Vikings in 4 /5 WR sets vs OUR D

[ciron]

After watching parts of the NE & Indy game last night, I have a strong feeling that the VIKES are will try to use alot of "multiple" WRs sets against our D.

While Moss is great, I felt comfortable that the coaching staff would be able to come up with a scheme to reduce the damage he was going to do.

BUT in any 4-5 WR sets, we would end up having to give playing time to Thorton, Reeves , etc.. Wow..

It would to "quote Big Bill" prevent us from being able to really SLUG IT OUT with them for the most part.

If that happens, I think Kalen Thornton gets alot of minutes because the ability of the front 4 to put immediate pressure on Culpepper becomes priority # 1.

Followed by priority #1a.. Time Of Possession .. keep the Minn offense off the field.

What are yall thoughts

[starfrombirth]

if they go with a 4/5 rcvr set then culpeppers day will be really short. They cant protect him that way and our linebackers can stay with any rb or te in the league for 10 yards.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Minnesota would be wise to simply throw several deep lob balls to test our corners... bottom line is at some point our corners are going to be in one on one situations with Culpepper looking to go deep.. this is where I'm nervous.. somebody will have play their man look for the ball. NOT ENTER-FEAR (get it) and make plays.. we can't protect the young guys for the whole game.. Minny's O is to good and too balanced for that

[Nors]

if they go with a 4/5 rcvr set then culpeppers day will be really short. They cant protect him that way and our linebackers can stay with any rb or te in the league for 10 yards.

Who is covering the 4 and 5 receivers?

:eek:

[Displaced Cowboy]

I wouldn't be terribly concerned if Minnesota ran a lot of 4 or 5 wide receiver sets.

While our corner depth is weak and i wouldn't look forward to seeing Hunter, Powell, and Reeves all out on the field, or something similar to that, you have to take into consideration the Minnesota receivers.

After Moss they have ok receivers in Burleson and Campbell but neither particularly scare me.

Now if the cowboys were playing the Patriots i'd pack it in and go home because we wouldn't stand a chance stopping their passing attack.

[DCowboysGal]

I wouldn't be terribly concerned if Minnesota ran a lot of 4 or 5 wide receiver sets.

While our corner depth is weak and i wouldn't look forward to seeing Hunter, Powell, and Reeves all out on the field, or something similar to that, you have to take into consideration the Minnesota receivers.

After Moss they have ok receivers in Burleson and Campbell but neither particularly scare me.

Now if the cowboys were playing the Patriots i'd pack it in and go home because we wouldn't stand a chance stopping their passing attack.

Um, you forgot Marcus Robinson who at 6'3", 215 lbs. is taller than any of our CB's and almost as fast as Moss, and a former 1000-yd receiver. Burleson also has good speed, is a very polished route-runner, and also has good speed at 6'0", 192 lbs. K. Campbell is one of the fastest WR's in the league, as fast in fact, if not faster, than T. Newman. Meanwhile, against this young and talented track-team, we're using mid-to-low-round draft picks and undrafted free-agents as our nickel and dime CB's. Among Jemeel Powell, Bruce Thornton, Nathan Jones, and Jacques Reeves, only Reeves has above-average speed. On paper, it looks lopsided in favor of MIN.

If they start the 6'4" Moss and the 6'3" Robinson, we'll be at a huge size disadvantage at one spot with the 5"11" Newman having to cover one of these guys and giving up at least 4 inches. If we cheat a safety towards one side so he can help out that CB, that leaves more room in the middle for Burleson to work the slot or for TE's Kleinsasser and Wiggins to do so, both of whom have excellent hands and decent running ability.

[Mike 1967]

After watching parts of the NE & Indy game last night, I have a strong feeling that the VIKES are will try to use alot of "multiple" WRs sets against our D.

While Moss is great, I felt comfortable that the coaching staff would be able to come up with a scheme to reduce the damage he was going to do.

BUT in any 4-5 WR sets, we would end up having to give playing time to Thorton, Reeves , etc.. Wow..

It would to "quote Big Bill" prevent us from being able to really SLUG IT OUT with them for the most part.

If that happens, I think Kalen Thornton gets alot of minutes because the ability of the front 4 to put immediate pressure on Culpepper becomes priority # 1.

