Come on guys Davis helps but we still have problems

[STSINAZ]

Columbo was a bit of a problem last year IMO...Witten had to help out way too much.

Kosier got laid out several times too....and Gurode still knows how to wiff on his man.

Same thing with Flozell....he gets beat by speed too much.

While I think we are improved with Davis at Guard I do believe that we are not as great as the homers may say. You can see a homer a mile a way....they have been posting....Oh our Line is going to be dominant...awesome...lol...etc.etc.etc....Did they watch the games last year?

IMO I would say our line went from a 6.5 to a 7.25.

[Cowboy4ever]

Columbo was a bit of a problem last year IMO...Witten had to help out way too much.

Kosier got laid out several times too....and Gurode still knows how to wiff on his man.

Same thing with Flozell....he gets beat by speed too much.

While I think we are improved with Davis at Guard I do believe that we are not as great as the homers may say. You can see a homer a mile a way....they have been posting....Oh our Line is going to be dominant...awesome...lol...etc.etc.etc....Did they watch the games last year?

IMO I would say our line went from a 6.5 to a 7.25.

No offense, but do you ever hav anything positive to say?? There is not ONE lineman in the league that don't get beat at some point. Flo struggled early in the year but mid -late he was very good, colombo did a great job on the right side. Andre G.. was about as good at center as anyone last year and Kyle did a decent to good job,, Rivera was the only player from that line that was consistantly beat and he has been replaced. Our line went from Average to Good with the potential to be VERY good. and getting Davis is a huge plus to play RG.

[burmafrd]

As usual you are wrong. Witten/Fasano spent most of their time helping out the Hotel untill he got back into shape. They did not have to help Colombo much. Kosier was very solid later in the year once he got used to everybody and how they played. Gurode was solid as well. I would say with Davis we are maybe a top 10 line with room to improve(right at #10). Kosier will have another TC to get used to working with every one; and Columbo will have another offseason to get stronger- and he is still learning; remember he only has about 20-22 total starts. Davis will have to learn to work with Gurode and Colombo and that might take a few games- but he is an experienced pro and SHOULD do well.I could see this line maybe reaching as high at #7 or 8.
KC's line is deteriorating fast- Black as a tackle was mediocre at best and everyone else there is going down hill. There are really only about 4-5 lines that are CLEARLY better then ours. Or should be if things work out. Colts, SD are the two best right now; Seattle took a bigger then expected hit losing Hutchinson; Philthy is good; The Pats of course; Denver is very solid; CInci is going to have to make up for losing Steinbach. Colts, SD, Pats, Denver, Philthy are the only ones I can think of that are CLEARLY better then what we have. There are 4-6 other teams that are probably better but its close.

[Bleu Star]

Columbo was a bit of a problem last year IMO...Witten had to help out way too much.

Kosier got laid out several times too....and Gurode still knows how to wiff on his man.

Same thing with Flozell....he gets beat by speed too much.

While I think we are improved with Davis at Guard I do believe that we are not as great as the homers may say. You can see a homer a mile a way....they have been posting....Oh our Line is going to be dominant...awesome...lol...etc.etc.etc....Did they watch the games last year?

IMO I would say our line went from a 6.5 to a 7.25.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83606 post #32 there C.L. :rolleyes:

[Mansta54]

Columbo was a bit of a problem last year IMO...Witten had to help out way too much.

Kosier got laid out several times too....and Gurode still knows how to wiff on his man.

Same thing with Flozell....he gets beat by speed too much.

While I think we are improved with Davis at Guard I do believe that we are not as great as the homers may say. You can see a homer a mile a way....they have been posting....Oh our Line is going to be dominant...awesome...lol...etc.etc.etc....Did they watch the games last year?

IMO I would say our line went from a 6.5 to a 7.25.

That oline that you're talking about had us in the Top 10 in offense and Top 3 in scoring. Thats damn good for a offensive line. Every olinemen gets beat sometimes or flattened every now and then. Davis brings alot to this olinemen and Colombo will have another year under his belt. So yes, this oline can be very DOMINANT this year... You can't get those kind of numbers without a very good oline, it all starts up front....

