its all on TO

[STSINAZ]

we thought he would make big catches...in every big game besides NO he has dropped a big catch deep down field
Philly
NYGints - had a big 3rd down catch he dropped
The Skins
Last night..

pretty simple catches that would have probably won us the game, he needs to shutup...no one wants his act anymore...the cowboys are tired of it especially after yesterday...

[ConcordCowboy]

I disagree.

It's all on Parcells.

[Bleu Star]

we thought he would make big catches...in every big game besides NO he has dropped a big catch deep down field
Philly
NYGints - had a big 3rd down catch he dropped
The Skins
Last night..

pretty simple catches that would have probably won us the game, he needs to shutup...no one wants his act anymore...the cowboys are tired of it especially after yesterday...

Glenn dropped 2 passes yesterday and complained to the media as well. Is it still all on TO? Hmmm...

[GTaylor]

Glenn dropped 2 passes yesterday and complained to the media as well. Is it still all on TO? Hmmm...
Did Glenn say feed me the ball more?

[ConcordCowboy]

Glenn dropped 2 passes yesterday and complained to the media as well. Is it still all on TO? Hmmm...

Are you out of your ever loving mind?

It's all on T.O. :rolleyes:

[ConcordCowboy]

Did Glenn say feed me the ball more?

Well he wasn't saying throw it to me less.

[STSINAZ]

like i said in every big loss TO has dropped the passes...if he catches that ball deep yesterday we may have won...what jerrah said could have been directed at him bringing in TO too...TO is out...BP is out...clean house with all coaches...bring in cowher and things will change immediately.

[Rampage]

all 3 receivers had butterfingers yesterday

[REDVOLUTION]

Ok... you all know I am a major TO supporter... its is on TO.... but with that said... he needs to see it more... how else can you benefit from having a TO on your team.... gotta draw up some major plays and get him the ball.... if we didnt get him the ball early in Atlanta game we would have lost... we didnt do it yesterday and WE LOST... its pretty simple....

[88 enough said]

Are you out of your ever loving mind?

It's all on T.O. :rolleyes:

TO is a punk, cry baby and an excuse maker. I was all for him coming in to Dallas but now he needs to go. I thought he would have been an upgrade from Key but other than speed- Key is a better ball player. What a pain in the butt. I hope TO is out of the league next year. I have made excuses all year for him and said he is worth the trouble---- BUT IM OFF THE BANDWAGON.

[STSINAZ]

Ok... you all know I am a major TO supporter... its is on TO.... but with that said... he needs to see it more... how else can you benefit from having a TO on your team.... gotta draw up some major plays and get him the ball.... if we didnt get him the ball early in Atlanta game we would have lost... we didnt do it yesterday and WE LOST... its pretty simple....

this is what i am saying, he is being paid the big bucks to make the simple deep catches...sometimes he does and we win and when he doesnt we lose, plain and simple...he was brought in to do that, the owner, the coaches are counting on him to do that and be professional, we arent talking about hard catches to make either...we arent talking about diving grabs or over the shoulder catches, we are talking about simple in your hands catches with you having a step on the defender and he simply has failed 4 times, we lost those games! so he should be listening to the michael jackson song, man in the mirror while JJ listens to I'm gonna make a change!ITs on TO...yes obviously everything is on BP cause he is the coach.

[Bleu Star]

Did Glenn say feed me the ball more?

"I don't think we're trying to win; no, not on offense," Glenn was quoted Tuesday in the Dallas Morning News. "You have to execute and get everybody involved. I try not to let it get to me. Man, I've been fighting it all year. I'm trying to be a team player, but there's no reason for it. No reason for it.

"I'm not alone. The whole offense is frustrated," Glenn said. "They are looking around saying, 'Why can't we do anything when we have all these weapons?' "

Let me translate all of that to you: I'm not getting the ball enough.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75681

[STSINAZ]

yes but glenn hasnt dropped big passes deep down field!

[Bleu Star]

yes but glenn hasnt dropped big passes deep down field!

He dropped a 45 yarder perfectly tossed by Romo into his bread basket yesterday.

[STSINAZ]

TO has been doing it all year! while glenn has been making acrobatic catches all year, it isnt even close, why are you even arguing for TO? he has 17 drops

[JPM]

Cause it's not just TO, the whole team has been "going thru the motions" for 4 weeks.

[Oh_Canada]

I didn't realize T.O was blocking inside or calling the plays while we ran pretty much the same dumb play four straight times near the goaline in the first quarter.

[ConcordCowboy]

TO is a punk, cry baby and an excuse maker. I was all for him coming in to Dallas but now he needs to go. I thought he would have been an upgrade from Key but other than speed- Key is a better ball player. What a pain in the butt. I hope TO is out of the league next year. I have made excuses all year for him and said he is worth the trouble---- BUT IM OFF THE BANDWAGON.

Whatever. It's NOT all on T.O.:rolleyes:

[Doomsday]

How do you blame the offense when the defense gives up drives of 89, 94 and 76 yards in 2 1/2 quarters of play? It is ridicilous the offense needs to get more then 2 possessions in the first quarter to get on track.

[ConcordCowboy]

He dropped a 45 yarder perfectly tossed by Romo into his bread basket yesterday.

Funny how he missed that one.

It's all on Glenn.:D

[ConcordCowboy]

Let me translate all of that to you: I'm not getting the ball enough.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75681

Yes but he didn't actually say the words...Feed me the ball more.:D

[Arch Stanton]

Just how many more passes does TO want? :rolleyes:

Up until yesterdays game he's had 41 more passes thrown to him than Glenn.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php

[Oh_Canada]

He also has 12 td's.

[GTaylor]

Let me translate all of that to you: I'm not getting the ball enough.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75681
You need to fire your translater, Glenn said WE need to execute, meaning the offense needs to peform better, not feed the ball to me more.

Apples and oranges there.

[ConcordCowboy]

You need to fire your translater, Glenn said WE need to execute, meaning the offense needs to peform better, not feed the ball to me more.

Apples and oranges there.

Hey Bleu Star...What did I tell you....

Yes but he didn't actually say the words...Feed me the ball more.:p:

[theogt]

Hey, here's another thread we can file under the "I don't know much about football, but I'm PO'd and want someone to blame" Zone.

[Ashwynn]

TO is a punk, cry baby and an excuse maker. I was all for him coming in to Dallas but now he needs to go. I thought he would have been an upgrade from Key but other than speed- Key is a better ball player. What a pain in the butt. I hope TO is out of the league next year. I have made excuses all year for him and said he is worth the trouble---- BUT IM OFF THE BANDWAGON.

