RECAP-Terrance Newman on LBOH show...

[MichaelWinicki]

It's not the scheme... the scheme worked earlier in the year vs. Washington (first time), Carolina and Indy


Knew what the Eagles were going to do going in-- "run to the left"



Guys have to be accountable-- just can't treat them as "friends". Need to treat them as "co-workers"



Have too many "talkers" in the locker-room... can tell before the game how the defense will perform. If there is a lot of "talking" before the game the defense doesn't seem to play as well


Guys are thinking "too much" and not going out there and just playing on defense


The Probowl should be boycotted... several deserving players not going

[MichaelWinicki]

I thought the implied statement that we have too many "talkers" on defense and that that some guys are talking "better" than they are playing is very indicting to the defense.

[goshan]

Still trying to figure out the "talkers"
I know one is Spears.
Another is probably Canty.
Wonder who else?

[Apollo Creed]

Spears and Canty most def. Can't think of anyone else.

[jbz64]

I thought the implied statement that we have too many "talkers" on defense and that that some guys are talking "better" than they are playing is very indicting to the defense.

Must be talking about Bradie James. He's the only one that talks in interviews.

[goshan]

James is a smart guy though.
He doesn't usually come across as a cocky trash talker.
Now he hasn't played well but I don't think of him as a "talker".

[cowboysfan]

didn't aaron glenn also organise a "talk" to the players ?

[TVMan]

So, is this the time to divide a lockerroom with these comments?
Is this what Bill would want Newman to do?

The timing is for these comments is suspect in my opinion. Newman might want to look in the mirror. He is not without fault.

[DBoys]

So, is this the time to divide a lockerroom with these comments?
Is this what Bill would want Newman to do?

The timing is for these comments is suspect in my opinion. Newman might want to look in the mirror. He is not without fault.

Neman is the best player on defense.

[TVMan]

Neman is the best player on defense.

He might be the most consistant. I wouldn't say that he is the best.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Newman is correct with his assessment because it's time to just play "football" and stop all the excuses and talking!

[TVMan]

Newman is correct with his assessment because it's time to just play "football" and stop all the excuses and talking!

So, why doesn't he talk to his teammates first?

[wileedog]

So, why doesn't he talk to his teammates first?

Maybe he has.

[Chocolate Lab]

He said it was very hard to even take a shower last night as sick as he was about the way they played.

He also made the comments Mike touched on that I put in another thread... That some guys talk it up great but don't seem to get that you have to do it on the field.

Said that he was disappointed about the Pro Bowl, but that he tried not to let it bother him because he got a lot of respect from players around the league who told him what a good player he was. He said every week players tell him how well he handles his business, and even yesterday Lito Sheppard told him he got robbed.

As far as comments dividing the locker room, Newman is always very careful to be very P.C. and defend his teammates. One reason I don't usually post comments from his show is that they are kind of bland, actually. This was the most revealing thing he's really said so far, but even then, he didn't name any names. So it's not like he was throwing anyone in particluar under the bus.

[DBoys]

So, why doesn't he talk to his teammates first?

This is the 4th meltdown it's not like this is the first time this has happened.

[SupermanXx]

man.. to hear this from our best player on defense...

could Newman tell this to the players themselves and become our defensive leader? he has the results to back it up

[rw54]

Neman is the best player on defense.

He should still keep quiet and not pull a "Strahan". If he has someone in mind he should tell that player or players and leave it at that. Whenever the a ship starts sinking there will be those that look to protect the officers. Just shut up and do your job.

[Juke99]

I think another VERY telling remark is that players are thinking too much.

[Wood]

I think the point is that Newmann can tell even before kick-off how the defense will play. Its completely clear there is no leadership in that lockeroom who can direct some of the "talkers" energy onto the football field.

[Ashwynn]

He might be the most consistant. I wouldn't say that he is the best.

Who would you say, Ware? Maybe, but Newmans certainly right there with Ware. Nobody else even comes close. For my money, I would say Newman is the most consistant and best player on our defense.

[DBoys]

He should still keep quiet and not pull a "Strahan". If he has someone in mind he should tell that player or players and leave it at that. Whenever the a ship starts sinking there will be those that look to protect the officers. Just shut up and do your job.

After 4 meltdowns someone needs to speak up not keep quiet. He didn't name names he just pointed out problems. Newman played well so he has the right to talk.

[SupermanXx]

He should still keep quiet and not pull a "Strahan". If he has someone in mind he should tell that player or players and leave it at that. Whenever the a ship starts sinking there will be those that look to protect the officers. Just shut up and do your job.

