you guys are firing on all cylinders now.

PD,

You're right about Bledsoe.

The guy is an "offensive line killer".

[sbuscha]

I was jumping for joy when he was cut. That guy was terrible for us. May be a good guy and all, but wasn't starting material when he wore the star.

Get some class man. Rob came in as a rookie and held his own. Some players take time to develop. Rob will be just fine in time

[numnuts23]

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.


Quick question...is this because he was thrown in the fire here in Dallas or that our Offensive Line coach as Borat would say "not so good" ?

Just wondering

[Maikeru-sama]

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.

i know rob stumbled badly at the end of last season, for more than one reason, but i noticed that this years sacks, without rob, were very similar to last year before bledsoe was cast aside and romo came in to save the season.

in any case i'm sure rob will be fine and playing again soon. good luck, it looks like you guys are firing on all cylinders now.

That is an extremely good point.

I bet Rob would have benefited from Tony Romo.

- Mike G.

[sago1]

Welcome Pittdawg. Please ignore those fans on this board who are plain boorish. We've got some good posters on here who really know the game, etc. but unfortunately we've also got some of the other kind. I was one of your son's fans. I loved his hard work ethic and attitude and was stunned when he was cut. I do understand from what I later read that Parcells didn't want to cut him but it came down to numbers & I guess surprise at how well Colombo progressed.

Agree that our OL last year was not solely responsible for our offensive play toward end of season; Bledsoe was an upgrade over the QB we had before but he regressed in 06 (skills much diminished) and we needed young QB like Romo who very mobile.

Hope Rob does well with the Saints but not in this game against us. BTW: Your comment he getting good OL coaching in NO doesn't surprise most of us here. Many of us have been critical of our OL coaching; I'd like to see us bring in a real vet OL coach instead of Soprano who better offensive play caller then OL coach. Regards

[Maikeru-sama]

Quick question...is this because he was thrown in the fire here in Dallas or that our Offensive Line coach as Borat would say "not so good" ?

Just wondering

Quite a few rookies played heavily during their rookie year, but I think Rob was the only one that started every game.

The Coaching staff didnt have a "Plan B" if the rookie faultered and he was trying to protect Drew Bledsoe. Marco Rivera playing below-average and getting blown-up didnt help the situation either.

- Mike G.

[Hostile]

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.

i know rob stumbled badly at the end of last season, for more than one reason, but i noticed that this years sacks, without rob, were very similar to last year before bledsoe was cast aside and romo came in to save the season.

in any case i'm sure rob will be fine and playing again soon. good luck, it looks like you guys are firing on all cylinders now.It's nice to see you again Mr. Petitti. Thanks for dropping by.

Amazing how the team has rebounded with a QB change isn't it?

[Hoofbite]

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.

i know rob stumbled badly at the end of last season, for more than one reason, but i noticed that this years sacks, without rob, were very similar to last year before bledsoe was cast aside and romo came in to save the season.

in any case i'm sure rob will be fine and playing again soon. good luck, it looks like you guys are firing on all cylinders now.


Hey man. I really appreciate you giving us all the news on Rob. Not because hes by favorite player or anything but because its just so rare to get so so much information. I think its pretty cool you take the time to stop in, especailly when Rob was on the team.

That being said man......Im really not all that sad that Rob is no longer a Cowboy. In fact, given the emergence of Columbo, Im quite pleased. I wish Rob luck.......hope he gets a shot somewhere.

[dcboy]

Get some class man. Rob came in as a rookie and held his own. Some players take time to develop. Rob will be just fine in time

I don't see how what I said is classless. I also don't think Rob came close to holding his own. I was happy to see him gone because for whatever reason, Parcells didn't view him as a project that needed some time to watch. He wanted to play him again and the thought of that made me sick. I watched footage of him in 05 all summer and he was terrible. It didn't seem like he made the strides that we all hoped for in preseason and was rightfully cut. We have someone to develop who looks to have a much higher ceiling than Petitti and that the coaches are willing to allow to develop. He may end up being a good player, but I didn't want him on the field as a Cowboy unless he improves a lot. I don't mean to offend his father or anyone who likes him personally, but I am speaking my mind about football and the Cowboys and won't censor myself just because of who may read it.

[yesfan]

pittdawg
It was really nice of you to repond to this board,always
felt you're a proud father.I'm sure Rob will be fine,he worked
very hard for us and i'm sorry he was let go.Glad Sean signed
him,I wish him good luck.

[pittdawg]

Hey man. I really appreciate you giving us all the news on Rob. Not because hes by favorite player or anything but because its just so rare to get so so much information. I think its pretty cool you take the time to stop in, especailly when Rob was on the team.

That being said man......Im really not all that sad that Rob is no longer a Cowboy. In fact, given the emergence of Columbo, Im quite pleased. I wish Rob luck.......hope he gets a shot somewhere.

fair enough, i only posted to inform all what rob is doing. since rob remains close friends with many present cowboys, i would never wish bad luck on them, however, i can't say the same for one coach in particular. i wish you luck, but being a giant fan it wouldn't bother me in the least if the cowboys faltered down the stretch.

[Doomsday]

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.


Im sorry but he got the same line coaching as Colombo, Gurode and others that improved quite a bit from last season. I wish Rob the best of luck because he was thrown into a tough situation last year and he is a hard worker so its hard not to root for him. With that said there are some sour grapes trying to blame our coaching staff because he was beat out. Rob was given every chance to win the spot in training camp but wasnt able to do so.

[Reality]

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.

i know rob stumbled badly at the end of last season, for more than one reason, but i noticed that this years sacks, without rob, were very similar to last year before bledsoe was cast aside and romo came in to save the season.

in any case i'm sure rob will be fine and playing again soon. good luck, it looks like you guys are firing on all cylinders now.
Romo rode the bench his first 3.5 seasons .. amazing how that turned out.

So many fans now expect players to be all-pros their first year .. no sense of reality (pun intended).

-Reality

[pittdawg]

Im sorry but he got the same line coaching as Colombo, Gurode and others that improved quite a bit from last season. I wish Rob the best of luck because he was thrown into a tough situation last year, with that said there are some sour grapes trying to blame our coaching staff because he was beat out. Rob was given every chance to win the spot in training camp but wasnt able to do so.

no sour grapes just making a point that many have made here right up until romo took over. also, how do you say he was given every chance to win a spot when after two days of camp he was relegated to third string rt or lt and had his reps reduced to almost zero. when continually questioned by the press why rob wasn't getting more time, parcells only said i know what he can do.

that's all water under the bridge and i don't harbor ill feelings about his situation. his time in dallas was fun and rob has nothing to be sorry for.

[Doomsday]

Romo rode the bench his first 3.5 seasons .. amazing how that turned out.

So many fans now expect players to be all-pros their first year .. no sense of reality (pun intended).

-Reality

In reality if Petitti had shown the team the type of long term potential that Romo did they would of held onto him. BP felt like McQuistan and Colombo had more upside which left Petitti the odd man odd.

[Maikeru-sama]

Im sorry but he got the same line coaching as Colombo, Gurode and others that improved quite a bit from last season. I wish Rob the best of luck because he was thrown into a tough situation last year and he is a hard worker so its hard not to root for him. With that said there are some sour grapes trying to blame our coaching staff because he was beat out. Rob was given every chance to win the spot in training camp but wasnt able to do so.

Actually, before Romo entered the lineup the only consistent player on the offensive line was probably Kyle Kosier.

Go watch the Philly and 1st Giants game.

Matt Mosely talked about when Bledsoe was in the lineup, the members of the offensive line would hide and not talk to the press, but when Romo started playing, they opened up to the media.

I wasn't a Rob Petitti fan, but I think he would play better than he did last year with Romo in the lineup.

- Mike G.

[Doomsday]

Colombo and Gurode has been solid all season, with the exception of the Philly game for Gurode and the first Giants game for Colombo. The decicision was made long before the season started, for whatever reason BP wanted to go in a different direction and I trust his experience.

[Maikeru-sama]

In reality if Petitti had shown the team the type of long term potential that Romo did they would of held onto him. BP felt like McQuistan and Colombo had more upside which left Petitti the odd man odd.

Yes and no.

Matt Lehr was let go, mainly because he was too small and really didnt have a true position and he has started for the Falcons line (the one that has led the league in Rushing 2 years straight) for the last 2 years.

Nobody is crying that Petitti is not here but it is always "2 sides" to every story.

- Mike G.

[Yeagermeister]

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.

i know rob stumbled badly at the end of last season, for more than one reason, but i noticed that this years sacks, without rob, were very similar to last year before bledsoe was cast aside and romo came in to save the season.

in any case i'm sure rob will be fine and playing again soon. good luck, it looks like you guys are firing on all cylinders now.

I meant no disrespect to Rob. I was one of his biggest supporters while he was with Dallas.

[SultanOfSix]

In reality if Petitti had shown the team the type of long term potential that Romo did they would of held onto him. BP felt like McQuistan and Colombo had more upside which left Petitti the odd man odd.

Not necessarily true. Parcells made it a point in his press conference that he had a hard decision to make, and although he didn't state it specifically, he was referring to holding onto Fabini over Petitti. I'm sure he saw upside in Petitti and would have liked to have kept him, but felt he needed more developing, and had to weigh that against the veteran experience Fabini provided in case of injury.

I do agree with the latter statement though, and I don't agree with pittdawg on blaming the coaching staff.

[Yeagermeister]

Yes and no.

Matt Lehr was let go, mainly because he was too small and really didnt have a true position and he has started for the Falcons line (the one that has led the league in Rushing 2 years straight) for the last 2 years.

Nobody is crying that Petitti is not here but it is always "2 sides" to every story.

- Mike G.

and Lehr got popped for roids also :D

[Maikeru-sama]

Colombo and Gurode has been solid all season, with the exception of the Philly game for Gurode and the first Giants game for Colombo.

Yeah, Jacksonville's D-Line was banged up, Tennessee and the Skins absolutely blow.

So that leaves the Gints and Philly as the teams we played with Bledsoe that could muster a really good pass rush.

Do some searching on this thread, there was quite a bit of mumbling about the Offensive Line when Bledsoe was under center.

You know this DD :D .

- Mike G.

[superpunk]

Yeah, Jacksonville's D-Line was banged up, Tennessee and the Skins absolutely blow.

So that leaves the Gints and Philly as the teams we played with Bledsoe that could muster a really good pass rush.

Do some searching on this thread, there was quite a bit of mumbling about the Offensive Line when Bledsoe was under center.

You know this DD :D .

- Mike G.

It was mostly unfounded, though. If people were really paying attention, they could see how much better the Oline was performing. Bledsoe was just performing that much worse. Those faulting the Oline early were just expecting them to perform at an unreasonable level.

[Reality]

In reality if Petitti had shown the team the type of long term potential that Romo did they would of held onto him. BP felt like McQuistan and Colombo had more upside which left Petitti the odd man odd.
Don't be so limited ..

Sometimes, players are released for other reasons. A good example is Shanle .. Parcells realized he was better suited for a 4-3 defense than a 3-4 defense. Just because Parcells traded him away didn't mean he didn't think he was a good player. In fact, just the opposite .. he kept complimenting Shanle for weeks after he was traded to the Saints.

Oh, and I'm not saying Petitti is better than Columbo or McQuistan, just that because he was released does not mean he was a bad player. It very well could be that Parcells thought Petitti was two years away from being where he needed to be and Columbo and McQuistan would be ready sooner.

I want to see all of our draft picks do well even ones we release or trade away. Why? Simple .. because the Cowboys drafted them and I want to see some results from it even if it's on another team a few years down the road.

That being said, I don't want to see them do well AGAINST the Cowboys :)

-Reality

[Doomsday]

Yes and no.

Matt Lehr was let go, mainly because he was too small and really didnt have a true position and he has started for the Falcons line (the one that has led the league in Rushing 2 years straight) for the last 2 years.

Nobody is crying that Petitti is not here but it is always "2 sides" to every story.

- Mike G.

Your right there are 2 sides to every story just like one can argue that Atlanta's rushing numbers are inflated each year by Vick's rushing. Also just because Lehr is playing well in Atlanta doesnt mean he fits our scheme. No one is going to be 100% right in their talent evalutions, you have to go with your gut.

[Doomsday]

Don't be so limited ..

Sometimes, players are released for other reasons. A good example is Shanle .. Parcells realized he was better suited for a 4-3 defense than a 3-4 defense. Just because Parcells traded him away didn't mean he didn't think he was a good player. In fact, just the opposite .. he kept complimenting Shanle for weeks after he was traded to the Saints.

Oh, and I'm not saying Petitti is better than Columbo or McQuistan, just that because he was released does not mean he was a bad player. It very well could be that Parcells thought Petitti was two years away from being where he needed to be and Columbo and McQuistan would be ready sooner.

I want to see all of our draft picks do well even ones we release or trade away. Why? Simple .. because the Cowboys drafted them and I want to see some results from it even if it's on another team a few years down the road.

That being said, I don't want to see them do well AGAINST the Cowboys :)

-Reality

I agree with you 100% and I never said he was a bad player I just dont think its right to say he didnt get any coaching here in Dallas. I actually wish him well, he obviously worked really hard in the offseason to improve his strength and conditioning and I respect that. I just think BP wanted to go in a different direction, which he has the right to do.