Gratz dude, glad you seen the light. Hes an ok player, but hes not a game changer (in a positive sense). Welcome to the real bandwagon, the anti-el dorado bandwagon, where the cool pple who really know hang out.

[Bleu Star]

Hey, here's another thread we can file under the "I don't know much about football, but I'm PO'd and want someone to blame" Zone.

:hammer:

At least someone in this thread is making sense.

[lurkercowboy]

How do you blame the offense when the defense gives up drives of 89, 94 and 76 yards in 2 1/2 quarters of play? It is ridicilous the offense needs to get more then 2 possessions in the first quarter to get on track.

The defense was dominated. The Eagles offensive line controlled the Cowboys line. It is a simple as that. A team cannot give up so many long time consuming drives like the Cowboys allowed yesterday.

The Cowboys offensive line played poorly as well. They had no push in the running game and could not protect the QB.

It all comes down to line play. It is basic football 101. Both lines were whipped by the Eagles.

It wasn't like the Eagles did anything special. They just ran their offense for the most part.

[Doomsday]

The defense was dominated. The Eagles offensive line controlled the Cowboys line. It is a simple as that. A team cannot give up so many long time consuming drives like the Cowboys allowed yesterday.

The Cowboys offensive line played poorly as well. They had no push in the running game and could not protect the QB.

It all comes down to line play. It is basic football 101. Both lines were whipped by the Eagles.

I agree that was my biggest fear coming into this game, they dominated the game in Philly last season and this season, I was just hoping Dallas had gotten better and could get it done but its pretty obvious they are just better upfront then Dallas.

[BEMYDADJERRY]

ITS ALL ON THE TUNA....GET HIM IN THE GAME EARLY AND KEEP HIM IN THE GAME.....I CANNOT BELEIVE WE DONT HAVE ANY SLANTS FOR HIM....NOTHING ...EVERY CORNER GIVES HIM A TEN YARD CUSHION ....THROW HIM THE DAMN BALL EVERYTIME YOU SEE THAT.....:banghead:

[GTaylor]

I've got a better idea, how about catch the pass, or better yet not kinda fake it out there. He does that then you'd have an argument

[EPL0c0]

The offensive play calling appears to be getting more predictable. There were some plays that the Eagles had sniffed out before the snap. That's on the coaches. Where is the aggressive play calling? Where are the trick plays...b/c yes, that is what this team needs now...b/c nothing else is working.

But the real struggles, I would pin it on the defense. The defense is getting almost NO pressure on the QB. Remember that Carolina game when the talk was about unleashing the defense? Seems they've been put back on the shelf since then. They play on their heels from the go.

Our CBs really can't rely on the safties. Whether the safties are back to help or not, its like man-on-man coverage.

The LBs ...where did our much heralded LB corp go? Was Greg Ellis' impact THAT great?! Why has NOBODY stepped up to help? It's like we're playing w/ 10men out there.

BEFORE Ellis' injury (9games): 19sacks (2.1sacks/game)
AFTER Ellis' injury (6games): 10sacks (1.6sacks/game)

The only good and consistant action has come from Matt McBriar and the punt coverage team. He's been our best offensive weapon down the stretch but even his deep punts are pointless when the defense gives up scoring drives of: 89yds, 89yds, 77yds, and 80yds in one game.

I'm not disappointed by this team...I'm disgusted.

[Shotgun Dave]

TO has been doing it all year! while glenn has been making acrobatic catches all year, it isnt even close, why are you even arguing for TO? he has 17 drops

Because apparently BleuStar likes to argue meaningless points. Glenn has been OUTSTANDING for us all year long. He has made catch after acrobatic catch. So what if he misses one catch - that's bound to happen to even the best WR's. But TO has missed critical catch after critical catch ALL YEAR LONG. Last night he dropped no fewer than 3 VERY catchable balls - at least two of which would have made a very big difference inthe game. The Elias Sports Bureau - an independent agent - says he has dropped more balls than any other WR in the league.

Anyone who tries to argue that Glenn is no better than TO in this regard is simply arguing to hear himself argue. The statisics don't support it, the videotape doesn't support it, and anyone with an ounce of intelligence and personal integrity wouldn't either. Facts are facts.

For TO to come out after this game and, yet again, complain shows just how lacking in accountability he is. I never wanted him here, I don't want him here now, and I am THIS FAR from tossing the old "I told you so" into the mix. TO is only OK to have around if everything else is going perfectly. Otherwise, he's a pain in the butt who ought to shut his mouth and either have surgery or CATCH THE DAMN BALL.

[Shotgun Dave]

He also has 12 td's.

And he would have had more if he'd just shut up and catch the ball. Like I said, he's dropping balls that my 8 year old son would catch. If he can't hang on becuase his fingers hurt then he needs to give up the slot to Hurd or Austin or whoever DOESN'T have torn tendons.

[LaTunaNostra]

Let me translate all of that to you: I'm not getting the ball enough.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75681

No, that is NOT the translation. And your making Terry's whine out to be a selfish whine in order to put him in Owen's category is ludicrous..everyone can see thru it. You've got the MOST unselfish player in the league in TG and trying to make him out to be otherwise is pure nonsense.

The translation is I haven't beeeothced and moaned about not getting the ball AT ALL, as long as we win. Haven't batted an eyelash about the attention Owens gets, haven't said ONE WORD about my personal feeds, targets, or stats all year, and did so gladly in order to WIN. Been the ultimate 'good soldier' and a silent one at that...an example all year at the 'prima donna' wideout postion of what self-sacrifice means. A model to the entire team that personal success pales beside team success.

Now coaches, design a game plan that CAN win.

[LaTunaNostra]

Anyone who tries to argue that Glenn is no better than TO in this regard is simply arguing to hear himself argue. The statisics don't support it, the videotape doesn't support it, and anyone with an ounce of intelligence and personal integrity wouldn't either. Facts are facts.



Well, TG is an arse to drop a ball AND then utter any word of complaint immediately following a game in which he did NOTHING to contribute to a win.

Of course, he is NOTHING like Owens, but Owens was supposed to become more like TG, not vice versa. ;)

[Dave_in-NC]

we thought he would make big catches...in every big game besides NO he has dropped a big catch deep down field
Philly
NYGints - had a big 3rd down catch he dropped
The Skins
Last night..

pretty simple catches that would have probably won us the game, he needs to shutup...no one wants his act anymore...the cowboys are tired of it especially after yesterday...

I would disagree. Its on the team and the staff. Owens just speaks when he shouldn't. Don't cry for the ball when you don't catch it then go public with your non sense.
owens would be ok if he didn't propel himself into the spotlight.