Yeah Terence, just shut up and do your job... be a robot, accept weeks of horrific defensive play. Say nothing. Conform! :rolleyes:

[MichaelWinicki]

I think another VERY telling remark is that players are thinking too much.


That along with seeing guys talk and not playing up to their "talking" is very telling in my book.

[dragon_mikal]

He might be the most consistant. I wouldn't say that he is the best.


Who is the best player on defense? Roy is garbage in coverage. Ware gets to the quarterback once in a while but once you know his game he easily dispatched.

Who else is there? Who else on the defense plays at a high level every game?

Newman is the best player on the defense because he actually does his job every week. Can't be said of anyone else. Maybe Ellis...but he isn't playing right now is he?

[dbair1967]

I think another VERY telling remark is that players are thinking too much.

yep...handcuffed by a stupid defensive scheme...whether Newman wants to publicly admit it or not

he (and the others) doesnt make plays because thats our style...

David

[DBoys]

I think another VERY telling remark is that players are thinking too much.

Anybody can see this is a coaching problem.

Look at the 4 years under BP.

We are making the same mistakes in the same situations.

[SupermanXx]

how can you call Newman inconsistant????

the man consistantly didn't give up a touchdown for a season and a half.... good gosh

[rw54]

After 4 meltdowns someone needs to speak up not keep quiet. He didn't name names he just pointed out problems. Newman played well so he has the right to talk.

He can and should confront the players. But don't take it public. That never helps.

[Mr Cowboy]

So, is this the time to divide a lockerroom with these comments?
Is this what Bill would want Newman to do?

The timing is for these comments is suspect in my opinion. Newman might want to look in the mirror. He is not without fault.

Divide? maybe it brings them together. What could it hurt, are they gonna play like crap becasue fo what TNew said.

They are already playing that way!

yep...handcuffed by a stupid defensive scheme...whether Newman wants to publicly admit it or not

he (and the others) doesnt make plays because thats our style...


That has always been a problem here, they are robots. They have to be thinking all the time instead of playing naturally. Same thing happened last year, the players were so concerned with being technically sound, (Zimmer's style) instead of playing instinctively. BP should just let them play and do their jobs.

[SupermanXx]

whoops... I misunderstood and thought you said "inconsistant".

My bad (and for some reason, I don't have a damn freakin edit button anymore)

[Apollo Creed]

BPs mind games I tell ya. Ruined Julius Jones' career, ran Larry Allen outta town, confused Antonio Bryant's dumb arse.

[Chocolate Lab]

man.. to hear this from our best player on defense...

could Newman tell this to the players themselves and become our defensive leader? he has the results to back it up

I have nothing to back this up, but I've always had the feeling since Parcells got here that there's an attitude of, "Who are you to tell me what to do? What have you done?" on this team, especially on defense.

I'm not especially blaming Parcells for that, although sometimes I wonder if the way he feels he has to humble *everyone* has something to do with it. Maybe it's just that we don't have anyone who's made multiple Pro Bowls and All Pros other than Roy -- and he obviously isn't a vocal leader.

Even Bradie or Newman, who reportedly are the closest to leaders in there, could be retorted with a "What lets you tell me how to run my business?" from a young player on that D.

Anyone else get this feeling?

[Apollo Creed]

I have nothing to back this up, but I've always had the feeling since Parcells got here that there's an attitude of, "Who are you to tell me what to do? What have you done?" on this team, especially on defense.

I'm not especially blaming Parcells for that, although sometimes I wonder if the way he feels he has to humble *everyone* has something to do with it. Maybe it's just that we don't have anyone who's made multiple Pro Bowls and All Pros other than Roy -- and he obviously isn't a vocal leader.

Even Bradie or Newman, who reportedly are the closest to leaders in there, could be retorted with a "What lets you tell me how to run my business?" from a young player on that D.

Anyone else get this feeling?

I definitly agree, BP humbles every player each week therefore no one can really be a leader. Who is going to listen to a guy that gets ripped earlier that week in a BP press conference?

[theogt]

I think another VERY telling remark is that players are thinking too much.It's amazing that they're thinking too much. It's not like we're running a complex defense. It's about as simple as a high school defense.

[silver]

i agree, motion creates emotion. let newman talk. they couldn't play more uninspired if they tried. they miss ellis more than they thought they would. his absence on and off the field is having a huge impact. and so far nobody has picked up the leadership void left by him. yesterday you could tell they wanted to be anywhere but on the field. guys getting nicked and bruised. is as if they were hungover or something.

