Favor: Vid of T-New's TD return?

[WoodysGirl]

Didn't get to watch the game, but I would like to see T-New's return.

Can anybody snag the vid for me?

[ZenItRam]

Please! This would me much appreciated.

[Charles]

After 64 games Newman finally breaks one, but sadly it happens in arguably his worst game as a Professional:banghead:

I bet he won't be running his yap this week.

[superpunk]

After 64 games Newman finally breaks one, but sadly it happens in arguably his worst game as a Professional:banghead:

I bet he won't be running his yap this week.

But.....but.......21 players in his rear view.:lmao2:

[Alexander]

After 64 games Newman finally breaks one, but sadly it happens in arguably his worst game as a Professional:banghead:

I bet he won't be running his yap this week.

It seemed nice when he did it.

I think he should go back into the shadows now.

[Charles]

But.....but.......21 players in his rear view.:lmao2:

It's almost prophetic isn't it. I critise the guy for not even bein glucky enough to break one in the next game he finally see's the light.............64 games is along time to wait especially for the 5th overall pick wouldn't you agree.

[Charles]

It seemed nice when he did it.

I think he should go back into the shadows now.

Nice..........more like shocked but Mike Williams owning his a$$ brought me back to reality.

[superpunk]

It's almost prophetic isn't it. I critise the guy for not even bein glucky enough to break one in the next game he finally see's the light.............64 games is along time to wait especially for the 5th overall pick wouldn't you agree.

I wouldn't agree. He rarely returns punts, and pick-six happens once in a blue moon. I don't look at top pick QBs and wonder when the next time one of them is going to complete a game-tying hail-mary. Why would I judge CBs on an equally rare criteria?

[Achozen]

After 64 games Newman finally breaks one, but sadly it happens in arguably his worst game as a Professional:banghead:

I bet he won't be running his yap this week.
But, you have to take into account that he didn't return many kicks his first 2 years. (2 to be exact)

Still I agree that this is what we should except from a 5th overall pick. Let's hope he breaks one in the playoffs.

[Charles]

I wouldn't agree. He rarely returns punts, and pick-six happens once in a blue moon.
Rarely or just not good enough, I didn't see other franchises with elite return me holding them back......Champ Bailey did it DC and with the Bronco's, Hall does it, Adam Pac Man Jones does it............last time I checked folks around these parts though he was comparable, infact the scouting staff and coaching department ran their mouths about his Special teams ability inorder to justify the 5th overall selection.

pick-six are just a part of the plays that elite CBs or Special teams players are supposed to make. The fact that 4 seasons went by before an extraodinary talent like Newman was able to sniff end-zone is amazing......just like the blue moon.

I don't look at top pick QBs and wonder when the next time one of them is going to complete a game-tying hail-mary.
Neither do I, but I expect them to atleast make game changing places once every blue moon, Newman's blue moon came this Sunday after exactly 4 seasons in the NFL........too bad he also threw in his worst performance as a Pro too.

Why would I judge CBs on an equally rare criteria?
Because the elite are able to do the rare things that very good CBs like Newman can't do or couldn't do until this past Sunday.

[StevenOtero]

Just found his K-State highlights tho:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJoT-w5t2ks

[Charles]

Just found his K-State highlights tho:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJoT-w5t2ks

Yep that guy finally showed up this weekend, I guess he has to run his mouth the week before:lmao2:

[superpunk]

Rarely or just not good enough, I didn't see other franchises with elite return me holding them back......Champ Bailey did it DC and with the Bronco's, Hall does it, Adam Pac Man Jones does it............last time I checked folks around these parts though he was comparable, infact the scouting staff and coaching department ran their mouths about his Special teams ability inorder to justify the 5th overall selection.

What does any of that have to do with how Parcells views using corners as returners. Considering we've never had a returner who was a full-time starter, I think conclusions can be drawn. The fact that Parcells puts Newman in there when it looks like a return will be probable, or he needs a big play, should tell you everything you need to know about Parcells' opinion of Newman as a returner.

You held up a TD as some holy grail. He now has the exact same number of TDs in his first 4 years as the incomparable Champ Bailey did. w00t. :rolleyes:

[Charles]

Another title to this thread........

"After 4 seasons in NFL, 5th overall pick flashes game changing plays (good and bad) against a woeful 3-13 Lions team"

[EPL0c0]

I believe it was Dallas ONLY punt/kick return for TD all season...

[Sam I Am]

Didn't get to watch the game, but I would like to see T-New's return.

Can anybody snag the vid for me?

I didn't get to see the game either, but they have the game highlights on DallasCowboys.com and it shows the punt return.

[Chocolate Lab]

Well, WG, we have some good news and some bad news for you.

