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JPostSam

12-09-2006, 06:21 PM

Aikbach

12-09-2006, 06:23 PM

Are you suggesting Dallas will have a shot and drafting this manchild? Not if the team gets where it needs to be this season which would mean picking last in every round.

Rack Bauer

12-09-2006, 06:23 PM

i know, there's plenty of season left. but the bcs championship is coming up, and i've been watching highlights of this kid ted ginn, jr. OMG, his acceleration is unreal!!!

do you guys think he'd be worth our number 1 pick this spring, or what?
as a punt returner, kick returner and wr prospect, he's pretty special, no?

I like him as a 3rd/4th WR and return man, but I'm not sure he'll ever become a true/complete #1 WR.

Aikbach

12-09-2006, 06:25 PM

I like him as a 3rd/4th WR and return man, but I'm not sure he'll ever become a true/complete #1 WR.Dallas already has third and fourth wideouts, they need to begin grooming an eventual number one to step in for the aging Terrell Owens who should live out his contract and retire in two years.

Fan Since 77

12-09-2006, 06:26 PM

Rack Bauer

12-09-2006, 06:27 PM

Dallas already has third and fourth wideouts, they need to begin grooming an eventual number one to step in for the aging Terrell Owens who should live out his contract and retire in two years.

I agree. We may already have our future WR's on the team anyway. But if Calvin Johnson were available when we draft (he won't be) I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Aikbach

12-09-2006, 06:30 PM

I agree. We may already have our future WR's on the team anyway. But if Calvin Johnson were available when we draft (he won't be) I'd take him in a heartbeat.I would love for Sam Hurd and Miles Austin to be the next Drew Pearson like walk on but having lightning strike so generously to Cowboy UDFA's is improbable.

If this happens it will completely undermine the meaning of the draft forever more.

RW31

12-09-2006, 06:45 PM

do you guys think he'd be worth our number 1 pick this spring, or what?
thats a pretty dumb question dont you think? i dont care how fast he is, you dont draft athletes with your no.1 pick. somebody will pick him up around ~17-23. thats my guess

Natedawg44

12-09-2006, 06:51 PM

I like him as a 3rd/4th WR and return man, but I'm not sure he'll ever become a true/complete #1 WR.

I agree I wouldn't be surprised if Gonzalez ended up being a better WR, but to think Hurd or Miles will be anything more than a #3 at best is remote.

McCordsville Cowboy

12-09-2006, 06:55 PM

i know, there's plenty of season left. but the bcs championship is coming up, and i've been watching highlights of this kid ted ginn, jr. OMG, his acceleration is unreal!!!

do you guys think he'd be worth our number 1 pick this spring, or what?
as a punt returner, kick returner and wr prospect, he's pretty special, no?

He is a top 10 pick just based on his speed alone.. If that bum Troy Williamson went so high based on a good forty, Ginn will do that as well and have film to prove game speed and production.

Top 5 pick more than likely

Kevlee06

12-09-2006, 07:26 PM

Dayton Cowboy

12-09-2006, 07:32 PM

I agree I wouldn't be surprised if Gonzalez ended up being a better WR, but to think Hurd or Miles will be anything more than a #3 at best is remote.

I agree Nate. I'd rather have Gonzo than Ginn.. Don't get me wrong I love to watch Ginn. But with Ginn you are counting on an upside that may or may not develop. The NFL has been full of speed guys that didn't pan out. Gonzo is a great route runner, not to mention he has by the reports of butch reynolds (olympic sprinter), who is OSU's speed coach, he says that Gonzo is probably almost neck and neck with Ginn in a foot race. I would really like him as a 3rd rounder or second day pick if he's on the board still.

sago1

12-09-2006, 07:36 PM

Barring injuries and a resultant total collapse by the Cowboys, there's no way Ginn will be available when we draft. Also don't forget Parcells doesn't like to draft WRs in the first round. Besides we've already got 2 WR prospects who I'd like a chance to see more of--particularly Miles Austin whose 6-3, 215, 22 yoa & runs a 4.57. That doesn't make him the fatest player in the world so I don't see him as Terry Glenn's successor but Austin has very good hands but need improve his route running and work ethic. But I could easy see him as another TO, but w/o the issues. Hopefully Cowboys play well the rest of the season and maybe even have a chance to take a look at some of our younger players before the season ends. I know it's unlikely we will get so lucky that one of our younger WRs could become a #1 WR but we've certainly been lucky of late--see Romo & Gramatica. So who knows.