[ZeroClub]

I think another VERY telling remark is that players are thinking too much.Well, if that's the problem, we've got some serious philosophers on this defense.

I think, therefore I stink.

[Juke99]

That along with seeing guys talk and not playing up to their "talking" is very telling in my book.

Well ya know, I've been very supportive of Parcells :D ...and I've often said that he has these guys thinking "Don't make a mistake" rather than just allowing them to let their athletic ability show....

It's a new era. I compared today's NFL to the NBA earlier this morning.

While I loved the "old" era in the NBA, where teams played smart team oriented basketball, it's now a game that is dependent upon athleticism and playmaking.

Same with the NFL.

AND the irony is, we make a TON of mistakes anyway.

[Juke99]

It's amazing that they're thinking too much. It's not like we're running a complex defense. It's about as simple as a high school defense.

Honestly, and this is with me trying to temper my Parcells criticisms...I think they are petrified to make a mistake.

Heck, even the simplest task becomes a mind screwing if you're constantly thinking "Don't screw up...don't screw up"

And...ya end up screwing up even MORE that way.

[Apollo Creed]

Our guys aren't supposed to be super athletic, make plays all over the field kinda guys. They are supposed to be bend but not break kinda players, but they just end up breaking and sucking every week.

[royhitshard]

Honestly, and this is with me trying to temper my Parcells criticisms...I think they are petrified to make a mistake.

Heck, even the simplest task becomes a mind screwing if you're constantly thinking "Don't screw up...don't screw up"

And...ya end up screwing up even MORE that way.

:hammer: :hammer:

[Chocolate Lab]

Honestly, and this is with me trying to temper my Parcells criticisms...I think they are petrified to make a mistake.

Heck, even the simplest task becomes a mind screwing if you're constantly thinking "Don't screw up...don't screw up"

And...ya end up screwing up even MORE that way.

Hey Juke, how do you like the Parcells fave, "Don't you be the one who screws it up for the other 52 guys" and/or "Don't you be the one that makes everyone else stay home."

I wonder if you could find a single industrial psychologist in the world who would agree with that line of "motivation"?

[Juke99]

:hammer: :hammer:

Man oh man...I just made it in under the wire...that's the first post I've put up in 2006 that someone has agreed with. :D

Some players respond well to this type of coaching. Some don't.

[ZeroClub]

Honestly, and this is with me trying to temper my Parcells criticisms...I think they are petrified to make a mistake.

Heck, even the simplest task becomes a mind screwing if you're constantly thinking "Don't screw up...don't screw up"

And...ya end up screwing up even MORE that way.
That only works for so long.

If you are petrified to make a mistake, but you keep on making mistakes, eventually you will no longer be pertrified to make them.

You just expect to make them - see them as inevitable - and essentially cease to care about making them.

[theogt]

Honestly, and this is with me trying to temper my Parcells criticisms...I think they are petrified to make a mistake.

Heck, even the simplest task becomes a mind screwing if you're constantly thinking "Don't screw up...don't screw up"

And...ya end up screwing up even MORE that way.That may be true, but with the way they were screwing up lately, it's a lose-lose situation no matter how you treat them. You can expect them to not make stupid mental mistakes and not coach mental mistakes or you can get on their case. Either way, they're playing stupid.

[Juke99]

Hey Juke, how do you like the Parcells fave, "Don't you be the one who screws it up for the other 52 guys" and/or "Don't you be the one that makes everyone else stay home."

I wonder if you could find a single industrial psychologist in the world who would agree with that line of "motivation"?



I wrote about those comments earlier.

I consider myself a football fan; not an expert. None of us here are. But I do consider myself somewhat of a management expert. I own my company and have just begun to cultivate a career in management consulting which I will transition into over the next few years.

Many people tend to downplay the important of management/leadership...and see it as "soft" aspects of the game.

A football team is no different than any other organization.

I'll give you a GREAT example of the management philosophy that was employed in the last company I worked in.

The CEO came to my office and asked "Have you made any mistakes lately?"

When I replied "NO" he said "That's too bad. The only way to not make a mistake is by being too conservative and not being creative. We don't want that kind of employee in our company"

BINGO.

I was changed forever.

Anyone who has played sports on ANY level knows, you can't play scared.

THAT is why this team has no spark.