The bad news is that your thread has been hijacked by at least a pseudo-troll.

But the good news is that now it's sure to be bumped enough that some video wiz will be sure to see it. ;)

[Charles]

What does any of that have to do with how Parcells views using corners as returners. Considering we've never had a returner who was a full-time starter, I think conclusions can be drawn. The fact that Parcells puts Newman in there when it looks like a return will be probable, or he needs a big play, should tell you everything you need to know about Parcells' opinion of Newman as a returner.
You'd have a point, but while Parcells prefers a certain body type for punt and KO returns, he doesn't let pure talent get in the way. Aaron Glenn does not have the body type, but Parcells has used him on numerous occassions to field KO, infact the guy was back their on Sunday, last time I checked Glenn was more like Darrell Green than Austin Miles or Tyson Thompson. The same applies to Dedric Ward as a punt return.


You held up a TD as some holy grail. He now has the exact same number of TDs in his first 4 years as the incomparable Champ Bailey did. w00t. :rolleyes:
Wrong, I held up play making ability (as expected froma 5TH OVERALL pick) as the holy grail, but I am not suprised you'd pigeon-hole my stance to prove a point.

No matter how hard the stat pushers try, Newman has never played consistenly at the level Champ brings to the table and the Redskins nor the Bronco's had to wait 4 seasons against one of the worst teams in the NFL in the last game of the season with nothing to play for. :rolleyes:

[WoodysGirl]

I didn't get to see the game either, but they have the game highlights on DallasCowboys.com and it shows the punt return.Ok thanks. I'll check it out.

Well, WG, we have some good news and some bad news for you.

The bad news is that your thread has been hijacked by at least a pseudo-troll.

But the good news is that now it's sure to be bumped enough that some video wiz will be sure to see it. ;)
Yeah CL, there's a positive in everything. I'm still trying to walk thru the manure to get to it.:(

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Can somone get me the vid of Mike Furrey/Mike Williams Owning T-new??

[Charles]

Yeah CL, there's a positive in everything. I'm still trying to walk thru the manure to get to it.:(
The truth usually hurts:p:

[Charles]

Can somone get me the vid of Mike Furrey/Mike Williams Owning T-new??

oopppss more manure:lmao2: :lmao:

[superpunk]

Wrong, I held up play making ability (as expected froma 5TH OVERALL pick) as the holy grail, but I am not suprised you'd pigeon-hole my stance to prove a point.

It may have had something to do with you repeating the same tired mantra over and over again.

"When was the last time Newman had 21 players in his rear-view mirror?"

Currently, the answer is last sunday.

I have to say, I'm shocked. Newman finally played a game similar to DeAngelo Hall or a young Champ Bailey, and you still find fault with him. There's no pleasing some people.

On second thought - I'm not shocked. And I see no reason to continue this. So, I'll leave you with the same phrase you typed up countless times last week.

"When was the last time Newman had 21 players in his rear-view mirror?"

[Charles]

It may have had something to do with you repeating the same tired mantra over and over again.

"When was the last time Newman had 21 players in his rear-view mirror?"

Currently, the answer is last sunday.
I'll give the squirrel some luv.

I have to say, I'm shocked. Newman finally played a game similar to DeAngelo Hall or a young Champ Bailey, and you still find fault with him. There's no pleasing some people.
I'll be pleased when Newman starts living up the value expected from a CB draft with the 5th overall pick.

Wake me up the day that Bailey or Hall get owned by Mike Williams and Furley (sp). Owens, Johnson and Harrison they are not.

On second thought - I'm not shocked. And I see no reason to continue this. So, I'll leave you with the same phrase you typed up countless times last week.

"When was the last time Newman had 21 players in his rear-view mirror?"
It was after 63 games in the NFL going against a 3-13 team Detroit Lion team in which he also was responsible for giving up 14 points on TD passes some say his forteit:D . Not to mention negating another with a penalty.

Thanks for justifying my point with the question............He's along way from being the CB or player drafted with the 5th overall pick.

No further discussion needed.

Like I said last week Newman needs to shut up!!!

[Alexander]

I have to say, I'm shocked. Newman finally played a game similar to DeAngelo Hall or a young Champ Bailey, and you still find fault with him. There's no pleasing some people.

He got burned like DeAngelo Hall, if that is what you mean.

I was happy for him to get the return and show one of the reasons he was our first round choice.

I was regretful to see that it almost came because he needed it badly to erase a bad taste in the mouth for one of his least effective performances over the last two seasons.

To become elite, he has to put it together. And until he has that perfect game, the criticisms will continue and will have at least some validity.

[superpunk]

He got burned like DeAngelo Hall, if that is what you mean.

:wink2: Exactly.