[ZeroClub]

Sure, this isn't a perfect OL.

But it is likely to be the best OL that the Cowboys have had since Chan Gailey was head coach.

[Mansta54]

Sure, this isn't a perfect OL.

But it is likely to be the best OL that the Cowboys have had since Chan Gailey was head coach.


And possibly one of the best in the league this year.. This oline is BIG and PHYSICAL.....

[STSINAZ]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83606 post #32 there C.L. :rolleyes:

HOMER

[STSINAZ]

And possibly one of the best in the league this year.. This oline is BIG and PHYSICAL.....

HOMER

[STSINAZ]

That oline that you're talking about had us in the Top 10 in offense and Top 3 in scoring. Thats damn good for a offensive line. Every olinemen gets beat sometimes or flattened every now and then. Davis brings alot to this olinemen and Colombo will have another year under his belt. So yes, this oline can be very DOMINANT this year... You can't get those kind of numbers without a very good oline, it all starts up front....

WE COULDNT RUN THE BALL...THE NFC IS WEAK...take everything into account...tony romo was running for his life at the end of the year when the competition got better...bledsoe was getting laid out in the beginning.

[pgreptom]

Wow.

This is a horrible thread; such.. a negative outlook.

To all of you who think Witten's catches went down due to helping Colombo - quit copying what another moron said. Witten's catches went down due to the presence of 2 1,000 yard receivers - and 1 1,000 yard rusher. Colombo was a solid lineman - and had a nice, long streak of no sacks, and no holding calls.

Kosier is very serviceable, and will get better due to a season under his belt with Flo, and Guorde.

Davis and Colombo have me excited. I'm really looking forward to this year - because we honestly have the size/stregnth up front to run to the left, or the right - at will.

[Coakleys Dad]

i thought kosier was solid.. everybody that plays o-line gets blown up a play or two..everyone..

[STSINAZ]

Wow.

This is a horrible thread; such.. a negative outlook.

To all of you who think Witten's catches went down due to helping Colombo - quit copying what another moron said. Witten's catches went down due to the presence of 2 1,000 yard receivers - and 1 1,000 yard rusher. Colombo was a solid lineman - and had a nice, long streak of no sacks, and no holding calls.

Kosier is very serviceable, and will get better due to a season under his belt with Flo, and Guorde.

Davis and Colombo have me excited. I'm really looking forward to this year - because we honestly have the size/stregnth up front to run to the left, or the right - at will.


COLOMBO is an ok tackle but he is not great...Davis is going to do very well at guard....gurode will be good one week and then the next he will not...thats his history...go by the history dont go by the homerism...take those glasses off and you get REALITY....as far as Kosier...he got pushed back more than I would have liked to see....remember we couldnt run the ball when we needed to last year against good teams...dont forget that

[Jake0]

Now this is some trolling.

[Mansta54]

HOMER

Dude you're not worth the time. You're outlook and mission is OBVIOUS.. Have fun with whoever wants to debate with you. I've read several of you post and they're all consistently, NEGATIVE... :shootme:

[MichaelWinicki]

Columbo was a bit of a problem last year IMO...Witten had to help out way too much.

Kosier got laid out several times too....and Gurode still knows how to wiff on his man.

Same thing with Flozell....he gets beat by speed too much.

While I think we are improved with Davis at Guard I do believe that we are not as great as the homers may say. You can see a homer a mile a way....they have been posting....Oh our Line is going to be dominant...awesome...lol...etc.etc.etc....Did they watch the games last year?

IMO I would say our line went from a 6.5 to a 7.25.

I'm pretty pessimistic by nature but you have me beat by a wide margin.

The points scored by this offense prove that you're way over the edge.

The numbers that Rich shares with us prove that you've way over the edge.

The only real POS on the line was Rivera and he's gone now.

I suggest you do a rethink on this offense line stuff.

[Mansta54]

Now this is some trolling.


The guy is flatout RIDICULOUS!!!!