[Maikeru-sama]

Your right there are 2 sides to every story just like one can argue that Atlanta's rushing numbers are inflated each year by Vick's rushing. Also just because Lehr is playing well in Atlanta doesnt mean he fits our scheme. No one is going to be 100% right in their talent evalutions, you have to go with your gut.

That is what I just said, Lehr was too small and Al Johnson came back from injury.

It is all speculation, but I dont think it is unreasonable to say that Petitti would play better than 2005 with Romo as his quarterback.

I mean, his performance in 2005 was dreadful, even with Witten helping, so there was only one way to go, Up!!!

Where is the guy on here who has a sig of a Moat, a Fence and 11 Blockers helping to protect Drew Bledsoe when you need him :D .

- Mike G.

[WoodysGirl]

Colombo and Gurode has been solid all season, with the exception of the Philly game for Gurode and the first Giants game for Colombo. The decicision was made long before the season started, for whatever reason BP wanted to go in a different direction and I trust his experience.
It's hard to use Columbo and Gurode as a good example though. Up until this year, Gurode was considered a bust by many. For some reason, the light turned on and he's been solid. Columbo was a 1st round draft pick who suffered from injuries. It took years for both of them to really get it going...and it's nice to see.

I agree with Sultan in that the decision was made to weigh the experience of a Vet over a two line projects.

Although he didn't name names, I wouldn't blame pittdawg if he was referencing Sparano. There were many on here griping about him in the offseason.

[StanleySpadowski]

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.

i know rob stumbled badly at the end of last season, for more than one reason, but i noticed that this years sacks, without rob, were very similar to last year before bledsoe was cast aside and romo came in to save the season.

in any case i'm sure rob will be fine and playing again soon. good luck, it looks like you guys are firing on all cylinders now.



Don't bother yourself with the morons.



He's in the NFL. 99.99% of everyone here would give almost anything to be living that dream.

It's jealousy, pure and simple, plus thanks to 2 seasons of full salary and that huge playing time bonus from last year, he's already made more money that a lot of idiots will make in their lifetime.

[neosapien23]

no sour grapes just making a point that many have made here right up until romo took over. also, how do you say he was given every chance to win a spot when after two days of camp he was relegated to third string rt or lt and had his reps reduced to almost zero. when continually questioned by the press why rob wasn't getting more time, parcells only said i know what he can do.

that's all water under the bridge and i don't harbor ill feelings about his situation. his time in dallas was fun and rob has nothing to be sorry for.


I am not trying to take your side but the double standard is sometimes redicoulous. Many fans will argue that your son should not have started and that is somewhat true. He should have been a backup and given years to learn the position. The is no different than what is going on with McQuistan. McQuistan would look horrible if he started right now. If Rob would have sat on the bench, learned the position and gotten stronger he might have had a chance. No way a rookie switching positions is going to look good starting on the Oline.

Bobby Carpenter has not even sniffed the field. People can say what they want about depth, but he was a 1st rounder. Ellis is hurt and Parcells still hasn't inserted him into the line up. Carpenter is being given way more slack than Rob who actually played. Yeah Pettitti looked bad, but I do not think he ever gave less than his best. He was just set up for failure.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad that Colombo took Rob's job because he is an improvement. I am a Cowboys fan and am grateful for an upgrade at any position. However, Rob gave us his best, played hurt, was severely undercoached, and thrown to the wolves. Again no rookie is going to look good against veterans like Strahan. The don't have the experience and their bodies are not has devloped as they should be.

[superpunk]

Don't bother yourself with the morons.



He's in the NFL. 99.99% of everyone here would give almost anything to be living that dream.

It's jealousy, pure and simple, plus thanks to 2 seasons of full salary and that huge playing time bonus from last year, he's already made more money that a lot of idiots will make in their lifetime.
Sure.

It had nothing to do with bad play for people's favorite team.

You just bash Bledsoe because you're jealous. :rolleyes: Give me a break.

[Doomsday]

It's hard to use Columbo and Gurode as a good example though. Up until this year, he was considered a bust by many. For some reason, the light turned on and he's been solid. Columbo was a 1st round draft pick who suffered from injuries. It took years for both of them to really get it going...and it's nice to see.



You make a good point but all Im saying is BP saw something in those 2 players (like Romo) whatever it was that made him believe that they could be productive if he took the time to develop them. For whatever reason he didnt have that same belief in Rob. For all we know the Saints saw something Dallas didnt and he could end up being a very good player.

Its hard to argue with BP wanting to keep Fabini around given what transpired the previous year. That left McQuistan or Petitti as the odd man out.

[Maikeru-sama]

Don't bother yourself with the morons.



He's in the NFL. 99.99% of everyone here would give almost anything to be living that dream.

It's jealousy, pure and simple, plus thanks to 2 seasons of full salary and that huge playing time bonus from last year, he's already made more money that a lot of idiots will make in their lifetime.

So I am guessing that the fact that he gave up the most Sacks at his position in the NFL last year had nothing to do with it?

Not trying to bash because I have been defending the guy in this thread but passing the criticism off as jealousy is a bit odd.

[WoodysGirl]

You make a good point but all Im saying is BP saw something in those 2 players (like Romo) whatever it was that made him believe that they could be productive if he took the time to develop them. For whatever reason he didnt have that same belief in Rob. For all we know the Saints saw something Dallas didnt and he could end up being a very good player.

Its hard to argue with BP wanting to keep Fabini around given what transpired the previous year. That left McQuistan or Petitti as the odd man out.That's pretty much how I look things... Couldn't keep both. Especially since at the beginning of the season, due to Parcells keeping two kickers and three WR projects, there was a serious numbers crunch.

Personally, I wish Rob the best. If guys like Tyson Walters can still catch on in the league, then I know Rob should be able to hang on for awhile.

[theebs]

That is what I just said, Lehr was too small and Al Johnson came back from injury.

It is all speculation, but I dont think it is unreasonable to say that Petitti would play better than 2005 with Romo as his quarterback.

I mean, his performance in 2005 was dreadful, even with Witten helping, so there was only one way to go, Up!!!

Where is the guy on here who has a sig of a Moat, a Fence and 11 Blockers helping to protect Drew Bledsoe when you need him :D .

- Mike G.

lehr was cut because of off the field issues. Parcells didnt like him personally, lehrs roomate owned a strip club and parcells knew lehr hung out there, he didnt want that element on the team. He got into an argument with him over it and parcells let him go. Lehr said as much. Lehr is better suited to a zone blocking scheme like denver or atlanta, just like al johnson who will not be back next year.

[Alexander]

He's riding them bench.

Not just that, I don't even believe he has been dressing.

Zach Streif is getting to play as their third tackle.

Sad, considering so many people thought he was some sort of solution and invested so much emotional capital on him around here.

[Alexander]

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.

Just curious, so you are stating that Sparano didn't get him the coaching he needed?

[Heisenberg]

Don't bother yourself with the morons.



He's in the NFL. 99.99% of everyone here would give almost anything to be living that dream.

It's jealousy, pure and simple, plus thanks to 2 seasons of full salary and that huge playing time bonus from last year, he's already made more money that a lot of idiots will make in their lifetime.

What horrible logic. Horrible. :rolleyes:

[silver]

Me thinks BP couldn't afford to keep both Pat McQ and Petitti since they have little experience which is somethings he values a lot (see Vinny T, Keith Byars, Pepper Johnson and Everson Walls for reference). Fabini provides just that. And the proof is the pudding: Fabini had one of the worst offseasons of any player in the 53 man roster and yet he made the team.

I also believe they front office didn't want to cut Fabini after all of the other free agents were looking so dire: Boiman, Vandershunk, TO, Ayodele and Fabini. Had they cut Fabini only TO & Ayodele would remain now from the offseason haul of free agents. Don't underestimate Jerry's ego in all these descisions as a GM. The media would've been all over him.

[theebs]

Just curious, so you are stating that Sparano didn't get him the coaching he needed?


I think he is dogging parcells, that seems to be a backdrop to his posts.

I would be mad too but blaming the coaching is wrong imo. I think it was just a matter of timing and opportunity.

I wish rob the best, I think he can be a good tackle in a power running game someday. It takes time for lineman to develop, no shame in it.

many hall of famers have been cut in the preseason, look at steve largent. Bum Phillips cut him because of timing and opportunity.

Or closer to home Dallas cut Brian waters who played in their backyard at UNT in 2000, campo thought he couldnt play at tight end or on the line.
Waters is now one of the best left guards in the league in KC and one of the main reasons kc runs the ball so well.

Things happen for a reason.

[pittdawg]

Just curious, so you are stating that Sparano didn't get him the coaching he needed?

i think it's obvious what i'm saying. it's also obvious that i'm speaking to rob's situation only, although i believe it effected others also, my opinion.

[Chocolate Lab]

So he's getting better coaching yet playing less in New Orleans?

That says a lot about our tackles last year, doesn't it.

I think it's cool that a player's dad posted here, but it doesn't make that player a better football player than he was. Colombo is better now, Fabini is better veteran insurance, and McQuistan is a much better long-term prospect. There's no more to it than that.

[silver]

I still believe Petitti would have made a better guard ala Kevin Gogan. When Rivera retires we will be searching for a capable replacement.

[Alexander]

Me thinks BP couldn't afford to keep both Pat McQ and Petitti since they have little experience which is somethings he values a lot (see Vinny T, Keith Byars, Pepper Johnson and Everson Walls for reference). Fabini provides just that. And the proof is the pudding: Fabini had one of the worst offseasons of any player in the 53 man roster and yet he made the team.

That is conjecture however. We got training camp reports from observers. I do not recall anything from the staff that indicated as gloomy a picture as what these amateurs reported.

The implication that favoritism prompted Coach Parcells to keep the lesser player is a tired and boring contention that just doesn't hold water.

I fail to quite understand the implication that maybe we made a mistake with keeping Fabini over Petitti. He is a better option as a veteran backup. We did not want to go with what we saw from Petitti last year if Colombo either didn't work out or someone got hurt. McQuistan showed enough to be the developmental candidate. If anyone pushed Petitti off the roster, it was him (and this was stated explicitly). We did not have room for two developing players and despite what everyone thinks, that is what Petitti still is. What he is doing in New Orleans is proof of that. He is getting more conditioning and development. He is not ready to be a starter and by the looks of things a third tackle either.

I also believe they front office didn't want to cut Fabini after all of the other free agents were looking so dire: Boiman, Vandershunk, TO, Ayodele and Fabini. Had they cut Fabini only TO & Ayodele would remain now from the offseason haul of free agents. Don't underestimate Jerry's ego in all these descisions as a GM. The media would've been all over him.

Again with the politics, but I strongly doubt it. We have had no problems cutting our losses. Vanderjagt proved it. PR is an ignorant way to handle your roster and if this is true, I hope Jerry Jones resigns tomorrow.

If Petitti was a better option than Fabini, he would still be here. If he was doing well with New Orleans, there would be more of a case for these conspiracy theories as to why he was cut.

[superpunk]

So he's getting better coaching yet playing less in New Orleans?

That says a lot about our tackles last year, doesn't it.

I think it's cool that a player's dad posted here, but it doesn't make that player a better football player than he was. Colombo is better now, Fabini is better veteran insurance, and McQuistan is a much better long-term prospect. There's no more to it than that.

this is obviously just your avatar talking.

and jealousy. Because you're not an NFL player. I'll be expecting you to bash every other member of the NFL soon. You're on notice.

[CrazyCowboy]

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.

i know rob stumbled badly at the end of last season, for more than one reason, but i noticed that this years sacks, without rob, were very similar to last year before bledsoe was cast aside and romo came in to save the season.

in any case i'm sure rob will be fine and playing again soon. good luck, it looks like you guys are firing on all cylinders now.

pittdawg, thanks for the "real update" and good luck to Rob!

[Alexander]

i think it's obvious what i'm saying. it's also obvious that i'm speaking to rob's situation only, although i believe it effected others also, my opinion.

Others? Like whom? Torrin Tucker?

[Alexander]

this is obviously just your avatar talking.

and jealousy. Because you're not an NFL player. I'll be expecting you to bash every other member of the NFL soon. You're on notice.
:laugh2:

[Alexander]

campo thought he couldnt play at tight end or on the line.

:mad:

You are a very evil person for throwing this back out there.

[silver]

Again with the politics, but I strongly doubt it. We have had no problems cutting our losses. Vanderjagt proved it. PR is an ignorant way to handle your roster and if this is true, I hope Jerry Jones resigns tomorrow.
At some point during TC there was talk about cutting each and all of our free agent aquisitions, all of them including TO and Ayodele. When Carpenter was moved inside there was also talk of him starting over Ayodele. When TO was missing time with his bum hammy there was talk as to when he would be gone. No mistery or conspiracy theories.

[Alexander]

At some point during TC there was talk about cutting each and all of our free agent aquisitions, all of them including TO and Ayodele. When Carpenter was moved inside there was also talk of him starting over Ayodele. When TO was missing time with his bum hammy there was talk as to when he would be gone. No mistery or conspiracy theories.