Followed by priority #1a.. Time Of Possession .. keep the Minn offense off the field.

What are yall thoughts

If this happens then you would most probably see the NOR's heralded 3-4.

Because I believe that Parcells would defense it with a flooded zone. 4 LB's and 4 DB's. Force Culpepper to put the ball in a tight spot with a good chance for interceptions.

[kmd24]

Um, you forgot Marcus Robinson who at 6'3", 215 lbs. is taller than any of our CB's and almost as fast as Moss, and a former 1000-yd receiver. Burleson also has good speed, is a very polished route-runner, and also has good speed at 6'0", 192 lbs. K. Campbell is one of the fastest WR's in the league, as fast in fact, if not faster, than T. Newman. Meanwhile, against this young and talented track-team, we're using mid-to-low-round draft picks and undrafted free-agents as our nickel and dime CB's. Among Jemeel Powell, Bruce Thornton, Nathan Jones, and Jacques Reeves, only Reeves has above-average speed. On paper, it looks lopsided in favor of MIN.

If they start the 6'4" Moss and the 6'3" Robinson, we'll be at a huge size disadvantage at one spot with the 5"11" Newman having to cover one of these guys and giving up at least 4 inches. If we cheat a safety towards one side so he can help out that CB, that leaves more room in the middle for Burleson to work the slot or for TE's Kleinsasser and Wiggins to do so, both of whom have excellent hands and decent running ability.

Robinson's questionable with a hamstring, so he will likely be limited if he even sees the field.

A big problem for Minnesota with 4 wide sets is their pass protection. Their line was a little questionable last year (42 sacks) and Culpepper has fumbled 55 times in the last 3 years (16, 23, 16). IMO, it would be to Minnesota's disadvantage to spread the formation, particularly if Thornton can play as well off the corner as he has in the preseason.

[btcutter]

The game will be won/loss depending if we can generate passrush and stop the run. These are two big IF's based on preseason performance. I don't particularly like the odds in this game. We will need to run the ball and hold possession in order to win this game....we'll lose in a shoot out.

On the upside...no one expect us to win...it's kinda like last yr. Play your hearts out....games are won on the field not on paper!

[ABQCOWBOY]

If this happens then you would most probably see the NOR's heralded 3-4.

Because I believe that Parcells would defense it with a flooded zone. 4 LB's and 4 DB's. Force Culpepper to put the ball in a tight spot with a good chance for interceptions.

I don't believe this would be wise. 8 people in coverage and 3 rushing the passer against Culpepper is a receipe for disaster IMO. I think you blitz and take your chances. Shorten the routes, double Moss and tackle the football.

The key here is the kicking game and being able to run the football consistently against there defense.

[Doomsday101]

I don't think Dallas will play man on man all day, I think Dallas is going to mix in a lot of zone coverage especially when Minn goes 4 or 5 WR sets. Bottom line for the defense, it does not matter how many yards you give up just keep the vikes out of the endzone and force them to kick FG.

[gjdeftmv]

Um, you forgot Marcus Robinson who at 6'3", 215 lbs. is taller than any of our CB's and almost as fast as Moss, and a former 1000-yd receiver. Burleson also has good speed, is a very polished route-runner, and also has good speed at 6'0", 192 lbs. K. Campbell is one of the fastest WR's in the league, as fast in fact, if not faster, than T. Newman. Meanwhile, against this young and talented track-team, we're using mid-to-low-round draft picks and undrafted free-agents as our nickel and dime CB's. Among Jemeel Powell, Bruce Thornton, Nathan Jones, and Jacques Reeves, only Reeves has above-average speed. On paper, it looks lopsided in favor of MIN.

If they start the 6'4" Moss and the 6'3" Robinson, we'll be at a huge size disadvantage at one spot with the 5"11" Newman having to cover one of these guys and giving up at least 4 inches. If we cheat a safety towards one side so he can help out that CB, that leaves more room in the middle for Burleson to work the slot or for TE's Kleinsasser and Wiggins to do so, both of whom have excellent hands and decent running ability.


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[Mike 1967]

I don't believe this would be wise. 8 people in coverage and 3 rushing the passer against Culpepper is a receipe for disaster IMO. I think you blitz and take your chances. Shorten the routes, double Moss and tackle the football.

