Vince Young

[Danny White]

It's comical to see Houston fans in the stands high-fiving and cheering Vince Young after he just scored the game-winning TD!

Think there's a little regret from the Texan fans there?

[SALADIN]

Nice Homecoming.

I think the kid is coming along :cool:

[Da Hammer]

VINCE YOUNG IS SUPERMAN!!!!!!!!!!!! man that was INCREDIBLE!!!!!!

[cowboysfan]

Everytime I see his team win is because he scrambles whether NCAA or NFL, is he really so hard to tackle ? once injuries slow him down, it will have tremendous impact to the team which rely on his ground scramble.

[Cbz40]

Yes he does it again.........:)

[rexrobinson]

it appears he is...and the experts said that he wouldn't be able to do that in the NFL

[koolaid]

anyone care to badmouth vince young anymore? say he cant be an NFL QB?
SIT ON IT HATERS!

[Hostile]

I like this kid so much. That was a heck of a run.

[Da Hammer]

VY IS A WINNER!!!! Period!!!

[rexrobinson]

Everytime I see his team win is because he scrambles whether NCAA or NFL, is he really so hard to tackle ? once injuries slow him down, it will have tremendous impact to the team which rely on his ground scramble.

There is no doubt that he will be injured at some point in his career however unlike Vick he is a very large person and I think he will be more durable over the span.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Thats my boy! Representing the Longhorns...

What a game, the crowd went crazy at the end there they were giving him mad love lol. Houston fans love him!

[cowboysfan]

He is too one dimensional !
Well, though he is not fast as Vick but he is tough to brought down. Team should by now knows how to deal with his strategy (singular) !

[Fan Since 77]

Everytime I see his team win is because he scrambles whether NCAA or NFL, is he really so hard to tackle ? once injuries slow him down, it will have tremendous impact to the team which rely on his ground scramble.

dumbest post of the year.

[SA_Gunslinger]

i'm :lmao2: at everyone who said he would be a nfl bust.


you make the longhorns proud, baby!!!!!!!

that...was.....AWESOME. :bow:

[Dale]

Sucks to be a Texans fan.

Oh, and Young is awesome.

[WoodysGirl]

It's comical to see Houston fans in the stands high-fiving and cheering Vince Young after he just scored the game-winning TD!

Think there's a little regret from the Texan fans there?I agree it was comical watching fans celebrate his run. However, the Texans played well enuff to win and their D let them down again. They could never make the stops they needed. Long 3rd downs would get converted every time. It was pretty bad.

[Hoofbite]

Figures I changed to watch the start of the Cards game.....



Good thing ESPN will show it a few thousand times before the week is out.

[Hostile]

Sucks to be a Texans fan.

Oh, and Young is awesome.I like how the sig pic turned out Dale.

[Rack Bauer]

If he works hard on his throwing motion and improves his accuracy (a lot) he could be one of the best ever.

Yeah I said it. EVER. But he won't make a career out of running the ball. He HAS to improve his passing.

[WoodysGirl]

Everytime I see his team win is because he scrambles whether NCAA or NFL, is he really so hard to tackle ? once injuries slow him down, it will have tremendous impact to the team which rely on his ground scramble.Did you actually watch the game? This was my first time watching him since the Cowboys played the Titans and he's improved ridiculously since then. He's really pretty good at avoiding the hard hits when he's on the run. I don't recall him getting whacked all that much today. Many of his runs were down the sideline where he could step out.

[Bleu Star]

Remember this is a true rookie doing what he is doing. The guy is amazing. People actually thought he was going to be a bust? lmao @ them...

[BlueStar22]

Everytime I see his team win is because he scrambles whether NCAA or NFL, is he really so hard to tackle ? once injuries slow him down, it will have tremendous impact to the team which rely on his ground scramble.

well by the time that happens, he will have figured out the passing game. Until then, he may as well as do what he does best. He's a winner, plain and simple.

[Danny White]

As a Sooner fan, I didn't care much for Young, and mocked him and his game... that was, until last year.

After that National Championship year, I don't see how any rational person could continue to doubt his game (sorry, HeavyHitta). He's just a pure gamer.

His game obviously has some holes, and I think he'll have some struggles in the pros, but the guy's a winner and I think when all is said and done, he'll win more than he loses.

[thekavorka]

Here at UT, a lot of the Texans fans I know don't care that their team lost because Vince was the reason.

Vince is god

[Da Hammer]

If he works hard on his throwing motion and improves his accuracy (a lot) he could be one of the best ever.

Yeah I said it. EVER. But he won't make a career out of running the ball. He HAS to improve his passing.
He continues to show improvement on his passing every week and with his will to succeed and win HE WILL BECOME ONE OF THE BEST EVER!!! He is what Vick was supposed to be

[Rack Bauer]

Here at UT, a lot of the Texans fans I know don't care that their team lost because Vince was the reason.

Vince is god

You know of a place on this earth where there are "a lot of texans fans"?


I never thought such a place would exist.

[cowboys4life]

i think its more the organization than thier fans...they need to fire themselves coulda had young or bush...thats not to say williams wont become a player but geez

[Cbz40]

Yes, VY's passing game needs improvement. Will he improve? Yes. Young will do what ever it takes to become the best that he can be.....that's just the way he is.

[BlueStar22]

i think its more the organization than thier fans...they need to fire themselves coulda had young or bush...thats not to say williams wont become a player but geez

Charlie Casserly smiles.

[BAZ]

I love it, the better he does, the more chance Fisher stays, the less chance Jerry signs him up.

[Heisenberg]

Yes, VY's passing game needs improvement. Will he improve? Yes. Young will do what ever it takes to become the best that he can be.....that's just the way he is.

And that's why the comparisons between him and Mike Vick or so ridiculous. He won't let himself become mediocre or a hinderance to his team like Vick has. He's going to be a great one.

[GloryDaysRBack]

I don't want to come across the wrong way but I wouldn't jump the gun on vince young just yet and my reasoning is Mike Vick. Vince young's career seems to be getting off to an earily similar start to vicks career and look at vick now. If you guys recall vick also had his superman type plays early in his career and also won a game in OT via a long run just like young did today (2002 vs vikings ) While I definitely agree young's arm is better than vicks the question is how much better is it. So this post is NOT to say vince young WONT become the real deal and its NOT taking anything away from what young has done thus far because he has been amazing. THis situation just really reminds me of how every1 was all over vick when he was young and now look at him.

[CowboyChris]

i remember last draft day, kinda dreaming that Dallas would trade up and take VY. of course that was before anyone knew how good Romo would be, but i had no doubts VY is going to be a superstar in this league.

[The30YardSlant]

He better hope to God that he never has a serious leg/knee injury that hinders his runnign ability, because he wont ever be able to beat teams solely with his arm.

Michael Vick had a play just like that a few years back to beat Minnesota in OT, and was immediatly crowned the next great thing.