Talk amongst whom? The fans? Ayodele has never been in danger, but I guess everyone didn't see him making flashy plays and therefore assumed that he was a bad acquisition.

Like I said before, if Jerry Jones even thinks anything like this and wants to manage the team to what would make the fan on the street happy, then he should resign tomorrow and hand the keys over to someone who has the intellect to make smart decisions.

I don't think he manages the team that way. Because if the fan on the street had their way, Coach Parcells would have been fired earlier this season, Owens would be cut (or never even signed in the first place) and we would have developmental sixth round draft choices starting at right tackle.

[Kittymama]

fair enough, i only posted to inform all what rob is doing. since rob remains close friends with many present cowboys, i would never wish bad luck on them, however, i can't say the same for one coach in particular. i wish you luck, but being a giant fan it wouldn't bother me in the least if the cowboys faltered down the stretch.
I'm glad to see you back & hope the best for Rob. However, I'll respectfully point out that the coach you're not fond of is the reason Rob even is in the NFL. He took on Rob & let him play all one season. It's questionable whether Rob would have gotten a similar shot with another team. He also got the exposure to Payton which resulted in Rob now being with another team, whereas he could well be out of football forever. You may not like him, but having had Bill Parcells as a HC is something pretty good on a player's resume. The fact that he's not playing in NO may also mean that he's not where he should be, & perhaps another reason he was released. All players develop at their own speed, & Rob may well develop into a terrific player. I hope he's able to follow his dream & play in the NFL for many years. Yes, I'm a homer, but I do think Parcells is a big reason Rob has had the dream this far. Two years in the NFL (so far) is two more than many people ever get.

[StanleySpadowski]

So I am guessing that the fact that he gave up the most Sacks at his position in the NFL last year had nothing to do with it?

Not trying to bash because I have been defending the guy in this thread but passing the criticism off as jealousy is a bit odd.


It's perfectly logical when you search this site for "Where's Torrin Tucker?" threads.

He was worse last season but the ignorant tools don't attack him because his father never openly posted here. Some single-digit IQ posters hated the fact that someone had an "in" with the Cowboys that they could never even dream of having and it showed with some of the BS posts over the last year and a half.

[Heisenberg]

It's perfectly logical when you search this site for "Where's Torrin Tucker?" threads.

He was worse last season but the ignorant tools don't attack him because his father never openly posted here. Some single-digit IQ posters hated the fact that someone had an "in" with the Cowboys that they could never even dream of having and it showed with some of the BS posts over the last year and a half.

That's not true. The reason no one ever posts a "Where's Torrin Tucker?" thread is because he wasn't a rookie with upside last year. He was a veteran player who was just bad. He also isn't playing for the team that we play against this week.

[Zimmy Lives]

It's perfectly logical when you search this site for "Where's Torrin Tucker?" threads.

He was worse last season but the ignorant tools don't attack him because his father never openly posted here. Some single-digit IQ posters hated the fact that someone had an "in" with the Cowboys that they could never even dream of having and it showed with some of the BS posts over the last year and a half.

The reason you don't see TT threads is because nobody, including fans, expected him to be much of anything other than a warm body. Petitti, at least, showed promise in college and was competive in camp.

[superpunk]

It's perfectly logical when you search this site for "Where's Torrin Tucker?" threads.

Guess that has nothing to do with us playing the Saints this week.

[burmafrd]

It does seem that Pittdawg is blaming BP; though it could be the line coach.
I think BP had a hard choice to make since we had to keep 2 kickers and some extra WR's. If not for that I think Rob is still with us. McQ looked very promising for LT, so we could not let him go. Columbo was looking good at RT, and Fabini had a lot of experience. I think Fabini was going to stick around as insurance unless he truly absolutely stank. Therefore it came down to Columbo vs Petitti; and Columbo looked better. Petitti was not eligible for the practice squad so that pretty much sealed his fate. Switiching him to guard may be something NO might do as well. I think BP would have kept Rob if he could have- but due to needs in other positions he could not keep 5 tackles on the roster.

[StanleySpadowski]

The reason you don't see TT threads is because nobody, including fans, expected him to be much of anything other than a warm body. Petitti, at least, showed promise in college and was competive in camp.


That's selective memory at its best.

Tucker was probably more heralded coming out of college, rated as high as the #3 guard prospect by some sites, and many, many people proclaimed him to be one of the best UDFA "steals" ever. Read some of the hype that surrounded him by searching the archives.

[ThreeSportStar80]

So he's getting better coaching yet playing less in New Orleans?

That says a lot about our tackles last year, doesn't it.

I think it's cool that a player's dad posted here, but it doesn't make that player a better football player than he was. Colombo is better now, Fabini is better veteran insurance, and McQuistan is a much better long-term prospect. There's no more to it than that.

Agreed! Colombo is the starting right tackle for years to come and it isn't close after him. Every game the guy is getting better, pretty amazing how people forgot he was a 1ST ROUND pick! No offense to Petiti but the guy doesn't have good footwork or lateral movement....

[Alexander]

That's selective memory at its best.

Tucker was probably more heralded coming out of college, rated as high as the #3 guard prospect by some sites, and many, many people proclaimed him to be one of the best UDFA "steals" ever. Read some of the hype that surrounded him by searching the archives.

And Petitti was once considered a second round draft choice before he got out of shape his senior year. What is your point?

[Alexander]

I'm glad to see you back & hope the best for Rob. However, I'll respectfully point out that the coach you're not fond of is the reason Rob even is in the NFL. He took on Rob & let him play all one season. It's questionable whether Rob would have gotten a similar shot with another team. He also got the exposure to Payton which resulted in Rob now being with another team, whereas he could well be out of football forever. You may not like him, but having had Bill Parcells as a HC is something pretty good on a player's resume. The fact that he's not playing in NO may also mean that he's not where he should be, & perhaps another reason he was released. All players develop at their own speed, & Rob may well develop into a terrific player. I hope he's able to follow his dream & play in the NFL for many years. Yes, I'm a homer, but I do think Parcells is a big reason Rob has had the dream this far. Two years in the NFL (so far) is two more than many people ever get.

It reeks of sour grapes. I distinctly recall a lot of respect towards Coach Parcells when Petitti was starting, but when he was cut it turned catty? I don't quit understand that.

[zrinkill]

Some single-digit IQ posters




http://www.jcnot4me.com/images/pot_calls_kettle_black.bmp

[BARRYRAY]

Look I can see both sides here, but the fact is that our o-line shows up this year, in fact most of the wiffs lately that I can see are from the TE position, neither of them can block worth beans. Good to hear from Pittdawg. No one is a failure that makes a 53 man roster in the NFL, do you guys know how many people would give their left one just for one day or one game. Its true he may not be playing but man he's in the NFL, he's made two seasons almost. The thing that gets me about the Saints is how they looked absolutely abysmal in preeason and after they got all our cast off linebackers they got so much better. What really bugs me is that they didn't move to San Antonio. I spent some time on the riverwalk last fall with a lot of Saints fans who were Katrina people, they have class, are alot of fun to be around.the good news is we would have had blackout issues that we don't have in Austin now..

[pittdawg]

It reeks of sour grapes. I distinctly recall a lot of respect towards Coach Parcells when Petitti was starting, but when he was cut it turned catty? I don't quit understand that.

you appear to be too smart to act so dumb. obviously i'm refering to things said, then not honored. i have direct knowledge of these things so i would expect the benefit of the doubt but i guess i can't get that. i never said that rob was better than anyone. i just have a problem when an assurance is made than broken and the hc can't even face the player who gave over and above while playing hurt for this team. if that is sour grapes, so be it.

[Chocolate Lab]

you appear to be too smart to act so dumb. obviously i'm refering to things said, then not honored. i have direct knowledge of these things so i would expect the benefit of the doubt but i guess i can't get that. i never said that rob was better than anyone. i just have a problem when an assurance is made than broken and the hc can't even face the player who gave over and above while playing hurt for this team.On points like that, I agree with you 100%, Pittdawg. Assuming you are talking about Parcells, I think things like not informing vets they will be inactive other than by letting them find an empty locker is very bush league. Maybe not material to the product put on the field, but still bush league.

[AmadeoV]

Its true he may not be playing but man he's in the NFL, he's made two seasons almost.

The Saints picked up Pettitti for depth and to develop him for the future. Why not take a flyer on a guy who has starting experience in the NFL and has shown at least some flashes during his playing time? Jon Stinchcomb has started all year for the Saints after missing all of the 2005 season with a patellar tendon injury in what many Saints fans think is quite a nice surprise.

The thing that gets me about the Saints is how they looked absolutely abysmal in preeason and after they got all our cast off linebackers they got so much better.

I agree, the Saints didn't exactly look strong against the Cowboys in the preseason, but the preseason was just that. Those "cast off" linebackers that the Saints are playing (Fujita, Simoneau, Shanle) have played relatively well all year (Fujita is really playing at a Pro Bowl level - 77 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 2 INTs, 6 passes defensed) took a little bit of time to get things together, especially since two of them were picked up DURING THE PRESEASON.

Furthermore, are the two teams really the same since the preseason? I believe Brees has come on very well, Deuce's running has improved, and Bush is now running with both authority and speed.

... and, um, don't the Cowboys have a different starting QB? I think I heard something about it on the television... every 30 seconds. Obviously, every team changes from the preseason to the regular season. Oakland was 4-1, after all.

What really bugs me is that they didn't move to San Antonio. I spent some time on the riverwalk last fall with a lot of Saints fans who were Katrina people, they have class, are alot of fun to be around.the good news is we would have had blackout issues that we don't have in Austin now..

ARE YOU SERIOUS? It "bugs you" that the Saints didn't move to San Antonio? You would take away a team away from a city that has sold out the entire season for the FIRST TIME ever?!? That has shown amazing support? That has fans that LIVE AND DIE WITH THEIR TEAM?!?!?!? ... and give that team to SAN ANTONIO?

Perhaps you should consider thinking about what you type before you type it, sir.

[SultanOfSix]

you appear to be too smart to act so dumb. obviously i'm refering to things said, then not honored. i have direct knowledge of these things so i would expect the benefit of the doubt but i guess i can't get that. i never said that rob was better than anyone. i just have a problem when an assurance is made than broken and the hc can't even face the player who gave over and above while playing hurt for this team. if that is sour grapes, so be it.

Well, you can or you can't depending upon who you ask. But, if you can't, it's also fair to assume why you can't is because people only have one side of the story - yours - and they don't even really have that. Just suggested innuendo that someone (your son) was wronged in some way that was unreasonable according to a justification that isn't out in the open.

[Alexander]

you appear to be too smart to act so dumb. obviously i'm refering to things said, then not honored. i have direct knowledge of these things so i would expect the benefit of the doubt but i guess i can't get that. i never said that rob was better than anyone. i just have a problem when an assurance is made than broken and the hc can't even face the player who gave over and above while playing hurt for this team. if that is sour grapes, so be it.

You hear all the time that people believe they were promised or entitled to something and yet were shocked and amazed when it didn't work out. I have told people things that I "hoped" would work out, yet when they did not, they recalled me making some sort of promise. I have had bosses of mine do that. And after I had time to reflect, I didn't carry the initial bitterness forward while at the same time understanding the nature of the business. It is just like being told you are in line for a promotion, and getting passed over. Eventually, there is usually a logical reason and much less of the emotional baggage you initially thought of. The idea is to learn from it and not act petulant. If you do, then it does sound like nothing was learned and it does reek of sour grapes.

If you would care to divulge more information, it might help understand the ill will.

[yesfan]

from the
12/5 Jerry Jones Show




Marc Colombo has not given up a sack this season. He is getting better and uses his hands very well. He has an Erik Williams nasty attitude. He gets his hands on them and they are neutralized. We struggled there for the last few years and things did not work out when we did not do a good job in the draft or free agency. You have to pay usually to get there. It is good to have him and we are fortunate.

[AbeBeta]

from the
12/5 Jerry Jones Show

Marc Colombo has not given up a sack this season.

A totally inaccurate statement.

[yesfan]

That's what Jerry said.I could be wrong,but i thought he gave
up one during the 1st Giant game.

[Cowboy4ever]

That's what Jerry said.I could be wrong,but i thought he gave
up one during the 1st Giant game.

No, not in the Giants game. Strahn got 2 sacks in that game, one was a blown assignment by Bledsoe, Per parcells, and other sack Strahn looped inside and should have been picked up by the Center or Guard. I can not remember exactly which gap Lavar shot on the safety, so that might be one.. but its hard to say because we don't know what the line protection calls were and what the assignments were for each player.

[Kilyin]

Marc Colombo has not given up a sack this season.

A totally inaccurate statement.

Parcells also praised right tackle Marc Colombo, saying that he hasn't given up a sack over the last nine games. "That was a position that some of you were worried about," he said.

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2006/11/_mosley_afternoon_report_holiday_edition.html

...abersonc gets owned, again.

[silver]

i'm sure if bledsoe was still starting that colombo's stats would look far worse than they are. not sure if that speaks volumes for romo. or that bledsoe, as someone else pointed out, is an offensive line killer. either way, romo sure is making colombo look good. i remember back in '93 when emmitt came back from the holdout, nate newton had this gem: "i'm a whole better guard when he's in there."