[Shotgun Dave]

Well, TG is an arse to drop a ball AND then utter any word of complaint immediately following a game in which he did NOTHING to contribute to a win.

Of course, he is NOTHING like Owens, but Owens was supposed to become more like TG, not vice versa. ;)


Exactly. I agree. And, if you cared to dig up my post from about 9 months ago you'd see that I vehemently disagreed with bringing on TO because of this very thing. He is divisive in the locker room and brings everyone else down. I'll admit that it hasn't been as explosive as it could have (which I attribute to BP and the rest of the team trying very hard to pull their punches) but it's clear TO is a prima donna who needs to shut up and play better. Frankly, I wish Romo'd said "Well, I can throw the ball to him every down but he's gotta start catching them more often if I do".

[Bleu Star]

Because apparently BleuStar likes to argue meaningless points. Glenn has been OUTSTANDING for us all year long. He has made catch after acrobatic catch. So what if he misses one catch - that's bound to happen to even the best WR's. But TO has missed critical catch after critical catch ALL YEAR LONG. Last night he dropped no fewer than 3 VERY catchable balls - at least two of which would have made a very big difference inthe game. The Elias Sports Bureau - an independent agent - says he has dropped more balls than any other WR in the league.

Anyone who tries to argue that Glenn is no better than TO in this regard is simply arguing to hear himself argue. The statisics don't support it, the videotape doesn't support it, and anyone with an ounce of intelligence and personal integrity wouldn't either. Facts are facts.

For TO to come out after this game and, yet again, complain shows just how lacking in accountability he is. I never wanted him here, I don't want him here now, and I am THIS FAR from tossing the old "I told you so" into the mix. TO is only OK to have around if everything else is going perfectly. Otherwise, he's a pain in the butt who ought to shut his mouth and either have surgery or CATCH THE DAMN BALL.


Please don't put words into my mouth. Let me recap for you...

TO and TG both spouted off atthe mouth. TO was just in front of a podium because if he doesn't visit the podium he gets fined. TG had the luxury of spouting off to someone with a pen, paper, and recorder on the side. Never once have I argued one receiver being better than the other. That is not my purpose in presenting an alternative point of view from the popular "hate TO" viewpoint.

Glenn has been outstanding. To has also puit up some very good stats this year. Along with that is the much maligned drop stat made popular this year by ESPN. Who had the most drops last year? No one seems to be able to tell me.

You put play makers in position to make plays. To has not made his loving running deep posts right into double teams every single play. His living has historocally been made running the quick slants to the middle of the field and them killing the other team with YAC. Why don't we throw the quick slant to him? Help me out with that one. Please don't give me the alligator arms argument either please. (deep post...) Say something constructive.

I have always enjoyed TG as a receiver on this team and have never compared one receiver to the other. Now that we have that straight feel free to carry on with your weekly hate TO party.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

we thought he would make big catches...in every big game besides NO he has dropped a big catch deep down field
Philly
NYGints - had a big 3rd down catch he dropped
The Skins
Last night..

pretty simple catches that would have probably won us the game, he needs to shutup...no one wants his act anymore...the cowboys are tired of it especially after yesterday...


Its all on T.O!!!! Your a clown...

You ever had sprained thumb??? I have had numerous sprained thumbs from shooting bricks on the basketball court and cant play or dribble with that hand effectively for two weeks. Now I cant IMAGINE what a TORN TENDON feels like or how in the world I would try to catch with it. But even in pre game you could tell that T.O was trying to catch with his PALMS????!>!>!

The guy is trying to play through the pain , but if YOU HAVE EVER played football and you dont try to catch a ball with your palms instead of your fingers unless something on your hand hurts. The one he dropped he tried to catch with his body not his hands...

Not making excuses for him but its common sense man... You and T.O share that for sure...

[Bleu Star]

And he would have had more if he'd just shut up and catch the ball. Like I said, he's dropping balls that my 8 year old son would catch. If he can't hang on becuase his fingers hurt then he needs to give up the slot to Hurd or Austin or whoever DOESN'T have torn tendons.

Although Hurd has snown promise one could easily assume Hurd, when given the playing time TO has had this year, wouldn't have 12 TDs at this point. Copper showed promise too.

Let's get back to TO's negatives though. That's the popular line of discussion. Let's get back to the smokescreen that continues to hide our one major deficiency. See my sig for more information.

[Dave_in-NC]

Please don't put words into my mouth. Let me recap for you...

TO and TG both spouted off atthe mouth. TO was just in front of a podium because if he doesn't visit the podium he gets fined. TG had the luxury of spouting off to someone with a pen, paper, and recorder on the side. Never once have I argued one receiver being better than the other. That is not my purpose in presenting an alternative point of view from the popular "hate TO" viewpoint.

Glenn has been outstanding. To has also puit up some very good stats this year. Along with that is the much maligned drop stat made popular this year by ESPN. Who had the most drops last year? No one seems to be able to tell me.

You put play makers in position to make plays. To has not made his loving running deep posts right into double teams every single play. His living has historocally been made running the quick slants to the middle of the field and them killing the other team with YAC. Why don't we throw the quick slant to him? Help me out with that one. Please don't give me the alligator arms argument either please. (deep post...) Say something constructive.

I have always enjoyed TG as a receiver on this team and have never compared one receiver to the other. Now that we have that straight feel free to carry on with your weekly hate TO party.

Are you kidding? Parcells is the coach. Parcells hates it when players or coaches talk to the press. Hell I bet he hates it when Jones talks to the press. Please I'm begging you, show me were it has been written that owens must take the mic and speak.

You get funnier every day dude.

[Bleu Star]

Are you kidding? Parcells is the coach. Parcells hates it when players or coaches talk to the press. Hell I bet he hates it when Jones talks to the press. Please I'm begging you, show me were it has been written that owens must take the mic and speak.

You get funnier every day dude.

I'm glad you find me as a source of entertainment. I'll keep my day job though. ;)

It is assumed that TO will hit the mic after every game. If he doesn't it will create a media issue. If he doesn't do it often enough there will be some sort of hoopla and fine. It happens all the time. Perceived team leaders are expected to take the mic. Do you think the media would let Romo just walk right by after every game? As a perceived spokesperson for the team the media expects whet you see cut up and placed onto BSPN every week. ProSports101.

[aikemirv]

Quick question to anyone who may know.

I know T.O.'s contract was essentially a series of 1 year deals, but is there any date at which we will know if he is going to stay or go?

Is there a bonus in March that he is due?

Just curious - I want to stay out of the debate.