[BlueStar22]

I don't want to come across the wrong way but I wouldn't jump the gun on vince young just yet and my reasoning is Mike Vick. Vince young's career seems to be getting off to an earily similar start to vicks career and look at vick now. If you guys recall vick also had his superman type plays early in his career and also won a game in OT via a long run just like young did today (2002 vs vikings ) While I definitely agree young's arm is better than vicks the question is how much better is it. So this post is NOT to say vince young WONT become the real deal and its NOT taking anything away from what young has done thus far because he has been amazing. THis situation just really reminds me of how every1 was all over vick when he was young and now look at him.Blasphemy!! Another non-believer.

[Fan Since 77]

I don't want to come across the wrong way but I wouldn't jump the gun on vince young just yet and my reasoning is Mike Vick. Vince young's career seems to be getting off to an earily similar start to vicks career and look at vick now. If you guys recall vick also had his superman type plays early in his career and also won a game in OT via a long run just like young did today (2002 vs vikings ) While I definitely agree young's arm is better than vicks the question is how much better is it. So this post is NOT to say vince young WONT become the real deal and its NOT taking anything away from what young has done thus far because he has been amazing. THis situation just really reminds me of how every1 was all over vick when he was young and now look at him.

Why do people always feel the need to compare people. You can't compare Vince to ANYBODY. It's insulting. Vince is unique. Get it?

[Danny White]

He better hope to God that he never has a serious leg/knee injury that hinders his runnign ability, because he wont ever be able to beat teams solely with his arm.

Michael Vick had a play just like that a few years back to beat Minnesota in OT, and was immediatly crowned the next great thing.

OK, will the Horns fans take the bait?

10 bucks says they will. :D

[The30YardSlant]

Why do people always feel the need to compare people. You can't compare Vince to ANYBODY. It's insulting. Vince is unique. Get it?

Really? He's a great runner, a poor passer. Vick is an even better runner, and a poor passer.

Vince Young is a slower version of Michael Vick, nothing more.

[rexrobinson]

i remember last draft day, kinda dreaming that Dallas would trade up and take VY. of course that was before anyone knew how good Romo would be, but i had no doubts VY is going to be a superstar in this league.

I think VY is humble yet confident in his ability as a game changer. I never felt like Vick was humble.

This can be a major asset to a players personality pie because being humble shows that you undersand that you can always be a better person/player with more hard work. I do not see that from Vick and it oozes from VY.

[BlueStar22]

He better hope to God that he never has a serious leg/knee injury that hinders his runnign ability, because he wont ever be able to beat teams solely with his arm.You know this how? Because he's a Horn and you love the Aggies?

[rexrobinson]

Really? He's a great runner, a poor passer. Vick is an even better runner, and a poor passer.

Vince Young is a slower version of Michael Vick, nothing more.

ROFL...wow does that A&M hate run deep!

[Fan Since 77]

Really? He's a great runner, a poor passer. Vick is an even better runner, and a poor passer.

Vince Young is a slower version of Michael Vick, nothing more.

You can't be objective about it so your opinion is invalid. Your sig. tells me you're just another jaded aggy.

[Rack Bauer]

ROFL...wow does that A&M hate run deep!

That's not the word I'd use.

[SALADIN]

He continues to show improvement on his passing every week and with his will to succeed and win HE WILL BECOME ONE OF THE BEST EVER!!! He is what Vick was supposed to be

And anyone who's seen him over the last 3-4 weeks can tell that he is NOT the same QB who the Cowboys played.

Glad we got him when we did.

[Da Hammer]

Really? He's a great runner, a poor passer. Vick is an even better runner, and a poor passer.

Vince Young is a slower version of Michael Vick, nothing more.
OMG I cant believe i didnt see it earler!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: but i have finally figured it all out... HeavyHitta31= Merril Hodge :eek: :eek: :eek:

[The30YardSlant]

OK, will the Horns fans take the bait?

10 bucks says they will. :D

He can't beat teams with his arm. Yeah, he won the game today, but look at his passing stats:

50.2 completion %
10 TD
11 INT
63.5 QB Rating

[Fan Since 77]

He can't beat teams with his arm. Yeah, he won the game today, but look at his passing stats:

50.2 completion %
10 TD
11 INT
63.5 QB Rating

Go look at Payton Manning's stats today.
Vince is a rookie, and I know it pains you to see an ex longhorn win in the NFL. This kid is winning football games and he doesn't even know what's going on. Just wait until he gets it. He's amazing.

Sorry Aggie, but you can go back to the sheepfarm and do your hating on the sheep

[The30YardSlant]

You know this how? Because he's a Horn and you love the Aggies?

I know this because I've seen him play since his senior year of HS and his passing has improved very little in that time period. The only reason his completion % nearly 70% of the time. I can complete 65% of my passes if the vast majority are 5 yard dupoffs to my tailback.

[The30YardSlant]

ROFL...wow does that A&M hate run deep!

In other words, you got nothing

[TwoSteppinJJ]

He can't beat teams with his arm. Yeah, he won the game today, but look at his passing stats:

50.2 completion %
10 TD
11 INT
63.5 QB Rating

Last 5 weeks for Vince:

58%, 942 passing yards, 5 TD's, 4 INT's

321 rushing yards, 8 yards per carry, 3 TD's.

Hes coming along as a passer. Those were the question marks surrounding him coming out of UT and it will take him a couple years before he becomes an efficient passer in the NFL as predicted. Lets not forget this is a rookie...

How McNeal doing? Whens his trial date set for?

[jimmy40]

I don't want to come across the wrong way but I wouldn't jump the gun on vince young just yet and my reasoning is Mike Vick. Vince young's career seems to be getting off to an earily similar start to vicks career and look at vick now. If you guys recall vick also had his superman type plays early in his career and also won a game in OT via a long run just like young did today (2002 vs vikings ) While I definitely agree young's arm is better than vicks the question is how much better is it. So this post is NOT to say vince young WONT become the real deal and its NOT taking anything away from what young has done thus far because he has been amazing. THis situation just really reminds me of how every1 was all over vick when he was young and now look at him.

Besides both having running ability they play absolutely nothing alike. VY has the poise of a 15 year veteran in the pocket, Vick has no poise in the pocket at all. Vick needs rediculous passing lanes to throw from the pocket, VY doesn't. Vick's arm is much stronger than VY's but Vick will probably never be any better than he is now, VY is just getting started.

[The30YardSlant]

You can't be objective about it so your opinion is invalid. Your sig. tells me you're just another jaded aggy.

I'd rather be a jaded "aggy" than a t-shirt Longhorn with my knees nailed to Vince Young's feet.

[Fan Since 77]

Aggie's like heavyhitta continue to show why everybody laughs at them.

[Bob Sacamano]

How McNeal doing? Whens his trial date set for?

:laugh2: ZING!

[Fan Since 77]

I'd rather be a jaded "aggy" than a t-shirt Longhorn with my knees nailed to Vince Young's feet.