[Kilyin]

It's perfectly logical when you search this site for "Where's Torrin Tucker?" threads.

He was worse last season but the ignorant tools don't attack him because his father never openly posted here. Some single-digit IQ posters hated the fact that someone had an "in" with the Cowboys that they could never even dream of having and it showed with some of the BS posts over the last year and a half.

Actually, I'd have to disagree. Torrin Tucker and Rob Pettiti were both essentially turnstiles. Neither one would have started for another team last year, or this year. Sure, having Bledsoe behind center just amplified their flaws, but let's not sugarcoat anything, they both sucked.

[burmafrd]

Pittdawg, I think BP did the best that he could. But when crunch time came, he had to let Rob go. I am willing to wager heavily that he did not want to do it, but felt he had to for the betterment of the TEAM. Columbo has played very well this season- honestly I do NOT think that Rob could have played as well. We know BP wants vets as backups whenever possible, and Fabini is someone he knew well. When McQ showed so much promise as a future LT and BP knew he could not be put on the practice squad or he would lose him, then Rob was the odd man out. rob could not go on the practice squad. I am sure that BP would have kept him if he could. But needing two kickers and with the whole WR thing at that time, it just was not possible. Blaming BP for what happened is just plain wrong. He had to make a tough decision. I think he did the right thing for the TEAM- and that must ALWAYS be his first priority. If you cannot understand that, then you will always be mad at Head Coaches.

[Alexander]

A totally inaccurate statement.

Teams grade their own players differently than STATS, Inc. as they know who was assigned to do what on each play (amazingly enough even STATS has him with no sacks--what fools!).

But please, continue to pretend you know more than the Owner and GM.

[StanleySpadowski]

Actually, I'd have to disagree. Torrin Tucker and Rob Pettiti were both essentially turnstiles. Neither one would have started for another team last year, or this year. Sure, having Bledsoe behind center just amplified their flaws, but let's not sugarcoat anything, they both sucked.

I won't really argue the abilities or lack thereof of either. That's really not my point, but Tucker was statistically worse last year by a slight margin.

[burmafrd]

I always gave Petitti more credit, as a rookie playing a different position and not in the greatest of shape, and injured late in the year. He gave all he had and did the very best he could. I think that is why pittdawg is bitter; his son put it all out there and then in his mind was basically thrown out with the trash the next year. To me that is not what happened- it was the HARD reality of the NFL. If someone comes along that is better, you lose.

[Alexander]

I always gave Petitti more credit, as a rookie playing a different position and not in the greatest of shape, and injured late in the year. He gave all he had and did the very best he could. I think that is why pittdawg is bitter; his son put it all out there and then in his mind was basically thrown out with the trash the next year. To me that is not what happened- it was the HARD reality of the NFL. If someone comes along that is better, you lose.

How is getting waived at the final cuts "thrown out with the trash"?

And a little bit of news, Rob Petitti was not the first NFL player to play through pain, give it his best and lay it all on the line. And he won't be the last.

[burmafrd]

Alex, remember that Rob is his son. don't expect him to be able to accept it easily.

[Alexander]

Alex, remember that Rob is his son. don't expect him to be able to accept it easily.

I don't expect him to. But that isn't the point anyways.

To show up on a Cowboys messageboard and engage in character assassination of persons in the organization doesn't sit well for me, especially as it is a direct result of a situation that is not that much different than countless other players who have played this game and sacrificed their bodies.

I guess it is too bad their fathers do not all post on internet messageboards so we could all vicariously share in their embitterment.

[InmanRoshi]

It's perfectly logical when you search this site for "Where's Torrin Tucker?" threads.

He was worse last season but the ignorant tools don't attack him because his father never openly posted here. Some single-digit IQ posters hated the fact that someone had an "in" with the Cowboys that they could never even dream of having and it showed with some of the BS posts over the last year and a half.

Or perhaps there are no Torrin Tucker threads because its not really an issue or a story. It was a big issue when Pettiti was released "Oh noes !!! We've lost the season before we've even played a game !#!#@!" Maybe someone just posted to see if the "We'll rue the day we released Petitti" posters from September were right. Remember those? There weren't any of them with Tucker. Therefore he's not really a story.

And Rob recieved just a fraction of the abuse Tucker got. Rob only got it for one year, Tucker for three. Tucker was a well worn punching bag by the time he walked away.

[K-DOGG]

Evidently on the bench because Drew Brees is still standing and playing quite well!:laugh2:

[Zimmy Lives]

That's selective memory at its best.

Tucker was probably more heralded coming out of college, rated as high as the #3 guard prospect by some sites, and many, many people proclaimed him to be one of the best UDFA "steals" ever. Read some of the hype that surrounded him by searching the archives.

Show me three draft sites that heralded Torrin Tucker as first-round talent and I'll show you three sites that said he was wasted talent. My point is that Petitti at least came from a solid program and faced better competition and expectations may have been a little higher. Biggest competition Tucker ever faced in college was the buffet at the All-You-Can-Chew-4-$2.92 pizza place.

Anyway, this thread is really about a former Cowboys player on the next opponent's roster.

[MONT17]

Pitt dawg you have a point... Cowboy fans will never admit this team has OL problems that reflect on the HEAD COACH and his choice for OL coach! Most of us who watch the Boys can see this team has a problem Drafting and Developing young OL and your "sour grapes" is evident of that!


Where there is smoke there is fire but if Cowboy fans on this board wanna call it sour grapes let them... just know they are not the majority!!!


I wonder why other draft picks have not developed under this staff...

Jacob Rogers
Stephen Peterman
Torrin Tucker UDFA
Justin Bates
Al Johnson

[AbeBeta]

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2006/11/_mosley_afternoon_report_holiday_edition.html

...abersonc gets owned, again.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10242006/sports/giants/strahan_gets_even_with_lt_giants_paul_schwartz.htm

From the article: With 11:38 left in the second quarter, Strahan pulled even with LT, cutting inside right tackle Marc Columbo to sack Bledsoe for a six-yard loss.

Darren Howard had 2 sacks in the Philly game going up against Columbo for most of the game.

I think the difference here is "sacks that Columbo was to blame for" vs. "sacks that the team puts on Drew for not getting rid of the ball"

But if it gives Kilyin a chance to be an butthole then that's great too.

[braw]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10242006/sports/giants/strahan_gets_even_with_lt_giants_paul_schwartz.htm

From the article: With 11:38 left in the second quarter, Strahan pulled even with LT, cutting inside right tackle Marc Columbo to sack Bledsoe for a six-yard loss.

Darren Howard had 2 sacks in the Philly game going up against Columbo for most of the game.

I think the difference here is "sacks that Columbo was to blame for" vs. "sacks that the team puts on Drew for not getting rid of the ball"

But if it gives Kilyin a chance to be an butthole then that's great too.

I guess you did not see R.W.Mcquarters come from the right side untouched and Romo still made the 3rd down completion...If he is sacked you blame Columbo?.....

Thats what happened with strahan he was the responsibility of the QB. The second sack by Strahan was a stunt(cross) and should have been picked up by guard or center.

[NoDak Cowboy]

Interesting that this guy doesn't post for nearly two months, then just moments after his "son" is mentioned, here he is.

Coincidence?

[AbeBeta]

I guess you did not see R.W.Mcquarters come from the right side untouched and Romo still made the 3rd down completion...If he is sacked you blame Columbo?.....


Usually blocking a DB isn't the OT's job.

But let's examine how many "if only sacks" our guys would have given up -- sacks that Romo saved them? Seems fair if we are going to pass sacks off on the QB for other plays.

[Bob Sacamano]

Get some class man. Rob came in as a rookie and held his own. Some players take time to develop. Rob will be just fine in time

no he didn't, allowing 15 sacks isn't holding it down, but after all, he was a 6th round pick

[Bob Sacamano]

fair enough, i only posted to inform all what rob is doing. since rob remains close friends with many present cowboys, i would never wish bad luck on them, however, i can't say the same for one coach in particular. i wish you luck, but being a giant fan it wouldn't bother me in the least if the cowboys faltered down the stretch.

who is the coach in question?

[Hostile]

Pittdawg, I think BP did the best that he could. But when crunch time came, he had to let Rob go. I am willing to wager heavily that he did not want to do it, but felt he had to for the betterment of the TEAM. Columbo has played very well this season- honestly I do NOT think that Rob could have played as well. We know BP wants vets as backups whenever possible, and Fabini is someone he knew well. When McQ showed so much promise as a future LT and BP knew he could not be put on the practice squad or he would lose him, then Rob was the odd man out. rob could not go on the practice squad. I am sure that BP would have kept him if he could. But needing two kickers and with the whole WR thing at that time, it just was not possible. Blaming BP for what happened is just plain wrong. He had to make a tough decision. I think he did the right thing for the TEAM- and that must ALWAYS be his first priority. If you cannot understand that, then you will always be mad at Head Coaches.That is not what I heard at all and I asked pittdawg about it in a PM this morning and he has the same story I heard.

[Hostile]

Interesting that this guy doesn't post for nearly two months, then just moments after his "son" is mentioned, here he is.

Coincidence?He's been around. He posted a few weeks ago in fact. He's never been antagonistic towards the fans here or Cowboys fan anywhere.

[cnhnyy]

Bledsore was sacked 18 times in 5.5 games he played this season (including sackless games against Texans and Titans) and he was on his way to another 49+ sack season. Please do not tell me this current OL were doing better with Bledsore.

Our OL still sucks. Romo has to run out of pocket every time after two seconds. How many sacks has Romo escaped in Giants game?

I am not saying Rob is better than anyone, but please refrain from taking shots at him. He/his dad is not asking us to recognize him being Orlando Pace. He was a good cowboy and gave all he can in his rookie year.

[Tuna Helper]

...he's already made more money that a lot of idiots will make in their lifetime.

Not this idiot! ;)

I know that for a fact.

[Dave_in-NC]

We are in the top of the NFL in total Offense. I don't think its all Romo.
Yes he helps big time but the other guys have lifted their game also.
Our O line while not great has turned out decent.

The same coaches, a few different players.........hmmmmm

[NoDak Cowboy]

He's been around. He posted a few weeks ago in fact. He's never been antagonistic towards the fans here or Cowboys fan anywhere.

His last post was Oct 24th, and that was the only one since Sept 3rd.

Just thought it was interesting that he popped in almost immediately after a question was posed concerning Rob Pettiti.

Especially considering he's an admitted Giants fan, who's son plays for the Saints. Just funny how he'd show up on a Cowboys board almost on cue.

Must just be the love of a good conspiracy theory in me.

[Tuna Helper]

Fact is that the kid should have sat and studied (with ample coaching) for a few years before being thrust into the starting job.

Even 1st round o-linemen struggle in their first year, and some beyond that. Some never get it.

I harbor no bad feelings towards him, and I wish him well in New Orleans.

[Hostile]

His last post was Oct 24th, and that was the only one since Sept 3rd.

Just thought it was interesting that he popped in almost immediately after a question was posed concerning Rob Pettiti.

Especially considering he's an admitted Giants fan, who's son plays for the Saints. Just funny how he'd show up on a Cowboys board almost on cue.

Must just be the love of a good conspiracy theory in me.Yeah, but he's visited the board almost every week. I've exchanged some PMs with him. He still likes the people here and enjoys Cowboys fans overall.

Lots of people who don't post here regularly read here all the time. I see plenty of people who bash this forum here every single day, or awfully close to it. So what? We're not a bad place to visit.

He was here this week before the thread popped up. I don't know why it's suprising that he'd reply in a thread about his son. I don't get why that's surprising at all.

[NoDak Cowboy]

Yeah, but he's visited the board almost every week. I've exchanged some PMs with him. He still likes the people here and enjoys Cowboys fans overall.

Lots of people who don't post here regularly read here all the time. I see plenty of people who bash this forum here every single day, or awfully close to it. So what? We're not a bad place to visit.

He was here this week before the thread popped up. I don't know why it's suprising that he'd reply in a thread about his son. I don't get why that's surprising at all.

Don't have to get defensive, Hos. I didn't say anything about people bashing him or this forum.

Just made an observation that is was funny how he showed up to post almost immediately after Pettiti was mentioned, considering he is not an active member here anymore.

[bbgun]

Don't have to get defensive, Hos. I didn't say anything about people bashing him or this forum.

Just made an observation that is was funny how he showed up to post almost immediately after Pettiti was mentioned, considering he is not an active member here anymore.

The point is that he was a Cowboy fan of convenience and not owed any deference. Courtesy, yes, but not deference.

[Hostile]

Don't have to get defensive, Hos. I didn't say anything about people bashing him or this forum.

Just made an observation that is was funny how he showed up to post almost immediately after Pettiti was mentioned, considering he is not an active member here anymore.I promise you ND, I'm not getting defensive. I was just explaining. He's a very good guy who despite his son being waived and being a devout Giants fan doesn't hate the Cowboys.

I find that rare in a world where people hold grudges over the silliest of things. Here's a man who doesn't.

That's all.

