OT: Ladanian Tomlinson's records--worthless w/visor!,

[StevenOtero]

When Casey Martin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Martin) asked the PGA to let him use a golf cart, they said no. Part of the game (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=514177&st=0#) is walking, so he had to take them to court to get it out of them.

Guess what? Part of being a running back or receiver (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=514177&st=0#) is the fact that your opponents can see your eyes. Now, Mr. Visor is shattering records because his opponents have no idea what he's looking at; they can't defend receptions because they don't know where the ball is coming from, they can't see if they have help behind them on runs.

Yeah, he's got a doctor's prescription to wear a dark tinted visor, but I don't see him on the sidelines wearing sunglasses. Does he have some magical medical condition that allows his eyes to work normally when he crosses the out of bounds line?

Having a medical condition doesn't entitle you to unfair advantages. Ask Troy Aikman if they allowed him to have flags so he didn't get tackled. Ask Casey Martin if he the PGA give him a cart without being forced by law to do so. What's next? A short NBA player with stilts? Free and indefinite timeouts when a player gets a migraine? There are a lot of NFL players that are not going to be happy that Ladainian Tomlinson is shattering all their hard-earned records with an advantage that few if any other player gets.

It wouldn't be so bad if he weren't already a phenomenal player, but the visor gives him just enough edge to make him more than human.
I never thought of this!

[theogt]

I never thought of this!If that truly is the case, then he deserves even more praise for thinking of it.

[Bryan8284]

Wow

Bit of a stretch, but the visor is a bit "cheap."

[Heisenberg]

Eh, don't buy it. I just think he's by far the best player in the NFL right now and there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do to stop him. To say that his visor is somehow playing a part in it, no. Like I said, I just don't buy it.

[Bleu Star]

I never thought of this!

Wow. That's a major hate post right there. sure, There's a bit of a point in the post but it's really coming from an envious point of view. Funny.

[Hostile]

I never thought of this!Thank heavens you didn't. That politically correct bastid ought to be taken out behind the woodshed and made to cry for real.

[gbrittain]

Whoever came up with that is pretty lame. Must be a San Diego division rival whinning.

[sacase]

actually it prevents the defense from reading his eyes. I think the NFL needs to have independent docs instead of the players own.

[smarta5150]

What's next? A short NBA player with stilts?

This is one of the most amusing things I have read in awhile.

LT wears a visor cause he gets migraines apparently.

Like Bryan said thought... thats a bit of a stretch.

I think visors just look cool.

[AbeBeta]

So. Would any of you not trade our RB tandem for LT?

No?

So shut up - just sit back and enjoy the best back in the game.

Like other backs (see Faulk, Marshall), he has an uphill battle to become the top overall RB in league history. But if over the next 6 years he can repeat what he's done in his first 6 -- then we all need to recognize him as the best.

[EastDallasCowboy]

It does prevent players from watching his eyes....its a valid point.

[03EBZ06]

Man, that is reaching. Unless there is a NFL rule against wearing tinted visor, I don't see anything wrong with it.

[smarta5150]

Man, that is reaching. Unless there is a NFL rule against wearing tinted visor, I don't see anything wrong with it.

There is.

LT was medically cleared to.

[stag hunter]

If he didnt have one, do you really think guys would be tackling LT in the open field more easily? The game moves so fast that no one is able to react fast enough to where someones eyes are directed that it would give them any real advantage in tackling him. It's true that you can tell the ball is about to be caught when a receivers eyes widen, but how many deep routes is LT running where he's catching the ball over the shoulder that that would make any difference? This is one of the dumbest, least thought out posts I've read before

[Jimz31]

There is.

LT was medically cleared to.

But the point made in the little article was that he doesn't wear any shades or anything while he doesn't have his helmet on or anything....it seems his eyes only hurt if he has a helmet on..... :D

[smarta5150]

But the opint made in the little article was that he doesn't wear any shades or anything while he doesn't have his helmet on or anything....it seems his eyes only hurt if he has a helmet on..... :D


Also... he keeps it on at night.

I could see the sun affecting him but stadium lighting?

[zrinkill]

LT is the greatest back since Emmitt ......

Nothing wrong with giving the kid his props.

[smarta5150]

LT is the greatest back since Emmitt ......

Nothing wrong with giving the kid his props.