[Mansta54]

I'm pretty pessimistic by nature but you have me beat by a wide margin.

The points scored by this offense prove that you're way over the edge.

The numbers that Rich shares with us prove that you've way over the edge.

The only real POS on the line was Rivera and he's gone now.

I suggest you do a rethink on this offense line stuff.


He's clueless!!!

[STSINAZ]

they are reality...they are all not negative,,,i said davis would do well at guard

Flozell can handle things here and there but not always...just stating what is really going on and i am getting blasted...its funny truthfully

[the kid 05]

ok did you find out your girl left you 5 times for the line men? honestly why do you nagg on our o-line so bad?

[braw]

COLOMBO is an ok tackle but he is not great...Davis is going to do very well at guard....gurode will be good one week and then the next he will not...thats his history...go by the history dont go by the homerism...take those glasses off and you get REALITY....as far as Kosier...he got pushed back more than I would have liked to see....remember we couldnt run the ball when we needed to last year against good teams...dont forget that

Dude you have some serious issues........Look, its ok to stand up to your WIFE. You don't have to take out your frustration here. Serenity NOW.

[MichaelWinicki]

they are reality...they are all not negative,,,i said davis would do well at guard

Flozell can handle things here and there but not always...just stating what is really going on and i am getting blasted...its funny truthfully


It's because you don't know what's going on.


Your perception is so misconstrued at this point that you are causing these "blasting" issues yourself.

[03EBZ06]

they are reality...
Your reality is just a delusion that can only manifest itself in reality for others if it is accepted-or in this case ‘enabled’-by others, which others aren't so it is only reality to you while others see it as a delusional assessment.

[TEK2000]

I just wanna see if STS throws a temper tantrum and gets banned from another Cowboys forum. Stay on him guys... he'll flip out at some point.

[BigDFan5]

I guess if you are gonna be wrong, you might as well be wrong loudly!!

[Mansta54]

I just wanna see if STS throws a temper tantrum and gets banned from another Cowboys forum. Stay on him guys... he'll flip out at some point.

The thing is, he's just not worth the time..

[STSINAZ]

I just wanna see if STS throws a temper tantrum and gets banned from another Cowboys forum. Stay on him guys... he'll flip out at some point.

another wrong post...i banned myself from josh's forum...get is straight..i did it on purpose...they are the biggest homers over there..i got a kick out of it...would i do it here? not on your life...this is a great site...josh's is terrible...a bunch of wanna be homer for life stay positive and put your head under the covers so i cant see what is going on people....its like night and day in comparison to this site...

[MetalHead]

Dude you're not worth the time. You're outlook and mission is OBVIOUS.. Have fun with whoever wants to debate with you. I've read several of you post and they're all consistently, NEGATIVE... :shootme:


STSINAZ,Philo and TheProphet would like to welcome you to ride with them...
in the Short Bus.

[TEK2000]

another wrong post...i banned myself from josh's forum...get is straight..i did it on purpose...they are the biggest homers over there..i got a kick out of it...would i do it here? not on your life...this is a great site...josh's is terrible...a bunch of wanna be homer for life stay positive and put your head under the covers so i cant see what is going on people....its like night and day in comparison to this site...

:jerk: who cares. Everyone is disagreeing with you here so we all must be homers with our heads under the covers. All hail the great STS! :jerk:

You have a real problem giving credit for anything and a bigger problem accepting the fact that you're wrong.

Its really hilarious when people are calling you out on all the "MARK IT DOWN" statements you make and you wind up being completely wrong.

[BigDFan5]

:jerk: who cares. Everyone is disagreeing with you here so we all must be homers with our heads under the covers. All hail the great STS! :jerk:

You have a real problem giving credit for anything and a bigger problem accepting the fact that you're wrong.

Its really hilarious when people are calling you out on all the "MARK IT DOWN" statements you make and you wind up being completely wrong.

sad thing is he does not acknowledge the fact he was wrong, just changes the subject

[STSINAZ]

What am I wrong about? speaking reality? let's not get off the subject here...the NFC was weak last year, dont get excited about inflated numbers against weak teams...what happened when we played good teams? when it counted, when it mattered we couldnt pull it off!