[Dave_in-NC]

I'm glad you find me as a source of entertainment. I'll keep my day job though. ;)

It is assumed that TO will hit the mic after every game. If he doesn't it will create a media issue. If he doesn't do it often enough there will be some sort of hoopla and fine. It happens all the time. Perceived team leaders are expected to take the mic. Do you think the media would let Romo just walk right by after every game?


Again, SHOW me were it is written. Our head coach does not like players talking to the press. He never has. You are obviously assuming when you say he MUST take the podium. Funny as hell really.:lmao: Who the hell said owens is a team leader on top of all the crap you spew?

[Bleu Star]

Quick question to anyone who may know.

I know T.O.'s contract was essentially a series of 1 year deals, but is there any date at which we will know if he is going to stay or go?

Is there a bonus in March that he is due?

Just curious - I want to stay out of the debate.

No. Don't be shy. Feel free to join in on the weekly bash TO party. It's the "in" thing to do you know.

[Bleu Star]

Again, SHOW me were it is written. Our head coach does not like players talking to the press. He never has. You are obviously assuming when you say he MUST take the podium. Funny as hell really.:lmao: Who the hell said owens is a team leader on top of all the crap you spew?

Your responses simply prove to show you don't have much of a clue. I continue to provide you with information and you continue to seek humor. Some rules in pro sports are unwritten. "perceived" team leaders or standouts are always expected to provide media time after a game. That's elementary.

[LaTunaNostra]

Perceived team leaders are expected to take the mic.

Owens is not a perceived 'team leader', or a perceived 'team spokesman'.

He gets the mic because he's the league's lightening rod, and the mic gets thrust in his face wherever he goes.

Now he could turn it down, but that's not his style.

So be it, but he doesn't get the mic out of 'leadership'.

[Shotgun Dave]

Although Hurd has snown promise one could easily assume Hurd, when given the playing time TO has had this year, wouldn't have 12 TDs at this point. Copper showed promise too.

Let's get back to TO's negatives though. That's the popular line of discussion. Let's get back to the smokescreen that continues to hide our one major deficiency. See my sig for more information.

As for your sig, on this we agree. I think the time for Zimmer has run out.

My apologies for putting words in your mouth. As for TO, there's nothing he did last night that couldn't have been done and done BETTER than TO by another WR. Before he hurt his finger - maybe he stays in - but now that he has it is crystal clear that he is dropping balls that ANY WR ought rightly be expected to catch EVERY TIME. He has become a liability at WR because even when EVERYTHING ELSE is executed perfectly it is ANYTHING but a given that TO will catch the ball.

Again, TO was not responsible for 93 points.

[Dave_in-NC]

Your responses simply prove to show you don't have much of a clue. I continue to provide you with information and you continue to seek humor. Some rules in pro sports are unwritten. "perceived" team leaders or standouts are always expected to provide media time after a game. That's elementary.

"TO was just in front of apodium because if he doesn't visit the podium he gets fined" Are those not your words? Nice back pedal job. I challenge you to back up what you said. I don't think you can.

It's been fun but you spend to much time making crap up.

[Bleu Star]

Owens is not a perceived 'team leader', or a perceived 'team spokesman'.

He gets the mic because he's the league's lightening rod, and the mic gets thrust in his face wherever he goes.

Now he could turn it down, but that's not his style.

So be it, but he doesn't get the mic out of 'leadership'.

Hence the word perceived. You and I both know the media would not let TO get by without providing some media time. They feast off of it and as a star player, he has no choice but to sit there and give them time. It's simple pro sports procedure. It happens in basketball, baseball..etc

[Bleu Star]

TO was just in front of a podium because if he doesn't visit the podium he gets fined Are those not your words? Nice back pedal job. I challenge you to back up what you said. I don't think you can.

It's been fun but you spend to much time making crap up.

I said the potential for getting fined is great if he were to consistently shun the media. Please don't tell me you've never seen a player get fined for not giving the media their allotted time...

[Dave_in-NC]

I said the potential for getting fined is great if he were to consistently shun the media. Please don't tell me you've never seen a player get fined for not giving the media their allotted time...


NO, no read your own words again. You typed them man.:lmao:

[Bleu Star]

NO, no read your own words again. You typed them man.:lmao:

I just read them to satisfy you.

It is assumed that TO will hit the mic after every game. If he doesn't it will create a media issue. If he doesn't do it often enough there will be some sort of hoopla and fine. It happens all the time. Perceived team leaders are expected to take the mic. Do you think the media would let Romo just walk right by after every game? As a perceived spokesperson for the team the media expects whet you see cut up and placed onto BSPN every week. ProSports101.

You obviously don't understand what a professional athlete is expected to do both on and off the field. When the clock stops certain players are still expected to please the media. If they don't they are ostracized. If the don't often enough they'll get dealt with by the league. There are league policies in place for this type of stuff.

[Dave_in-NC]

I just read them to satisfy you.


You obviously don't understand what a professional athlete is expected to do both on and off the field. When the clock stops certain players are still expected to please the media. If they don't they are ostracized. If the don't often enough they'll get dealt with by the league. There are league policies in place for this type of stuff.

Prove it. Show me. You can't so just drop it, owens style. You are really looking bad here. Making it easy I might add.

[Bleu Star]

Prove it. Show me. You can't so just drop it, owens style. You are really looking bad here. Making it easy I might add.

You know what smart guy. Let's just spare everyone and assume I can 't show you a league rule just the same as you can't tell me who posessed the "most drops" crown last year. I'm sure we both have more important things to do with our day.

[Dave_in-NC]

You know what smart guy. Let's just spare everyone and assume I can 't show you a league rule just the same as you can't tell me who posessed the "most drops" crown last year. I'm sure we both have more important things to do with our day.

No not really. All I have to do is look up the most drops on the net. It's that easy. I don't see the need, especialy to satisfy you. Nice cop out though.:laugh1:

[Bleu Star]

No not really. All I have to do is look up the most drops on the net. It's that easy. I don't see the need, especialy to satisfy you. Nice cop out though.:laugh1:

Cop out? You do realize by calling mre a cop out you are also implicating yourself. Look it up. Once you find the person that had the most drops last year and provide a link I will point you to the NLF bylaws that govern dealing with the media.

[Dave_in-NC]

Cop out? You do realize by calling mre a cop out you are also implicating yourself. Look it up. Once you find the person that had the most drops last year and provide a link I will point you to the NLF bylaws that govern dealing with the media.


Nice try. Just let it go man.;)

[Bleu Star]

Nice try. Just let it go man.;)

ok. ;)

[Maikeru-sama]

we thought he would make big catches...in every big game besides NO he has dropped a big catch deep down field
Philly
NYGints - had a big 3rd down catch he dropped
The Skins
Last night..

pretty simple catches that would have probably won us the game, he needs to shutup...no one wants his act anymore...the cowboys are tired of it especially after yesterday...