I do consider him an active member here since he continues to read here. But that may be just me.

[Double Trouble]

I don't expect him to. But that isn't the point anyways.

To show up on a Cowboys messageboard and engage in character assassination of persons in the organization doesn't sit well for me, especially as it is a direct result of a situation that is not that much different than countless other players who have played this game and sacrificed their bodies.

I guess it is too bad their fathers do not all post on internet messageboards so we could all vicariously share in their embitterment.
You're 100% right here.

[Heisenberg]

I don't expect him to. But that isn't the point anyways.

To show up on a Cowboys messageboard and engage in character assassination of persons in the organization doesn't sit well for me, especially as it is a direct result of a situation that is not that much different than countless other players who have played this game and sacrificed their bodies.

I guess it is too bad their fathers do not all post on internet messageboards so we could all vicariously share in their embitterment.

That basically sums up my feelings on the subject. I just can't say it as well as you do. :D

[Tuna Helper]

Yeah, but he's visited the board almost every week. I've exchanged some PMs with him. He still likes the people here and enjoys Cowboys fans overall.

Lots of people who don't post here regularly read here all the time. I see plenty of people who bash this forum here every single day, or awfully close to it. So what? We're not a bad place to visit.

He was here this week before the thread popped up. I don't know why it's suprising that he'd reply in a thread about his son. I don't get why that's surprising at all.

Good points. There are times when I lurk here and don't post as often. Nothing wrong with that. I assume that we aren't required to make a token post to show our presence.

I for one enjoy this forum and come here for Cowboys news, and news about our opponents...and the different perspectives on our team. I tried another forum for awhile that is run by some folks that we all know well. ;) It didn't work for me. They were too stiff for me, and there was less activity there.

Hats off to Reality and the mods. This is a great forum!

[AbeBeta]

Damn folks. If you had a kid who played on the team wouldn't you pay some attention to what folks were saying about him -- especially after being an active -- and very much appreciated -- poster here?

Yes, he comes in and defends his kid. Is that wrong?

[Hostile]

Good points. There are times when I lurk here and don't post as often. Nothing wrong with that. I assume that we aren't required to make a token post to show our presence.

I for one enjoy this forum and come here for Cowboys news, and news about our opponents...and the different perspectives on our team. I tried another forum for awhile that is run by some folks that we all know well. ;) It didn't work for me. They were too stiff for me, and there was less activity there.

Hats off to Reality and the mods. This is a great forum!Hey thanks TH.

I miss a lot of those guys. They don't miss me though. :D

Their choice. They know they can come back here at any time. Even the most hateful towards us.

[theebs]

i believe way back when pittdawg said he would check in when we played the saints.
no harm in that.

[snapper]

Hey thanks TH.

I miss a lot of those guys. They don't miss me though. :D

Their choice. They know they can come back here at any time. Even the most hateful towards us.

I miss you too Hos ;), but I'm one of Jerry's kids. I do drop in, though, from time to time to see what kind of trouble you, that flea-bitten mongrel JR, and the visually-impaired, bi-colored equine are getting in to. It's good to know you haven't forgotten your old friends from detox. :D

[AmadeoV]

Show me three draft sites that heralded Torrin Tucker as first-round talent and I'll show you three sites that said he was wasted talent.

Well, considering that there isn't ONE site in the world that would've said that Torrin Tucker was "first-round talent", that would be impossible. I think the point in question here is whether the coaches were able to groom him and improve him (which, seemingly, they weren't).

[Ben_n_austin]

Does Pittdawg still post here anymore?

If so, tell Rob that we're going to own him worse than he used to get owned here in Dallas!

You don't know what that star's about, boy!!!

:starspin


:laugh2:

[Billy Bullocks]

Get some class man. Rob came in as a rookie and held his own. Some players take time to develop. Rob will be just fine in time


I appreciated Pitt Dawg for posting here, it was cool. But come on, you don't have to baby Pettiti just because his dad did/does post on here. Kid might turn out to be a player some time, but he obviously isn't there yet. You scared to say it cuz Pittdawg might get mad?

[neosapien23]

I appreciated Pitt Dawg for posting here, it was cool. But come on, you don't have to baby Pettiti just because his dad did/does post on here. Kid might turn out to be a player some time, but he obviously isn't there yet. You scared to say it cuz Pittdawg might get mad?


Your absolutely right, but don't you get tired of everyone calling a spade a spade when Carpenter is on the bench. Either he is a bust or the 3 year rule should have been applied to pettitti as well. I'm tired of everyone making exuses for Carpenter who was expected to start. There is a reason Ellis was moved in the first place. Carpenter is not going to be a starter. I will eat crow later if proven wrong.

[CowboyChris]

fair enough, i only posted to inform all what rob is doing. since rob remains close friends with many present cowboys, i would never wish bad luck on them, however, i can't say the same for one coach in particular. i wish you luck, but being a giant fan it wouldn't bother me in the least if the cowboys faltered down the stretch.


that comment there IRKS me, so you know what you and your son can do. as far as im concerned........ you and your son should be thankful that he played for the Cowboys, which is probably the only reason why he is still in the NFL, Sean Payton knew the player and decided to continue to develop him. otherwise he would probably be working at a home depot or something like that. :starspin

[Ben_n_austin]

that comment there IRKS me, so you know what you and your son can do. as far as im concerned........ you and your son should be thankful that he played for the Cowboys, which is probably the only reason why he is still in the NFL, Sean Payton knew the player and decided to continue to develop him. otherwise he would probably be working at a home depot or something like that. :starspin


Eactly, I never understood what was so great about Petittie. He was the weak link of the line last year, by FAR!

Who cares if his dad stumbled across this board and bumbled out a few posts here and there. That's the only reason he ever got any props as a player.

This is a Cowboys board. And WE SHALL NOT FAULTER!!!


:chopchop: :saints:

[Seven]

that comment there IRKS me, so you know what you and your son can do. as far as im concerned........ you and your son should be thankful that he played for the Cowboys, which is probably the only reason why he is still in the NFL, Sean Payton knew the player and decided to continue to develop him. otherwise he would probably be working at a home depot or something like that. :starspin

Easy Tiger. He's a Giants fan. What's wrong with that? You can't tell me you don't enjoy seeing the Giants lose. Does it bother you cause he freely admits as such? Hell, kudos to him for flying his flag especially after a loss to us AND on our cowboys message board. The Cowboys aren't the sole reason he's still employed. Last I checked Payton is a pretty good coach and obviously see's something in Rob that you, I and the rest of the arm chair coaches do not.
Man, sometimes loyality knows no bounds. Lighten up.

[Paniolo22]

That is not what I heard at all and I asked pittdawg about it in a PM this morning and he has the same story I heard.

If you and Pittdawg would enlighten us, it probably would clear a lot of this up.

[CowboyChris]

If you and Pittdawg would enlighten us, it probably would clear a lot of this up.

dont you think he wouldve already done it by now??

[Bob Dole]

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.

i know rob stumbled badly at the end of last season, for more than one reason, but i noticed that this years sacks, without rob, were very similar to last year before bledsoe was cast aside and romo came in to save the season.

in any case i'm sure rob will be fine and playing again soon. good luck, it looks like you guys are firing on all cylinders now.

LOL get the frig outta here with that crap.. come here and disrespect the Cowboys coaches. Hey, this line is 8-4 and kicking butt while Pittdawg Jr is carving his name into the bench.

Then you say you wouldnt care if the Cowboys falter down the stretch? :laugh2:

Please.

[burmafrd]

Hos, you keep saying you heard something different but then you refuse to give details. Spit it out. Good or bad, spit it out.

[Hostile]

I miss you too Hos ;), but I'm one of Jerry's kids. I do drop in, though, from time to time to see what kind of trouble you, that flea-bitten mongrel JR, and the visually-impaired, bi-colored equine are getting in to. It's good to know you haven't forgotten your old friends from detox. :DHoly crap snapper, where the hell have you been hiding? Nice to see you. The team's in an amazing run, a cat like you ought to be posting a lot more. I hope you will.

[Hostile]

If you and Pittdawg would enlighten us, it probably would clear a lot of this up.

dont you think he wouldve already done it by now??

Hos, you keep saying you heard something different but then you refuse to give details. Spit it out. Good or bad, spit it out.Fair enough.

I was told that on the final roster cutdowns that the entire coaching staff preferred Petitti over Fabini. Upside and youth. Parcells vetoed that decision. He wanted Fabini.

I have no explanation why. I have not dwelt on it at all, because I know it stirs up the hornets.

Yesterday morning in a PM I asked Rob's father a question about the "one coach" comment he made. I asked him if he meant Sparano or Parcells. In my mind it could have been either. I did not like Sparano's blocking schemes last year. Still not crazy about them, but the results cannot be denied. I asked about Parcells because of what I had heard. In our discussions he mentioned what I just said above without me prompting him. In other words, he heard the same thing.

I highly doubt he heard it from the same source I did. I don't know what the "up in arms" crowd will do with the information, but there it is.

[pittdawg]

Fair enough.

I was told that on the final roster cutdowns that the entire coaching staff preferred Petitti over Fabini. Upside and youth. Parcells vetoed that decision. He wanted Fabini.

I have no explanation why. I have not dwelt on it at all, because I know it stirs up the hornets.

Yesterday morning in a PM I asked Rob's father a question about the "one coach" comment he made. I asked him if he meant Sparano or Parcells. In my mind it could have been either. I did not like Sparano's blocking schemes last year. Still not crazy about them, but the results cannot be denied. I asked about Parcells because of what I had heard. In our discussions he mentioned what I just said above without me prompting him. In other words, he heard the same thing.

I highly doubt he heard it from the same source I did. I don't know what the "up in arms" crowd will do with the information, but there it is.

thanks for attempting to put some fact behind my feelings. some here appear skeptical or disbelieving of what actually happens to players behind the scenes. i don't need to defend rob nor myself for retorting to posters who i believe are overly critical of rob. rob was thrown into a situation to cover the gross miscalculation of the coaching staff as to the abilities of other players on the roster. rob never played RT nor was he in nfl shape, yet he played through numerous injuries for what he thought was the good of the team. through eleven games, rob had given up 7 sacks. after suffering a concussion and a severe high ankle sprain, julius jones 5 weeks, in the detroit game, rob's play begain to spiral down surrendering 6 1/2 sacks the final 5 games. my problem is that with a severe injury and a rookie reaching the wall he should not even been playing. the team had made no contingent plan for this having used a roster spot for the future in columbo. that move payed off well for this year , but left the team without a real option at either tackle last year.

well that's history and neither rob nor me is crying over spilt milk. rob is comfortable in NO, liking both the team and city. NO is playing extremely well as is their offensive line. the coaches have identified the technique problems rob had, but unlike in dallas have found a way to correct them. if this is a knock on dallas coaches, so be it. i view this a a simple statement of fact.

thanks for all that have supported my son and read my posts with interest. i appologize for nothing regarding my feelings toward my son nor the posting of things i know to be true. i have no need to post here nor do i think that by posting does anything change. i have a clear understanding of both the opportunity given and then taken away from rob in dallas, posting here only to give an inside point of view.

[Hostile]

thanks for attempting to put some fact behind my feelings. some here appear skeptical or disbelieving of what actually happens to players behind the scenes. i don't need to defend rob nor myself for retorting to posters who i believe are overly critical of rob. rob was thrown into a situation to cover the gross miscalculation of the coaching staff as to the abilities of other players on the roster. rob never played RT nor was he in nfl shape, yet he played through numerous injuries for what he thought was the good of the team. through eleven games, rob had given up 7 sacks. after suffering a concussion and a severe high ankle sprain, julius jones 5 weeks, in the detroit game, rob's play begain to spiral down surrendering 6 1/2 sacks the final 5 games. my problem is that with a severe injury and a rookie reaching the wall he should not even been playing. the team had made no contingent plan for this having used a roster spot for the future in columbo. that move payed off well for this year , but left the team without a real option at either tackle last year.

well that's history and neither rob nor me is crying over spilt milk. rob is comfortable in NO, liking both the team and city. NO is playing extremely well as is their offensive line. the coaches have identified the technique problems rob had, but unlike in dallas have found a way to correct them. if this is a knock on dallas coaches, so be it. i view this a a simple statement of fact.

thanks for all that have supported my son and read my posts with interest. i appologize for nothing regarding my feelings toward my son nor the posting of things i know to be true. i have no need to post here nor do i think that by posting does anything change. i have a clear understanding of both the opportunity given and then taken away from rob in dallas, posting here only to give an inside point of view.No problem at all.

Look, the strange nature of sports fans is that they feel that they can say anything critical about a member of the organization they root for. But if you are outside that fandom, don't you dare.

Personally, I have never understood this.

Troy Aikman is a Hall of Famer from this organization who led us to 3 Super Bowls. There is a contigent of fans here who believe he hates the team and goes out of his way to bash them. This belief can arise simply from harmless comments about something on the other team not being a valid penalty. If Troy disagrees with a flag that benefits Dallas, it's proof of his hatred. I don't get it, and I don't want to get it.