Yeah, I wear longhorn T-shirts to my classes at UT. I'm a bandwagon student of THE University of Texas.

[Dale]

I'd rather be a jaded "aggy" than a t-shirt Longhorn with my knees nailed to Vince Young's feet.

Even if Young never becomes a stellar passer, he has just enough passing ability even now to will his team to victory.

Combine what throwing ability he has with his running and leadership, and you have a winner. Haven't they won like 6 of their last 8, or 7 of their last 9?

I'm just glad we faced him when we did.

He's their Romo right now. Their coach was on the verge of getting canned, they were perceived as the league's worst team (or one of the bottom three) when he took over; suddenly, their whole outlook has changed.

I'll agree Young is not yet a complete player. But he's already a much better passer than I anticipated him being as a rookie.

Frankly, Young looks better as a thrower than does Cutler so far, IMO.

[rexrobinson]

In other words, you got nothing

What exactly do I need?

Your one of the only people here who thinks he is no good and it just so happens your the biggest aggie homer in the universe. Your so transparent on this topic that everyone finds your hate of anything UT related very funny!

ha!

[wick]

Really? He's a great runner, a poor passer. Vick is an even better runner, and a poor passer.

Vince Young is a slower version of Michael Vick, nothing more.

Any analysis of Vince Young that doesn't include a discussion of intangibles is worthless, uninformed commentary.

[calico]

ROFL...wow does that A&M hate run deep!

He's an aggie. They are brainwashed at young ages and love revisionist history. Don't even try reasoning and proving your point with factual information because it is a useless fight.

VY has proven himself over and over again at every level so far. At least Sooners know football and will see past hate to realize talent while aggies will rock in the corner muttering about Bucky, McNeal, and McGee and that "aggie spirit."

[The30YardSlant]

Last 5 weeks for Vince:

58%, 942 passing yards, 5 TD's, 4 INT's

321 rushing yards, 8 yards per carry, 3 TD's.


In his first 5 games as a starter back in 2003 Mike Vick had 4 TDs, 0 INTs, 922 passing yards, 68.5 completion %, a 102 QB rating, 366 rushing yards, 9.15 yards per carry, and 4 rushing TDs

My mistake, Vince Young is far worse than Mike was in his first year as a starter

[The30YardSlant]

Any analysis of Vince Young that doesn't include a discussion of intangibles is worthless, uninformed commentary.

Mike Vick was pretty clutch in college as well

[jimmy40]

Yeah, I wear longhorn T-shirts to my classes at UT. I'm a bandwagon student of THE University of Texas.Speaking of T-shirts, I saw a guy wearing one at Post Oak Mall here in College Station that had a picture of the aggie dog with it's legs cut off and it sad "Saw em off". I almost dropped my ice cream dots I was laughing so hard.

[rantanamo]

LMAO at this Aggy. You'd rather be an Aggie than the National Champs? You'd rather have pretty stats than win ball games? Vince is a rookie, that many of us have watched since high school. He continues to do what he does year in, year out at every level. Everyone continues to say what he can't do and he just gets better and better. Are you mad because he continues to have success at every level?

[The30YardSlant]

Even if Young never becomes a stellar passer, he has just enough passing ability even now to will his team to victory.

And when teams actually gameplan around his running ability, he is worthless.

Combine what throwing ability he has with his running and leadership, and you have a winner. Haven't they won like 6 of their last 8, or 7 of their last 9?

You act like he is all Tennessee has. They have more young talent than maybe anyone in football and a coach who is hated on for no reason.

I'm just glad we faced him when we did.

No, you're glad we gameplanned around his running ability, rendering him all but worthless. Amazing how that works.

He's their Romo right now. Their coach was on the verge of getting canned, they were perceived as the league's worst team (or one of the bottom three) when he took over; suddenly, their whole outlook has changed.

Please don't make me compare Young to Romo, for your sake

I'll agree Young is not yet a complete player.

THAT'S take a real leap of faith :rolleyes:

But he's already a much better passer than I anticipated him being as a rookie.

What did you anticipate? A 40% completion rate? :lmao:

Frankly, Young looks better as a thrower than does Cutler so far, IMO.

That's not saying much

[Danny White]

This thread is like a train wreck that you can see coming from a mile away. From the moment I started this thread, I knew where it was going (provided that HH was online) and to see it get there in all of its glory is a beautiful thing. :D

[jimmy40]

And threads like this continue why the national perception of UT is that of a bunch of liberal queers. You couldnt possibly be riding VY's nuts any harder.About 1/1,000,000th as hard as you were riding McNeals after that all star game. What was that game again? The one that proved McNeal was a can't miss star NFL qb?

[SALADIN]

How McNeal doing? Whens his trial date set for?

:muttley:

[The30YardSlant]

LMAO at this Aggy. You'd rather be an Aggie than the National Champs? You'd rather have pretty stats than win ball games? Vince is a rookie, that many of us have watched since high school. He continues to do what he does year in, year out at every level. Everyone continues to say what he can't do and he just gets better and better. Are you mad because he continues to have success at every level?

I'd rather be an upstanding "aggy" at their worst than a fairweather Longhorn at their best, yes.

[The30YardSlant]

This thread is like a train wreck that you can see coming from a mile away. From the moment I started this thread, I knew where it was going (provided that HH was online) and to see it get there in all of its glory is a beautiful thing. :D

What can I say, it's fun. :D

All this thread has done is prove my point. I've got stats and tangible evidence, they've got deragatory comments about A&M. Perhaps when they realize that calling me a sheep humper and an overall inferior being doesnt phase me in the least, this thread will end , because they have nothing else.

[The30YardSlant]

What exactly do I need?

Something more than biased opinions and A&M jokes

[Crown Royal]

I have only actually watched one game in these games that he has won - the Colts game.

He is playing well - better than I thought. But this thread is about 2 years premature. We can crown him later if he continues to improve.

But right now - he is only showing flashes. He still has some holes, accuracy issues, etc. He also has not beat any really good defenses that know how to keep disciplined in their rushing lanes.

I never said he'd be a bust, but I maintain that he has a ways to go. I am not going to crown him because UT fans desperatly need a legitimate star in the NFL.

[rantanamo]

Excuse, I'm a Texas-Ex aka, Longhorn fan for life. A school that can actually fill its stadium on a regular basis.

Funny that you mention Tennessee having more young talent than anyone. Is that a joke? LOL. This is a team that was considered no talent and going nowhere. You simply don't understand the psychological effect that Vince has on a team. Its likely you'll ignore that even veterans were praising his leadership and command early on. They keep winning. I mean what else can you say. He's just a rookie and will get better. His own history says so. Please end the Merril Hoge act.

[The30YardSlant]

I have only actually watched one game in these games that he has won - the Colts game.

He is playing well - better than I thought. But this thread is about 2 years premature. We can crown him later if he continues to improve.