I was happy for him to get the return and show one of the reasons he was our first round choice.

I was regretful to see that it almost came because he needed it badly to erase a bad taste in the mouth for one of his least effective performances over the last two seasons.

To become elite, he has to put it together. And until he has that perfect game, the criticisms will continue and will have at least some validity.

IMO - shutting down (or as close as you can get) his half of the field has shown me why we picked him 5th overall. He's a great cover guy - shockingly, there are less of those guys than there are playmakers at CB - at least IMO. He's 4 years in. Bailey was roasted for years in DC for getting toasted regularly. He put it together, and is the most complete corner in the NFL, now. A great mix of coverage and ballhawking who will tempt the QBs to throw his way. Newman doesn't have that confidence yet, and maybe he'll never have that ability.

What he does have - and what he is for us - is a player who I am genuinely shocked when I see him allow even a catch. THAT is good. I have a feeling the rest will come.

[DBoys]

Didn't get to watch the game, but I would like to see T-New's return.

Can anybody snag the vid for me?

Nobody posted the game to download so I cannot rip it for you.

PM TEK2000 he always records the games and rips highlights.

[theebs]

Didn't get to watch the game, but I would like to see T-New's return.

Can anybody snag the vid for me?

I will put the clip up tonight some time if you are willing to wait that long.

I am with my son today and He doesnt allow me to go on the computer and do anything.

I know I know how am I on now you ask, he is taking his nap and I am on the laptop!!!

I captured the game yesterday on my other computer.

Will get it up as soon as I can.

[Alexander]

Will get it up as soon as I can.

Don't blush, Woody's Girl.

[WoodysGirl]

I will put the clip up tonight some time if you are willing to wait that long.

I am with my son today and He doesnt allow me to go on the computer and do anything.

I know I know how am I on now you ask, he is taking his nap and I am on the laptop!!!

I captured the game yesterday on my other computer.

Will get it up as soon as I can.I can wait. Job blocks streaming, so some of the other suggestions would have had to wait that long as well.

Don't blush, Woody's Girl.Tehe. :p:

[theebs]

Don't blush, Woody's Girl.


LOL whoops!!

I feel like tobias from arrested development.

"I just blue mysefl"

[Charles]

He got burned like DeAngelo Hall, if that is what you mean.
He had a point, but I think it's one thing to get burnt by McNabb-Owens or Manning-Harrison or Palmer-Johnson but by Kitna-Furley/Williams:bang2:

I was happy for him to get the return and show one of the reasons he was our first round choice.

I was regretful to see that it almost came because he needed it badly to erase a bad taste in the mouth for one of his least effective performances over the last two seasons.

To become elite, he has to put it together. And until he has that perfect game, the criticisms will continue and will have at least some validity.

:hammer:

Some can't get the cover kool-aid away from their mouths to realize that Newman has been nondescript his entire career. We didn't draft him to be a very good cover corner. He was drafted to be a all around CB with elite capabilities in Special teams............after 63 games that isn't bang for your buck.:cool:

[TEK2000]

Some "fans" are just disgusting. It doesn't matter that he's the most consistent and best defensive player we have over the course of 2 years... he has 1 game where he allows a couple of plays and all the sudden these "fans" come out of the woodwork to talk down about him.

Take a dump on EVERYONE and appreciate nothing!

I'm ashamed to call myself a Cowboys fan if I have to be grouped in with the likes of you Charles.

[DBoys]

I ripped the highlights from DC.COM and posted it in my filefront account.

The TNew TD is in there:

http://files.filefront.com/LionsBoysHighlights123106asf/;6461812;;/fileinfo.html

[the kid 05]

Some "fans" are just disgusting. It doesn't matter that he's the most consistent and best defensive player we have over the course of 2 years... he has 1 game where he allows a couple of plays and all the sudden these "fans" come out of the woodwork to talk down about him.

Take a dump on EVERYONE and appreciate nothing!

I'm ashamed to call myself a Cowboys fan if I have to be grouped in with the likes of you Charles.

LETS GET EM!!!! :chainsaw:

[superpunk]

Some "fans" are just disgusting. It doesn't matter that he's the most consistent and best defensive player we have over the course of 2 years... he has 1 game where he allows a couple of plays and all the sudden these "fans" come out of the woodwork to talk down about him.

Take a dump on EVERYONE and appreciate nothing!

I'm ashamed to call myself a Cowboys fan if I have to be grouped in with the likes of you Charles.

Controlling half the field isn't "game-changing" enough. :rolleyes: Whatever. It's not worth it.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Controlling half the field isn't "game-changing" enough. :rolleyes: Whatever. It's not worth it.


Its not the early 90's and Deion isnt out there? If I saw Mike Furrey abuse Deion I'd shart myself.. And Im not talking about post turf toe Deion either..