I thought the article was nothing more that amusing.

I wish more guys were allowed to wear the dark tint.

Looks bad ***.

[SALADIN]

:rolleyes:

I'm sure that LT is not the only player who has worn a dark visor. Now, if all of sudden the RB's, WR's, & QB's who have worn the dark visors ended up as All Pro's over the last 10 years then you may have an argument. But that has hardly been the case.

Besides, that cat is so quick of his cuts, he could eyes sticking out of the top of his helmet and they still wouldn't get to him.

:cool:

[smarta5150]

:rolleyes:

I'm sure that LT is not the only player who has worn a dark visor. Now, if all of sudden the RB's, WR's, & QB's who have worn the dark visors ended up as All Pro's over the last 10 years then you may have an argument. But that has hardly been the case.

Besides, that cat is so quick of his cuts, he could eyes sticking out of the top of his helmet and they still wouldn't get to him.

:cool:

I want Branch pretty badly.

[smarta5150]

Canty deserves his tinted visor.

He got his retina detached from a beer bottle.

Did LT ever experience that?

[The30YardSlant]

So not only is he the most talented back to ever play the game, but he is also a brilliant strategist

[The30YardSlant]

LT is the greatest back since Emmitt ......

Nothing wrong with giving the kid his props.

He's better than Emmitt

When all is said and done and LT's career is over, the discussion of the best RB ever will begin and end with #21

[Bob Sacamano]

a visor is worn to protect your eyes from being gouged out, and RBs are more at risk of that happening than any other player IMO, or up there w/ them

this is just nit-picking

[zrinkill]

He's better than Emmitt

When all is said and done and LT's career is over, the discussion of the best RB ever will begin and end with #21

Sorry buddy .... I do not believe that at all. People said the same thing about Terrell Davis ....... and we see how that turned out.

[Bob Sacamano]

So not only is he the most talented back to ever play the game, but he is also a brilliant strategist

he sure as hell aint no Aggie

[smarta5150]

a visor is worn to protect your eyes from being gouged out, and RBs are more at risk of that happening than any other player IMO, or he's up there

this is just nit-picking

And they can wear clear visors.

Tinted needs permission.

[Bob Sacamano]

And they can wear clear visors.

Tinted needs permission.

then he received permission

[SALADIN]

I want Branch pretty badly.

Its a long shot but 6'6 330 DT/NT who camp out in the backfield like he does don't last long in the draft.

Good thing he doesn't wear a dark visor...dude would go #1 over all :p:

[smarta5150]

then he received permission

I know I know.

But it is kind of un-nessassary in night games I think.

I honestly dont think it gives him much of an edge if any.

The guy is a machine no matter what.

[jrumann59]

If defenders are watching his eyes they still won't get to him. Unless he stares into the direction he is supposed to run the visor isn't giving him any advantage.

[smarta5150]

Its a long shot but 6'6 330 DT/NT who camp out in the backfield like he does don't last long in the draft.

Good think he doesn't wear a dark visor...dude would go #1 over all :p:

Not being a homer, well maybe a little, but I wouldnt mind LaMar Woodley either.

[Timbo2st]

I don't think there is anything wrong with a visor. Makes the player look .

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7252/bdawk2tb.png

[smarta5150]

If defenders are watching his eyes they still won't get to him. Unless he stares into the direction he is supposed to run the visor isn't giving him any advantage.

D-backs and LBs watches a QB's eyes all the time and create turnovers in doing so.

If QBs started wearing them would it be an advantage for them?

[smarta5150]

I don't think there is anything wrong with a visor. Makes the player look .

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7252/bdawk2tb.png

Write it down.

My one and only time agreeing with you.

[Timbo2st]

Write it down.

My one and only time agreeing with you.

Yea, I'd rather not.

[smarta5150]

Yea, I'd rather not.

Whatever.

I have a better pic for you.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c370/ghettoted/carddawk.jpg

[theogt]

Looks like a 12 year old you just got a computer did that photoshop.

[smarta5150]

Looks like a 12 year old you just got a computer did that photoshop.

Was My Spaced.

[Gordon]

http://espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/ricky_williams_1.jpg

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/nfl/allsport/dolphins/williams_ricky13.jpg

So there's atleast one more back that wore it.

[Timbo2st]

Whatever.