I have seen fans on this forum say far harsher things than the media talking heads do. Even harsher than the evil empire ESPN. That's not hatred in their eyes. That's just telling it like it is. Yet it's the exact same act. The comments could be verbatim, and anyone sitting outside the fandom will be viewed more harshly. Troy Aikman isn't even outside the fandom, but because it's his job, he's a hater.

It's ridiculous. It works that way all over the world though. I've seen kids say horrible things to their Mothers, but if I walked up to the same woman and said exactly what they said, that same rude kid would want to fight me. It's a strange belief that only those close to the relationship can have the privilege of abusing that relationship.

Not worth your stomach acid to worry about it. Those who were critical of what you said will say far worse and excuse it. Book it.

Oh, and post here any time you damn well please.

[cnhnyy]

The simple fact is that Bledsore was on his way to a 54-sack season before being benched. (He was sacked 49 time last year). The OL improved... thanks to Romo, not because we got rid of Rob.

[AbeBeta]

Thanks to Pittdawg and Hos -- this is an outstanding thread (at least your contributions)

[zrinkill]

LOL get the frig outta here with that crap.. come here and disrespect the Cowboys coaches. Hey, this line is 8-4 and kicking butt while Pittdawg Jr is carving his name into the bench.

Then you say you wouldnt care if the Cowboys falter down the stretch? :laugh2:

Please.

The way him and his son have been disrespected on this thread by trolls like you ..... he should have said worse.

Now shutup before he tells Rob to turn you into that pancake that sits on that rabbits head.

[zrinkill]

Tell Rob many of us are still cheering for him Pittdawg ........ and please ignore the classless trolls on this thread.

[Jarv]

Tell Rob many of us are still cheering for him Pittdawg ........ and please ignore the classless trolls on this thread.

Here here...A rookie with injuries told to play RT when he was a LT all through College. Good luck to Rob, except when he plays us.

[Hostile]

Thanks to Pittdawg and Hos -- this is an outstanding thread (at least your contributions)Wow.

Thank you. I really appreciate that.

[silver]

Thanks to Pittdawg and Hos -- this is an outstanding thread (at least your contributions)

Coudn't agree more. thanks to both for the insight.

[Paniolo22]

Wow.

Thank you. I really appreciate that.

It does clear up a lot. If you've noticed by now, Parcells makes a bunch of decisions based on his gut feeling. Sometime I agree with it, other times I don't. I didn't agree that Fabini>Petitti, especially after pre season, but understood the experience difference. This isn't the first time Parcells has vetoed everyone, and it won't be the last. Fortunately, he seems to be on a roll with his gut feelings, so he definitely gets the benefit of a doubt.

[Hostile]

It does clear up a lot. If you've noticed by now, Parcells makes a bunch of decisions based on his gut feeling. Sometime I agree with it, other times I don't. I didn't agree that Fabini>Petitti, especially after pre season, but understood the experience difference. This isn't the first time Parcells has vetoed everyone, and it won't be the last. Fortunately, he seems to be on a roll with his gut feelings, so he definitely gets the benefit of a doubt.I don't disagree with this at all Hawaiin Cowboy.

I can understand Rob and Mr. Petitti feeling negative. The man did say he would "die before he let him fail." I think stuff like that is hard to ignore.

I haven't dwelt on his waiver, nor will I. I don't on any player who gets released. Just wanted to set the record straight as I understood it. I trust the source of my info. I am pretty sure that Pittdawg and Rob trust whomever told them the same thing.

He's a Saint, not a Cowboy, sort of the opposite of Rayfield Wright. But Pittdawg is welcome to post here if he wishes. I don't see anything wrong with that, but then I've never had issues with him being here like some have.

[snapper]

It does clear up a lot. If you've noticed by now, Parcells makes a bunch of decisions based on his gut feeling. Sometime I agree with it, other times I don't. I didn't agree that Fabini>Petitti, especially after pre season, but understood the experience difference. This isn't the first time Parcells has vetoed everyone, and it won't be the last. Fortunately, he seems to be on a roll with his gut feelings, so he definitely gets the benefit of a doubt.

I can't help but wonder that if Parcells didn't think he could make a serious run at the SB this year he might have been a little more patient with Petitti. Afterall, he kept guys like Singleton and Fabini and would have kept the safety from Houston, if not for his leagal issues, as well. It's unfortunate but I can understand the thought process even though I never agreed with it.

[Alexander]

It does clear up a lot. If you've noticed by now, Parcells makes a bunch of decisions based on his gut feeling. Sometime I agree with it, other times I don't. I didn't agree that Fabini>Petitti, especially after pre season, but understood the experience difference.

That is correct. I don't know about you, but apparently given this "information" Coach Parcells still made the correct decision.

He stated before, to some's chagrin, that he "knew what he had" with Petitti.

What does that mean? He generally says that when he is concerned about a little to no upside situation. He said it repeatedly about Kurt Vollers. And he too was released in a similar circumstance after he was injured last season instead of keeping him when we could have used him.

Honestly, I believe if Petitti had shown something he obviously didn't he would be here. All of this alleged favortism is probably a more calculated and thought through decision simply because nobody wanted Bledsoe to be protected in that fashion again. Like it or not, excuses or not, his performance was unacceptable. Fabini was a easier plug and play and no offense, we had an offensive coach who was not only coaching the OL, but was also the offensive running game coordinator. It may be a case of not having the time to spend teaching fundamentals to several players needing technique work.

Pass rush protection was at a premium with Bledsoe. A veteran option that could start and eliminate a source of worry was the motivation. Petitti's performance last year worried him. We had room for one developmental player. Obviously, McQuistan's upside was more intriguing and was a situation where we could not get him on the practice squad because other teams wanted him. Fabini's experience was the key here. I don't see why that is so difficult to understand.

Much like Terrence Copper, Petitti was caught in the wash because we kept players that we knew we would lose. But I don't hear Terrence complaining. He moved on to a better situation and is doing well. At any rate, this worked out for the best.

And if these allegations of not receiving "coaching" here are true, then perhaps the decision was right too. Obviously whatever we were doing, if anything wasn't sinking in. So maybe we needed to part ways. I know I don't miss the player and feel more secure in the fact we made the right decision based upon what has happened in New Orleans with this player.

[DLCassidy]

I hope Rob does well in New Orleans. I could easily see that happening.

Unfortunately it may well have been the inevitable difficulties Rob had as a rookie starter last year that caused Parcells to go with the more experienced Fabini this year as an insurance policy against another injury at tackle. That's not Rob's fault but more of the situation he was in on a team trying to win now.

And what may have capped that call was what Parcells saw as even greater potential from McQuistan, so the developmental component didn't matter to him as much. The NFL's a hard business. Anyway good to hear Rob's progressing well.

[Maikeru-sama]

I don't disagree with this at all Hawaiin Cowboy.

I can understand Rob and Mr. Petitti feeling negative. The man did say he would "die before he let him fail." I think stuff like that is hard to ignore.

I haven't dwelt on his waiver, nor will I. I don't on any player who gets released. Just wanted to set the record straight as I understood it. I trust the source of my info. I am pretty sure that Pittdawg and Rob trust whomever told them the same thing.

He's a Saint, not a Cowboy, sort of the opposite of Rayfield Wright. But Pittdawg is welcome to post here if he wishes. I don't see anything wrong with that, but then I've never had issues with him being here like some have.

This must have been in the offseason when I dont post as much.

That is pretty sad if that statement is true. We could use all the inside information we can, let alone this a forum for everyone.

- Mike G.

[Hostile]

That is correct. I don't know about you, but apparently given this "information" Coach Parcells still made the correct decision.

He stated before, to some's chagrin, that he "knew what he had" with Petitti.

What does that mean? He generally says that when he is concerned about a little to no upside situation. He said it repeatedly about Kurt Vollers. And he too was released in a similar circumstance after he was injured last season instead of keeping him when we could have used him.

Honestly, I believe if Petitti had shown something he obviously didn't he would be here. All of this alleged favortism is probably a more calculated and thought through decision simply because nobody wanted Bledsoe to be protected in that fashion again. Like it or not, excuses or not, his performance was unacceptable. Fabini was a easier plug and play and no offense, we had an offensive coach who was not only coaching the OL, but was also the offensive running game coordinator. It may be a case of not having the time to spend teaching fundamentals to several players needing technique work.

Pass rush protection was at a premium with Bledsoe. A veteran option that could start and eliminate a source of worry was the motivation. Petitti's performance last year worried him. We had room for one developmental player. Obviously, McQuistan's upside was more intriguing and was a situation where we could not get him on the practice squad because other teams wanted him. Fabini's experience was the key here. I don't see why that is so difficult to understand.

Much like Terrence Copper, Petitti was caught in the wash because we kept players that we knew we would lose. But I don't hear Terrence complaining. He moved on to a better situation and is doing well. At any rate, this worked out for the best.

And if these allegations of not receiving "coaching" here are true, then perhaps the decision was right too. Obviously whatever we were doing, if anything wasn't sinking in. So maybe we needed to part ways. I know I don't miss the player and feel more secure in the fact we made the right decision based upon what has happened in New Orleans with this player.Nice post.

I think of all the moves this team made in the off season, the one that has panned out the best has been Marc Columbo at RT. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm thrilled with his play there. I find it hard to continue to wonder about the grassy knolls of the past while this guy has played so well.

I wanted to set the record straight, but I do not want to go backwards. Petitti is a Saint. He's happy there. So be it. I hate giving up on a draft pick, but he's not the first, nor will he be the last we give up on.

To me Marc Columbo is the biggest success story outside of Tony Romo on this team. I don't think he even has competition. The only reason I put Romos success above his is because it is "out of nowhere."

[burmafrd]

So it came down to Fabini vs Petitti and BP went with the experience. No suprise there. I do wonder as has been speculated that BP felt we were going to take a big run this year and in that case the experience was more important. BUT I also think that without the 2 kickers mess and worry about the WR position BP might have kept both. When it came down to crunch time he went with the guy he felt more comfortable with. The FACT that Petitti is not active also has to really make you think. Odds are that he should not have been playing last year either- should have been in the weight room and practicing. But on the other hand would Peyton have wanted him if he had not played? Looks like Rob is in a good place now with time to learn and get better; with a team that looks like it has a future. Overall thats a pretty good deal.

[burmafrd]

What is clear is that it was never a case of Columbo vs Petitti- columbo clearly was better. So it seems that rob at best would have been inactive here even if he had been kept.

[Hostile]

This must have been in the offseason when I dont post as much.

That is pretty sad if that statement is true. We could use all the inside information we can, let alone this a forum for everyone.

- Mike G.It was mostly at other forums who hate that we had an inside source and decided to frequently insert their opinions here to stir up crap. Most of the long time posters appreciated the info and had no problems with pittdawg. A few did.

We made it worse by having a background here of Rob. I think that looked like we catered to them. Actually we were just trying to be nice. We've fallen behind on the backgrounds. I hope we'll catch up soon. But his is long gone as he is.

[Rack Bauer]

yes it's true that he has been inactive all season, but he is on the 53 man roster and he is benefitting from some pretty good line coaching, something he needed and didn't get last year.

i know rob stumbled badly at the end of last season, for more than one reason, but i noticed that this years sacks, without rob, were very similar to last year before bledsoe was cast aside and romo came in to save the season.

in any case i'm sure rob will be fine and playing again soon. good luck, it looks like you guys are firing on all cylinders now.

Bitter much?


I'm just glad he's not a cowboy anymore. One of the worst offensive linemen I've ever seen.

But at least he tried real hard.

[Hostile]

What is clear is that it was never a case of Columbo vs Petitti- columbo clearly was better. So it seems that rob at best would have been inactive here even if he had been kept.I think that is entirely true. If people see that as me bashing Rob, then they are off base. I haven't bashed Pat McQuistan or called him useless.

Best post of this thread Burm. Right on the money.

[Alexander]

What is clear is that it was never a case of Columbo vs Petitti- columbo clearly was better. So it seems that rob at best would have been inactive here even if he had been kept.

It might be insignificant, but Fabini has done well on special teams and also as an eligible TE. Now I do not know if Petitti was afforded that opportunity to win a job that route either, but it isn't like Fabini is inactive every game. He is playing. If Petitti was the player in McQuistan's role, he would be doing exactly what he is doing now, which is sitting and learning. He had to show more than Fabini. It is that simple. Colombo came out of nowhere and beat them both out. He was a surprise that changed a lot of things. Just like how Austin, Hoyte, Hurd and even Ellis impacted the shape of the roster.

Fact is, we had more depth, more competition and we had specific ideas what we wanted on the final roster.

[Hostile]

It might be insignificant, but Fabini has done well on special teams and also as an eligible TE. Now I do not know if Petitti was afforded that opportunity to win a job that route either, but it isn't like Fabini is inactive every game. He is playing. If Petitti was the player in McQuistan's role, he would be doing exactly what he is doing now, which is sitting and learning. He had to show more than Fabini. It is that simple. Colombo came out of nowhere and beat them both out. He was a surprise that changed a lot of things. Just like how Austin, Hoyte, Hurd and even Ellis impacted the shape of the roster.

Fact is, we had more depth, more competition and we had specific ideas what we wanted on the final roster.Again, good points.