[JPM]

LOL whoops!!

I feel like tobias from arrested development.

"I just blue mysefl"

That was the funniest show on TV.

"did you see the new poof ?"

[JPM]

Some "fans" are just disgusting. It doesn't matter that he's the most consistent and best defensive player we have over the course of 2 years... he has 1 game where he allows a couple of plays and all the sudden these "fans" come out of the woodwork to talk down about him.

Take a dump on EVERYONE and appreciate nothing!

I'm ashamed to call myself a Cowboys fan if I have to be grouped in with the likes of you Charles.

I'm a Yankees fan and when things go right everyone is happy, as soon as things turn sour, get rid of all of them. The similarities are striking.

[Charles]

Some "fans" are just disgusting. It doesn't matter that he's the most consistent and best defensive player we have over the course of 2 years...
Newman hasn't been the best defensive player over the past 2 season..........thats Newman Kool-aid......Roy Williams, Bradie James and Ware might have something to say about. They've been just as good at their roles. Plus Roy and Ware have found ways to make plays while also fulfilling their primary roles. Newman has only been very good at his role....... covering, but nondescript in other areas expected from the 5th overall pick.

he has 1 game where he allows a couple of plays and all the sudden these "fans" come out of the woodwork to talk down about him.
Well count me out of that group, I've been a Newman critic ever since I realized he hasn't been lucky enough to sniff the endzone for about 4 seasons. I didn't just come out the wood work.

I critised him last week when he appointed himself team spokesman when he hadn't done anything above the call of duty as exepct from the 5th overall pick, inhindsight he should have kept his mouth shut, cause it's only human nature that now his teammates whom he critised will look at him and wonder "why was this guy running his mouth last week and proceeds to give up 14 points and negate 7.

Take a dump on EVERYONE and appreciate nothing!
Newman is 4 seasons in the hole, when it comes to making plays that were expect with his draft status attained from his exceptional play at Kansas.

Wake me up when he has a Ware type game (ala Carolina). Infact Ware showed us what happens when you play a 3-13 team. He had 3 sacks and was wrecking havoc. Newman was torched by Mike Williams and Furley (sp).

Why shouldn't I expect the same standard from Newman as Ware and Roy Willaims have displayed?


I'm ashamed to call myself a Cowboys fan if I have to be grouped in with the likes of you Charles.
I am ashamed that Cowboy fans like you have lowered the standards exepcted from the highest draft pick for our beloved team in the past decade.

Ever wonder why most fans smirk when Cowboy fans prop Newman up?

They respect his cover ability, but are amazed at his nondescript nature in other factors of the game......factors that elevated Terence to the 5th overal pick.

Get off the Newman Kool-aid.

[Charles]

Controlling half the field isn't "game-changing" enough. :rolleyes: Whatever. It's not worth it.

Controlling half the field:lmao2: :lmao: :bow:.

Newman has never been given that type of respect by our coaching staff. There is absolutely no evidence or stats that can prove the point.

In Deion's case it was very evident. When he came to Dallas, Woody was good enough to play close to the LOS and cover. Deion rarely needed Safety help. Marion or Teague played center field mostly cheating to the other CB to give help. Infact that is how half the field crap started.

Furthermore, Newman moves into the slot on as Nickel back. It's kind of impossible covering half the field when you're in the slot. It's also shocking at how few peel/assist off INTs he's had playing Nickel against the normally the
3rd Wr.

Sell those cliche's soemwhere else. Deion and Newman have only one similarity speed, Deion knew how to use his......after 63 games Newman realized he could actually hit a hole and accelerate past a kicker.

[TEK2000]

You're obviously one of the people that votes for CB's based purely on INT's.

Its hard to recognize good players when you actually have to watch the games and know what you're watching rather than seeing highlights on ESPN and pulling up stats.

[Charles]

You're obviously one of the people that votes for CB's based purely on INT's.

Its hard to recognize good players when you actually have to watch the games and know what you're watching rather than seeing highlights on ESPN and pulling up stats.
Interesting coming from a poster with A Video game Avatar.

I said it last week and I'll say it again.

I like Newman, I like the cover abilities he brings to the team. We essentially have a starting caliber CB moving to the slot on the nickel. That is greatin todays NFL. I am a Newman fan too.

But have we got the value/production expect from Newman as the 5th overall pick. I have this discussion everytime a Cowboy fans says Newman in "snubbed" from the Pro Bowl or folks hold up the few TDs passes given up by Newman as the reason he should be considered an elite CB.

Last week some said he'd only given up 2TD in 35 games. I asked if those TDs included TD runs to his side. I bet Champ Bailey would have stopped Chris Cooley dead in his tracks if they met in the open field. I can't seem to forget Cooley taking Newman's jock into the EndZone last year.