[SupermanXx]

^ love the analogy Juke

(now give me back my damn edit button!!!!) :)

[md2005]

I definitly agree, BP humbles every player each week therefore no one can really be a leader. Who is going to listen to a guy that gets ripped earlier that week in a BP press conference?
Dont agree, his earlier teams were filled with leaders. Harry Carson, Pepper Johnson, Bryan Cox etc. In order to get this defense to work the LB's need to create havoc. Its been rather convenient for everyone to rip Spears and Canty (for some obvious reasons) But the run defense has been good for most of the season. The true problems are with the LB corp. They need to be the playmakers on the squad and with the exception of Ware the other backers have ZERO ability to make a big play.

[DBoys]

I wrote about those comments earlier.

I consider myself a football fan; not an expert. None of us here are. But I do consider myself somewhat of a management expert. I own my company and have just begun to cultivate a career in management consulting which I will transition into over the next few years.

Many people tend to downplay the important of management/leadership...and see it as "soft" aspects of the game.

A football team is no different than any other organization.

I'll give you a GREAT example of the management philosophy that was employed in the last company I worked in.

The CEO came to my office and asked "Have you made any mistakes lately?"

When I replied "NO" he said "That's too bad. The only way to not make a mistake is by being too conservative and not being creative. We don't want that kind of employee in our company"

BINGO.

I was changed forever.

Anyone who has played sports on ANY level knows, you can't play scared.

THAT is why this team has no spark.

Awesome post Juke. Success comes from taking chances and that is why I loved Jimmy so much.

It is obvious this team does not repond well to what we are doing and it smacks of BP.

[ConcordCowboy]

didn't aaron glenn also organise a "talk" to the players ?

Yeah I'm real glad he called a Defensive players only meeting. That worked out real well.

[Juke99]

^ love the analogy Juke

(now give me back my damn edit button!!!!) :)


You'll have to write a letter for that...and it needs to be notarized. :D

[silver]

Awesome post Juke. Success comes from taking chances and that is why I loved Jimmy so much.

It is obvious this team does not repond well to what we are doing and it smacks of BP.

well, watch Parcells react by coming out throwing on all downs vs detroit. also count me in on the GROZ bandwagon. what this team needs to do is a self analysis of its own tendencies and mix them up. everytime we blitzed yesterday garcia & co knew it was coming.

[Juke99]

Awesome post Juke. Success comes from taking chances and that is why I loved Jimmy so much.

It is obvious this team does not repond well to what we are doing and it smacks of BP.


We have a motto of "Business as UNusual"...there are signs, that were put up by the staff, all over the place "Stop being so USUAL"..."Have you been UNusual today" "IF you don't risk the unusual, you'll always have to settle for the ordinary"

People WILL rise to the occasion if you let them.

Jimmy Johnson was an Industrial Psychologist. He "got it"

This ain't rocket science fellas....all ya have to do is watch Parcells...

A business consultant once told me "Your organization is perfectly structured to give you the results you are experiencing today"

'Nuff said.

This IS about management...from top down.

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeah I'm real glad he called a Defensive players only meeting. That worked out real well.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing...

[2much2soon]

Well ya know, I've been very supportive of Parcells :D ...and I've often said that he has these guys thinking "Don't make a mistake" rather than just allowing them to let their athletic ability show....

It's a new era. I compared today's NFL to the NBA earlier this morning.

While I loved the "old" era in the NBA, where teams played smart team oriented basketball, it's now a game that is dependent upon athleticism and playmaking.

Same with the NFL.

AND the irony is, we make a TON of mistakes anyway.

I don't know that the NBA analogy is the best one to use here. The NBA players/teams now get exposed regularly by the Euros playing solid fundamental basketball.
Also don't want to sound like I am defending Dallas' coaching staff because I think their game day coaching isn't fundamentally sound.
Of course the players aren't playing fundamentally sound either with all the dropped balls, missed blocks and tackles.

[Kobal]

yep...handcuffed by a stupid defensive scheme...whether Newman wants to publicly admit it or not

he (and the others) doesnt make plays because thats our style...

David

Do you mean the great Zim's Read & React? :lmao2: ....:banghead:

[Juke99]

I don't know that the NBA analogy is the best one to use here. The NBA players/teams now get exposed regularly by the Euros playing solid fundamental basketball.
Also don't want to sound like I am defending Dallas' coaching staff because I think their game day coaching isn't fundamentally sound.
Of course the players aren't playing fundamentally sound either with all the dropped balls, missed blocks and tackles.


Well, I think those Euro teams have some damn good athletes on them. But I hear ya.

We saw an extreme case of the philosophy in 2004. We were going to battle with a roster that was filled with veterans who were going to play mistake free football and conquer the world.

BUT we ended up getting toasted by teams with superior athletes. AND every week we heard how stupid the team was.