I've criticized Parcells on some moves, but this roster and how they've contributed really can't be denied.

[ZeroClub]

Very cool thread.

pittdawg's analysis of last year is dead-on accurate:
rob was thrown into a situation to cover the gross miscalculation of the coaching staff as to the abilities of other players on the roster. rob never played RT nor was he in nfl shape, yet he played through numerous injuries for what he thought was the good of the team. through eleven games, rob had given up 7 sacks. after suffering a concussion and a severe high ankle sprain, julius jones 5 weeks, in the detroit game, rob's play begain to spiral down surrendering 6 1/2 sacks the final 5 games. my problem is that with a severe injury and a rookie reaching the wall he should not even been playing. the team had made no contingent plan for this having used a roster spot for the future in columbo. that move payed off well for this year , but left the team without a real option at either tackle last year.

And as Alexander just suggested, Pettiti was odd man out in a tricky roster situation.

Parcells wanted/needed a vet in the mix (Fabini), liked what he had in Columbo, and didn't have room for two developmental guys.

McQuistan truly came from nowhere, reportedly showed so much that he wouldn't have made it to the practice squad, and so an unexpected contingency suddenly emerged that resulted in Pettiti's departure (despite prior assurances to the contrary). Nobody saw it coming.

It is a real tough business.

[Alexander]

Again, good points.

I've criticized Parcells on some moves, but this roster and how they've contributed really can't be denied.

I cannot see how Coach Parcells cutting a player that would/should be inactive and keeping a seasoned veteran could be characterized as a mistake. There have been plenty that fans determined that he would "rue" yet we don't see them doing much, if anything in the league.

Antonio Bryant has been okay, except he eventually will go a step too far and doesn't appear any more mature two years later than he did the day he pitched his jersey. How are Derek Ross, Resherd Lee, Woodrow Dantzler, Drew Henson, Kalen Thornton, Bruce Thornton, Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterman and others working out? Not so good.

If bashing him about this release makes some people feel justified in their belief the game has passed him by and he is an senile egomaniacal liar prone to laziness and fetish, so be it. Just try finding a better example than Rob Petitti.

You win some, you lose some. There is nothing rueful about this one yet.

[JPM]

Bitter much?


I'm just glad he's not a cowboy anymore. One of the worst offensive linemen I've ever seen.

But at least he tried real hard.

LOL !! I knew you would show up. :shoot1:

[yesfan]

Parcells even said in the beginning of that camp,Petitti was
in the best shape or most improved,strength wise,something
like that,and then the kid was gone.No,im thinking Parcells really
liked the kid,so it must of pained him to let him go.I think we all
could see how Rob was thrown to the wolves when he first got
here and it's obvious Bill changed his mind and went in another
direction.I will say this,the kid busted his butt,and Sean knows
that and signed him to the Saints.

[Alexander]

Very cool thread.

pittdawg's analysis of last year is dead-on accurate:

It is doubly tough when honestly there are not a lot of options we could go with. Tackles, especially starting quality, aren't easy to obtain. Everyone needs one.

Who exactly could we have claimed off the street that could have done the job? I realize it has become a running joke, but where indeed were these players? I saw all kinds of names being thrown around here in panic when Adams got hurt. Chris Terry from Carolina, Toniu Fonoti was a popular choice. Where are these players now?

I distinctly remember Ross Verba, but he turned us completely off with his attitude. We also tried Ethan Brooks and he never could make it either. Colombo was a calculated risk for the future, but to use that as a further excuse why Petitti was somehow treated unfairly is simply reaching.

There is an obligation that the staff has to think for the future of the organization. That is what the pro personnel director and scouts are charged to examine. Colombo was that. There was not a single player on the market that could have rescued our situation and been better than Petitti, even an injured one, believe it or not. Colombo had virtually nothing to do with Petitti.

If you want to blame the staff, blame them for not making the move back in preseason when it became apparent that Jacob Rogers was not going to make it. There were more options then than there was after Adams' injury. That is where any gross miscalculation could have possibly occurred.

Again, suggesting Colombo had some sort of play in this is ridiculous.

[Alexander]

Parcells even said in the beginning of that camp,Petitti was
in the best shape or most improved,strength wise,something
like that,and then the kid was gone.No,im thinking Parcells really
liked the kid,so it must of pained him to let him go.I think we all
could see how Rob was thrown to the wolves when he first got
here and it's obvious Bill changed his mind and went in another
direction.I will say this,the kid busted his butt,and Sean knows
that and signed him to the Saints.

He said that very same type of thing about other players that got released. I remember him talking about Willie Blade and Daleroy Stewart in similar terms. If someone misconstrues that, they don't know his history.

[Hostile]

I cannot see how Coach Parcells cutting a player that would/should be inactive and keeping a seasoned veteran could be characterized as a mistake. There have been plenty that fans determined that he would "rue" yet we don't see them doing much, if anything in the league.

Antonio Bryant has been okay, except he eventually will go a step too far and doesn't appear any more mature two years later than he did the day he pitched his jersey. How are Derek Ross, Resherd Lee, Woodrow Dantzler, Drew Henson, Kalen Thornton, Bruce Thornton, Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterman and others working out? Not so good.

If bashing him about this release makes some people feel justified in their belief the game has passed him by and he is an senile egomaniacal liar prone to laziness and fetish, so be it. Just try finding a better example than Rob Petitti.

You win some, you lose some. There is nothing rueful about this one yet.I think it has to do with attachment issues Alex.

I did not like the signing of Fabini. Made no bones about it. I think that is why I am so happy with Columbo. It's not that I dislike Fabini himself, just didn't think he was that good. I still don't.

But I won't sit here and say EJ Whitley couldn't do what McQuistan did and make Petitti expendable anyway if he hadn't got hurt. I can't say that. If some can, then they have a better crystal ball than I do.

I never once lamented the waiver of Rob. I do think his dad is a good guy and that there were things behind the scenes that we as posters have no clue about. So I asked, and I got an answer I didn't expect. I did not disilike Petitti the way some did because I thought he was a pretty good run blocker and could improve. Well, if he does, it's for someone else. Not on my stomach acid list at all.

I look at it this way, give me the best 53 that can be actually had every year and I'll take it. I think this is exactly what Parcells has planned for and far be it from me to grouse about it while I am this excited about the results.

Water under the bridge. I do know that some on both sides won't move on. Not a doubt in my mind. Attachment issues.

[Rack Bauer]

It is doubly tough when honestly there are not a lot of options we could go with. Tackles, especially starting quality, aren't easy to obtain. Everyone needs one.

Who exactly could we have claimed off the street that could have done the job? I realize it has become a running joke, but where indeed were these players? I saw all kinds of names being thrown around here in panic when Adams got hurt. Chris Terry from Carolina, Toniu Fonoti was a popular choice. Where are these players now?

I distinctly remember Ross Verba, but he turned us completely off with his attitude. We also tried Ethan Brooks and he never could make it either. Colombo was a calculated risk for the future, but to use that as a further excuse why Petitti was somehow treated unfairly is simply reaching.

There is an obligation that the staff has to think for the future of the organization. That is what the pro personnel director and scouts are charged to examine. Colombo was that. There was not a single player on the market that could have rescued our situation and been better than Petitti, even an injured one, believe it or not. Colombo had virtually nothing to do with Petitti.

If you want to blame the staff, blame them for not making the move back in preseason when it became apparent that Jacob Rogers was not going to make it. There were more options then than there was after Adams' injury. That is where any gross miscalculation could have possibly occurred.

Again, suggesting Colombo had some sort of play in this is ridiculous.


I think he did have a "play" in it.

Or his PLAY - being far superior to that of Petitti - made it an easy decision for BP. It was a no-brainer. If he'd cut Columbo and kept Petitt, I would of questioned his sanity.

Petitti plain sucked. He may not always suck, but he sucked last year and this year in training camp. That's a fact.

[ZeroClub]

It is doubly tough when honestly there are not a lot of options we could go with. Tackles, especially starting quality, aren't easy to obtain. Everyone needs one.

Who exactly could we have claimed off the street that could have done the job? I realize it has become a running joke, but where indeed were these players? I saw all kinds of names being thrown around here in panic when Adams got hurt. Chris Terry from Carolina, Toniu Fonoti was a popular choice. Where are these players now?

I distinctly remember Ross Verba, but he turned us completely off with his attitude. We also tried Ethan Brooks and he never could make it either. Colombo was a calculated risk for the future, but to use that as a further excuse why Petitti was somehow treated unfairly is simply reaching.

There is an obligation that the staff has to think for the future of the organization. That is what the pro personnel director and scouts are charged to examine. Colombo was that. There was not a single player on the market that could have rescued our situation and been better than Petitti, even an injured one, believe it or not. Colombo had virtually nothing to do with Petitti.

If you want to blame the staff, blame them for not making the move back in preseason when it became apparent that Jacob Rogers was not going to make it. There were more options then than there was after Adams' injury. That is where any gross miscalculation could have possibly occurred.

Again, suggesting Colombo had some sort of play in this is ridiculous.
Yeah.

I'll blame the staff for having ever counted on Jacob Rogers to be the answer at RT. It was that offseason assessment heading into last season, that woefully mistaken assessment, that left the Cowboys caught with their pants down and forced to play a rookie who wasn't yet prepared.

The erroneous assessment of Rogers (on his draft day), the erroneous re-assessment of Rogers (spring and summer 2005), and the lack of a viable Plan B, cost the Cowboys mightily in 2005.

No wonder Parcells felt a need to keep Fabini this time around. He's the Plan B option that the Cowboys didn't have (and needed) in '05.

[theebs]

Yeah.

I'll blame the staff for having ever counted on Jacob Rogers to be the answer at RT. It was that offseason assessment heading into last season, that woefully mistaken assessment, that left the Cowboys caught with their pants down and forced to play a rookie who wasn't yet prepared.

The erroneous assessment of Rogers (on his draft day), the erroneous re-assessment of Rogers (spring and summer 2005), and the lack of a viable Plan B, cost the Cowboys mightily in 2005.

No wonder Parcells felt a need to keep Fabini this time around. He's the Plan B option that the Cowboys didn't have (and needed) in '05.

The plan B option last year was tucker as the swing tackle. It looked good too until flo got hurt against the giants. Then Petitti got hurt against the lions. Then all hell broke loose on both sides.

[Paniolo22]

Look, we can questions a lot of things, but it is pretty much fact that 99% of the guys Parcells has released in the past are working at Dennys or in jail. This year, we finally had quality on our roster to trade and even release starters on other teams. The coach knows what he is doing. Could he have been more straight with Petitti, probably, but the coaches have the benefit of seeing the players in practice every day, not just game day, so if Rob were showing something to separate himself from the other tackles, I have to believe he would still be here. The facts are, Petitti was a hard worker who was limited physically and technically. He improved his strength, but couldn't translate it to the field.

[Hostile]

Look, we can questions a lot of things, but it is pretty much fact that 99% of the guys Parcells has released in the past are working at Dennys or in jail. This year, we finally had quality on our roster to trade and even release starters on other teams. The coach knows what he is doing. Could he have been more straight with Petitti, probably, but the coaches have the benefit of seeing the players in practice every day, not just game day, so if Rob were showing something to separate himself from the other tackles, I have to believe he would still be here. The facts are, Petitti was a hard worker who was limited physically and technically. He improved his strength, but couldn't translate it to the field.Flo was coming back from injury. Columbo was coming on. We signed a FA (Fabini). We drafted 2 OTs (McQuistan & Whitley).

Clearly Parcells was unsettled at the position. The roster got churned. Won't be the last time.

[Dale]

thanks for attempting to put some fact behind my feelings. some here appear skeptical or disbelieving of what actually happens to players behind the scenes. i don't need to defend rob nor myself for retorting to posters who i believe are overly critical of rob. rob was thrown into a situation to cover the gross miscalculation of the coaching staff as to the abilities of other players on the roster. rob never played RT nor was he in nfl shape, yet he played through numerous injuries for what he thought was the good of the team. through eleven games, rob had given up 7 sacks. after suffering a concussion and a severe high ankle sprain, julius jones 5 weeks, in the detroit game, rob's play begain to spiral down surrendering 6 1/2 sacks the final 5 games. my problem is that with a severe injury and a rookie reaching the wall he should not even been playing. the team had made no contingent plan for this having used a roster spot for the future in columbo. that move payed off well for this year , but left the team without a real option at either tackle last year.

well that's history and neither rob nor me is crying over spilt milk. rob is comfortable in NO, liking both the team and city. NO is playing extremely well as is their offensive line. the coaches have identified the technique problems rob had, but unlike in dallas have found a way to correct them. if this is a knock on dallas coaches, so be it. i view this a a simple statement of fact.

thanks for all that have supported my son and read my posts with interest. i appologize for nothing regarding my feelings toward my son nor the posting of things i know to be true. i have no need to post here nor do i think that by posting does anything change. i have a clear understanding of both the opportunity given and then taken away from rob in dallas, posting here only to give an inside point of view.

I liked Petitti's play early on. I was of the "he's only going to get better crowd." I recall a number of posts here where people were pleased we'd get any production out of a late pick. Personally, I thought it was a stretch to rely on the oft-injured Colombo going into this season. I'm highly surprised he's developed the way he has.