BTW: Parcells wanted put McQuistan, Hurd & Austin on our PS so they could be developed. Our scouts who check these things out for us came back and said all 3 players had attracted enough attention that they certain we'd lose all 3 of these players if we attempted get them thru waivers. Parcells must have agreed cause he stated in a PC that he was getting phone calls from other teams re certain players. In fact he elected cut Pettiti to keep McQuistan. Since Crayton (a 7th round pick) has worked out so well for us, I'll give Parcells benefit of the doubt with both Hurd & Austin.

ghst187

12-09-2006, 07:38 PM

Calvin Johnson will most likely be the first WR off the board and probably go top 5, if not top 2/3.
Dwayne Jarrett will be the 2nd WR off the board and will likely go top 10 or 12.
For us to get either one, it would take a massive trade up.

Ted Ginn will probably go 10-20 range depending on combine. Good combine and scouts think he can really contribute at WR, he may go 7-12.
Doesn't matter if we lost our next 4 and missed the playoffs, we won't be within 8 picks of any of those guys without a big trade up.
But YES I would draft Ted Ginn is somehow he dropped to us in the first. YES I would trade up for Calvin. He is a true #1 WR stud. I don't think we will do that though.

Adrian Peterson will probably go top 8. M. Lynch though is a guy who could possibly drop with a slower than expected 40 time or something. Running backs seem to fall in the draft. I guess people think they are pretty easy to find or something. The other guy that could fall... RB Bush of Louisville. I could see Bush being on the board when we draft in the first. Bush would give us a BIG power back, then TT as the speed RB, with MBIII being the balanced one.
If we end up going deep into the playoffs and we decide not to trade up for someone like CJ, DJ, M Lynch, or AP, I think I'd prefer to see us trade down into the second and go after LB Spencer of Purdue (who'd become our "other" speedrusher) and CB Aaron Ross of Texas (who could eventually become a starter at CB (A Glenn is OLD) and could contribute immediately at PR).
As far as the OL goes, I'm really not sure we will do much, esp if we re-sign Gurode and Colombo (which we will). Rivera and Flo are the candidates most likely to go but their contract status almost dictate that we keep them for at least one more year. Meanwhile, we have Proctor and McQ to back them up. Sounds like the coaches think they are the future at LT and RG too. We actually would have pretty good youth and depth along the OL. Also, we have Whitley coming back from injury and he can provide depth at C or G. I don't think we're in that bad of shape on the OL. Could it be better? SURE! I wish we could run block better. But I'm not sure the OL will get much attention this offseason like we all think it will....other than a late round draft pick if someone falls that the coaches like. I don't get the impression that the coaches see our OL is as big a problem as we do and I think they like our young guys. If this is indeed the case, we have a LOT of flexibility with our draft picks.
Other than OL....
Passrusher, have to find someone who can get to the QB to play opposite Ware, Ellis ain't it.
our WRs are OLD and no one on our roster other than TO and TG look like #1's or #2's.
We have an RB that hasn't been as productive as expected...JJ
Kicker, but JJ has sworn not to spend big money or draft pick on another K so don't expect Josh Brown or Mason Crosby
PR, don't be surprised to see us stop trying to draft one late and go try to sign a vet to do it
Backup QB, will be a vet, bank on it. Matt Baker may be getting groomed

ghst187

12-09-2006, 07:40 PM

Dayton Cowboy

12-09-2006, 07:42 PM

I'd wait a year and draft DeShean Jackson. lol!

Seriously though. If Ginn Jr. dropped to the end of the 1st round, yes take him. Owens and Glenn aren't going to last forever and I don't think Crayton, Miles, or Hurd have #1 WR potential (Ginn does). And for a bonus he is a hell of a punt returner.