[TEK2000]

You mean like when we beat the Super Bowl champions and only gave up 1 sack?

[the kid 05]

What am I wrong about? speaking reality? let's not get off the subject here...the NFC was weak last year, dont get excited about inflated numbers against weak teams...what happened when we played good teams? when it counted, when it mattered we couldnt pull it off!

wouldn't it be "speaking the truth?". and the NFC was weak in 03, since then it has become drastically stronger.

yeah good teams we couldn't beat them :rolleyes:

i'll argue with you more after i get home from work

[STSINAZ]

You mean like when we beat the Super Bowl champions and only gave up 1 sack?

that was good but they were faultering on defense at that time... in order to truely analyze something you have to look at the state of both teams...they couldnt do anything on defense at that point...they were too worried about the run to get a sack.

[TEK2000]

that was good but they were faultering on defense at that time... in order to truely analyze something you have to look at the state of both teams...they couldnt do anything on defense at that point...they were too worried about the run to get a sack.

You don't think our offensive line suffered from having to come from behind in all those games late in the season? That was the defense's fault and the offense was forced to be one dimensional (pass heavy) to try to catch back up... therefore, it makes it MUCH MUCH harder for the OLine because the defense knows they can just go all out on the pass rush and not worry about the run.

[STSINAZ]

if the O line was dominant we would have been able to run it down their throats from the get go...therefore keeping our defense off the field, thereby keeping them rested, thereby helping the whole situation...if you can run the ball you change the game...we couldnt, not like bp wanted to...why? ask yourself that? O LINE

[lspain1]

Our offensive line did have serious issues early in the season. With the addition of so many new parts, it was inevitable that was going to happen. I agree with STS to the extent that our guys wore down some late in the season. I believe the addition of Davis and hopefully the young guys maturing and improving will help that as well.

All of that being said, we are significantly better off than we were last season. Injuries, as always, can change that but for now we are improved. STS, what else do you want the Cowboys to do? They should target more OL depth in the draft and I expect that to happen.

[big dog cowboy]

STSINAZ - Did someone pee in your Wheaties this morning?

[TEK2000]

if the O line was dominant we would have been able to run it down their throats from the get go...therefore keeping our defense off the field, thereby keeping them rested, thereby helping the whole situation...if you can run the ball you change the game...we couldnt, not like bp wanted to...why? ask yourself that? O LINE

Nobody is arguing that bud.........

nobody has said the oline was dominant or even VERY good. The only things that's being said is that it was not AS BAD as you described and that we ARE BETTER by having picked up Davis and re-signing Colombo and Flozell being fully healthy to workout during the offseason.

[STSINAZ]

i see your points but there are some here saying we are dominant now...remember something else...we dont know what is going to happen with flozell's knee...there were some reports coming out of valley ranch that a few people are worried about it...kosier is just average too dont you agree? gurode was a one hit wonder...shoot he was almost off the team before last year...let's bring it down a notch thats all i am saying, until they SHOW US they can be good...yes davis will be good at guard...i agree, but colombo is just average right now...thats it...he needed alot help last year...go back and watch the games...there was a post about it too recently...the guy was right

[peplaw06]

STS how's that "BP is in, TO is out, and Key is back" working out for ya?

[STSINAZ]

TO could still be out....Key could still be back...so why dont you followup on that everyday until June and let me know how that goes for you.

[peplaw06]

TO could still be out....Key could still be back...so why dont you followup on that everyday until June and let me know how that goes for you.

:laugh2: :laugh2:

You are a special kind of delusional...