But right now - he is only showing flashes. He still has some holes, accuracy issues, etc. He also has not beat any really good defenses that know how to keep disciplined in their rushing lanes.

I never said he'd be a bust, but I maintain that he has a ways to go. I am not going to crown him because UT fans desperatly need a legitimate star in the NFL.

:lmao2:

[Crown Royal]

:lmao2:

Why are you laughing?

He's already surpassed Dat Nguyen and will soon overtake the great Aaron Glenn.:cool:

[rantanamo]

I don't think anyone is crowning him anything. I think most are just surprised he's continuing to do it at the NFL level. That guy has always been special at WINNING football games. I think people who don't follow his teams don't get that. They just see a tall guy that can run. They don't see the weekly improvement he's shown since his soph year in high school. They don't see how much teammates love the guy. They don't see how older teammates and coaching staffs respect the guy. I don't know where his career will go, but based on history I imagine it will involve improvement and figuring things out. That's just what he does.

[ThreeSportStar80]

If the draft were to be redone today, I'm pretty sure everyone would agree Vince Young A.K.A. Mr. Showtime would be the number one overall pick and I don't think this draft class was bad at all, it's just how good Vince Young WILL be in three or four years! WOW!:eek:

[Fan Since 77]

I'm waiting for you to make an argument that has merit. So far you haven't said anything that requires any defense.

I'm sorry that Vince upsets you, but everybody knows why.

And it doesn't matter what everybody says because your blind love for all things aggy won't let you see another side of the argument

[The30YardSlant]

A school that can actually fill its stadium on a regular basis.

And that stadium is at best the 5th loudest in the Big XII. When you fill a stadium with 30,000 people each week who didnt even attend the university that tends to be the case.

[J-DOG]

It's comical to see Houston fans in the stands high-fiving and cheering Vince Young after he just scored the game-winning TD!

Think there's a little regret from the Texan fans there?
That's why they are the Texans!

Kubiak is like Shanahann and thinks you can put any rb in there and gain yds.

That's why they did not draft Bush.

Vince Young??? They made another great talent evaluation and hitched thier wagon to David Carr.

It's funny!:lmao2:

[The30YardSlant]

If the draft were to be redone today, I'm pretty sure everyone would agree Vince Young A.K.A. Mr. Showtime would be the number one overall pick and I don't think this draft class was bad at all, it's just how good Vince Young WILL be in three or four years! WOW!:eek:

I doubt anyone would take Young over Bush, especially since RBs are far less likely to bust than QBs.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Yeah that made no sense. Nathan Vasher... Roy Williams...

Than you have two of the better DTs in the league, Shaun Rogers & Casey Hampton...

Quentin Jammer coming on for the Chargers now...

Benson hasnt had his shot.

[Crown Royal]

I don't think anyone is crowning him anything. I think most are just surprised he's continuing to do it at the NFL level. That guy has always been special at WINNING football games. I think people who don't follow his teams don't get that. They just see a tall guy that can run. They don't see the weekly improvement he's shown since his soph year in high school. They don't see how much teammates love the guy. They don't see how older teammates and coaching staffs respect the guy. I don't know where his career will go, but based on history I imagine it will involve improvement and figuring things out. That's just what he does.


I don't really disagree with any of this - except the first part. Go read the beginning of this thread or any number of the threads in the NFL zone. Everytime he wins a game, the UT fans come out of the woodwork to tell about the greatness of Young.

I think he looks pretty good right now, and most definitely agree that he has that thing that just allows him to win. But sooner or later, you have to put your talent and ability into structured mechanics and combine it with that knack, especially at this level.

[The30YardSlant]

I'm waiting for you to make an argument that has merit. So far you haven't said anything that requires any defense.

I have, but again, you are either too blind or too ignorant to see it. Factual stats > Biased opinions

[ThreeSportStar80]

I doubt anyone would take Young over Bush, especially since RBs are far less likely to bust than QBs.

Doubt it, teams need franchise QB's over running backs...they put fans in the seats more so...

[The30YardSlant]

Doubt it, teams need franchise QB's over running backs...they put fans in the seats more so...

Perhaps because it was Houston, but anywhere else, Reggie Bush would have put many more fans in the stands. He is the flashiest player to come out of college...well, ever.

[Crown Royal]

Yeah that made no sense. Nathan Vasher... Roy Williams...

Than you have two of the better DTs in the league, Shaun Rogers & Casey Hampton...

Quentin Jammer coming on for the Chargers now...

Benson hasnt had his shot.


DTs aren't super stars, Vasher is pretty good, but is not to 'elite.' Williams is a fantastic player, but he isn't up there yet.

[Fan Since 77]

. Factual stats > Biased opinions

Am I the only person that sees the irony in that statement? Golden.

Fact Question: What is the record of the Titans with Vince Young?

[The30YardSlant]

Am I the only person that sees the irony in that statement? Golden.

The fact that you see any irony in that statement just further poves your ignorance. You have yet to state one fact in this thread. I gave you Vince Young's FACTUAL numbers, backed up my comparison of him to Vick with Vick's FACTUAL numbers, and you convienently ignored all of it.

[Fan Since 77]

The fact that you see any irony in that statement just further poves your ignorance. You have yet to state one fact in this thread. I gave you Vince Young's FACTUAL numbers, backed up my comparison of him to Vick with Vick's FACTUAL numbers, and you convienently ignored all of it.

You can't even begin to compare Vick and Young's situation. Two different teams. Vick had a better team when he started out.

[Alexander]

Doubt it, teams need franchise QB's over running backs...they put fans in the seats more so...

Heroics aside, are you prepared to say he is a "franchise QB" already?

I am not.

I think today was his second highest yardage output of the season and he is a fifty percent passer. That's not quite franchise material.

I cannot say I would choose him first. Now Houston should have. But that is another story.

[braw]

I have, but again, you are either too blind or too ignorant to see it. Factual stats > Biased opinions

Until your team wins a National Championship or a Big 12 championship then speak your mind until then Shut up. The thread clearly states Vince Young, if you don't like him tuff. Comparing to Mike Vick, who has never won anything anywhere is not even close.

Trying to predict the future of Vince makes you childish. Because NFL owners pay people millions to do that and they get it wrong. This is a results sport and that is what matters. Tell the Bronco fans today that wait 3 yrs before they see their golden boy win(because he is a better passer).

[The30YardSlant]

Until your team wins a National Championship or a Big 12 championship then speak your mind until then Shut up.

Texas A&M:
1939 National Champions
1998 Big XII Champions

http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/caveman_1.jpg

Next time, maybe do a little research :lmao:

The thread clearly states Vince Young, if you don't like him tuff. Comparing to Mike Vick, who has never won anything anywhere is not even close.

Mike Vick has won a playoff game in the NFL. Vince Young has not. College is irrelavent at this point.

Trying to predict the future of Vince makes you childish.

No, you stating lies and fallacies in a desperate attempt to prove some asinine point is childish

[The30YardSlant]

You can't even begin to compare Vick and Young's situation.