It looks like, in the end, the move has benefitted everyone. It appears Rob's development is doing well in New Orleans and the Cowboys might have found their answer, too.

I agree with the assessment that Rob was put in an unfair situation. I think the flip side, though, isn't much better: Imagine him not playing and becoming nothing more than an afterthought a year or two in the league, with no footage showing what he can do. To have film of a rookie late-round pick starting (hurt, no less) 16 games is pretty impressive on a resume, I'd imagine.

Also, on Parcells, it seems to me that a number of players he releases walk away "bitter." I don't use that word in a negative connotation here in Rob's case; all I mean is it seems they feel they were lied to. Antonio Bryant is one of the rare cases I recall of a guy being cut in Dallas and crediting Bill for basically waking him up. I remember guys like Ekuban and Wiley being totally displeased with how they were handled. Didn't Ekuban basically insinuate he wanted to laugh in Parcells' face when they beat the 'Boys on Thanksgiving?

Parcells has a reptuation for being totally up front with his players. At the same time, it seems like he can burn bridges easily with some players/coaches that move on (his relationship with Belichick come to mind).

I don't have any knowledge of what went on behind the scenes. And it's a shame if Parcells said one thing and did another, or if he gave Rob any assurances that turned out to be false. With that said, I think most of us can relate to similar things happening in the work place. Never know what the future has in store, and assurances one day can become a mere afterthought the next.

[Dale]

Flo was coming back from injury. Columbo was coming on. We signed a FA (Fabini). We drafted 2 OTs (McQuistan & Whitley).

Clearly Parcells was unsettled at the position. The roster got churned. Won't be the last time.

I still can't believe we might have found an answer at tackle.

No disrespect to Rob's late-round status, but starting that late of a pick from Day 1 was a reach to begin with. Usually later picks are drafted late, well, because they're raw and need development -- not because they're ready to start out of the box. Ideally, he'd have been handled like McQuistan -- given time to develop on the bench and unleashed later on. With that said, we all know life isn't fair and our lack of preparation and foresight at tackle left the team starting an untested Petitti all season.

Then we had the no-balls Rogers, the oft-injured Colombo and a dinosaur in Fabini. And heck, who knows, maybe McQuistan will develop on the left side.

How we might have come out on top in this, I do not know.

[ZeroClub]

The plan B option last year was tucker as the swing tackle. It looked good too until flo got hurt against the giants. Then Petitti got hurt against the lions. Then all hell broke loose on both sides.
Well, I guess my belief is that Petitti should have been the developmental guy last year (i.e., in McQuistan's current role), but due to the mistaken evaluation of Jacob Rogers, Petitti was pressed into service much too early (Day 1). And then, like you said, things went from bad to worse, to still worse.

Isn't it nice how much brighter the OL situation appears this season? This turnabout is absolutely refreshing.

[bbgun]

Wow. 12 pages devoted to a middling ex-Cowboy.

[Seven]

thanks for attempting to put some fact behind my feelings. some here appear skeptical or disbelieving of what actually happens to players behind the scenes. i don't need to defend rob nor myself for retorting to posters who i believe are overly critical of rob. rob was thrown into a situation to cover the gross miscalculation of the coaching staff as to the abilities of other players on the roster. rob never played RT nor was he in nfl shape, yet he played through numerous injuries for what he thought was the good of the team. through eleven games, rob had given up 7 sacks. after suffering a concussion and a severe high ankle sprain, julius jones 5 weeks, in the detroit game, rob's play begain to spiral down surrendering 6 1/2 sacks the final 5 games. my problem is that with a severe injury and a rookie reaching the wall he should not even been playing. the team had made no contingent plan for this having used a roster spot for the future in columbo. that move payed off well for this year , but left the team without a real option at either tackle last year.

well that's history and neither rob nor me is crying over spilt milk. rob is comfortable in NO, liking both the team and city. NO is playing extremely well as is their offensive line. the coaches have identified the technique problems rob had, but unlike in dallas have found a way to correct them. if this is a knock on dallas coaches, so be it. i view this a a simple statement of fact.

thanks for all that have supported my son and read my posts with interest. i appologize for nothing regarding my feelings toward my son nor the posting of things i know to be true. i have no need to post here nor do i think that by posting does anything change. i have a clear understanding of both the opportunity given and then taken away from rob in dallas, posting here only to give an inside point of view.

Heya Pittdawg.
I've got a couple questions that you might be able to answer. Could it have been that the coaching staff were just faced with a time constraint in Robs developement? It just seems the coaches know he can play, he just needs some time and NO was a good place for him to do that with Payton and all. Do you think Parcells would of found Rob a home somewhere within the NFL
if Payton didn't snatch him up?

I won't apologize for things not working out because I know they will. Sadly, for me anyways, just not in Dallas. Rob seems to be a good guy, I hope for nothing but good luck and a great, healthy career for you both. I'll be watching him.

Now, let's talk about this pesky little "infatuation" you've got with the Giants......................http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Heisenberg]

Wow. 12 pages devoted to a middling ex-Cowboy.

That's what I'm sayin.

[Chocolate Lab]

This is a good thread...

I want to say one more thing (okay, probably not), and that's that blaming the ankle injury last year for Rob's release this year is totally unjustified. Parcells mentioned last year that Rob was tough, so he knew the player was dinged up and playing through it. If anything, that gained him points with Parcells.

But that was last year. This year in camp, Rob was totally healthy and had an offseason that saw him gain a lot of strength and lose a lot of fat. So he was more prepared to play well than he ever had been. Problem is, he didn't. I remember in camp, Parcells mentioned several times that Petitti had to take that offseason weight work to the field... But he never did. It's just that simple.

Like I and others have said, I think it shook out like this: Colombo played the best and was the toughest, so he earned the starting job. Parcells wasn't going to go exclusively with young players as backups after it cost him in 2005, so Fabini was in. McQuistan showed much more talent as a developmental player than Petitti did, so he was in. Tackle positions filled, over and out.

[Heisenberg]

This is a good thread...

I want to say one more thing (okay, probably not), and that's that blaming the ankle injury last year for Rob's release this year is totally unjustified. Parcells mentioned last year that Rob was tough, so he knew the player was dinged up and playing through it. If anything, that gained him points with Parcells.

But that was last year. This year in camp, Rob was totally healthy and had an offseason that saw him gain a lot of strength and lose a lot of fat. So he was more prepared to play well than he ever had been. Problem is, he didn't. I remember in camp, Parcells mentioned several times that Petitti had to take that offseason weight work to the field... But he never did. It's just that simple.

Like I and others have said, I think it shook out like this: Colombo played the best and was the toughest, so he earned the starting job. Parcells wasn't going to go exclusively with young players as backups after it cost him in 2005, so Fabini was in. McQuistan showed much more talent as a developmental player than Petitti did, so he was in. Tackle positions filled, over and out.

That sums it up really well. Good post. :D

[Ben_n_austin]

thanks for attempting to put some fact behind my feelings. some here appear skeptical or disbelieving of what actually happens to players behind the scenes. i don't need to defend rob nor myself for retorting to posters who i believe are overly critical of rob. rob was thrown into a situation to cover the gross miscalculation of the coaching staff as to the abilities of other players on the roster. rob never played RT nor was he in nfl shape, yet he played through numerous injuries for what he thought was the good of the team. through eleven games, rob had given up 7 sacks. after suffering a concussion and a severe high ankle sprain, julius jones 5 weeks, in the detroit game, rob's play begain to spiral down surrendering 6 1/2 sacks the final 5 games. my problem is that with a severe injury and a rookie reaching the wall he should not even been playing. the team had made no contingent plan for this having used a roster spot for the future in columbo. that move payed off well for this year , but left the team without a real option at either tackle last year.




Wow! Too bad he wasn't putting up those numbers on the d-line. He would have been leading our team in sacks by far.

[Dale]

To add, I don't think pittdawg will find many people arguing his claim that the Cowboys hadn't done a good job prior to this year of putting together an offensive line, especially at tackle.

Parcells whiffed on every high pick and the free-agent signings weren't all that good.

Even with the improved play this year, you wonder how much of it is Romo making them look better than they really are. I suspect you'll still see some movement made along the line this offseason.

[cowboyz]

BP vs. Pettiti, 'nuf said.

[Bob Dole]

The way him and his son have been disrespected on this thread by trolls like you ..... he should have said worse.

Now shutup before he tells Rob to turn you into that pancake that sits on that rabbits head.


Nobody said anything until he came in here and called out the Cowboys coaches.

Bob Dole hopes one of the Saints' offensive tackles is out this week (not a serious injury or anything, just a one week illness) so Pittdawg Jr. can start and show us that BRAND NEW TECHNIQUE hes been working on that he never learned in Dallas. Riiight.. dude's a lifetime benchwarmer.

D-Ware would WEAR HIM OUT so bad it wouldnt even be funny.

[DrewBrees2006MVP]

What I find hilarious is that Petitti was a STARTER on your team, but he's nothing more than a bench riding scrub in New Orleans.

This my friends is proof of how talented and loaded our roster is compared to yours.

[zrinkill]

Nobody said anything until he came in here and called out the Cowboys coaches.

Bob Dole hopes one of the Saints' offensive tackles is out this week (not a serious injury or anything, just a one week illness) so Pittdawg Jr. can start and show us that BRAND NEW TECHNIQUE hes been working on that he never learned in Dallas. Riiight.. dude's a lifetime benchwarmer.

D-Ware would WEAR HIM OUT so bad it wouldnt even be funny.

Bull ..... You and the other internet tough guy trolls have been jerks toward him since Rob was released.

I see you forgot once again to do your gimmick ...... silly kid.

[zrinkill]

What I find hilarious is that Petitti was a STARTER on your team, but he's nothing more than a bench riding scrub in New Orleans.

This my friends is proof of how talented and loaded our roster is compared to yours.

Wow ...... another Saints troll ..... what a suprise.

[StanleySpadowski]

What I find hilarious is that Petitti was a STARTER on your team, but he's nothing more than a bench riding scrub in New Orleans.

This my friends is proof of how talented and loaded our roster is compared to yours.


Just like Aaron Brooks being the starter in NO then forced to the bench in Oakland prooves that the Raiders are more talented and loaded than the Saints???

[Seven]

What I find hilarious is that Petitti was a STARTER on your team, but he's nothing more than a bench riding scrub in New Orleans.

This my friends is proof of how talented and loaded our roster is compared to yours.


:laugh2: :laugh1: :lmao2: :lmao: Proof? :lmao: :lmao2:

[Alexander]

What I find hilarious is that Petitti was a STARTER on your team, but he's nothing more than a bench riding scrub in New Orleans.

This my friends is proof of how talented and loaded our roster is compared to yours.

My how they do get bold after they actually win a few games.

[Seven]

My how they do get bold after they actually win a few games.

I'm just praying this guy is not in the legal profession.

[Alexander]

I'm just praying this guy is not in the legal profession.

Actually he appears like many attorneys I know. Not very intelligent.

[zrinkill]

He forgot to mention that our ex scrub Linebackers are the saints defensive stars ....

:D

[Alexander]

He forgot to mention that our ex scrub Linebackers are the saints defensive stars ....

:D

They are both playing well.

So is Copper.

Using Petitti is a poor example. Shanle, Fujita and Copper could all be starting this game yet were special teamers and backups at one time for us. That says what about our depth again?

[2233boys]

Pettiti did ok during the first part of the year because he constantly had help from the TE, when Adams went down and Tucker was inserted he couldn't be given the same help. He was horrible the entire year the only difference was the help he got from the TEs. Columbo has allowed 0 sacks this year thus far, Pettiti hasn't seen the field. I think we made out alright.

[2233boys]

Originally Posted by DrewBrees2006MVP
What I find hilarious is that Petitti was a STARTER on your team, but he's nothing more than a bench riding scrub in New Orleans.

This my friends is proof of how talented and loaded our roster is compared to yours. we cut him, and he is on your 53 man roster. :lmao2:

[theebs]

Dumbarse we cut him, and he is on your 53 man roster. :lmao2:


That doesnt mean anything. Go do some research.

We cut Brian Waters Too how did that work out?

Lots of guys get cut. Do I need to bring up more guys who were cut? Everybody cuts players, some fizzle out some become good players in other systems.

Only time will tell

[Bob Sacamano]

That doesnt mean anything. Go do some research.

We cut Brian Waters Too how did that work out?

Lots of guys get cut. Do I need to bring up more guys who were cut? Everybody cuts players, some fizzle out some become good players in other systems.

Only time will tell

Pettiti isn't Brian Waters, or Kevin Gogan, or Jimmy Smith

not yet at least

but I don't see him as being anything more than average, he's slow and not much of an athlete

[2233boys]

That doesnt mean anything. Go do some research.

We cut Brian Waters Too how did that work out?

Lots of guys get cut. Do I need to bring up more guys who were cut? Everybody cuts players, some fizzle out some become good players in other systems.

Only time will tell

It does in the context of his post. We caught Jimmy Smith too. So what. In the context of the post I was responding to, it made sense.

Beyond that he sucked.