Well ya know, when you've got a guy streaking past ya in the secondary, you might end up grabbing his jersey to stop him. When you've got a superior athlete in front of you, you'll do some really "stupid" things.

Whatever...I get bored with myself with this stuff. I've been saying it for three years.

:)

[SupermanXx]

Well, I think those Euro teams have some damn good athletes on them. But I hear ya.

We saw an extreme case of the philosophy in 2004. We were going to battle with a roster that was filled with veterans who were going to play mistake free football and conquer the world.

BUT we ended up getting toasted by teams with superior athletes. AND every week we heard how stupid the team was.

Well ya know, when you've got a guy streaking past ya in the secondary, you might end up grabbing his jersey to stop him. When you've got a superior athlete in front of you, you'll do some really "stupid" things.

Whatever...I get bored with myself with this stuff. I've been saying it for three years.

:)

when regarding the 2004 season (which never happened to me, since I've blocked all memories of it), one word needs to be said to sum up the patheticness and wastefulness of the entire year: "Vinny".

now allow me to go and ask for repentance and pray for my sins for ever uttering such a vile word when I vowed to never speak on the subject again.

[dbair1967]

This IS about management...from top down.

I think thats pretty much what Jones said after the game...he was mad, and if anyone read between the lines it was obvious who he was mad at...I think Jones finally saw it yesterday...Parcells duped him out of 20+ mils, and while we have an upgraded roster to show for it, we dont have much else...certainly dont have results on the field

his 4 years as a head coach have been a failure

David

[MichaelWinicki]

when regarding the 2004 season (which never happened to me, since I've blocked all memories of it), one word needs to be said to sum up the patheticness and wastefulness of the entire year: "Vinny".

now allow me to go and ask for repentance and pray for my sins for ever uttering such a vile word when I vowed to never speak on the subject again.

Hey I wouldn't be ripping Vinny too much...

Wasn't he like the strongest man in the world? At least that's what Parcells told us.

He also told us that Bledsoe was much faster than what most people thought.

Just some amazing **** out of our coaches mouth at times.

[LaTunaNostra]

He said it was very hard to even take a shower last night as sick as he was about the way they played.



Now THAT's a PLAYER.

[Viper]

when regarding the 2004 season (which never happened to me, since I've blocked all memories of it), one word needs to be said to sum up the patheticness and wastefulness of the entire year: "Vinny".

now allow me to go and ask for repentance and pray for my sins for ever uttering such a vile word when I vowed to never speak on the subject again.

You really should edit this!

[CrazyCowboy]

Spears and Canty most def. Can't think of anyone else.


What has those two done to deserve trash talking?

The only one who can talk (and I don't believe he does) is WARE!

[tunahelper]

Must be talking about Bradie James. He's the only one that talks in interviews.

James SUCKS!!!!!

Plain and simple. If you review the past several games James cannot cover anyone and he is missing tackles. We need to bench him at least for a while.
I know plenty will say I am overreacting, but watch the games and concentrate on 56 & it is apparent he is hurting us.
We are unable to cover the 5-10 yard area on defense.

[stasheroo]

Spears should bury his head in the sand rather than be saying anything. He doesn't have the right to open his mouth. For a first round draft choice, he's played like a bum.

At this point, the trade down with Buffalo looks like a mistake. The Cowboys would have been better off with Steven Jackson rather than the Julius/Spears combination. At least then they would have a stud running back rather than two average-to below players.

I think benching Spears would send him and maybe a few teammates a wake-up call that mediocre play won't be tolerated.

[Juke99]

Spears should bury his head in the sand rather than be saying anything. He doesn't have the right to open his mouth. For a first round draft choice, he's played like a bum.

At this point, the trade down with Buffalo looks like a mistake. The Cowboys would have been better off with Steven Jackson rather than the Julius/Spears combination. At least then they would have a stud running back rather than two average-to below players.

I think benching Spears would send him and maybe a few teammates a wake-up call that mediocre play won't be tolerated.

On the nosey.

That draft fell perfectly for the Cowboys. And we passed up on a guy who is a terrific player.

[wileedog]

Honestly, and this is with me trying to temper my Parcells criticisms...I think they are petrified to make a mistake.

I'm in no mood to defend Parcells today, but I am curious.

What does Bill do that is so terribly different than 31 other HCs to make his players so 'terrified?"

There are plenty of other guys who will get in players faces. Plenty of other coaches who stress over and over playing sound fundamental football, and most of those are the sucessful ones.