Parcell's critised Newman's arm technique 2 weeks ago when he gave up a reception by swatting with the wrong had.

Newman is lacking in areas that we exepcted when drafting 5th overall.

Do I like the player.........YES. Are we getting bang for our buck/draft value NO!!!.

He needs to shut up or end up lookind like a Donkey.

When he gave up that TD to Mike Williams you don't think there were players on the sideline saying...........is this the same guy who was running his mouth about making more plays last week.........is this also the same guy that hasn't sniffed the EndZone in like 4 seasons after being a elite SP player and CB at Kansas.

[TEK2000]

Video Game avatar? Might want to look a little closer bud... that's a frame capture of the ACTUAL GAME FOOTAGE when Ware was running his TD vs the Falcons.

Newman has "sniffed" the endzone the same amount of times Champ Bailey did in his first 4 seasons.... ONCE!

Why don't you stop "sniffing" Champ Bailey's jock.

[the kid 05]

Interesting coming from a poster with A Video game Avatar.
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thats real life bud

[TEK2000]

Lets set aside draft position real quick and just take a look at whether we are getting our money's worth.

For a guy that didn't allow a single passing TD through 30 straight games....

Newman, Terence
View Stats at Players Inc Site
Player Info
Draft Info

CB (#)
Year: 2003

Dallas Cowboys
Round: 1
Position: 5

Salary History

2003 1111000.00
2004 305417.00
2005 583167.00
2006 860917.00
2007 1138667.00
2008 1416417.00
2009 1694165.00


Bailey, Roland (Champ)
View Stats at Players Inc Site
Player Info
Draft Info

CB (#24)
Year: 1999

Denver Broncos
Round: 1
Position: 7

Salary History

2004 1000000.00
2005 540000.00
2006 5500000.00
2007 5500000.00
2008 7500000.00
2009 6500000.00
2010 9500000.00

That's $5.5mil compared to $860k.

[stealth]

Ima have to say tek just summed it up rather well.

[Charles]

Lets set aside draft position real quick and just take a look at whether we are getting our money's worth.


For a guy that didn't allow a single passing TD through 30 straight games....

Newman, Terence
View Stats at Players Inc Site
Player Info
Draft Info

CB (#)
Year: 2003

Dallas Cowboys
Round: 1
Position: 5

Salary History

2003 1111000.00
2004 305417.00
2005 583167.00
2006 860917.00
2007 1138667.00
2008 1416417.00
2009 1694165.00


Bailey, Roland (Champ)
View Stats at Players Inc Site
Player Info
Draft Info

CB (#24)
Year: 1999

Denver Broncos
Round: 1
Position: 7

Salary History

2004 1000000.00
2005 540000.00
2006 5500000.00
2007 5500000.00
2008 7500000.00
2009 6500000.00
2010 9500000.00

That's $5.5mil compared to $860k.

:laugh2: I guess you have a point if Newman was anything other than a high draft pick.........but he was:laugh2:

You also have a point if Bailey was still playing on his rookie contract......but he isn't:laugh2:

[Vintage]

Charles, where does Nate Washington fit into the picture in comparison to Furrey>

Furrey at least is near the tops in receptions, racked up quite a few yards, and had a great season.

Nate Washington IIRC, beat DeAngelo Hall for a TD.

Secondly, Newman scored a TD. You've been clamoring for WEEKS for him to put "21 in his review." Now he has.

You labor and labor us with your Champ talk and his ability to score. This is a recent thing for Champ. As already stated, he scored once in his first four years in the league. Newman has that matched.

Secondly, I am curious to what kind of expectations you set for a CB. Because Newman has played pretty well despite almost no consistant pass rush all season long. I mean, you can only hold coverage for 10 seconds so many times before getting beat, right?

All of us would love to see Newman make a few more plays on the ball. But you know what is equally nice? Not seeing him in highlights for nearly two years (as in getting burnt).

[Charles]

Video Game avatar? Might want to look a little closer bud... that's a frame capture of the ACTUAL GAME FOOTAGE when Ware was running his TD vs the Falcons.


Newman has "sniffed" the endzone the same amount of times Champ Bailey did in his first 4 seasons.... ONCE!

Why don't you stop "sniffing" Champ Bailey's jock.
That is real life. I am mistaken. I had forgotten it didn't take Ware atleast 4 seasons to sniff the EndZone...........(ever get the feeling you got set-up);).