I can, and I did. You chose to ignore it because it interrupts your wet dreams of Radio.

[DBoys]

HH31 give it a rest and quit trying to bash a good football player.

[The30YardSlant]

HH31 give it a rest and quit trying to bash a good football player.

When he stops playing runnignback and learns to to throw, I will.

[Alexander]

http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/caveman_1.jpg

Next time, maybe do a little research

:laugh2:

[Fan Since 77]

:laugh2:

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Heavy, you are simply ignoring the success Vince is having and you are desperately trying to search for comparisons so you can feel better.

Why don't you stop comparing Vince to Vick because his success has NOTHING to do with Vick.

Again, what is the Titans record with Vince Young. Are you being blind and ignorant to this question?

[TwoSteppinJJ]

1939 National Champs :laugh1::laugh2::lmao::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:

Oh god back to the days of Cowboys N Indians! Freaking Ancient history...

[J-DOG]

Texas A&M:
1939 National Champions
1998 Big XII Champions

http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/caveman_1.jpg

Next time, maybe do a little research :lmao:



Mike Vick has won a playoff game in the NFL. Vince Young has not. College is irrelavent at this point.



No, you stating lies and fallacies in a desperate attempt to prove some asinine point is childish
Most GM's in the NFL if given the choice of Vick or Vince Young would choose Vince.

I know that is my own opinion but Vick has had year's to figure it out and still can not.

Don't get me started on how they are as leaders. Not even close.

Vick is catered to in Atlanta and they still can not find an offense to be efficient.

As Young learns more his completion percentage will go up. Vick??? It has stayed the same or worse.

Atlanta has much more talent than Tenessee and still Vince finds a way.

No comparison!

[braw]

Texas A&M:
1939 National Champions
1998 Big XII Champions

http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/caveman_1.jpg

Next time, maybe do a little research :lmao:



Mike Vick has won a playoff game in the NFL. Vince Young has not. College is irrelavent at this point.



No, you stating lies and fallacies in a desperate attempt to prove some asinine point is childish

Cut and paste both titles is great.But Vince did it himself, yet the great Blog champion HH, needs to cut down the man that did. One playoff win does not make you a winner. Quit grasping at straws, how can Vince win a playoff game if the season is not over with.

[The30YardSlant]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Heavy, you are simply ignoring the success Vince is having and you are desperately trying to search for comparisons so you can feel better.

Why don't you stop comparing Vince to Vick because his success has NOTHING to do with Vick.

Again, what is the Titans record with Vince Young. Are you being blind and ignorant to this question?

Wow, you missed that one completely. :lmao:

[The30YardSlant]

Cut and paste both titles is great.But Vince did it himself, yet the great Blog champion HH, needs to cut down the man that did. One playoff win does not make you a winner. Quit grasping at straws, how can Vince win a playoff game if the season is not over with.

Josh Heupal was as cool and collected as any QB I've ever seen and won a MNC at OU. How'd his NFL career go?

College means nothing anymore.

[The30YardSlant]

1939 National Champs :laugh1::laugh2::lmao::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:

Oh god back to the days of Cowboys N Indians! Freaking Ancient history...

Nice to know history only goes back as far as it doesnt make one look a fool

[Fan Since 77]

Wow, you missed that one completely. :lmao:

exactly the response I expected. You can't even bring yourself to type it out. It pains you, like watching the longhorns win a national championship pained you.

Poooooor Aggy.

[The30YardSlant]

exactly the response I expected. You can't even bring yourself to type it out. It pains you, like watching the longhorns win a national championship pained you.

Poooooor Aggy.

:lmao: :lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2:

Oh , this is great. I'll let you make a fool of yourself for a few more posts before I tell you what you are so clearly missing.

[DBoys]

Josh Heupal was as cool and collected as any QB I've ever seen and won a MNC at OU. How'd his NFL career go?

College means nothing anymore.

You give one example and that proves it without a doubt?

College means nothing thats why Romo went undrafted and Vince went top 3 right?

[Bob Sacamano]

Heavy, you may be the forum's equivalent to TO

you keep sucking them in

people, it's obvious you can't change Heavy's opinion on this one

[The30YardSlant]

You give one example and that proves it without a doubt?

College means nothing thats why Romo went undrafted right?

No, I mean college success has no bearing on one's NFL career. More often than not great college players bust in the NFL.

[BoysFanInAustin]

In his first 5 games as a starter back in 2003 Mike Vick had 4 TDs, 0 INTs, 922 passing yards, 68.5 completion %, a 102 QB rating, 366 rushing yards, 9.15 yards per carry, and 4 rushing TDs

My mistake, Vince Young is far worse than Mike was in his first year as a starter

That's a great compliment you're giving to Vince since 2003 was Vick's third year in the league and you want to compare his 3rd year stats to a rookie? Nice job there, Aggie

:laugh2:

[The30YardSlant]

Heavy, you may be the forum's equivalent to TO

you keep sucking them in

people, it's obvious you can't change Heavy's opinion on this one

It is somewhat amusing to know that I can turn any everyday thread that I want into a 10+ pager. My puppet strings are wearing thin, however ;)

[braw]

Nice to know history only goes back as far as it doesnt make one look a fool

What is your argument. Again this is a Vince Young thread, why put in your 2 cents(we know you don't like him). You are trying to predict events that have not happened. The last 4 weeks he has helped the Cowboys by beating the Eagles and Giants. We Cowboy and Longhorn fans thank him for that.

Can you get that through your thick aggie head.

[TEK2000]

Just looked at this page and haven't read the whole thread but it looks to me like an Aggie is refusing to give a Longhorn any credit.

[Bob Sacamano]

Just looked at this page and haven't read the whole thread but it looks to me like an Aggie is refusing to give a Longhorn any credit.

that about sums it up

[The30YardSlant]

That's a great compliment you're giving to Vince since 2003 was Vick's third year in the league and you want to compare his 3rd year stats to a rookie? Nice job there, Aggie

:laugh2:

I actually meant to type 2002, Vick's second year in the league. My mistake.

However, Vick saw almost no playing time in his 1st season. 2002 was, for all intensive purposes, his rookie year. They threw him into the fire just like Tennessee did to VY and he played very well.

[braw]

One aggie fan that watched 12 angry men movie to many times.

[The30YardSlant]

What is your argument. Again this is a Vince Young thread, why put in your 2 cents(we know you don't like him). You are trying to predict events that have not happened. The last 4 weeks he has helped the Cowboys by beating the Eagles and Giants. We Cowboy and Longhorn fans thank him for that.

Can you get that through your thick aggie head.

This has nothing to do with me liking or disliking Vince Young. It has everything to do with me believing he will not be the star in the NFL that he was in college because of his inability to beat teams throwing the football on a consistant basis

[Rack Bauer]

Is HH STILL making a fool of himself in here?


Dang, I've been away for over an hour, I figured he would of wised up by now.