Heck, I was watching the Saints-SKins game last week and everyone's new darling Sean Payton absoultely tore one of his special teams guys a new one after making a key mistake on kick return, right on national TV. Bobby Knight would have been proud.

So what is Bill doing that is making everyone so scared that all of these other coaches are not?

[Dallas]

Neman is the best player on defense.

Hands DOWN the best player on D.


Nobody is even CLOSE to TNEW.


D

[Dallas]

Bradie James is hurting the team bigtime. He has whiffed on more than his fair share of tackles.

I cant remember which TD it was yesterday but after the Philly guy got by him - you saw James slap his hands together like "Oh Daymn".


Totaly out of place half the time and making piss poor tackling attempts.


D

[Juke99]

I'm in no mood to defend Parcells today, but I am curious.

What does Bill do that is so terribly different than 31 other HCs to make his players so 'terrified?"

There are plenty of other guys who will get in players faces. Plenty of other coaches who stress over and over playing sound fundamental football, and most of those are the sucessful ones.

Heck, I was watching the Saints-SKins game last week and everyone's new darling Sean Payton absoultely tore one of his special teams guys a new one after making a key mistake on kick return, right on national TV. Bobby Knight would have been proud.

So what is Bill doing that is making everyone so scared that all of these other coaches are not?

Listen to press conferences of other coaches. You won't hear anywhere NEAR the negativity you hear from Parcells.

Watch any broadcast...what do the camera crews do the SECOND something goes wrong? They fix the camera right on Parcells to get his reaction.

My point is less about him tearing into a player. Most of these coaches do that. It's an emotional game. It happens.

Again, it's a matter of balance. Remember what Bledsoe said? He looked forward to game day because it was easier than having to listen to Parcells during practice.

BUT my biggest grip is the constant harping on "don't make a mistake. don't be the guy to let the other 52 down" and on and on and on...Players can't play within that context. And we're seeing it.

[Alexander]

Guys have to be accountable-- just can't treat them as "friends". Need to treat them as "co-workers"So who is the rotten apple spoiling the lot?

The Probowl should be boycotted... several deserving players not going


Starting with our strong safety. He played yet another ordinary game yesterday.

[Alexander]

Listen to press conferences of other coaches. You won't hear anywhere NEAR the negativity you hear from Parcells.

Watch any broadcast...what do the camera crews do the SECOND something goes wrong? They fix the camera right on Parcells to get his reaction.

So if he is such a terrible coach, why has it worked elsewhere?

The way you speak you would think it is Tom Coughlin coaching the team.


My point is less about him tearing into a player. Most of these coaches do that. It's an emotional game. It happens.

Again, it's a matter of balance. Remember what Bledsoe said? He looked forward to game day because it was easier than having to listen to Parcells during practice.


I completely disagree.

When we have really been destroyed this year, all I have seen was disbelief and a stunned behavior from Coach Parcells. He's not prancing about yelling left and right like a lunatic.

And when he has taken the time to praise these players, they have sunk. He did it in 2003 after the Carolina victory. He did it last week after Atlanta.

BUT my biggest grip is the constant harping on "don't make a mistake. don't be the guy to let the other 52 down" and on and on and on...Players can't play within that context. And we're seeing it.

If they cannot take the abuse, we have a bunch of thin-skinned pansies who cannot take a criticism style that apparently many other players have actually benefitted from.

This team is crumbling under this approach, you have to hold the weak personalities accountable. And for added effect if you are into blaming Coach Parcells, you may put his feet to the fire for not stocking the team with stronger wills.

[BLEU3ASY]

i wouldn't care if they talked into next years season.....just play better D...MAN THE F UP!!!!!!

[Chocolate Lab]

So why do you think it isn't working, Alex? It's all the players' fault? Do you really think the talent on this team is being maximized?

[utrunner07]

He might be the most consistant. I wouldn't say that he is the best.

So who would you say is the best? Your going to have a tough time arguing anyone but Newman but lets hear it.

[MrMom]

Hands DOWN the best player on D.


Nobody is even CLOSE to TNEW.


D

Demarcus is better.

[AtlCB]

Listen to press conferences of other coaches. You won't hear anywhere NEAR the negativity you hear from Parcells.

Watch any broadcast...what do the camera crews do the SECOND something goes wrong? They fix the camera right on Parcells to get his reaction.

My point is less about him tearing into a player. Most of these coaches do that. It's an emotional game. It happens.

Again, it's a matter of balance. Remember what Bledsoe said? He looked forward to game day because it was easier than having to listen to Parcells during practice.