I have a better pic for you.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c370/ghettoted/carddawk.jpg

Wish that was T.O.

[smarta5150]

Wish that was T.O.

What about AI ?

:lmao:

[SultanOfSix]

Aren't players taught to watch the guys hips anyways?

What a stupid theory. The visor gives absolutely no advantage.

[smarta5150]

Aren't players taught to watch the guys hips anyways?

What a stupid theory. The visor gives absolutely no advantage.

Maybe if QBs were allowed to wear dark visors.

Then I can see a valid arguement.

[Bob Sacamano]

Aren't players taught to watch the guys hips anyways?

What a stupid theory. The visor gives absolutely no advantage.

hips or feet, one of the 2

[Timbo2st]

What about AI ?

:lmao:

No, A.I. is the man.

I blame the Sixers for never putting more stars around him to help out.

It's going to be very, very weird seeing him in a nuggets jersey.

[EGG]

It's an image thing, the NFL is very particular about how the players look:

The NFL this year banned helmet visors unless prescribed by a physician. Players wearing them resemble Darth Vader.

"They tend to depersonalize the game," Hunt said.

"More than anything, it's for photographs and TV. All you can see is the black visor. You can't even see the person's eyes. It's distracting."

Arizona Cardinals tackle Lomas Brown, without permission, wore a tinted visor last month in St. Louis and was sent off the field in the first quarter. He had to show referee Bernie Kukar a note from team doctor Wayne Kuhl, confirming the visor was to protect Brown's eyes.

"I couldn't believe I had to get a note from the doctor," Brown said.

"They have more rules in this league. What's next?"

[Bob Sacamano]

No, A.I. is the man.

I blame the Sixers for never putting more stars around him to help out.

It's going to be very, very weird seeing him in a nuggets jersey.

I've heard he's an arse

wouldn't play in a fan-appreciation night, or didn't want to

[smarta5150]

I've heard he's an arse

wouldn't play in a fan-appreciation night, or didn't want to


He also NEVER tipped when him and his possy would play 3-card poker in Atlantic City.

I know several dealers and waitresses that have said this.

[Timbo2st]

I've heard he's an arse

wouldn't play in a fan-appreciation night, or didn't want to

Him and Chris Webber showed up late to the game and they were benched.

I don't care, because he did more good then bad.

[SALADIN]

Not being a homer, well maybe a little, but I wouldnt mind LaMar Woodley either.

It's like BP himself bred them from birth some 20 years ago to play for a 3-4 defensive team that he would eventually coach in 2007-

IMO, Woodley is ready to make more of an immediate contribution his first couple of years but Alan Branch may have the most 'upside' of the both.

Either way, I'm sure that both of these guys are on BP's radar screen. Branch, that huge NT who comands 2-3 blockers and still pushes the pocket and/or Woodley who can rush from a 2 or 3 point stance and blow up plays in the backfield as if he were a Demolition SEAL.

Both fit this defense like Saville row suits :cool:

[smarta5150]

It's like BP himself bred them from birth some 20 years ago to play for a 3-4 defensive team that he would eventually coach in 2007-

IMO, Woodley is ready to make more of an immediate contribution his first couple of years but Alan Branch may have the most 'upside' of the both.

Either way, I'm sure that both of these guys are on BP's radar screen. Branch, that huge NT who comands 2-3 blockers and still pushes the pocket and/or Woodley who can rush from a 2 or 3 point stance and blow up plays in the backfield as if he were a Demolition SEAL.

Both fit this defense like Saville row suits :cool:

I couldnt agree with you more.

I sure am gonna miss them wearing Maize and Blue next season though.

Along w. Leon Hall.

[jrumann59]

D-backs and LBs watches a QB's eyes all the time and create turnovers in doing so.

If QBs started wearing them would it be an advantage for them?

I didn't say QB's I was talking specificallty about LT. And actually Jim McMahon wore one and still threw a lot of INT's I would hate to see how many he would have thrown with a regular helmet.

[smarta5150]

I didn't say QB's I was talking specificallty about LT. And actually Jim McMahon wore one and still threw a lot of INT's I would hate to see how many he would have thrown with a regular helmet.

I knew you were talking about LT I was just asking others how they felt about QBs wearing them.

Jim McMahon made me laugh.

Nice comment.

[Bob Sacamano]

Him and Chris Webber showed up late to the game and they were benched.