Why on earth would I think he would of wised up by now? I dunno.

[The30YardSlant]

Just looked at this page and haven't read the whole thread but it looks to me like an Aggie is refusing to give a Longhorn any credit.

This is so stupid. Nathan Vasher is a very good player. Roy Williams is a very good player (though I dislike him and his mouth). Quentin Jammer is a good player who is finally coming along after several years of playing bad football. Shaun Rogers and Casey Hampton are two of the 5 best DTs in football.

Vince Young is not a bad football player, in fact from a straight athletic standpoint he is exceptional. He's the guy who always gets picked first on the playfround and the guy you put in when you need an eye popping jolt to your team. The same can be said of most good running QBs.

He is not a franchise quarterback.

[peplaw06]

I actually meant to type 2002, Vick's second year in the league. My mistake.

However, Vick saw almost no playing time in his 1st season. 2002 was, for all intensive purposes, his rookie year. They threw him into the fire just like Tennessee did to VY and he played very well.

Your education -- or lack thereof -- is showing... :laugh2:

[The30YardSlant]

Is HH STILL making a fool of himself in here?


Dang, I've been away for over an hour, I figured he would of wised up by now.


Why on earth would I think he would of wised up by now? I dunno.

Your obsession with me and my every post is mind numbing and slightly frightening

[jimmy40]

Just looked at this page and haven't read the whole thread but it looks to me like an Aggie is refusing to give a Longhorn any credit.We're still trying to figure out why Reggie McNeal isn't starting over Carson Palmer.

[Bob Sacamano]

Your education -- or lack thereof -- is showing... :laugh2:

intents and purposes HH

intents and purposes

[Rack Bauer]

Your education -- or lack thereof -- is showing... :laugh2:

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[jay cee]

I don't want to come across the wrong way but I wouldn't jump the gun on vince young just yet and my reasoning is Mike Vick. Vince young's career seems to be getting off to an earily similar start to vicks career and look at vick now. If you guys recall vick also had his superman type plays early in his career and also won a game in OT via a long run just like young did today (2002 vs vikings ) While I definitely agree young's arm is better than vicks the question is how much better is it. So this post is NOT to say vince young WONT become the real deal and its NOT taking anything away from what young has done thus far because he has been amazing. THis situation just really reminds me of how every1 was all over vick when he was young and now look at him.

The problems with Vick started when his new coach decided to go with a West Coast offense. Anyone with any football knowledge realized that Vick would struggle in that offense, and he has.

[The30YardSlant]

that about sums it up

There's a difference between not giving one any credit and saying one will never become a franchise QB in the NFL. I acknowledged his run today was great, a run maybe 3 QBs in history could have made.

[gbrittain]

I almost feel like dragging up the old posts that proclaimed Vince Young should be drafted as a WR.

How great / not great Vince Young will become remains to be seen, but he certainly has proved that he deserves a shot to be a NFL QB.

Those who said he is not even a poor man's Michael Vick were obviously way off. Michael Vick is a poor man's Vince Young.

No question I would rather have VY than MV. Michael Vick has reached his ceiling there is no telling how great Vince could become.

I am not even a Longhorn. I am a University of Houston grad. Watch out for Kerry Kolb!:D

[peplaw06]

intents and purposes HH

intents and purposes

No dude, they're extreme purposes... Or very involved purposes...

INTENSIVE!!! ;)

[BoysFanInAustin]

I actually meant to type 2002, Vick's second year in the league. My mistake.

However, Vick saw almost no playing time in his 1st season. 2002 was, for all intensive purposes, his rookie year. They threw him into the fire just like Tennessee did to VY and he played very well.


So he wasn't exactly thrown into the fire since 2001, his rookie year, was basically a redshirt year. Even though his stats show he played in 8 games his rookie year with 2 starts. Although most of his rookie season, he was splitting snaps with Chris Chandler. So in 2002, the year he was "thrown into the fire", he already had 8 games of limited playing time under his belt.

Meanwhile Vince, has played in almost every game this year, started all but 3. Vince has been thrown into the fire moreson than Vick. Who knows. Maybe if he started opening day, he would have learned faster and Tennessee might have had a legitimate shot at the playoffs. As it is, Tennessee is a longshot as it is tough to get into the playoffs with a 9-7 (which is the best Tenn can do) in the AFC. But if Tennessee finishes above .500 with a rookie at QB, that's an accomplishment within itself.

[Bob Sacamano]

There's a difference between not giving one any credit and saying one will never become a franchise QB in the NFL.

so the same as having a crystal ball

and not having a crystal ball?

[Rack Bauer]

The problems with Vick started when his new coach decided to go with a West Coast offense. Anyone with any football knowledge realized that Vick would struggle in that offense, and he has.

Vick was gonna struggle in ANY offense... except maybe the flexbone.

[The30YardSlant]

The problems with Vick started when his new coach decided to go with a West Coast offense. Anyone with any football knowledge realized that Vick would struggle in that offense, and he has.

Vick was screwed over by his coaching staff, no question, but a good franchise QB adjusts and does what he has to to learn and adapt to any offense. It almost looks like Vick isnt even trying to learn it.

[The30YardSlant]

so as the same as having a crystal ball

and not having a crystal ball?

I never said you or anyone else had to agree with me, I just backed up my opinion with facts and received nothing but deragatory remarks about A&M in return.

[The30YardSlant]

I almost feel like dragging up the old posts that proclaimed Vince Young should be drafted as a WR.

How great / not great Vince Young will become remains to be seen, but he certainly has proved that he deserves a shot to be a NFL QB.

Those who said he is not even a poor man's Michael Vick were obviously way off. Michael Vick is a poor man's Vince Young.

No question I would rather have VY than MV. Michael Vick has reached his ceiling there is no telling how great Vince could become.

I am not even a Longhorn. I am a University of Houston grad. Watch out for Kerry Kolb!:D

Andre Ware :p:

[Bob Sacamano]

I never said you or anyone else had to agree with me, I just backed up my opinion with facts and received nothing but deragatory remarks about A&M in return.

uh, you haven't given any facts as to why VINCE YOUNG won't develop into a franchise QB

just some facts about other QBs

[gbrittain]

Andre Ware :p:


:laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:


Manny Hazzard!

[WoodysGirl]

I almost feel like dragging up the old posts that proclaimed Vince Young should be drafted as a WR.

How great / not great Vince Young will become remains to be seen, but he certainly has proved that he deserves a shot to be a NFL QB.

Those who said he is not even a poor man's Michael Vick were obviously way off. Michael Vick is a poor man's Vince Young.

No question I would rather have VY than MV. Michael Vick has reached his ceiling there is no telling how great Vince could become.

I am not even a Longhorn. I am a University of Houston grad. Watch out for Kerry Kolb!:D
Go Coogs! ;)

[TEK2000]

I almost feel like dragging up the old posts that proclaimed Vince Young should be drafted as a WR.