I'll admit TO *could* be out, but there's been no reliable indication that's going to happen. But Key coming back?? Without BP here??:laugh2:

[5Stars]

i see your points but there are some here saying we are dominant now...remember something else...we dont know what is going to happen with flozell's knee...there were some reports coming out of valley ranch that a few people are worried about it...kosier is just average too dont you agree? gurode was a one hit wonder...shoot he was almost off the team before last year...let's bring it down a notch thats all i am saying, until they SHOW US they can be good...yes davis will be good at guard...i agree, but colombo is just average right now...thats it...he needed alot help last year...go back and watch the games...there was a post about it too recently...the guy was right


This is what you sound like STSINAZ (what ever that name is)? :rolleyes:

:cry2: Jerry is not doing anything right! Waaa...waaaa...waaaa! I can see reality! I will hit or pinch you if you try and change my mind! waaa...waaaa!


:cry: Nobody is going to "change my mind"! I will hold my breath if if you try and make me....waa...waaa...waaa



:crawl: I'm 35 years old and I have been a Cowboy fan for 30 years, and I know everything. Jerry is a no good bum...ask my daddy! I promise, if you argue with me, I will hold my breath and cover my eyes so you can't see me! waaa....waaaa....waaaa

:cry2: Why can't Jerry do anything right? I want a better oline and I want it now...waaa....waaaa....waaaa! I will hold my breath, I promise you! Waaaa....waaaa.....MOMMA! Help me! waaaa....waaaaa



:rolleyes:

[TEK2000]

i see your points but there are some here saying we are dominant now...remember something else...we dont know what is going to happen with flozell's knee...there were some reports coming out of valley ranch that a few people are worried about it...kosier is just average too dont you agree? gurode was a one hit wonder...shoot he was almost off the team before last year...let's bring it down a notch thats all i am saying, until they SHOW US they can be good...yes davis will be good at guard...i agree, but colombo is just average right now...thats it...he needed alot help last year...go back and watch the games...there was a post about it too recently...the guy was right

I disagree. I've watched each game 2 or 3 times each by now.

Rivera was a tremendously weak link on the OLine. We missed a 3rd and 1 play because Rivera's man just pushed him aside like a ragdoll and collapsed the entire line where Barber was headed. There were numerous times he was pushed back into Romo's lap while Romo was trying to throw. Also look at the other times when Romo had to scramble because Rivera's man broke free. Remember how for a long time there Romo's passer rating was extremely high when he was throwing from OUTSIDE the pocket?... well he was outside the pocket because pressure was coming from up the middle and usually from Rivera's side.

Colombo is a GOOD RT. At 1 point in the season (AFTER the Giants game 1... Parcells said in his PC that Colombo had yet to give up a single sack all season). I honestly don't recall Colombo requiring a lot of help... consider the fact that ALL of the chop blocking penalties our RB's picked up were committed on the LEFT side of the line.. meaning they were helping our left side primarily. Add in the fact that Colombo did have to face some of the best pass rushers we faced (Peppers and Strahan) and it makes sense that he would need some help at times... but I never got the feeling we couldn't send Witten out in routes because Colombo was a liability.

Davis will be a very good RG.

Gurode is a GOOD center.. the problem he had previously is that they were trying to have him play Center and Guard and he wound up having trouble with the mental side of learning 2 positions from what I saw.

Kosier was a pretty good LG for us... the only times he really had any trouble were on DLine stunts (especially against Philly) because he has a tendency to put his face right on the person he's blocking and didn't see the stunting lineman.

Flozell was better later in the season than he was early on... this is entirely because of the knee injury. I don't recall seeing any reports of the Cowboys staff being concerned about his knee... where did you hear that? Flo's got a full offseason to get in shape and regain his strength that was lost when he couldn't workout because of the knee injury.

It only makes sense that we can afford to be optimistic about this oline. We KNOW who our starting LT and RT's are going to be heading into training camp... last year, they were both questions... heck everyone thought it would be Pettiti till he got cut. Even Center was a question mark between Gurode and Johnson. At least now we have ALL of the same players returning except 1... good teamwork is of utmost importance on the oline and that's tough to achieve when you're going to through linemen like its musical chair every season.

[STSINAZ]

why couldnt we run last year when it mattered then? julius could get no where,, on the left or right side?

[TEK2000]

why couldnt we run last year when it mattered then? julius could get no where,, on the left or right side?

We already talked about this STS. The oline wasn't GREAT but it wasn't absolutely AWFUL either.