I've been disturbed by the trend of Ginn's muffed punt returns over the last 2 seasons.. They seem to come at times that allowed the opposing teams to stay in the games. However he is electric when he has the ball in his hands. You don't want to blink for fear of him breaking loose and scoring from anywhere.

By the way, don't forget Dwayne Jarrett from USC.

CowboyChris

12-09-2006, 10:51 PM

Rampage

12-09-2006, 10:57 PM

it might be hard with the 32nd pick;)

Bizwah

12-09-2006, 11:27 PM

WR would be nice to have. I like what we have now, but with Glenn and Owens you never know. Glenn has been healthy two years in a row...but he's had some issues in the past...TO? Well, you never know with him. We'll see if he acts like an adult next year.

I just don't want to see us in the same situation Philly was in....I like Crayton, Hurd, and Austin, but I don't think any of them can be a #1 next year. Crayton will always be a #3, IMO. Austin has the body and the tools to perhaps develop, but it'll take a while.

I'd love to see us draft a top-drawer prospect at WR....it's always a gamble though.

InmanRoshi

12-10-2006, 12:09 AM

I don't see how anyone could suggest that WR isn't a need when our two starters are heading into their mid-30's. Crayton is not starting material, and I believe 2007 will be the final contract year for Terry Glenn. It takes two years for most WRs to develop, so the time to find Glenn's replacement is now.

Ginn would fill two needs for the team, as a WR to groom for the longterm successor to Glenn/TO and as an immediate impact return man. Will he be there when we pick? Probably not, but I don't think he's polished enough to be a Top 10 pick. At this point he's more Desmond Howard than Marvin Harrison.

TEK2000

12-10-2006, 12:31 AM

I'm with Rack on this.

Granted I haven't seen a WHOLE lot of Ohio State but I have watched several games.

Its not very often that I've seen Ginn making a catch on a normal, well-run reciever route. Most every catch I've ever seen him make was on a short WR screen where it allows him to use his ability in the open field... or, its just a pure fly route where he beats people with his speed.

On the other hand, every catch I've seen Gonzalez make was on a well-run route. He looks much more like a true reciever, and Ginn is more of a pure athlete.

Paniolo22

12-10-2006, 12:59 AM

I like Ginn, but I get flashbacks of another receiver with tremendous college speed and moves...Peter Warrick. I loved Warrick coming out of college and he made unreal play after play. It just didn't translate on the field in the NFL. I'd probably take Ginn with our 1st pick around 28-32, but wouldn't be sad if he were picked right before our pick.

Clove

12-10-2006, 01:15 AM

Some may not like this but at some point, we have to find someone who can rush the passer opposite Ware.

I would go WR/OLB passrush specialist/OT/NT/G/. We have to keep drafting or picking up pass rushers until we find one.

ConcordCowboy

12-10-2006, 03:01 AM

He's only a JR and he needs to stay and work on his route running.

Smith's a Senior so he's gone and Ginn may say hey my Heisman Winning QB :D and Friend is leaving how am I going to do next year with a new QB and may decide to leave...But it would be a mistake.

Ginn's stock dropped a little this year he needs to stay and build it back up.

That being said...If he comes out and Dallas has a chance to get him...Do it!:D

adamknite

12-10-2006, 03:43 AM

Like somebody else said, I'd rather trade down out of the first, if we don't win the super bowl and end up with a pick in the early-mid 20's I'd prefer to do like we did in the JP Losman deal, and get 2 first rounders next year {I don't see that happening though}.

As far as Ginn vs. Gonzo, I'd take Gonzo over him in a heartbeat, but that's just me. However, I don't watch a lot of OSU so I could be completely wrong about my judgment.

I'm not positive on what picks we have, but in the 2nd and 1st rounds if we don't trade either away I'd like to see a DT and CB, the order doesn't matter. In the 3rd and 4th a WR and QB again the order doesn't matter.

Rocky

12-10-2006, 04:30 AM

I love his physical abilities. However, he doesn't have great hands, and appears to not relish contact a great deal. Bottom half of the rd 1 is where I'd take him. Maybe he can be improve on these drawbacks early in his pro career with proper coaching.