How great / not great Vince Young will become remains to be seen, but he certainly has proved that he deserves a shot to be a NFL QB.

Those who said he is not even a poor man's Michael Vick were obviously way off. Michael Vick is a poor man's Vince Young.

No question I would rather have VY than MV. Michael Vick has reached his ceiling there is no telling how great Vince could become.

I am not even a Longhorn. I am a University of Houston grad. Watch out for Kerry Kolb!:D

You mean KEVIN Kolb? :laugh2:

[The30YardSlant]

Who knows. Maybe if he started opening day, he would have learned faster and Tennessee might have had a legitimate shot at the playoffs. As it is, Tennessee is a longshot as it is tough to get into the playoffs with a 9-7 (which is the best Tenn can do) in the AFC. But if Tennessee finishes above .500 with a rookie at QB, that's an accomplishment within itself.

People need to stop acting like Vuince Young is all Tennessee has. They have, and had, a lot of young talent. Sticking a QB back there who didnt get sacked every other play has motivated them. There is no question Vince Yougn gave them a spark, there is a question as to whether or not you can win long term with a guy who can't complete more tha half his pass attempts

[Rack Bauer]

I almost feel like dragging up the old posts that proclaimed Vince Young should be drafted as a WR.

Hell I still think he'd make a good WR. I said he might end up being drafted as a WR after his Sophomore year. Of course he improved greatly his junior year (passing).


He's a good football player. Period. He could end up being a great QB, and if he ended up being a WR, I think he could of been great at that position too.

[WoodysGirl]

You mean KEVIN Kolb? :laugh2:Close enuff. :laugh2:

[J-DOG]

People need to stop acting like Vuince Young is all Tennessee has. They have, and had, a lot of young talent. Sticking a QB back there who didnt get sacked every other play has motivated them. There is no question Vince Yougn gave them a spark, there is a question as to whether or not you can win long term with a guy who can't complete more tha half his pass attempts
Vince's completion percentage went up every year he was in college.

That's a fact too...not biased opinion!;)

[The30YardSlant]

uh, you haven't given any facts as to why VINCE YOUNG won't develop into a franchise QB

just some facts about other QBs

Actually, I did:

He can't beat teams with his arm. Yeah, he won the game today, but look at his passing stats:

50.2 completion %
10 TD
11 INT
63.5 QB Rating

Comparing him to Vick was just one example of how a guy can look great to begin with, only to have his inability to hit open receivers on a consistant basis be his downfall.

We've seen in the NFL, time and again, how accuracy, or lack thereof is what does QBs in. Many QBs have had success with weak arms but great accuracy, where as guys who can throw it a country mile (Jeff George, David Klinger, Mike Vick, etc.) have flopped because they couldnt hit the open man. If Vince Young had great accuracy but a weak arm, we wouldnt be having this discussion. All he would need to be is accurate and get the ball out to open guys when he cant run.

[The30YardSlant]

I really believe Vince Young could have been one of the WRs EVER had he gone that route. He is 6'6" with a 40" vert and 4.5 speed who can break tackles.

[LaTunaNostra]

This thread is like a train wreck that you can see coming from a mile away. From the moment I started this thread, I knew where it was going (provided that HH was online) and to see it get there in all of its glory is a beautiful thing. :D

Haha, Danny.

And when I saw how many pages this thread had gotten to, I knew HH was in on it. :laugh2:

Just one comment, and I will parrot Dale's:

I am happy we played the Titans when we did, too.

[gbrittain]

You mean KEVIN Kolb? :laugh2:

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

Yeah, that the ticket.

[gbrittain]

Go Coogs! ;)

You have some love for the Coogs!:bow:

[The30YardSlant]

Vince's completion percentage went up every year he was in college.

That's a fact too...not biased opinion!;)

Yes, because, by Mack Brown's own admission, they change the offense to cover up Vince Young's sub par accuracy. 70% of his throws went to the TE or RBs. Texas was 3rd in the nation last year in run after the catch yardage, which is how he got his yards per completion up so high

[Alexander]

exactly the response I expected. You can't even bring yourself to type it out. It pains you, like watching the longhorns win a national championship pained you.

Poooooor Aggy.

I realize you are all bumping chests about the bragging rights to Texas, but I think HH's comparison to Vick is not that far off. I think in time, Young will be better than Vick, especially passing. But to imply he is a franchise QB already is the product of an overactive imagination which is more than a little fueled by some homerism.

[gbrittain]

Hell I still think he'd make a good WR. I said he might end up being drafted as a WR after his Sophomore year. Of course he improved greatly his junior year (passing).


He's a good football player. Period. He could end up being a great QB, and if he ended up being a WR, I think he could of been great at that position too.

Sophmore year is one thing, but I know you remember those proclaiming that days before the draft. I don't remember you being one of them.

[jimmy40]

People need to stop acting like Vuince Young is all Tennessee has. They have, and had, a lot of young talent. Sticking a QB back there who didnt get sacked every other play has motivated them. There is no question Vince Yougn gave them a spark, there is a question as to whether or not you can win long term with a guy who can't complete more tha half his pass attemptsI didn't hear anyone talking about all this talent two months ago. Next year they have like 10 picks and $40,000,000 to play with from what I heard. The future looks very bright especially since they drafted their franchise QB this year.

Pac man is a very exiting young talent although he seems to have an extremely large helmet, kind of reminds me of Spaceballs.

[The30YardSlant]

I realize you are all bumping chests about the bragging rights to Texas, but I think HH's comparison to Vick is not that far off. I think in time, Young will be better than Vick, especially passing. But to imply he is a franchise QB already is the product of an overactive imagination which is more than a little fueled by some homerism.

Bingo. Whether you chose to believe Young will get better or not isnt as big an issue with me as saying he is already worthy of all this praise as a great QB. I personally don't believe he will develop into a good passer, but thre is no debate about his lack of accuracy thus far.

[Rack Bauer]

Sophmore year is one thing, but I know you remember those proclaiming that days before the draft. I don't remember you being one of them.

Not before this draft. But I did say I thought he'd make a great WR after his Soph year.


All he really has to do is work his arse off in the film room, and on this throwing motion. Everything else will take care of itself IMO.

[jay cee]

Vick was gonna struggle in ANY offense... except maybe the flexbone.

I can't tell what would have happened, I only know what did happen.

Vick really looked good his 2nd year (1st yr as starter), got hurt his 3rd yr, and has struggled since Mora came in with the WCO.

[The30YardSlant]

I didn't hear anyone talking about all this talent two months ago. Next year they have like 10 picks and $40,000,000 to play with from what I heard. The future looks very bright especially since they drafted their franchise QB this year.

Pac man is a very exiting young talent although he seems to have an extremely large helmet, kind of reminds me of Spaceballs.

Motivation brings out the best in all of us

[TEK2000]

Those stats HH dropped about Vince Young are better than Eli Manning's rookie season.

Just to put things in perspective.