Do you really think Terrell Owens is the reason for our failures. Last time I checked, this team was ranked 3rd overall on Offense and that is no ambiguous stat either, we have put up points, and part of that is because of Terrell Owens.

Owens is extremely self-serving and down right drops balls from time to time, but we were having late season collapses way way before #81 and bag came on the scene.

Not to be degrading, but it is easier to blame Owens rather than blame Parcells, as if you blame Parcells, you would have to question the coaching staff, the players and the emotional investment we all placed on this teams for 4 years now.

- Mike G.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Do you really think Terrell Owens is the reason for our failures. Last time I checked, this team was ranked 3rd overall on Offense and that is no ambiguous stat either, we have put up points, and part of that is because of Terrell Owens.

Owens is extremely self-serving and down right drops balls from time to time, but we were having late season collapses way way before #81 and bag came on the scene.

Not to be degrading, but it is easier to blame Owens rather than blame Parcells, as if you blame Parcells, you would have to question the coaching staff, the players and the emotional investment we all placed on this teams for 4 years now.

- Mike G.

TO is not the only reason, however he is ONE of the reasons.

I bash on TO to an extent because I don't like him, I don't think he has lived up to the contract and I think he needs to take care of his own biz instead of whining and doing stupid stuff.

However as I said, he is not the only reason, but he is one of the reasons.

[Maikeru-sama]

TO is not the only reason, however he is ONE of the reasons.

I bash on TO to an extent because I don't like him, I don't think he has lived up to the contract and I think he needs to take care of his own biz instead of whining and doing stupid stuff.

However as I said, he is not the only reason, but he is one of the reasons.

Besides LTN, I would probably qualify as the biggest Anti-Me-Owens guy around.

I think decent game day play calling, a more creative approach to defensive schemes and better coaching is more to blame than Me-Owens.

Is Me-Owens part of the probably, unequivocally the answer is yes, but that goes for alot of people.

The point is, you can overcome Me-Owens very easily, but you cant overcome a banal defensive play book, inability to motivate and inept coaching on occassion. Now those things will do you in every time.

Heck, it is not Owens' fault Parcells didnt get his defense ready to stop the fullback until 4 touchdowns and 3 weeks later.

- Mike G.

[tyke1doe]

Because apparently BleuStar likes to argue meaningless points. Glenn has been OUTSTANDING for us all year long. He has made catch after acrobatic catch. So what if he misses one catch - that's bound to happen to even the best WR's. But TO has missed critical catch after critical catch ALL YEAR LONG. Last night he dropped no fewer than 3 VERY catchable balls - at least two of which would have made a very big difference inthe game. The Elias Sports Bureau - an independent agent - says he has dropped more balls than any other WR in the league.

Anyone who tries to argue that Glenn is no better than TO in this regard is simply arguing to hear himself argue. The statisics don't support it, the videotape doesn't support it, and anyone with an ounce of intelligence and personal integrity wouldn't either. Facts are facts.

For TO to come out after this game and, yet again, complain shows just how lacking in accountability he is. I never wanted him here, I don't want him here now, and I am THIS FAR from tossing the old "I told you so" into the mix. TO is only OK to have around if everything else is going perfectly. Otherwise, he's a pain in the butt who ought to shut his mouth and either have surgery or CATCH THE DAMN BALL.

:clap:

I think the other thing that needs to be pointed out is that T.O. - not T.G. - is making $10 million this year.

Now, if he wants to get paid like T.G. then we'll excuse him for those critical drops.

But I doubt he's going to give back any money so we shouldn't relent on the criticism either.

[tyke1doe]

Hence the word perceived. You and I both know the media would not let TO get by without providing some media time. They feast off of it and as a star player, he has no choice but to sit there and give them time. It's simple pro sports procedure. It happens in basketball, baseball..etc


So what's the worst the media can say, "T.O. suddenly silent."

I'll take that kind of controversy every day and twice on Sunday. :)

[Bleu Star]

:clap:

I think the other thing that needs to be pointed out is that T.O. - not T.G. - is making $10 million this year.

Now, if he wants to get paid like T.G. then we'll excuse him for those critical drops.

But I doubt he's going to give back any money so we shouldn't relent on the criticism either.

If you read that post I would also assume you read my reply to it on the bottom of page 1. Never have I cast TO as being better than TG or made any blind attempts to compare the two receivers. I Just wanted to make that crystal clear. People tend to not read posts in threads, see a quote from earlier, and run with it. Just setting the record straight before someone sees your post and decides to pile onto yours truly. ;)

[Bleu Star]

So what's the worst the media can say, "T.O. suddenly silent."

I'll take that kind of controversy every day and twice on Sunday. :)

It'll never happen man. TO will never shy away from the requests for his presence and the media will never stop making said requests until he retires. My only hope is that we somehow learn how to get the ball into his hands quickly on some of his signature quick slants across the middle and let him improvise or else we're done come playoff time. How do you have a highlight reel consisting of quick slants taken to the house, bring the guy in, and make him run sideline flys. Let TG run the fly route and get the ball into TO's hands quickly before the double team has any chance to develop.

Teams have double teamed him his whole career and creative offenses in the past have found ways to exploit the double team by hitting him before the double team has any chance to develop. Watching this is sickening.

News flash for the OC: TG is more likely to get open on a deep fly route since the FS will always be shadowing Owens as soon as he hits that level.

[utrunner07]

we thought he would make big catches...in every big game besides NO he has dropped a big catch deep down field
Philly
NYGints - had a big 3rd down catch he dropped
The Skins
Last night..

pretty simple catches that would have probably won us the game, he needs to shutup...no one wants his act anymore...the cowboys are tired of it especially after yesterday...

I am sure a lot of people are bashing you but I completely agree. People need to realize that this is TO dropping things not Sam Hurd, TO was brought in to be the difference maker and is paid to be a difference maker, unfortunately it is the other teams that appear to be paying him. You are right on.

[LaTunaNostra]

Never have I cast TO as being better than TG or made any blind attempts to compare the two receivers. I Just wanted to make that crystal clear. People tend to not read posts in threads, see a quote from earlier, and run with it. Just setting the record straight before someone sees your post and decides to pile onto yours truly. ;)

Well, the third post in this thread was yours and it read

Glenn dropped 2 passes yesterday and complained to the media as well. Is it still all on TO? Hmmm...

Which is true but since TG has one fourth TO's drops and this is the first time he has spoken out this year (and on behalf of the entire O, not his own targets), the attempt to paint Terry with the brush Owens has earned did seem unfair.