BUT my biggest grip is the constant harping on "don't make a mistake. don't be the guy to let the other 52 down" and on and on and on...Players can't play within that context. And we're seeing it.This is nothing different from what Bill Cowher and several other successful head coaches do. How many times have we seen Bill Cowher get angry and give some player a spit shower?

[Mr Cowboy]

Every week we hear we are making mistakes that causes us to lose games. We are down to the last game of the season and we still hear how this mistake and that mistake hurt us. You would hope that this problem would have been taken care of. It has not. And next week Kitna will look like John Elway in his prime. We won't adjust our defensive scheme to address the recent shortcomings, we don't have the ability to do so.

We have 6-7 first round draft choices on defense, and most of the others are high draft choices or high priced FA. That translates to a very talented team. Why are they not performing as such? Coaching perhaps? Are these guys just stupid, and can't correct the mistakes.

This team is underachieving in a big way. A coach like Fisher would have this team undefeated and on the way to the Super Bowl. He would not be making excuses, like saying the team is making the same mental mistakes weekend and week out. Fix the ficking problems, or replace the players who are making them.

Blame whoever you want, but if the mistakes are not being fixed it falls on the coaches. If your scheme is being exposed, make adjustments. The last 3 weeks we have been getting torched on defense, and we keep playing the same way.......not one adjustment. Holmgren is gonna kill us if adjustments are'nt made.

[Dave_in-NC]

Every week we hear we are making mistakes that causes us to lose games. We are down to the last game of the season and we still hear how this mistake and that mistake hurt us. You would hope that this problem would have been taken care of. It has not. And next week Kitna will look like John Elway in his prime. We won't adjust our defensive scheme to address the recent shortcomings, we don't have the ability to do so.

We have 6-7 first round draft choices on defense, and most of the others are high draft choices or high priced FA. That translates to a very talented team. Why are they not performing as such? Coaching perhaps? Are these guys just stupid, and can't correct the mistakes.

This team is underachieving in a big way. A coach like Fisher would have this team undefeated and on the way to the Super Bowl. He would not be making excuses, like saying the team is making the same mental mistakes weekend and week out. Fix the ficking problems, or replace the players who are making them.

Blame whoever you want, but if the mistakes are not being fixed it falls on the coaches. If your scheme is being exposed, make adjustments. The last 3 weeks we have been getting torched on defense, and we keep playing the same way.......not one adjustment. Holmgren is gonna kill us if adjustments are'nt made.

I agree with allot of what you said with a few exceptions. If players simply don"t get "it" there isn't much you can do. Bringing in new schemes isn't going to do any thing. How do you replace the players in week twelve or sixteen for that matter? With todays NFL you can't just fire players, it's not cost effective. Making adjustments is even hard for players who don't get the basics.
Jones said one thing I can agree with, the problem seems to be top to bottom.

[Juke99]

This is nothing different from what Bill Cowher and several other successful head coaches do. How many times have we seen Bill Cowher get angry and give some player a spit shower?

Again, I said that they all do that...they all get angry...

It's a matter of balance.

Geezlouise...earlier this season his OWN ex-players, by Parcells admission, contacted him to say "What on earth is the matter with you. You dont even LOOK like the same guy"

Getting angry and being CONSTANTLY negative are two separate things.

[wileedog]

So why do you think it isn't working, Alex? It's all the players' fault? Do you really think the talent on this team is being maximized?
Not to speak for Alex, but personally I think its primarily the players, yes. Parcells isn't doing anything any differently than the beginning of the season when this was a top 10 defense. He's not doing anything differently than he's done at 3 other stops where he has effectively maximized his talent.

I do think the loss of Ellis has hurt in more ways than one. A decent pass rush has become non-existent, but more importantly love him or hate him he was and is a team captain who garnered respect from his teamates, especially the young guys. Its hard not to tie the recent collapse to the loss of a team leader, much like the defense looked completely rudderless in 2004 when Woody retired. And no, I don't think coaches can take the place of those on the field leaders.

THat's not to say Parcells is blameless. Perhaps what he's preaching just isn't working on these guys anymore, and he's the guy who brought them in in the first place.

BUt as we saw with Rogers mental toughness is a very hard thing to determine in the draft. Most of the guys drafted come from successful programs where winning is almost a given, not a weekly struggle.

I do think someone - anyone on this defense at some point has to step into that void left by Woody and now Ellis. James is too young (and lately too mediocre), Roy doesn't seem interested, and perhaps Ferguson or Glenn just don't have the right personality.