Now C watkins is the complete WR.... I think Simieon Rice is even ahead of Ginn purely as a receiver at this juncture, save the explosiveness.

like a dog

12-10-2006, 04:48 AM

Don't even know why you would think about him. He doesn't fill a need for us and he won't even be there when we draft. We need to take a runningback, safety, linebacker, offensive line. In that order.

You are a ****ing idiot. Running back!? Are you ****ing kidding me? The Cowboys biggest needs (in non-retarded order) are: free safety, pressure player (be he a defensive lineman or a outside linebacker) and a young wide receiver to groom. If Ted Ginn Jr. was available when we were on the clock we would be all the **** over him. He would immediately become the fastest person in the NFL (eclipsing Joey Galloway). I would love to see him running under Romo's passes for the next 10 years.

Fan Since 77

12-10-2006, 04:53 AM

You are a ****ing idiot. Running back!? Are you ****ing kidding me? The Cowboys biggest needs (in non-retarded order) are: free safety, pressure player (be he a defensive lineman or a outside linebacker) and a young wide receiver to groom. If Ted Ginn Jr. was available when we were on the clock we would be all the **** over him. He would immediately become the fastest person in the NFL (eclipsing Joey Galloway). I would love to see him running under Romo's passes for the next 10 years.

What if Julius continues to suck? What then? MB3 is good for twenty yards, but we need a homerun threat. And if you think I'm an idiot for suggesting that, you're complete ****** for saying we need a receiver. We are loaded at that position.

nicodywill

12-10-2006, 04:56 AM

what about some protection jake long from michigan is a hoss, ryan khalil from USC as well. as far as all these big name impact guys go i figure they'll be long gone by the time we get a pick i figure with us picking dead last if you know wahat i'm hinting at.

like a dog

12-10-2006, 05:09 AM

What if Julius continues to suck? What then? MB3 is good for twenty yards, but we need a homerun threat. And if you think I'm an idiot for suggesting that, you're complete ****** for saying we need a receiver. We are loaded at that position.

No, you're right. There is no need to worry about the wide receiver position, given that our starters are 33 and 32 respectively. That's young! *******.

Fan Since 77

12-10-2006, 05:12 AM

ginn is a first round pick. We aren't taking a WR in the first round. If Julius regains form, no need to take a RB either, then we focus on a safety. If Julius continues his downward spiral of sucking, then we need to take a RB early.

nicodywill

12-10-2006, 05:22 AM

TO is terrible i'll be suprised if he's with the team next year i'd waive him trade him cut him just get rid of him, glenn is gettin old but i think there are other issues bigger than WR. take care of that with free agency at year end and a late round pick. we have good young recievers who might just need a bigger stage to shine. this is funny though teddy ginn, yeah why not how about brady quinn or adrian peterson or troy smith. more like steve smith yeah you know that guy from USC thats more our quality of pick for where we'll be picking

burmafrd

12-10-2006, 05:26 AM

We need a speedburner like Glenn to groom. We have the big possession kid already who has the speed to break one; we have Crayton as the #3 guy. A glenn clone if possible. Ginn- just does not have the HANDS you want in a WR in the NFL.

nicodywill

12-10-2006, 05:30 AM

all very true but the ginn talk is ludacris he'll already be at camp by the time we pick if he even comes out this year after all he's only a Jr.

like a dog

12-10-2006, 05:38 AM

all very true but the ginn talk is ludacris he'll already be at camp by the time we pick if he even comes out this year after all he's only a Jr.

Completely true. That's why it is so absurd that people are saying we wouldn't take him. If Ginn was around in the late 20s (32?) he would be a Dallas Cowboy. And we would have a better team for it.

ravidubey

12-11-2006, 05:34 PM

Completely true. That's why it is so absurd that people are saying we wouldn't take him. If Ginn was around in the late 20s (32?) he would be a Dallas Cowboy. And we would have a better team for it.

Ginn is a monster and should go high in the draft. He is quicker than Calvin Johnson.

VA Cowboy

12-11-2006, 09:14 PM

The best WR we'd have chance at in the first round would be Sidney Rice. But I wouldn't mind Robert Meachem in the second.