[Bleu Star]

Well, the third post in this thread was yours and it read

Glenn dropped 2 passes yesterday and complained to the media as well. Is it still all on TO? Hmmm...

Which is true but since TG has one fourth TO's drops and this is the first time he has spoken out this year (and on behalf of the entire O, not his own targets), the attempt to paint Terry with the brush Owens has earned did seem unfair.



Apples and oranges. I was simply pointing out that "another receiver besides TO dropped a pass and complained vocally to the media". It's quite obvious to me that I was not comparing the quality of one receiver to another. That's juvenile. They're both great receivers. My point was strictly to counter the 1st post in this thread which stated:

we thought he would make big catches...in every big game besides NO he has dropped a big catch deep down field
Philly
NYGints - had a big 3rd down catch he dropped
The Skins
Last night..

pretty simple catches that would have probably won us the game, he needs to shutup...no one wants his act anymore...the cowboys are tired of it especially after yesterday...

See the difference? I never said TO was better than Glenn. I simply stated TO wasn't the only one dropping passes yesterday.

[Dave_in-NC]

Apples and oranges. I was simply pointing out that "another receiver besides TO dropped a pass and complained vocally to the media". It's quite obvious to me that I was not comparing the quality of one receiver to another. That's juvenile. They're both great receivers. My point was strictly to counter the 1st post in this thread which stated:



See the difference? I never said TO was better than Owens. I simply stated TO wasn't the only one dropping passes yesterday.

Aren't TO and owens the same guy? Just ribbing you, I know you meant TG
:)

[Bleu Star]

Aren't TO and owens the same guy? Just ribbing you, I know you meant TG
:)

Fixed just for you.

[GTaylor]

Quick question to anyone who may know.

I know T.O.'s contract was essentially a series of 1 year deals, but is there any date at which we will know if he is going to stay or go?

Is there a bonus in March that he is due?

Just curious - I want to stay out of the debate.
I believe the next 2 year bonuses are in March. And if we're lucky this idiot will be kicked to the curb and become someone else's problem.

[LaTunaNostra]

Apples and oranges. I was simply pointing out that "another receiver besides TO dropped a pass and complained vocally to the media". It's quite obvious to me that I was not comparing the quality of one receiver to another. That's juvenile. They're both great receivers. My point was strictly to counter the 1st post in this thread which stated:

Yeah, but 'countering' TO with TG isn't the way to go. That first post was about dropping a big pass in several big games this year, and TG has not done that. Neither has he run his mouth game after game about not being 'involved'.

It's clear enough you tried to get the heat off TO and on TG.

Unwisely. ;)

[Bleu Star]

Yeah, but 'countering' TO with TG isn't the way to go. That first post was about dropping a big pass in several big games this year, and TG has not done that. Neither has he run his mouth game after game about not being 'involved'.

It's clear enough you tried to get the heat off TO and on TG.

Unwisely. ;)

Nah. It's clear I was simply pointing out that another receiver dropped passes yesterday and spouted off to the media about his frustration. Nothing more. Nothing less. We're talking about what happened yesterday.

The only difference is one spouts often because a mic is jammed into his grill 24/7 and the other can quietly co-exist without the media scrutiny (obviously because he's a better person off the field...)

[LaTunaNostra]

Nah. It's clear I was simply pointing out that another receiver dropped passes yesterday and spouted off to the media about his frustration. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I admire your defenses of Owens..the quantity more than the quality, but all the same, I admire them.

I love me my players too, but when they screw up, I'm the first out with the pitchfork.

Much as I love TG, no way would I have the nerve to take his part if he had 17 drops this season. And I sure wouldn't be able to recommed he get the ball MORE. I'd just sit and cringe and hope he got it together soon.

So, props to your relentless pursuit of Owens' interests. I've seen nothing like it in all my years as an NFL fan.

[Bleu Star]

I admire your defenses of Owens..the quantity more than the quality, but all the same, I admire them.

I love me my players too, but when they screw up, I'm the first out with the pitchfork.

Much as I love TG, no way would I have the nerve to take his part if he had 17 drops this season. And I sure wouldn't be able to recommed he get the ball MORE. I'd just sit and cringe and hope he got it together soon.

So, props to your relentless pursuit of Owens' interests. I've seen nothing like it in all my years as an NFL fan.

Here's the bottom line. I don't love the guy but I reecognize that if we are to do anything this year playoffwise it will be because both he and TG are contributing heavily in the passing game. All this other crap is water under the bridge because if we're hoisting Lombardi trophy #6 everyone will rejoice together. Whether he's back next year or not... I'll let the haters continue to spew. I'm only worried about trying to get another trophy this year. If he's gone after this year I sincerely hope we get something adequate in here, be it another standout vet or a top draft pick. I'm not ready to slip back to mediocrity and, contrary to popular opinion, I don't believe TO has been the detriment that some write him off to be. Therefore, I will stand firm on my belief that we have many problems which should be openly discussed. These problems include, but are not limited to, TO.

[LaTunaNostra]

Here's the bottom line. I don't love the guy but I reecognize thatif we are to do anything this year playoffwise it will be because both he and TG are contributing heavily in the passing game. All this other crap is water under the bridge because if we're hoisting Lombardi trophy #6 everyone will rejoice together. Whether he's back next year or not... I'll let the haters continue to spew. I'm only worried about trying to get another trophy this year. If he's gone after this year I sincerely hope we get something adequate in here, be it another standout vet or a top draft pick. I'm not ready to slip back to mediocrity and, contrary to popular opinion, I don't believe TO has been the detriment that some write him off to be. Therefore, I will stand firm on my belief that we have many problems which should be openly discussed. These problems included, but are not limited to, TO.

The biggest problem is the D, of course.

The second is Bill's latest bout of being outcoached.

And those two 'issues' mean the O has to 'save us', save us with as flawless execution as can be mustered, considering we have a still developmental QB facing his first playoffs.

The two veteran receivers on this team are the most charged with seeing to it that execution is crisp and that motivation is relentlessly dynamic. Much more of that responsibility falls on TG, as the senior skills player on offense. It was he asked to address the team before the Jints gam, not Owens.

Terry needs to come out of his shell, step up, and take charge of the receiver corps, and make a point of supporting Romo as much as possible. I don't mind his mouthing off this ONCE this year if he is speaking for the entire O, as he said.

But he darn well better not make dropping balls a habit.

It's beyond useless to expect Owens to change, but he too could at least try to lead by example. If the QB throws a pick, tackle the interceptor, or try to. Get away from the tightrope strut on the sidelines and give your QB room to make the throw. And stop thinking about your celebration in the endzone before securing the ball - that alone would halve the Owens' drops, imo.