I've been waiting to drink the Newman Kool-aid. Sadly, I am unimpressed. He took 64 games.........against a 3-13 team with nothing to play for. Infact Terence Newman is responsible for giving the pathetic Lions any hope, when his dump penalty negated a Roy Williams INT. It's funny how Roy is considered a pathetic cover guy, yet seems to be in position to do what Newman can't do until he goes up against a punt return unit on a 3-13 team.

Lay-off the Newman sauce it's clouding your judgement.

[TEK2000]

:laugh2: I guess you have a point if Newman was anything other than a high draft pick.........but he was:laugh2:

You also have a point if Bailey was still playing on his rookie contract......but he isn't:laugh2:

You do realize that Newman's contract is listed as being through 2009 for much less than 2 mil a year... while Bailey will cost the Broncos 7.5 mil, 6.5mil, 9.5 mil per each of the upcoming seasons (should he play out the rest of his contract).

Newman is 4 INT's behind Champ at this stage of Champ's career... but can we say that Champ never allowed a passing TD through 30 games of his 3rd and 4th season? I highly doubt it.

The one thing that I'll always remember about Champ Bailey... and this is not to say he's not GREAT because HE IS! 2005 Cowboys vs Broncos. Bledsoe throws an out route and Bailey jumps it and takes it to the house. Later in the game... they fake a quick throw to Terry Glenn, Champ bites HARD on the fake and leaves Keyshawn WIDE OPEN to WALK into the endzone.

[AdamJT13]

Newman is 4 INT's behind Champ at this stage of Champ's career... but can we say that Champ never allowed a passing TD through 30 games of his 3rd and 4th season? I highly doubt it.

According to STATS LLC., Bailey allowed a total of seven touchdown catches in his third and fourth seasons. He followed that up by allowing nine in his fifth and sixth seasons. That's 16 TD catches allowed in those four seasons, compared to 11 interceptions (none for a touchdown).

[Vintage]

According to STATS LLC., Bailey allowed a total of seven touchdown catches in his third and fourth seasons. He followed that up by allowing nine in his fifth and sixth seasons. That's 16 TD catches allowed in those four seasons, compared to 11 interceptions (none for a touchdown).

And Newman's?

And can someone tell me if it was Nate Washington who DeAngelo Hall allowed to score....?

[superpunk]

And Newman's?

And can someone tell me if it was Nate Washington who DeAngelo Hall allowed to score....?
Newman would be 3 TDs and 4 picks, if I'm not mistaken - for his third and fourth years.

[Charles]

Charles, where does Nate Washington fit into the picture in comparison to Furrey>

Furrey at least is near the tops in receptions, racked up quite a few yards, and had a great season.

Nate Washington IIRC, beat DeAngelo Hall for a TD.
I don't have to reconcile the comparison, because I already admitted last week while critising Newman that all CBs get beat. The elite just make more plays too.

Secondly, Newman scored a TD. You've been clamoring for WEEKS for him to put "21 in his review." Now he has.
Wrong, I've been clamoring for 4 seasons.

You labor and labor us with your Champ talk and his ability to score. This is a recent thing for Champ. As already stated, he scored once in his first four years in the league. Newman has that matched.
Wrong, I labor at Champs and Hall abilities to game changing plays........scoring just happens to be one factor.

Secondly, I am curious to what kind of expectations you set for a CB. Because Newman has played pretty well despite almost no consistant pass rush all season long. I mean, you can only hold coverage for 10 seconds so many times before getting beat, right?
The expectations were set very high when he was selected with the 5th overall pick. He draft value was due to his exceptional CB and Special teams skills.
It took 64 games and arguably the worst built franchise in todays NFL to make a play in Special teams and he still hasn't been lucky enough to jump a route and take it to the house.

All of us would love to see Newman make a few more plays on the ball. But you know what is equally nice? Not seeing him in highlights for nearly two years (as in getting burnt).

I agree Highlights......... Bad and GOOD:p:

[TEK2000]

Wrong, I labor at Champs and Hall abilities to game changing plays........scoring just happens to be one factor.

It took 64 games and arguably the worst built franchise in todays NFL to make a play in Special teams and he still hasn't been lucky enough to jump a route and take it to the house.


Are you referring to Hall's ability to give up the 51 yarder to TO... or the 84 yarder to Devery Henderson?

It took Champ 80 games and a 2nd franchise before he got his 2nd TD so why are you acting like he's just been lighting up the scoreboard his entire career and belittling Newman's accomplishments?

[superpunk]

Are you referring to Hall's ability to give up the 51 yarder to TO... or the 84 yarder to Devery Henderson?

It took Champ 80 games and a 2nd franchise before he got his 2nd TD so why are you acting like he's just been lighting up the scoreboard his entire career and belittling Newman's accomplishments?

My guess would be that after 04, Charles sourpussed on Newman and now can't let it go, like he does with any player he chooses to whine about. Now, he's got to defend an indefensible stance, rather than eat crow, and the only flaw in Newman's game was that he's not housing the ball all the time. So, he's got to take the style over substance route to defend his position. Some people can't fess up and say "I jumped too soon on that one."

Just a guess.

[TEK2000]

My guess would be that after 04, Charles sourpussed on Newman and now can't let it go, like he does with any player he chooses to whine about. Now, he's got to defend an indefensible stance, rather than eat crow, and the only flaw in Newman's game was that he's not housing the ball all the time. So, he's got to take the style over substance route to defend his position. Some people can't fess up and say "I jumped too soon on that one."

Just a guess.

Sounds very logical to me! :starspin :starspin

[Charles]

Are you referring to Hall's ability to give up the 51 yarder to TO... or the 84 yarder to Devery Henderson?

It took Champ 80 games and a 2nd franchise before he got his 2nd TD so why are you acting like he's just been lighting up the scoreboard his entire career and belittling Newman's accomplishments?

Champ Bailey has been lighting up the play-making scoreboard his entire career.

The only reason Newman's accomplishments appear to be belittled in my posts is because I hold them up to the value/production expected from a top 10 pick.

Ware has only played in 2 seasons. He already has about 5 signature plays and has dominated about 3 to 4 games. Considering he learned a new postion that is remarkable, but player drafted higher in Newman tagged with having Special teams and elite covering capabilities has been up until yesterday nondescript. Infact yesterday can't even count cause he gave up more points than he created........

[Charles]

My guess would be that after 04, Charles sourpussed on Newman and now can't let it go, like he does with any player he chooses to whine about. Now, he's got to defend an indefensible stance, rather than eat crow, and the only flaw in Newman's game was that he's not housing the ball all the time. So, he's got to take the style over substance route to defend his position. Some people can't fess up and say "I jumped too soon on that one."

Just a guess.
I actually like Newman. How many times do I have to say it? But he hasn't lived up the billing.

Sadly, you can't refure the point so you left guessing.


I didn't jump too soon. Newman decided to run his mouth last week about how everyone needs to shut up and make plays. While I like the Newman's ability, it's amazing how he's gone 4 seasons without having a signature game or play after being the 5th overall pick, but decides to call his teammates out.

What goes around comes around. He proceeds to take points away from the team on the 1st play. Maybe he got jealous that our Roy "an average" cover DB could luck up so easy.:D

He then coughs up the ball in our territory............makes a play that we've been waiting for for 4 seasons but later goes on to get beat covering WR (his forteit).

Yeah I am defending a lost cause atleast I am not guessing.

[superpunk]

Sadly, you can't refure the point so you left guessing.


Lmao....your point has been refuted many times. The fact that you don’t listen, hold your hands over your ears screaming “Nyah, nyah, Newman’s not an impact player, the 5th pick in the draft should be more” leaves us guessing, since I wasn’t around to see you hammer him in the summer of 04. There’s clearly no winning for him with you. You trumpet a young champ and Hall, and Newman finally has a game like them (good and bad) and you refuse their warts - glossing over it with more bull. He finally leaves 21 players in his rearview - your rally cry, or don’t you remember? - and it’s “it was against the worst team in the league - so what?”

Have your opinion. It’s garbage, but it’s yours. Cherish it. I see no reason to continue with you. Newman can’t win - in any way. You’ve set some impossible standard that even your heroes (Champ and Hall) don’t live up to. So there’s no reason to try to discuss it reasonably - you’ve kicked reason to the curb. Ta-ta.

[AdamJT13]

Champ Bailey has been lighting up the play-making scoreboard his entire career.

Except for his third, fourth, fifth and sixth seasons, right?

The only difference between Newman's first four seasons and Bailey's third, fourth, fifth and sixth seasons is that Newman has one more interception than Bailey did (12 to 11), has been a much better shutdown cornerback than Bailey was during those four seasons, has scored a touchdown on special teams and has two sacks (Bailey didn't score or get a sack in those four seasons).

[Charles]

Lmao....your point has been refuted many times. The fact that you don’t listen, hold your hands over your ears screaming “Nyah, nyah, Newman’s not an impact player, the 5th pick in the draft should be more” leaves us guessing, since I wasn’t around to see you hammer him in the summer of 04. There’s clearly no winning for him with you. You trumpet a young champ and Hall, and Newman finally has a game like them (good and bad) and you refuse their warts - glossing over it with more bull. He finally leaves 21 players in his rearview - your rally cry, or don’t you remember? - and it’s “it was against the worst team in the league - so what?”