[STSINAZ]

it was average at best, do we agree?

[Bleu Star]

HOMER

Here. Let me paste it again for you. Feel free to offer up your rebuttal chicken little.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83606 post #32 :rolleyes:

[Bleu Star]

This is what you sound like STSINAZ (what ever that name is)? :rolleyes:

:cry2: Jerry is not doing anything right! Waaa...waaaa...waaaa! I can see reality! I will hit or pinch you if you try and change my mind! waaa...waaaa!


:cry: Nobody is going to "change my mind"! I will hold my breath if if you try and make me....waa...waaa...waaa



:crawl: I'm 35 years old and I have been a Cowboy fan for 30 years, and I know everything. Jerry is a no good bum...ask my daddy! I promise, if you argue with me, I will hold my breath and cover my eyes so you can't see me! waaa....waaaa....waaaa

:cry2: Why can't Jerry do anything right? I want a better oline and I want it now...waaa....waaaa....waaaa! I will hold my breath, I promise you! Waaaa....waaaa.....MOMMA! Help me! waaaa....waaaaa



:rolleyes:

lol.. that pretty much sums this gloom and doomer up perfectly.

[Bleu Star]

STS how's that "BP is in, TO is out, and Key is back" working out for ya?

Not very well I would imagine. :lmao2:

[WoodysGirl]

it was average at best, do we agree?
If someone agrees with you, will it make you feel better?

Ok, they were average. Happy now?:rolleyes:

[TEK2000]

it was average at best, do we agree?

I guess I can agree with that. They were an OK offensive line.

But do you agree that we HAVE improved our OLine from last season quite a bit which is exactly why people are optimistic...?

[Beast_from_East]

Columbo was a bit of a problem last year IMO...Witten had to help out way too much.

Kosier got laid out several times too....and Gurode still knows how to wiff on his man.

Same thing with Flozell....he gets beat by speed too much.

While I think we are improved with Davis at Guard I do believe that we are not as great as the homers may say. You can see a homer a mile a way....they have been posting....Oh our Line is going to be dominant...awesome...lol...etc.etc.etc....Did they watch the games last year?

IMO I would say our line went from a 6.5 to a 7.25.

After reading your garbabe post about how bad Jerry Jones has screwed the team up...........YOU HAVE ZERO CREDIT WITH BEAST NOW.

[STSINAZ]

After reading your garbabe post about how bad Jerry Jones has screwed the team up...........YOU HAVE ZERO CREDIT WITH BEAST NOW.

WOW I GUESS I SHOULD JUST SIGNOFF AND QUIT POSTING! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL...THANKS FOR THE HATING

[5Stars]

WOW I GUESS I SHOULD JUST SIGNOFF AND QUIT POSTING! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL...THANKS FOR THE HATING


That might not be a bad idea...! Why torture yourself with an owner that you hate and say is ruining the Cowboys until he dies!

Go find a team with a good owner...you will be so much more happier and you won't have to break any more blood vessels in your big forehead for being so frustrated!

:rolleyes:

[Clove]

I'm gonna take a non homer approach if you will.

IMO, Flozell does have mental lapses, but for the most part, he keeps his guy in check. However, there are some games where Flozell completely gets us beaten. Problem is, we have to learn to adjust to that because we're not going to find 5 all world linemen.

How can we adjust?
We can start by swinging out to the running backs, draw plays to Flozells side, become better at screens, roll the pocket.

At times, we had problems with running behind Kosier and Kosier getting man handled by stronger tackles in the passing game. I do believe we can up grade this position, but it's not life threatening.
How do we work around Kosier when we can't run straight up behind him or he's getting pushed around by bigger stronger tackles?

How about pull him? Maybe run behind a FB when we're running to his side.
Gurode can help out when we play certain teams, and by all means, try running quicker passing plays.

Gurode only had problems with stunts and an occasional stunt blitz.
Rivera just kept getting pushed back, and that's not acceptable.

Columbo was very good IMO and he's going to get better.