Point is Parcell's system and approach is not all that different from many other coaches, nor different than the one that has turned around 3 other franchises. He has the skins on the wall. The players who looked like a wrecking crew in TC this year have imploded, and if they are too afraid to fail to succeed here that is their own issue.

[Juke99]

So if he is such a terrible coach, why has it worked elsewhere?

The way you speak you would think it is Tom Coughlin coaching the team.



I completely disagree.

When we have really been destroyed this year, all I have seen was disbelief and a stunned behavior from Coach Parcells. He's not prancing about yelling left and right like a lunatic.

And when he has taken the time to praise these players, they have sunk. He did it in 2003 after the Carolina victory. He did it last week after Atlanta.



If they cannot take the abuse, we have a bunch of thin-skinned pansies who cannot take a criticism style that apparently many other players have actually benefitted from.

This team is crumbling under this approach, you have to hold the weak personalities accountable. And for added effect if you are into blaming Coach Parcells, you may put his feet to the fire for not stocking the team with stronger wills.



What has the past got to do with today?

Paul McCartney WAS a great songwriter. He isn't anymore.

Fact of the matter is, if Parcells has a group of thin skinned players, he should know his management style well enough so that he avoid signing those guys.

At exactly what point does this become his responsibility in your eyes? He runs this entire organization. We all know that. This is now a team that is HIS team...his systems in place.

Does he walk away from this with no responsibility because of what he did in the past?

Do we ever apply his own measuring stick "NO matter what you have done in the past, sooner or later you have to prove you can still get the job done"

Does he EVER take any blame for the fact that, once again, we are fading down the stretch. It happened in 2003, (2004 was an entire year of fading)..it happened in 2005...and it has happened again this year.

Does he ever take any blame for having a team that plays sloppy, mistake prone, FLAT football?

If it's the fault of the players, who brought these players in here?

Last season the problem was that Flozell went down. That was the cause for everything that went wrong in the opinion of those who support Parcells.

I have NEVER seen a team be so fortunate with regard to injuries as this team has in 2006. So now, that excuse is off the board too.

[wileedog]

Getting angry and being CONSTANTLY negative are two separate things.

He has heaped a ton of praise on them too at times.

I remember several PCs early in the years when he was talking about Julius starting to 'get it' and being successful, only to have JJ slide in the weeks afterwords.

He wasn't shy praising the team at all after the Indy game, or even after the Atlanta game when they almost didn't deserve it. Remember his "Can't call them losers anymore" speech after Carolina in 2003?

He has defended Carpenter all season long when the media has tried to attach the "B" label, kept a solid and positive relationship with Ellis even when he wanted out, refused even to throw Watkins or Davis under the bus when they have played beyond terrible.

And whatever he says in PCs is meaningless anyways. What matters is what Bill says and how he treats them behind closed doors, and we just don't know that.

[Mr Cowboy]

How do you replace the players in week twelve or sixteen for that matter? With todays NFL you can't just fire players, it's not cost effective. Making adjustments is even hard for players who don't get the basics.

Bench the players who keep making the mistakes. That will catch the attention of the other players as well. BP keeps talking about Canty and Spears not playing well and making mistakes. Bench them and play Ratliff and Coleman. It's ridicoulus to say, yeah they make mistakes but they aare the starters so we need to play them.

That is one of the problems on this team, the players have gotten comfortable, knowing that even if they make mistakes, the worst that will happen to them is BP mention them in a PC.

[Dave_in-NC]

Bench the players who keep making the mistakes. That will catch the attention of the other players as well. BP keeps talking about Canty and Spears not playing well and making mistakes. Bench them and play Ratliff and Coleman. It's ridicoulus to say, yeah they make mistakes but they aare the starters so we need to play them.

That is one of the problems on this team, the players have gotten comfortable, knowing that even if they make mistakes, the worst that will happen to them is BP mention them in a PC.

I just doubt it gets any better with Ratliff and Coleman. The sad part is as a coach you have to play your best players. We keep playing an injured owens rather than a healthy Crayton or Hurd. owens is the best player at that position regardless of his timely drops. Henry is the best at his even though he's been burned and so on.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Good stuff. Thanks for the recap. Of all the defensive players, I'd definitely respect Tnew's thoughts more than anyone. Consumate team player and professional. This isn't TO talking trash, Tnew is the type of player you listen when he finally decides to vent.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

He might be the most consistant. I wouldn't say that he is the best.

Other possibly Ware, if you think anyone else is better, you really need to watch more closely.

[ndanger]

Now THAT's a PLAYER.

A smelly ,stinky player but a player none the less.:p: