I'd Rather Keep TO than Parcells

[Wonderboyromo]

Who has been worse this year?
Really?
Parcells or Owens?
IMO, it's easily Parcells. Yea, Owens has a lot of drops. However, Parcells has been dreadful in play calling. Nothing is a surprise, nothing is clever. It's so out-dated and easy to guess. I seriously predicted about 40% of the plays tonight, and I don't watch film. I would rather keep Owens and get a new coach, because Owens has at least been awesome at times. Parcells has never been awesome.

[Bleu Star]

Who has been worse this year?
Really?
Parcells or Owens?
IMO, it's easily Parcells. Yea, Owens has a lot of drops. However, Parcells has been dreadful in play calling. Nothing is a surprise, nothing is clever. It's so out-dated and easy to guess. I seriously predicted about 40% of the plays tonight, and I don't watch film. I would rather keep Owens and get a new coach, because Owens has at least been awesome at times. Parcells has never been awesome.

I agree. Parcells is really starting to underwhelm me. I point specifically to the way Zimmer has managed this defense. Parcells is partly to blame for that. When a coach is stinking it up, as head coach, you step in and unstink it. That's what Brian Billick did when Jim Fassel was stinking up his offense. Billick is an offensive mind and his team is now powering its way into the playoffs thanks to his decision weeks ago to jettison Fassel. Bill Parcells is a great defensive mind. One would think he would have already stepped in on defense. It truly baffles me.

TO, despite his negatives, brings many positives to this team. We've gone over this numerous times so I won't go into detail. I think we take a giant step backwards, in terms of offensive development, if we don't bring TO back next year.

[Parche]

Not that I agree with everything that you say... But I would keep T.O. instead of Parcells too...

[StevenOtero]

T.O I'd rather keep.. yez'r

[alancdc]

Not that I agree with everything that you say... But I would keep T.O. instead of Parcells too...

Which drop tonight would lead you to think that TO is a keeper?

[Wonderboyromo]

Which drop tonight would lead you to think that TO is a keeper?

How many horrible offensive play calls and stupid gunning would lead YOU to believe Bill is a competent coach?

[Dave_in-NC]

After watching owens for a second during halftime of the Jets game, He would be gone. It's to late? Guys are screaming the D gave up and this *** is saying they threw him the ball to late? He's no better than the D giving up.

[Yakuza Rich]

I'd rather keep them both and get me a new D-Coordinator. In reality, outside of the goal line stand this year his play calling has been good. It's certainly a lot better than what Sean Payton was calling last year, especially in the red zone. However, it wouldn't hurt for Parcells to call a QB sneak once this millenium. Plus, he does the same thing that just about every coach in the NFL does that drives me nuts, he insists on running a jumbo package there. Defenses can just stock up on the run and if you try to play action pass, they can get close to the QB and because you have jumbo personnel, you're not going to get much seperation. Spread the defense out a little and force them to at least take the quick pass into consideration. Then you can run or pass. Especially since we are very good running out of the 3 WR formation.

It's not rocket science.


YAKUZA

[Yakuza Rich]

How many horrible offensive play calls and stupid gunning would lead YOU to believe Bill is a competent coach?

The fact we are in the top 5 in scoring does it for me. He had 1 bad gaffe on the goalline stand and that certainly didn't cost us the game. Get me a D-Coordinator worth his salt and I'll be happy.


YAKUZA

[Bleu Star]

After watching owens for a second during halftime of the Jets game, He would be gone. It's to late? Guys are screaming the D gave up and this *** is saying they threw him the ball to late? He's no better than the D giving up.

Sorry but you are really off target with your assessment of blame. TO takes a small percentage but on the defensive side of the ball a large chunk of the blame pie can be claimed.

[Bleu Star]

The fact we are in the top 5 in scoring does it for me. He had 1 bad gaffe on the goalline stand and that certainly didn't cost us the game. Get me a D-Coordinator worth his salt and I'll be happy.


YAKUZA

Well, as I stated above, the thing that bothers me about Bill is he appears to be doing absolutely nothing about Zimmer.

Go back 6 weeks or so and refresh your memory on what it did for the Raven when Billick jettisoned Fassell. Is the Tuna too old to make such a move?

[Dave_in-NC]

Sorry but you are really off target with your assessment of blame. TO takes a small percentage but on the defensive side of the ball a large chunk of the blame pie can be claimed.

You want any player saying "it's too late''? I don't. Again I'm not blaming owens for the loss, just his contribution to it. Then bumping his gums.

The guys just not my hero.

[alancdc]

How many horrible offensive play calls and stupid gunning would lead YOU to believe Bill is a competent coach?

What is gunning? I do like the passion of the capital YOU!!!!! That is solid! From what I saw the first drive we get to their 40, and stall? Is that Bill's fault? They go 89 and 95 yards on our D in the 1st half. Is that Bills fault? How many offesnsive posessions did we have in the first half? Was Bill the reason the Eagles seemed to have 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 1 every posession? Again, how many times did we have the ball in the first half? 3 posessions? Did you disageree with running MB III on 4th down? I guess you were against him the other 12 times he scored this year. I love fans that question play calling when you probably played soccer your entire life! THAT'S RIGHT YOU, PATNA YOU. I have caps too! Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bleu Star]

You want any player saying "it's too late''? I don't. Again I'm not blaming owens for the loss, just his contribution to it. Then bumping his gums.

The guys just not my hero.

The guy's not my hero either but I recognize where the blame lies today. The blame lies in Zimmer's continuing underwhelming performance as the leader of our defensive efforts and the fact that it took 27 minutes to get the first ball into out 10 milion dollar playmaker's hands. That's the first throw at him. one which he caught and fought 5 guys to get 5 extra yards. Remember that? Then he caught a TD 2 minutes later just before halftime. Remember that? A playmaker can't make plays if you don't get it to him early and often.

[Bleu Star]

Is that Bill's fault? They go 89 and 95 yards on our D in the 1st half. Is that Bills fault?

It's Zimmer's fault and he works for Bill so theoretically he works for Bill so...

I point you to the case of Brian Billick and Jim Fassel. Then I point you to the case of Bill Parcells and Mike Zimmer. See the difference?

[Dave_in-NC]

The guy's not my hero either but I recognize where the blame lies today. The blame lies in Zimmer's continuing underwhelming performance as the leader of our defensive efforts and the fact that it took 27 minutes to get the first ball into out 10 milion dollar playmaker's hands. That's the first throw at him. one which he caught and fought 5 guys to get 5 extra yards. Remember that? Then he caught a TD 2 minutes later just before halftime. Remember that? A playmaker can't make plays if you don't get it to him early and often.

Then he had two huge drops, remember that? Then he made no move to break up an INT, remember that? I think you have owen Pjs myself.:D

[Bleu Star]

Ihen he had two huge drops, remember that? Then he made no move to break up an INT, remember that? I think you have owen Pjs myself.:D

I think you're in denial.

He had one huge drop and he never had a chance to make a move to do anything with the ill advised throw by Romo. That's just like you to see that Dawkins pickoff in the end zone as TO's fault. Doesn't surprise me.

[alancdc]

It's Zimmer's fault and he works for Bill so theoretically he works for Bill so...

I point you to the case of Brian Billick and Jim Fassel. Then I point you to the case of Bill Parcells and Mike Zimmer. See the difference?

The difference being that Billick fired Fassel, and Bill hasn't fired Zimmer? I guess. Are we sure that Bill has control of that?

[Dave_in-NC]

I think you're in denial.

He had one huge drop and he never had a chance to make a move to do anything with the ill advised throw by Romo. That's just like you to see that Dawkins pickoff in the end zone as TO's fault. Doesn't surprise me.

Who's in denial?:lmao2:

[alancdc]

The fact we are in the top 5 in scoring does it for me. He had 1 bad gaffe on the goalline stand and that certainly didn't cost us the game. Get me a D-Coordinator worth his salt and I'll be happy.


YAKUZA

:bow: Thank you!

[Bleu Star]

Who's in denial?:lmao2:

It's quite obvious to me. Zimmer is an angel. correct? :rolleyes:

[alancdc]

I think you're in denial.

He had one huge drop and he never had a chance to make a move to do anything with the ill advised throw by Romo. That's just like you to see that Dawkins pickoff in the end zone as TO's fault. Doesn't surprise me.

I love Romo, but that last pick in the end zone was 15 yards inside where TO was running. I don't see how anyone could blame TO for that.

[Dave_in-NC]

It's quite obvious to me. Zimmer is an angel. correct? :rolleyes:

Lack of scoring and keeping drives alive is now Zimmer also? I didn't know that, eh learn some thing new every day I guess.

[Dave_in-NC]

I love Romo, but that last pick in the end zone was 15 yards inside where TO was running. I don't see how anyone could blame TO for that.

Watch the play again. owens looked back, saw the ball going off target, turned foreword and never even tried to move to the ball. Tivo. I'm not saying he could have even gotten there, but at least try.

[Bleu Star]

I love Romo, but that last pick in the end zone was 15 yards inside where TO was running. I don't see how anyone could blame TO for that.

Dave in DC seems to think TO should have jumped 15 yards east across the field to get to it even though he was running north/south.

[alancdc]

Watch the play again. owens looked back, saw the ball going off target, turned foreword and never even tried to move to the ball. Tivo. I'm not saying he could have even gotten there, but at least try.

That's cool. Maybe he could have gotten there, but man it was a good says from here to was.

[alancdc]

Dave in DC seems to think TO should have jumped 15 yards east across the field to get to it even though he was running north/south.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

:lmao2:

[Dave_in-NC]

Dave in DC seems to think TO should have jumped 15 yards east across the field to get to it even though he was running north/south.

Well he is your super hero, you mean he couldn't do that? He made no move to the ball dude, and he had time.

[Bleu Star]

Well he is your super hero, you mean he couldn't do that? He made no move to the ball dude, and he had time.

You keep harping on him being my hero, me being in his jock, me smelling his underwear. Yet you refuse to come to grips with the fact that you simply let your hate for the player govern everything else you do or say. That's all good. I'm ok with being colored a fan boy. I see plenty of blame to spread around. This blame includes, but definitely is not limited to, TO.

You probably think Zimmer should be named the next great Dallas Cowboys HC after Bill Parcells retires.

[alancdc]

You keep harping on him being my hero, me being in his jock, me smelling his underwear. Yet you refuse to come to grips with the fact that you simply let your hate for the player govern everything else you do or say. That's all good. I'm ok with being colored a fan boy. I see plenty of blame to spread around. This blame includes, but definitely is not limited to, TO.

You probably think Zimmer should be named the next great Dallas Cowboys HC after Bill Parcells retires.

My hope is that Jacksonville doesn't make the playoffs, and Del Rio get's fired and comes here to be the DC.

[Wonderboyromo]

What is gunning? I do like the passion of the capital YOU!!!!! That is solid! From what I saw the first drive we get to their 40, and stall? Is that Bill's fault? They go 89 and 95 yards on our D in the 1st half. Is that Bills fault? How many offesnsive posessions did we have in the first half? Was Bill the reason the Eagles seemed to have 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 1 every posession? Again, how many times did we have the ball in the first half? 3 posessions? Did you disageree with running MB III on 4th down? I guess you were against him the other 12 times he scored this year. I love fans that question play calling when you probably played soccer your entire life! THAT'S RIGHT YOU, PATNA YOU. I have caps too! Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you going insane? Seriously.

"Gunning" is when you stop running the ball and start throwing the ball down the field every play.

I was against the run on 4th down. He ran it 3 times previous with absolutely NO success. What? Are we going to fool them by running again? Jim Johnson is no idiot. It was a predictable call.

Seriously, I think you've gone off the deep-end. Played soccer my whole life? Not even close there. I didnt know you had caps on your computer. Thanks for the update.

I've heard of a few therapists you may like to talk to.

[Dave_in-NC]

You keep harping on him being my hero, me being in his jock, me smelling his underwear. Yet you refuse to come to grips with the fact that you simply let your hate for the player govern everything else you do or say. That's all good. I'm ok with being colored a fan boy. I see plenty of blame to spread around. This blame includes, but definitely is not limited to, TO.

You probably think Zimmer should be named the next great Dallas Cowboys HC after Bill Parcells retires.

Please show me where I solely blame owens. I double dog dare ya.;) I simply stand by my statement, owens drops are equally to blame for our losses. Then he gets on TV and says stupid chit. People like you eat it up. If he's covered well you can't throw to him. He says you can. Then when he isn't covered, you throw to him and he drops it. Then he says it's because you didn't throw to him early enough.
He gets paid to play sixty minutes, doesn't he?

Go ahead and deflect it to Zimmer, which hasn't been what I have discussed in a owens thread.

[Bleu Star]

Please show me where I solely blame owens. I double dog dare ya.;) I simply stand by my statement, owens drops are equally to blame for our losses. Then he gets on TV and says stupid chit. People like you eat it up. If he's covered well you can't throw to him. He says you can. Then when he isn't covered, you throw to him and he drops it. Then he says it's because you didn't throw to him early enough.
He gets paid to play sixty minutes, doesn't he?

Go ahead and deflect it to Zimmer, which hasn't been what I have discussed in a owens thread.

You find it easy to blame someone that tells it like it is behind the mic. Thanks to people like you Zimmer can sleep well yet again tonight. He's safe because he doesn't have to get behind the mic thus people like you find no fault in anything he does. Brilliant.

Deflect? Please don't make me laugh. Zimmer is an embarrassment.

[alancdc]

Are you going insane? Seriously.

"Gunning" is when you stop running the ball and start throwing the ball down the field every play.

I was against the run on 4th down. He ran it 3 times previous with absolutely NO success. What? Are we going to fool them by running again? Jim Johnson is no idiot. It was a predictable call.

Seriously, I think you've gone off the deep-end. Played soccer my whole life? Not even close there. I didnt know you had caps on your computer. Thanks for the update.

I've heard of a few therapists you may like to talk to.

I just didn't realize that "gunning" was an industry term. So, you are saying that for the past what 15 weeks you disagreed with the way they used MBIII at the goal line. It seems that you are the typical guy that if a play works it is a great call, but if not man we should have done something different. How many times has MBIII scored on that very play? If Hoyte makes the block he was supposed to make MBIII walks into the end zone! You don't agree with that Tonto? Incidentally if I need advice from a therapist it will be to get their advice on where to spend all my $$$$$$! Merry Christmas!

[Dave_in-NC]

You find it easy to blame someone that tells it like it is behind the mic. Thanks to people like you Zimmer can sleep well yet again tonight. He's safe because he doesn't have to get behind the mic thus people like you find no fault in anything he does. Brilliant.

Deflect? Please don't make me laugh. Zimmer is an embarrassment.

LMFAO People like me? Do you honestly think these little rants we have on this forum matter? If they did Zimmer would have been long gone. I doubt Jones or Parcells look to the Zone for advice.

Oh wait, Jerry is reading Bleu Star's advice and is going to fire Zimmer first thing tomorrow.:lmao: After all, he must be an NFL adviser.

Thanks for the laughs my friend. Gotsta go.

[smarta5150]

My "late" christmas want list.

TO stays.

BP leaves.

BP has TO running fly patterns down the sideline and TG running slants.

Why isnt this reversed?

TO is a YAC guy and TG is the deep threat.

Its the coaches fault.

We cant call defensive schemes and we sure as hell cant call offensive schemes.

[Bleu Star]

LMFAO People like me? Do you honestly think these little rants we have on this forum matter? If they did Zimmer would have been long gone. I doubt Jones or Parcells look to the Zone for advice.

Oh wait, Jerry is reading Bleu Star's advice and is going to fire Zimmer first thing tomorrow.:lmao: After all, he must be an NFL adviser.

Thanks for the laughs my friend. Gotsta go.

I'm not here for laughs. I'm here to share thoughts. Constructive thoughts that don't come from a place of hate.

[Dave_in-NC]

I'm not here for laughs. I'm here to share thoughts. Constructive thoughts that don't come from a place of hate.

Sorry, but you are hilarious.

[Bleu Star]

Sorry, but you are hilarious.

Thanks. I try. :rolleyes:

[Wonderboyromo]

I just didn't realize that "gunning" was an industry term. So, you are saying that for the past what 15 weeks you disagreed with the way they used MBIII at the goal line. It seems that you are the typical guy that if a play works it is a great call, but if not man we should have done something different. How many times has MBIII scored on that very play? If Hoyte makes the block he was supposed to make MBIII walks into the end zone! You don't agree with that Tonto? Incidentally if I need advice from a therapist it will be to get their advice on where to spend all my $$$$$$! Merry Christmas!

I will always be against running it 4 straight times when it obviously isnt working and when our o-line obviously isnt going what it needs to to get it in. I know how well he has done before, but how many times has he been stopped 3 times and got it in the 4th?

Wow. Way to try to be cool and say how much money you have on the internet. Maybe your e-girlfriends will like you more now.

[22Cowboys21]

Mike Zimmer simply MUST GO!:banghead:

[alancdc]

I will always be against running it 4 straight times when it obviously isnt working and when our o-line obviously isnt going what it needs to to get it in. I know how well he has done before, but how many times has he been stopped 3 times and got it in the 4th?

Wow. Way to try to be cool and say how much money you have on the internet. Maybe your e-girlfriends will like you more now.

YOU attacked me my man. SO first let me say, nevermind.....That was not a Christian thing to say. Second, I don't know how many times he has been stopped before, but I would guess that it is far less that he has scored! Again, if Hoyte makes his block he scores. Not sure what an e girlfriend is, I was just joking around, but since you obviously are smarter than me, I will be the better Christian on this great Holiday and say that you are right and I am wrong. Thank you for clearing that up Oh Great One!

:bow:

[Wonderboyromo]

YOU attacked me my man. SO first let me say, nevermind.....That was not a Christian thing to say. Second, I don't know how many times he has been stopped before, but I would guess that it is far less that he has scored! Again, if Hoyte makes his block he scores. Not sure what an e girlfriend is, I was just joking around, but since you obviously are smarter than me, I will be the better Christian on this great Holiday and say that you are right and I am wrong. Thank you for clearing that up Oh Great One!

:bow:

It wasnt very christian of me, either, so I too apologize.
However, the play call was bone-headed. 4 straight times? I dont see how that isn't ridiculous when you have BIG guys to throw to.
You apologize and then act facetiously and condescending with the final statement.