[jimmy40]

I realize you are all bumping chests about the bragging rights to Texas, but I think HH's comparison to Vick is not that far off. I think in time, Young will be better than Vick, especially passing. But to imply he is a franchise QB already is the product of an overactive imagination which is more than a little fueled by some homerism.No more than Romo being Dallas fanchise QB after 6 games right?

[The30YardSlant]

Those stats HH dropped about Vince Young are better than Eli Manning's rookie season.

Just to put things in perspective.

The very fact that you are comparing Young to Eli speaks volumes :laugh2:

[The30YardSlant]

No more than Romo being Dallas fanchise QB after 6 games right?

Tony Romo is proving he can beat teams with his arm. Vince Young is not.

[TEK2000]

The very fact that you are comparing Young to Eli speaks volumes :laugh2:

I know right.. because NO ONE ever considered him to be a viable NFL QB huh? :rolleyes:

[The30YardSlant]

I know right.. because NO ONE ever considered him to be a viable NFL QB huh? :rolleyes:

And he turned out to not be a viable NFL QB

Thanks for proving my point

[J-DOG]

Yes, because, by Mack Brown's own admission, they change the offense to cover up Vince Young's sub par accuracy. 70% of his throws went to the TE or RBs. Texas was 3rd in the nation last year in run after the catch yardage, which is how he got his yards per completion up so high
If it was that simple then defenses would be able to stop it.

Go ask Pete Carroll how easy it was to stop the Longhorn offense.

I know they preach the hatred of UT at A&M like the the Middle East preaches the hatred of Americans, but don't drink the kool-aid dude.

College is over and it's OK to admit it. Vince Young is one bad dude. Accept it and you will feel better.

You should be happy that he left early and allowed the Ags the chance to win a game against Texas. You own him a debt of gratitude. :bow:

[J-DOG]

I realize you are all bumping chests about the bragging rights to Texas, but I think HH's comparison to Vick is not that far off. I think in time, Young will be better than Vick, especially passing. But to imply he is a franchise QB already is the product of an overactive imagination which is more than a little fueled by some homerism.
By that logic then nobody coming into the draft is a franchise qb.

I don't buy that spin. There is a reason qb's are taken high in the draft.

Because they can be franchise type qb's. Vince Young is showing he can be.

[lane]

i see how a few of you are passing the time till the game starts.

[SA_Gunslinger]

OK, will the Horns fans take the bait?

10 bucks says they will. :D



i'd rather reply to a poster i can respect, like yourself, than someone who just flat out embarasses himself with his inability to be objective.

i wonder how different a certain poster (really, he doesn't even deserve to have his name mentioned) would feel if vince young had chosen a different texas school to attend?

lucky for us vince has taste. :D

that performance today was just another chapter in the ever growing legend of vince young, and you don't have to like it, but you certainly can't deny it.

[jimmy40]

Try watching HH. VY has moved teams up and down the field in come from behind games the last three weeks by running AND throwing. There is no saying VY is no fanchise QB and saying Romo is after 6 games. There's no defending that and I knew it would get this thread moved.

[TEK2000]

And he turned out to not be a viable NFL QB

Thanks for proving my point

In your own little world.. sure.

Okay.. lets try this.

Vince Young passing stats as a rookie:
50.2% comp. pct, 10 TD's, 10 INT's, 64.8 passer rating

Troy Aikman passing stats as a rookie:
52.9% completion pct, 9 TD's, 18 INT's, 55.7 passer rating


I fully expect you to respond with some lame excuses to qualify that Vince Young has a lot more talent surrounding him.. but don't forget that Aikman had Michael Irvin (for a portion of that season) and Kelvin Martin that season.

EDIT: To everyone... I'm not attempting to imply that Vince Young is or will ever become the level of QB that Troy Aikman was.. its just a rookie season comparison ONLY.

[Fan Since 77]

Tony Romo is proving he can beat teams with his arm. Vince Young is not.

*** does it matter what part of his body he beats teams with?
I'm glad you exposed yourself in this thread HH.

[The30YardSlant]

*** does it matter what part of his body he beats teams with?

You're joking, right? :lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao:

[SA_Gunslinger]

*** does it matter what part of his body he beats teams with?
I'm glad you exposed yourself in this thread HH.



let's go ask USC.

:lmao2:

[Timbo2st]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/f93afd5b-d24d-46c1-8130-84c9dfbcbb9c.jpg

[BrAinPaiNt]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/f93afd5b-d24d-46c1-8130-84c9dfbcbb9c.jpg

Is that HH31 in the middle holding the camera with the goofy look on his face? ;)

[cowboyz]

his passes look pretty accurate to me. seems like more passes are dropped than bad throws.

the only deficiency i see is really slinging it in there, he tends to be the opposite of vick and try to throw a very catchable ball, but sometimes you gotta just trust your wr will catch the tough pass.

i think his downside is mcnabb if his accuracy doesn't improve.

[joseephuss]

Vince's carrer could go either way. He has shown some flashes that he can be a very good QB. He has also shown that he can struggle in the NFL. Pretty typical for a rookie QB. There is no way for me to predict that he will indeed be either great or a bust. I just would not bet against him. He just seems to have that will to succeed. He is a success right now in that he is helping the Titans win. This team was not predicted to do to much of that this season. The defense is not solid and there really are no stand out receivers on the team. Bennett is the best of the bunch, but is not a super star.

The Titans are getting the most out of Vince Young thus far in his career. It is up to him to improve his passing to really elevate his game. That goes for every young QB. They all have to learn to read the defense quickly and correctly, spot the open receivers and make accurate throws. Some QBs just don't get good enough in those areas to really become a force in the NFL. And most don't have the athletic abilities to make something happen when they don't get the ball downfield.

Don't annoint Vince Young just yet. Don't absolutely state that he won't improve his passing either. Some guys do get better. Most experts said it would take Vince about 3 to 4 seasons to develop as a passer. I think he is ahead of that curve as a passer, but that still does not make him good yet. I look forward to seeing him grow.

[joseephuss]

In 6 wins
86 completions
151 attempts
57.0%
979 yards
6.48 YPA
7 TDs
3 INTs
83.7 rating

4th quarter(his best)
48 completions
95 attempts
50.5%
531 yards
5.59 YPA
5 TDs
2 INTs
76.3 rating

Not great, but not bad for a rookie. Of course in his losses, the numbers are very bad. Again, he is a rookie and that can be expected.

[DallasCowpoke]

However, Vick saw almost no playing time in his 1st season. 2002 was, for all intensive purposes, his rookie year. They threw him into the fire just like Tennessee did to VY and he played very well.

:laugh1: Malaprop much HH?

If anyone ever needs a good reference as to what it means to be aggie, see above.

[Danny White]

Sorry, but this was too funny to not post in this thread.

Vince=Uncle Rico :lmao2:

I saw it over at Soonerfans.com from the_ouskull...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/sichuevos/VinceYouncleRico.gif