I don't care, because he did more good then bad.

such as...

just another overrated, punkarse Philly athlete

[jrumann59]

I knew you were talking about LT I was just asking others how they felt about QBs wearing them.

Jim McMahon made me laugh.

Nice comment.

I think Robo QB was the only QB to wear one. I think it has to do with possible sight issues especially in rain and snow.

[smarta5150]

I think Robo QB was the only QB to wear one. I think it has to do with possible sight issues especially in rain and snow.

Vick goes clear (Probably cause he runs as much as he does).

Cant think of any others.

[Timbo2st]

such as...

just another overrated, punkarse Philly athlete

What are you talking about?

He's 2nd in the league in scoring.

Who are these overrated athletes?

[smarta5150]

What are you talking about?

He's 2nd in the league in scoring.

Who are these overrated athletes?

But he is a ME ME ME player.

The guy wouldnt pay your rent.

(name the movie for bonus points)

[Timbo2st]

But he is a ME ME ME player.

The guy wouldnt pay your rent.

(name the movie for bonus points)

Because there's nobody else that can score.

[smarta5150]

Because there's nobody else that can score.

We'll see if playing w. the leading scorer in the NBA validates your argument.

[Hypnotoad]

Its worth mentioning that Casey Martin, after all the PGA whining, legal action, and resistance, turned out to be a below average golfer. With all the 'benefits' that would have allegedly given him an advantage over other golfers. Lesson of the story is: a visor might stop your opponent from reading your eyes, they still wouldn't make you a good athlete.

[Timbo2st]

We'll see if playing w. the leading scorer in the NBA validates your argument.

Well.......we're going to have to wait a month for that.

[smarta5150]

Well.......we're going to have to wait a month.

Another idiot.

[Muhast]

I use a reflective visor in semi-pro ( it would be illegal in the nfl, but i dont/never will play in the nfl so oh well) the one that looks crome almost and reflects everything.

It IS an advantage, but I wouldnt say it's 30+ td advantage. The dudes been great before he had his visor even

[smarta5150]

I use a reflective visor in semi-pro ( it would be illegal in the nfl, but i dont/never will play in the nfl so oh well) the one that looks crome almost and reflects everything.

It IS an advantage, but I wouldnt say it's 30+ td advantage. The dudes been great before he had his visor even

I think that visior is the sweetest.

A lot of college kids use the reflective one.. more so the image of rather than an edge.

I am sure its a little but like you said... not 30+ TDs.

[Phrozen Phil]

If he didnt have one, do you really think guys would be tackling LT in the open field more easily? The game moves so fast that no one is able to react fast enough to where someones eyes are directed that it would give them any real advantage in tackling him. It's true that you can tell the ball is about to be caught when a receivers eyes widen, but how many deep routes is LT running where he's catching the ball over the shoulder that that would make any difference? This is one of the dumbest, least thought out posts I've read before

This says it all.... Post of the Day :hammer:

[StevenOtero]

Wow, I come back 2 hours later to see an open can of worms. :) Well at least I didn't come up with that theory. I'd be burnt toast by now from all of the flaming. :lmao:

[willis31]

put it this way....if ladanian told them where he was going to run before the play even happened, they still wouldnt stop him

[StevenOtero]

put it this way....if ladanian told them where he was going to run before the play even happened, they still wouldnt stop him
Here we go...:lmao:

[bbgun]

Boy, this is a stretch. I've heard of reading the QB's eyes but never the running back's. The game simply moves too fast once he gets the ball. Who has time for detecting eye movement?

[StevenOtero]

Boy, this is a stretch. I've heard of reading the QB's eyes but never the running back's. The game simply moves too fast once he gets the ball. Who has time for detecting eye movement?
Truedat. But when you are in the zone, some things seem to be in slow motion. It is hard to explain...fellow football players know what I'm talkin about.

[nicodywill]

Eh, don't buy it. I just think he's by far the best player in the NFL right now and there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do to stop him. To say that his visor is somehow playing a part in it, no. Like I said, I just don't buy it.
i guess you've never played football outside of your backyard b?c if you have you'd know it gives u a great advantage

[nicodywill]

on defense one of the first things your taught is to watch players eyes and body language especially pre-snap watch to see where their looking if their leaning and so on a definate advantage in my opinion

[smarta5150]

on defense one of the first things your taught is to watch players eyes and body language especially pre-snap watch to see where their looking if their leaning and so on a definate advantage in my opinion

Its true.

A basic fundamental.

[MRTRIPOD]

this has crossed my mind too

[Dale]

It's hard to ignore this idea entirely. It certainly seems like an advantage. I mean, imagine if a quarterback wore one (is there one in the league that does this?) to where the defense couldn't see where he was looking to throw the ball.

It's gotta provide some sort of advantage.

With that said, if it were as easy as just needing a visor, we'd be seeing every running back wearing one.

Hasn't Tomlinson played in games without one, out of curiousity? Has he gone this entire season with one? It'd be interesting to see how he does in games without one, though I doubt it'll prove all that much.

In the end, I don't see how this tarnishes anything he's done. Unless he's breaking a rule, how can you fault what he's doing? Unless he's being given some individual privilege to where this thing, then it's every other back's fault (IMO) for not being as crafty.

[smarta5150]

It's hard to ignore this idea entirely. It certainly seems like an advantage. I mean, imagine if a quarterback wore one (is there one in the league that does this?) to where the defense couldn't see where he was looking to throw the ball.

It's gotta provide some sort of advantage.

With that said, if it were as easy as just needing a visor, we'd be seeing every running back wearing one.

Hasn't Tomlinson played in games without one, out of curiousity? Has he gone this entire season with one? It'd be interesting to see how he does in games without one, though I doubt it'll prove all that much.

In the end, I don't see how this tarnishes anything he's done. Unless he's breaking a rule, how can you fault what he's doing? Unless he's being given some individual privilege to where this thing, then it's every other back's fault (IMO) for not being as crafty.

He has been medically cleared.

So he is kind of priveledged.

I belive if 1 player can wear 1 they all should be given the option.

[trickblue]

It's hard to ignore this idea entirely. It certainly seems like an advantage. I mean, imagine if a quarterback wore one (is there one in the league that does this?) to where the defense couldn't see where he was looking to throw the ball.

Actually Jim McMahon wore a tinted face shield during his brief stint at QB with the Chargers...

[Dale]

He has been medically cleared.

So he is kind of priveledged.

I belive if 1 player can wear 1 they all should be given the option.

Ah, I didn't bother to read the part of the article that may have explained this. Thanks for the clarification, smarta.

And I do agree. It's a little unfair to provide this advantage for just one guy. I honestly was unaware of this.

Are there not other backs that wear tinted facemasks? Again, I'm coming off ignornant here since I didn't read the article in its entirety, but I'm assuming his situation requires a tinted facemask and not a clear one? Interesting stuff.

At the least, an enlightening article. Brings up an issue I'm assuming a lot of people -- at least myself -- would have never even thought about.

[smarta5150]

Ah, I didn't bother to read the part of the article that may have explained this. Thanks for the clarification, smarta.

And I do agree. It's a little unfair to provide this advantage for just one guy. I honestly was unaware of this.

Are there not other backs that wear tinted facemasks? Again, I'm coming off ignornant here since I didn't read the article in its entirety, but I'm assuming his situation requires a tinted facemask and not a clear one? Interesting stuff.

At the least, an enlightening article. Brings up an issue I'm assuming a lot of people -- at least myself -- would have never even thought about.

Ricky Williams used to wear a dark visor.

Now Dawkins and Canty do.

Vick wears a clear - probably cause he rushes a lot and avoid getting an eye poked out.

[Ratmatt]

That article is by far the stupidest thing I've ever read.

[nicodywill]

That article is by far the stupidest thing I've ever read.
well thanks for that useful bit of insite, brilliant i tell you brilliant that's what we do here i thought talk about meaningless crap

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:rolleyes:

I'm sure that LT is not the only player who has worn a dark visor. Now, if all of sudden the RB's, WR's, & QB's who have worn the dark visors ended up as All Pro's over the last 10 years then you may have an argument. But that has hardly been the case.

Besides, that cat is so quick of his cuts, he could eyes sticking out of the top of his helmet and they still wouldn't get to him.

:cool:

That is the point. If a defender could see his eyes than that cut wont be so easy.

[Catch-22]

http://upshizzle.com/up/pfiles/3433/GARC11012170259.jpg

Only QB in the league that wears one right now I think