The key here is the kicking game and being able to run the football consistently against there defense.

That's why the 3-4 works in this situation. The LB's on either edge (or both) can either rush the passer or stay back in zone coverage.

[Portland Fanatic]

That's why the 3-4 works in this situation. The LB's on either edge (or both) can either rush the passer or stay back in zone coverage.

Mike - I'm with ya on this one...I think we may see more 3-4 this game then we will for the rest of the season. We have to put pressure on the QB...3-4 can do that...plus allows us a way to cover the the middle...

[gjdeftmv]

the best defense is a good offense, if our backs can carry the load and eat up the clock then we can limit minn's number of offensive plays and in turn lowering the chance for a big play which is minn's bread and butter

[Nors]

If this happens then you would most probably see the NOR's heralded 3-4.

Because I believe that Parcells would defense it with a flooded zone. 4 LB's and 4 DB's. Force Culpepper to put the ball in a tight spot with a good chance for interceptions.


Parcells that he had schemes he was going to use to hopefully cover Up for CB's.

One play we can bring 7 to 8 at you and next play drop 4 LB's. Bellicheck has always said scheming/coverages cause more TO's than just a pass rush.

Thats exactly what I would to to DC.
Whats great now is Minny OC has to at least be prepared for it!

We are carrying 3 DT's and 7 LB'S

[DCowboysGal]

That's why the 3-4 works in this situation. The LB's on either edge (or both) can either rush the passer or stay back in zone coverage.

Leaving our lone NT in the middle to be pushed backwards as he's taking on two OL, the C & a G, thereby creating room for the RB/QB to run up the middle for a decent short/medium-range gain.

[jacs]

If they start the 6'4" Moss and the 6'3" Robinson, we'll be at a huge size disadvantage at one spot with the 5"11" Newman having to cover one of these guys and giving up at least 4 inches. If we cheat a safety towards one side so he can help out that CB, that leaves more room in the middle for Burleson to work the slot or for TE's Kleinsasser and Wiggins to do so, both of whom have excellent hands and decent running ability.

Robinson will not start, i think he is in Tice dog house

Vikings | Robinson Practicing - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:54:04 -0700

Minnesota Vikings WR Marcus Robinson (hamstring) practiced Thursday, Sept. 9.

[Mike 1967]

Leaving our lone NT in the middle to be pushed backwards as he's taking on two OL, the C & a G, thereby creating room for the RB/QB to run up the middle for a decent short/medium-range gain.

In a 4 wide receiver set....you only have 5 offensive linemen with no TE help. That would leave 2 men unblocked on running plays.

The 3-4 is a good answer to the run and shoot offensive scheme. If it is run correctly.

Now..if they are lining up in a standard 2 wideout set...then you are correct.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Most of Minnesota's receptions beyond Moss last year came from Kleinsasser and the fullback. I have not heard of a lot of help for them on the offensive line, and they were giving up about 4 sacks a game with a pourous left tackle. All this with a mobile QB. If they do not give that line help they are in trouble.

Glover, Ellis, Coleman, Wiley, Stewart, and Ogbogu will get to the quarterback.

If the Vikings are forced to pass, they are in trouble. Stopping the run is the key to all of this.

Minnesota likes to run the ball, having less carries than only 6 teams.

Eaton and Stewart need to have good games against the interior of the offensive line. I do not like the idea of having Dixon closer to the line of scrimmage, he bites on fakes bad enough as it is. We need to play conservative with our secondary.

Does Zimmer like playing a lot of zone? I cannot think of a preference that he has.

Another thing to remember is that our LBers are REALLY good in pass defense. Ngyuen, Coakley and Singleton make a lot plays on the ball.

I think Zimmer and Parcells can make this work.

[Doomsday101]

Personally I think Dallas will get themselves in trouble if they go blitzing too much in this game leaving WR in one on one match ups. I think to you have to pick and choose when you’re going to blitz and when you do you better get to Culpepper. I think it is critical for the Cowboys to be able to produce a pass rush using the front 4 and not rely strictly on the blitz, I just don't see a lot of good matchups in man on man coverage in this game and I think Dallas is going to be willing to give Minn some of the underneath routs and not let the vikes beat them with the quick strikes. Vikes offense is too good to give them one look so I think Dallas has to mix things up. As some others have said the best way to handle the vikes offense is by not letting them get on the field, Dallas has to be able to control the ball and the clock.