Have your opinion. It’s garbage, but it’s yours. Cherish it. I see no reason to continue with you. Newman can’t win - in any way. You’ve set some impossible standard that even your heroes (Champ and Hall) don’t live up to. So there’s no reason to try to discuss it reasonably - you’ve kicked reason to the curb. Ta-ta.

Refuted:lmao2:

Yeah please point out one game where Bailey or Hall were responsible for taking a TD off the board, muffing a punt and giving up 2 TD passes in one game. That is hilarious. Yes this discussion is over, because you can't.......

I still luv Newman, but a spade is a spade. Up until this past weekend he hadn't done anything above and beyond the call of ones primary role to be considered an elite player. And in the game he does flash, he also proceeds to have his worst career outting.

later superpunk

[Charles]

Except for his third, fourth, fifth and sixth seasons, right?

The only difference between Newman's first four seasons and Bailey's third, fourth, fifth and sixth seasons is that Newman has been a much better shutdown cornerback than Bailey was during those four seasons. And the fact that Newman scored a touchdown on special teams and has two sacks (Bailey didn't score or get a sack in those four seasons).

But coaches, players saw fit to vote him amongst the elite every season except one in his career.

How do you reconcile that with the fact that Newman can barely make it?

Take the homer glasses off. Stats don't tell the whole story. Newman gets owned in other facets of the game.

[AdamJT13]

Take the homer glasses off. Stats don't tell the whole story. Newman gets owned in other facets of the game.

Such as what, not making enough big plays? The fact is, getting more interceptions while allowing more yards and touchdowns gets you on ESPN more and gives you a better chance to make the Pro Bowl (see DeAngelo Hall, Lito Sheppard and Ronde Barber), but it doesn't win more football games.

[BigDFan5]

Is this seriously a debate? Newman allows 3 TDs in 2 years, and allows fewer catches and yards than ANY db in the league and his worth is being questioned? ridiculous

[stealth]

newman sucks bring back pete hunter!

[TEK2000]

newman sucks bring back pete hunter! Too late.. the Seahawks already grabbed him as their secret weapon.

[demdcowboys#1]

But coaches, players saw fit to vote him amongst the elite every season except one in his career.

How do you reconcile that with the fact that Newman can barely make it?

Take the homer glasses off. Stats don't tell the whole story. Newman gets owned in other facets of the game.

You care to tell us what "facets" he gets owned in?

Allowing 2 TD's in 35+ games is owned.........right?
Please elaborate on your statement.
As far as im concerned Newman is an elite shutdown CB in this league. How can he make "game changing plays" If the play is never thrown his way?

[Vintage]

I've ripped on Newman in the past....

Mainly a lot after 2004. And then I called last year a fluke heading into the season and questioned whether or not we overrated him several times throughout the year. And the he follows his 2005 season up with another year that is impressive. Sure, it wasn't quite as good as 2005.

But it was great especially considering we have no pass rush. Last year, with a mediocre pass rush, he was phenominal.

I see a correlation. I was wrong about Newman not being as good as hyped here when I ripped on him early on in the season.

INT's are nice. I wish Newman would pick a few more off. But I am glad we have Newman. Its nice knowing we have a CB who holds up under all sorts of conditions.

Is he the best in the league? I don't know. But I challenge you to find me a CB who has been beat less in the past 2 years despite getting little help from their front 7.

Actually, I just challenge you to find me a corner that has been beaten less at all (starting CBs). Maybe that's not sexy to you. But it gets me off.

[Chocolate Lab]

My guess would be that after 04, Charles sourpussed on Newman and now can't let it go, like he does with any player he chooses to whine about. Now, he's got to defend an indefensible stance, rather than eat crow, and the only flaw in Newman's game was that he's not housing the ball all the time. So, he's got to take the style over substance route to defend his position. Some people can't fess up and say "I jumped too soon on that one."

Just a guess.Actually, I'm pretty sure Charles has always been against Newman, no matter how big of a "fan" he claims to be now. Wasn't it Leftwich you wanted, Charles?

But anyway, there was a group of fans that were very anti-Newman, and are probably still looking for reasons to bash the guy. You know, those guys who fall in love with college players and when we don't get them, they don't like the guy we took instead? Even if he's a good player?

Charles can be a good poster, so I dunno why he intentionally tries to stir things up like this. Maybe he misses all the long threads and controversy defending his favorite player back when his username was "QCard". ;)

[McCordsville Cowboy]

EJ Whitley has Better acceleration than T-New...

EJ wouldnt have let the Punter touch him...

[TEK2000]

EJ Whitley has Better acceleration than T-New...

EJ wouldnt have let the Punter touch him...
Is that a midget in your sig? :lmao2:
The image is a little out of proportion.

[theebs]

here is the newman punt return.
http://www.4shared.com/file/8255263/66268d5b/newman_punt_return.html