'All these weapons', sure, but most of them are very young. Jujo, MBIII, Jason, Fasano, Pat....the other offensive skills players, even Tony, should be able to look to Glenn and Owens for examples of playoff quality play and demeanor.

Yesterday, both failed miserably.

I cannot defend Terry, and no one can defend TO for those performances yesterday...those so-called 'weapons' ought to be doing more than their share - may have to end up compensating for the D and the coaching, not screwing up.

[Bleu Star]

The biggest problem is the D, of course.

The second is Bill's latest bout of being outcoached.

And those two 'issues' mean the O has to 'save us', save us with as flawless execution as can be mustered, considering we have a still developmental QB facing his first playoffs.

The two veteran receivers on this team are the most charged with seeing to it that execution is crisp and that motivation is relentlessly dynamic. Much more of that responsibility falls on TG, as the senior skills player on offense. It was he asked to address the team before the Jints gam, not Owens.

Terry needs to come out of his shell, step up, and take charge of the receiver corps, and make a point of supporting Romo as much as possible. I don't mind his mouthing off this ONCE this year if he is speaking for the entire O, as he said.

But he darn well better not make dropping balls a habit.

It's beyond useless to expect Owens to change, but he too could at least try to lead by example. If the QB throws a pick, tackle the interceptor, or try to. Get away from the tightrope strut on the sidelines and give your QB room to make the throw. And stop thinking about your celebration in the endzone before securing the ball - that alone would halve the Owens' drops, imo.

'All these weapons', sure, but most of them are very young. Jujo, MBIII, Jason, Fasano, Pat....the other offensive skills players, even Tony, should be able to look to Glenn and Owens for examples of playoff quality play and demeanor.

Yesterday, both failed miserably.

I cannot defend Terry, and no one can defend TO for those performances yesterday...those so-called 'weapons' ought to be doing more than their share - may have to end up compensating for the D and the coaching, not screwing up.


I couldn't agree more with everything you said. I remain hopeful that the conundrum of issues facing this team dwindle significantly before our next statement game.

[EPL0c0]

Terrell *DID* have a play on defense...so I guess we can blame the defensive failures on Owens.

Oy vey Did nobody learn anything from watching the Eagles struggle last year after Owens was benched? Anybody notice how their problems continued without him and continued partly into this season? ('til Bill saved their day).

Owens is NOT the end-all-be-all of the teams' problems. He doesn't even rank in the top 5.

1) Predictable and conservative offensive play calling
2) Predictable and conservative defensive scheming
3) Lack of execution from O/D-lines out to WRs and CBs respectively
4) LB'ing corp that refuses to step up. You are the "4" in 3-4 stupids!
5) Rowdy

[Dave_in-NC]

Terrell *DID* have a play on defense...so I guess we can blame the defensive failures on Owens.

Oy vey Did nobody learn anything from watching the Eagles struggle last year after Owens was benched? Anybody notice how their problems continued without him and continued partly into this season? ('til Bill saved their day).

Owens is NOT the end-all-be-all of the teams' problems. He doesn't even rank in the top 5.

1) Predictable and conservative offensive play calling
2) Predictable and conservative defensive scheming
3) Lack of execution from O/D-lines out to WRs and CBs respectively
4) LB'ing corp that refuses to step up. You are the "4" in 3-4 stupids!
5) Rowdy


Yeah, the Eagles really seem to miss owens this season also. McNuggets injuries had nothing to do with last season.

[tyke1doe]

Yeah, the Eagles really seem to miss owens this season also. McNuggets injuries had nothing to do with last season.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

Owens was brought in to Philly to put the team over the top.

The Eagles had a solid defense and solid offense prior to last year. (In our hatred for the Eagles, many Cowboys fans didn't want to recognize the fact that this team is the same team that essentially went to four NFC Championship Games.)

Even the Eagles didn't see Owens as the Messiah. Simply as a part of the whole. But Owens saw himself differently, which led to his problems in Philly.

So lo and behold, the Eagles fall flat last year, they oust T.O. and many Cowboys fans are ready to sing their demise and scream how stupid they are to get rid of T.O.

But that same team is now in the playoffs and is likely going to win the NFC East WITHOUT T.O.

And to make matters worse, they swept a team that has T.O. on its squad and is facing some of the same griping that Philly experienced with T.O.

It aint about T.O. and his play, true.

It's more about having a solid defensive line and a solid offensive line and a solid running game. The Eagles have figured out in the absence of McNabb that they need to be a more balanced team - which is what their fans had been crying for for years.

McNabb's injury forced the Eagles to do that. And with the team's attention to the lines through the draft, it's no wonder they're doing well without T.O.

I say the Eagles are doing fine without him. I dare say the Cowboys will survive if he's not here next year.

Maybe then we can focus on a strategy other than placating T.O.
(I'm convinced that deep ball throw was more a desire to placate T.O. than anything.)

He has to get his balls and his touchdowns.

But the Eagles are showing that there is indeed L.A.T.O. - Life After T.O.

Maybe we'll take a page from them. Maybe. ;)

[Doomsday]

Why is it everytime the defense gets used and abused people call for TO's head?

[mr.jameswoods]

This is exactly why you don't sign TO. He has the nerve to complain about seeing less attention yet he drops 3 key passes in the game yesterday. He is a cancer on this team. I'm not putting the blame on him for yesterdays loss but he is a distraction and having good guys on the team creates harmony in the locker room. Look at Philly this year. They had their downward spell. If TO was on the team, he would have just made it worse. This year, their morale was maintained and that team rebounded thanks in large part to not having guys like TO on their team.

[LaTunaNostra]

L.A.T.O. - Life After T.O.



Sounds like Paradise to me, Tyke.

Next season with Tony having a year starting under his belt, there is no reason to saddle him with this whiner.

[Shotgun Dave]

Why is it everytime the defense gets used and abused people call for TO's head?

Maybe it's because when the defense gets abused we're usually behind and that's when - more than usual - TO's drops get more frequent and his mouth bigger. Honestly, if he had just SHUT THE &$#% UP and played dominos with the Eagles players AFTER the game instead of pointing out how he needs to be involved earlier it wouldn't have served only to highlight how pathetic his play was.

I'm sick of our defense getting abused, and I'm sick of Owens' whining. You want more balls thrown at you? Catch the first ones.

[Dave_in-NC]

I think you hit the nail on the head.

Owens was brought in to Philly to put the team over the top.

The Eagles had a solid defense and solid offense prior to last year. (In our hatred for the Eagles, many Cowboys fans didn't want to recognize the fact that this team is the same team that essentially went to four NFC Championship Games.)

