Bad Defense. Does this make sense to you?

[eduncan22]

Can anyone explain to me why A Glenn is matched up against Roy Williams in this play?

The resulting play is a TD.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k215/eduncan22/GlennGetsburned.jpg


A Glenn can't cover Roy Williams.

[DipChit]

Pretty creepy.

And Glenn should've just molested him once RY got to the spot. Even with the PI call and the ball at the 1 there would've only been 2 or 3 seconds left forcing then to kick the FG afterall.. or go for it.

Course I'm sure they would've went for it and prolly just called the same play again anyhow. ;)

[eduncan22]

The resulting TD...


http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k215/eduncan22/TheResult.jpg


Get rid of Glenn.

[Deputy493]

Why was Williams not double teamed there? Meaning the safety shown on the same side of the field, where did he go because he certainly did not roll the way of Williams? Did he go to double team the TE with the LB?

[eduncan22]

Why was Williams not double teamed there? Meaning the safety shown on the same side of the field, where did he go because he certainly did not roll the way of Williams? Did he go to double team the TE with the LB?

Its a fade route the corner.

Difficult to get safety help on that play.

[Hostile]

Why was Williams not double teamed there? Meaning the safety shown on the same side of the field, where did he go because he certainly did not roll the way of Williams? Did he go to double team the TE with the LB?Coaching ineptness.

[EPL0c0]

B/c Newman was on Furrey... he's the REAL threat apparently

[Chuck 54]

Can anyone explain to me why A Glenn is matched up against Roy Williams in this play?

The resulting play is a TD.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k215/eduncan22/GlennGetsburned.jpg


A Glenn can't cover Roy Williams.

Coaches Zimmer and Parcells: "Because that's how we do it...we always line up that way...he plays that side...we don't flip-flop guys...it's never been a problem till now...don't know what the problem was...we'll have to watch the tape and look at that...I'm focused on this week, I don't have time to dwell on last week's game...please don't ask such specific questions when I'm so depressed and upset, can't you see I'm an old man and pity me?"

I'll add that A.Glenn played the fade route perfectly, but that's why Kitna lobbed the ball inside and let Roy come back and get it with Glenn trapped behind him looking for the fade. To be honest, I'm not sure anyone, including TNew could have covered the expected fade and still stopped the Kitna throw...Newman couldn't even cover the basic corner route to Mike Williams yesterday.

[REDVOLUTION]

Can anyone explain to me why A Glenn is matched up against Roy Williams in this play?

The resulting play is a TD.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k215/eduncan22/GlennGetsburned.jpg


A Glenn can't cover Roy Williams.




I have 2 questions about this...


1. Why wasnt TNEW on him?
2. Why dont we see this play setup for TO?

[coogrfan]

Actually there are several teams that do this in nickel situations. The theory is that you take your best cb and put him in single coverage vs the slot receiver, thereby freeing up the safeties to either blitz or double cover the outside guys.

I agree, however, that leaving Glenn in single coverage in that situation probably wasn't a good idea. :(

[DipChit]

I'll add that A.Glenn played the fade route perfectly, but that's why Kitna lobbed the ball inside and let Roy come back and get it with Glenn trapped behind him looking for the fade. To be honest, I'm not sure anyone, including TNew could have covered the expected fade and still stopped the Kitna throw...Newman couldn't even cover the basic corner route to Mike Williams yesterday.

Well I think a person has to give Kitna a lil credit on 3 of those TD passes actually.

Yeah I know he's a pro QB yada yada, but those were perfectly placed balls. It's not like we dont see other QB's under throw, over throw, put them out too wide.. whatever, fairly often.

[Fernando Fernandez]

...2. Why dont we see this play setup for TO?

my sentiments exactly

[eduncan22]

Do they really think A Glenn can cover Roy Williams?

Really?

[Chuck 54]

2. Why dont we see this play setup for TO?

On our last series of 4 plays I would have been happy to see a single play or pass that at least had a chance.

No one's talking about it because our defense was so bad, but we ran 4 plays down there and never even gave anyone a single chance to make a play...we never threw a pass that was touched by an offensive or defensive player...it was a horrible and embarrassing series.

[30yrheel]

does anyone think we have a corner that could have covered that play?
i don't.

[eduncan22]

does anyone think we have a corner that could have covered that play?
i don't.

Instead of playing off Williams, Glenn needs to play tight cover on him.

The Safety needs to roll his coverage, and give Glenn some help over the top.


This play never would have happened.

[Juke99]

This crap reminds me of when Switzer was here.

[Alexander]

This crap reminds me of when Switzer was here.

No, it reminds me of Campo.

Very much like assigning Kareem Larrimore and Dwayne Goodrich to Terrell Owens and expecting success.

[30yrheel]

i thought a. glenn was actually playing the best corner on the team until recently. IMO henry just plain sux, and t-new is average. i know a lot of you think he's the second coming of neon deon, but there's a reason he doesn't get picks. he's been burned as much as anyone lately.

[cowboy4eva]

Newman is the slot CB, Henry was on his side and Glenn was on his side. The Lions took advantage of that, knowing Glenn would be on that side.

[firehawk350]

i thought a. glenn was actually playing the best corner on the team until recently. IMO henry just plain sux, and t-new is average. i know a lot of you think he's the second coming of neon deon, but there's a reason he doesn't get picks. he's been burned as much as anyone lately.

That kinda talk will get you banned! Everyone here swears TNew will negate any receiver, in any situation one-on-one for up to 3 or 4 seconds.

[Juke99]

No, it reminds me of Campo.

Very much like assigning Kareem Larrimore and Dwayne Goodrich to Terrell Owens and expecting success.

Yeah...that's probably more like it.

But do you remember the championship game during Switzer's first year vs the 49ers, putting single coverage on Jerry Rice with something like 15 second left in the half...from around mid field.

Ouch.

[CowboyFan74]

Even though Newman played like crap all day, why didn't we assign him to roy williams?


zimmer must go..

[Hostile]

Yeah...that's probably more like it.

But do you remember the championship game during Switzer's first year vs the 49ers, putting single coverage on Jerry Rice with something like 15 second left in the half...from around mid field.

Ouch.I do.

:bang2:

[ejthedj]

That play was a blatant Offensive Pass Interference. They don't show it on the replay, but I was at the game and everybody in my section (great seats!) saw it plain as day.

Roy pushed off big time to get open. I couldn't believe the ref didn't call it. It looked like he wasn't paying attention.

[jazzcat22]

Why was Williams not double teamed there? Meaning the safety shown on the same side of the field, where did he go because he certainly did not roll the way of Williams? Did he go to double team the TE with the LB?

Because we have the opponents best weapon....he is called Zimmer...

[Maikeru-sama]

These are all good observations.

If I am mistaken, this formation resulted in another huge Touchdown for the Lions. Newman was lined up in the Slot over Mike Williams and Williams ran if I am not mistaken, a corner route and caught the TD.

If the above is correct, that is just great coaching. Showing the defense the same formation, with players in different positions and mixing up who you throw it too.

Also, I bet the Safety was suppose to help Glenn on that play but as someone stated, the route Roy Williams ran was pretty hard to cover for any Safety.

[eduncan22]

From watching the game, it seems like we had no plan for Roy Williams [Lions]

[Word Mofo]

Brad Sham on the radio also said it was blatant offensive pass interference. :bang2:

[jimmy40]

Even though Newman played like crap all day, why didn't we assign him to roy williams?


zimmer must go..Because he can't cover Roy Williams either and proved it during the game but Kitna overthrew Williams.

[Juke99]

I do.

:bang2:

We spotted them 21 in the first quarter and would have won...if not for stupidity like this...And don't forget, it was the end of the first half...we had gotten relatively close...and with very little time remaining in the first half, Switzer had them throwing the ball on our own 25 yard line.

We gave the ball back on downs....went single coverage on Rice...and he scored a TD just before half.

Even then we still had a shot until the NON interference call with Sanders vs Irvin.

:banghead:

[burmafrd]

Newman had a bad day. BUT he is the guy who SHOULD have been one on one with Williams. He has shut other top WRs down before; so he and not the very short Glenn should have been on him. No way that mis match should have been allowed.

[juck]

Coaching ineptness.

cmon u think BP is that dumb?

[Hostile]

cmon u think BP is that dumb?Dumb, no. That stubborn, yes.

[Dodger]

Coaches Zimmer and Parcells: "Because that's how we do it...we always line up that way...he plays that side...we don't flip-flop guys...This is exactly why Glenn is covering Williams. We play zone and don't give a single thought to matchups.

Everyone else does, meaning calling plays against this defense is a piece of cake.

Hmm...shorty is playing LCB. Let's put a tall guy over there and just throw it up for grabs.

I could have called that play...

[jimmy40]

Newman had a bad day. BUT he is the guy who SHOULD have been one on one with Williams. He has shut other top WRs down before; so he and not the very short Glenn should have been on him. No way that mis match should have been allowed.He was one on one with Williams, Mike Williams and he couldn't cover him either.

[Coakleys Dad]

The resulting TD...


http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k215/eduncan22/TheResult.jpg


Get rid of Glenn.
glenn has played well, that is bad scheme and coaching.....

[EPL0c0]

glenn has played well, that is bad scheme and coaching.....
Agreed.

Everybody was LOVING Aaron Glenn when he jumped that route against NYG on 3rd and Goal from the 4. He nearly picked it off, and that was against the 6'5 Plastico.