[Chuck 54]

if they go with a 4/5 rcvr set then culpeppers day will be really short. They cant protect him that way and our linebackers can stay with any rb or te in the league for 10 yards.
you said they can't protect him...so how will our lb's stay with rb's and tE's if they are blitzing?? Surely you don't expect us to get consistant pressure with our front 4 alone???

[junk]

Leaving our lone NT in the middle to be pushed backwards as he's taking on two OL, the C & a G, thereby creating room for the RB/QB to run up the middle for a decent short/medium-range gain.

No doubt. RBs have to salivate at the 3-4. I noticed James hung 156 on the vaunted Pats D. To bad he had some fumble problems. The 3-4 is probably nice as the occasional look, but I don't care for it as an everydown D.

[ABQCOWBOY]

No doubt. RBs have to salivate at the 3-4. I noticed James hung 156 on the vaunted Pats D. To bad he had some fumble problems. The 3-4 is probably nice as the occasional look, but I don't care for it as an everydown D.

34 is a good defense agains the run if your NT can hold the line. If not, you look like the Pats. I think the Pats are going to be sorry they lost Washington this year.

[Nors]

No doubt. RBs have to salivate at the 3-4. I noticed James hung 156 on the vaunted Pats D. To bad he had some fumble problems. The 3-4 is probably nice as the occasional look, but I don't care for it as an everydown D.


Works when you have Ted Washington, Eaton at NT. IT ALL WORKS OFF THAT. Pats D is old and lucky Indy didn't drop a 45 spot on them. That said 3-4 creates TURNOVERS...........

[Nors]

34 is a good defense agains the run if your NT can hold the line. If not, you look like the Pats. I think the Pats are going to be sorry they lost Washington this year.

WE now have one, Eaton.

[laythewood28]

After watching parts of the NE & Indy game last night, I have a strong feeling that the VIKES are will try to use alot of "multiple" WRs sets against our D.

While Moss is great, I felt comfortable that the coaching staff would be able to come up with a scheme to reduce the damage he was going to do.

BUT in any 4-5 WR sets, we would end up having to give playing time to Thorton, Reeves , etc.. Wow..

It would to "quote Big Bill" prevent us from being able to really SLUG IT OUT with them for the most part.

If that happens, I think Kalen Thornton gets alot of minutes because the ability of the front 4 to put immediate pressure on Culpepper becomes priority # 1.

Followed by priority #1a.. Time Of Possession .. keep the Minn offense off the field.

What are yall thoughts

blitz roy and the idea of go four or five wide will go out the window. They can't afford to lose Culpepper.

[Hollywood Henderson]

We do need to pressure & confuse Culpepper...

We need to bring Roy & Bradie...They are our best blitzers... Not always, but often, then when we don't blitz, I think we can hurry them by looking like we will...Basically, be unpredictable...

Lil dat & dexie would bounce off of Culpepper...But they can play the passing lanes & look for picking off Hot reads...

We need 3 turnovers to win...

[junk]

Works when you have Ted Washington, Eaton at NT. IT ALL WORKS OFF THAT. Pats D is old and lucky Indy didn't drop a 45 spot on them. That said 3-4 creates TURNOVERS...........

Right and why is the 3-4 run so much around the league? Oh yeah, because it requires unique players and can be exploited. How many top defenses have been 3-4? Your obsession is getting a bit out of hand. A defensive scheme is not the end all to a defensive problem. Players and coaching do that.

[blindzebra]

Parcells that he had schemes he was going to use to hopefully cover Up for CB's.

One play we can bring 7 to 8 at you and next play drop 4 LB's. Bellicheck has always said scheming/coverages cause more TO's than just a pass rush.

Thats exactly what I would to to DC.
Whats great now is Minny OC has to at least be prepared for it!

We are carrying 3 DT's and 7 LB'S

We only have THREE DTs ON THE ROSTER for crying out loud. :rolleyes:

[KaiserSoze]

Leaving our lone NT in the middle to be pushed backwards as he's taking on two OL, the C & a G, thereby creating room for the RB/QB to run up the middle for a decent short/medium-range gain.

You know a lot about football!