Even the Eagles didn't see Owens as the Messiah. Simply as a part of the whole. But Owens saw himself differently, which led to his problems in Philly.

So lo and behold, the Eagles fall flat last year, they oust T.O. and many Cowboys fans are ready to sing their demise and scream how stupid they are to get rid of T.O.

But that same team is now in the playoffs and is likely going to win the NFC East WITHOUT T.O.

And to make matters worse, they swept a team that has T.O. on its squad and is facing some of the same griping that Philly experienced with T.O.

It aint about T.O. and his play, true.

It's more about having a solid defensive line and a solid offensive line and a solid running game. The Eagles have figured out in the absence of McNabb that they need to be a more balanced team - which is what their fans had been crying for for years.

McNabb's injury forced the Eagles to do that. And with the team's attention to the lines through the draft, it's no wonder they're doing well without T.O.

I say the Eagles are doing fine without him. I dare say the Cowboys will survive if he's not here next year.

Maybe then we can focus on a strategy other than placating T.O.
(I'm convinced that deep ball throw was more a desire to placate T.O. than anything.)

He has to get his balls and his touchdowns.

But the Eagles are showing that there is indeed L.A.T.O. - Life After T.O.

Maybe we'll take a page from them. Maybe. ;)

Nice, well done. I feel that some super stars can hurt a team more than they can help. In the case of owens that could be true, we wont know until he's gone. Much like the Eagles. I never wanted him from the get go, you can't change the man. We have done better than any one else could at keeping him under control some what, but I fail to see his worth.

Maybe we can take a page from the Eagles, it wouldn't hurt.

[Chuck 54]

No fan of the Cowboys will be happier than me on the day T.O. is no longer wearing our uniform...I can't stand him, but he had nothing to do with us losing on Christmas day...that loss is entirely on the defense, imo.

The defense has to get some stops, get the offense back on the field, win some field position, give the offense a chance to get in rhythm, something.

The Eagles dominated our defense yesterday from beginning to end...period.

[Dave_in-NC]

No fan of the Cowboys will be happier than me on the day T.O. is no longer wearing our uniform...I can't stand him, but he had nothing to do with us losing on Christmas day...that loss is entirely on the defense, imo.

The defense has to get some stops, get the offense back on the field, win some field position, give the offense a chance to get in rhythm, something.

The Eagles dominated our defense yesterday from beginning to end...period.

Thats all true to a point. When the defense isn't doing so well, thats when a strong offense should help out. The offense didn't do so much to help keep our awful defense off the field either. We didn't sustain any drives.
Drops from the super star didn't help.

[ka0tik]

T.O is not the problem WR is not the problem , its obvious that when we lose all you T.O haters come out and bash him and count over n over his drops. You guys think we would of done sumthing different if T.O catches that pass from Romo? I doubt it! especially with our great Defense. B/c they probably would of come out and gotten beat again, like they have been gettin beat the past 3 games.

This defense is not steppin up. it has not been steppin up. the reason we beat Atlanta was b/c our offense was on mostly all cylinders. vick looked like Dan Marino for an instance. Brees had a field day, and Garcia reminded me of Steve young. this D is pathetic. why bring up T.O?

T.O was a big factor we even won in Atlanta, and he gets no props. sum of you just dont see that. Im not gonna bring up the stats b/c ur gonna just throw em under the bus. he has wut? 12 tds ..oohh but wait!!! hes dropped 18-19 passes? HE SUX! well...a healthy hand would work! hes not the only one whining now..the whole offense is. wut a whiner TO is huh? :rolleyes: they just need to **** and play.

I expect changes on Defense this offseason, with BP still here. and a new D coordinator. and no i'm not defending T.O b/c hes my idol or b/c hes the best bla bla, I could care less if he leaves after this year, meh..but he certainly aint the problem.

[Bleu Star]

T.O is not the problem WR is not the problem , its obvious that when we lose all you T.O haters come out and bash him and count over n over his drops. You guys think we would of done sumthing different if T.O catches that pass from Romo? I doubt it! especially with our great Defense. B/c they probably would of come out and gotten beat again, like they have been gettin beat the past 3 games.

This defense is not steppin up. it has not been steppin up. the reason we beat Atlanta was b/c our offense was on mostly all cylinders. vick looked like Dan Marino for an instance. Brees had a field day, and Garcia reminded me of Steve young. this D is pathetic. why bring up T.O?

T.O was a big factor we even won in Atlanta, and he gets no props. sum of you just dont see that. Im not gonna bring up the stats b/c ur gonna just throw em under the bus. he has wut? 12 tds ..oohh but wait!!! hes dropped 18-19 passes? HE SUX! well...a healthy hand would work! hes not the only one whining now..the whole offense is. wut a whiner TO is huh? :rolleyes: they just need to **** and play.

I expect changes on Defense this offseason, with BP still here. and a new D coordinator. and no i'm not defending T.O b/c hes my idol or b/c hes the best bla bla, I could care less if he leaves after this year, meh..but he certainly aint the problem.

Save your breath man. You're talking to a brick wall. I hear you loud and clear though.

:starspin

[Shotgun Dave]

Isn't it at least a remote possibility that both the defense and our "superstar" receiver dropping pass after pass are a problem?

I don't recall anyone on here saying "nah man, our defense is solid". The most confirmed TO haters (and that includes me - always will) have a seemingly unique ability to see that more than one thing is not what it should be. Don't get ticked just because we don't like a WR who drops several potentially game-changing balls every game coming out and WHINING that he's not being thrown to often enough.

What's with all the TO coddling anyway? He's a grown man who gets paid millions and millions of dollars every year. All I want him to do is not lead the league in dropped passes before he opens his big mouth. Just be second or third in the league in dropped passes - then he can whine.

[Ratmatt]

like i said in every big loss TO has dropped the passes...if he catches that ball deep yesterday we may have won...what jerrah said could have been directed at him bringing in TO too...TO is out...BP is out...clean house with all coaches...bring in cowher and things will change immediately.
First of all,Bill Cowher isn't coming here!If Bill Cowher still wants to coach,he will stay at Pittsburgh.So you might as well forget that one.Second,do you really believe how our defense is playing,that we would have won that game if Owens had caught that ball.Look,I agree that Owens drops are a problem,but this team has way bigger problems then that.

[STSINAZ]

Terrell Owens is not worth the trouble. His drops are now an epidemic he cannot shake. His drop in the 3rd Quarter was nearly the Cowboys last prayer, and the second his play has eroded below “top 5” WR in the league was the second that his behavior became enough to send him away in the off-season. I supported his signing, but that was before the Sunday tradition of drive-ending drops that he has introduced this season.

from someone at the ticket!