So yeah we could upgrade Flozell, but don't make a mistake and downgrade thinking you're upgrading. The person needs to clearly be better. And Kosier is a solid guard, again, if you're going to upgrade, then go high in the draft or with a proven commodity.

Carry on folks. :)

[STSINAZ]

Not very well I would imagine. :lmao2:

SEEMS like you are really trying to get some validation with all of your numerous posts....not really trying to get to the crux of the matter...i am out

[5Stars]

i am out


You were "out" a long time ago...!

Find another team that suits you...

Everyone knows that the Boyz have not had a good team in awhile, but, there is no use in bawling about it over and over! If you care to look, this Cowboy team is getting better and better....

Or, you can suffer in your misery...that's up to you. But don't share your misery with us that have hope and can SEE that the team is going in the right direction...


;)

[Mansta54]

You were "out" a long time ago...!

Find another team that suits you...

Everyone knows that the Boyz have not had a good team in awhile, but, there is no use in bawling about it over and over! If you care to look, this Cowboy team is getting better and better....

Or, you can suffer in your misery...that's up to you. But don't share your misery with us that have hope and can SEE that the team is going in the right direction...


;)

:hammer:

[burmafrd]

now don't come back, here?

[silverbear]

As usual you are wrong. Witten/Fasano spent most of their time helping out the Hotel untill he got back into shape. They did not have to help Colombo much. Kosier was very solid later in the year once he got used to everybody and how they played. Gurode was solid as well. I would say with Davis we are maybe a top 10 line with room to improve(right at #10). Kosier will have another TC to get used to working with every one; and Columbo will have another offseason to get stronger- and he is still learning; remember he only has about 20-22 total starts. Davis will have to learn to work with Gurode and Colombo and that might take a few games- but he is an experienced pro and SHOULD do well.I could see this line maybe reaching as high at #7 or 8.

I don't like you, you don't like me, but this time, you're absolutely right...

I have to give credit where credit is due, anything less would be dishonest... well said...

Most of all, I look for the run blocking to be significantly better...

[silverbear]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83606 post #32 there C.L. :rolleyes:

Uhhh, why do you call STS "C.L."?? Is it some kind of inside joke??

[silverbear]

HOMER

Ahhh, seems you're trying to jack up your post count without actually having to say anything...

Once again, I am in awe of your ability to counterattack with reason and logic, devastating all who DARE disagree with you...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

[silverbear]

COLOMBO is an ok tackle but he is not great...Davis is going to do very well at guard....gurode will be good one week and then the next he will not...thats his history...go by the history dont go by the homerism...

So, it was "homerism" that put him in the Pro Bowl??

One wonders why those same homers didn't put EVERY Cowboy in the Pro Bowl, if they have so much juice as a voting bloc... LOL...

take those glasses off and you get REALITY....

What would YOU know about reality?? You throw that word around a lot, particularly for somebody who has never really demonstrated that he has even a basic grasp of the concept...

[silverbear]

they are reality...

No, they're your OPINION...

An opinion that is adequately rebutted by FACTS... facts like:

The Boys were 5th in the league in total offense...

The Boys were 5th in the league in yards per play...

The Boys were 2nd in the league in first downs per game...

The Boys were second in the league in third down conversion percentage...

You could look all these FACTS up for yourself, if you were REALLY interested in "reality"...

Meanwhile, you support your OPINIONS with... well, NOTHING...

If you truly like reality as much as you claim, you've just been served a heaping mound of it... chow down...

[silverbear]

I just wanna see if STS throws a temper tantrum and gets banned from another Cowboys forum. Stay on him guys... he'll flip out at some point.

I've caught his act on other boards too... you've got him pegged... LOL...

[silverbear]

another wrong post...i banned myself from josh's forum...get is straight..i did it on purpose...

No, you didn't... you got yourself banned, by virtue of the exact same behavior you're demonstrating in here...

*I* "banned myself" from that board, it was my personal choice... I can still post over there if I so choose, I'm still listed on the members list... but your name is nowhere to be found on that list, because you were banned by the powers that be, not by your own choice...

If you hadn't been banned, you'd still be over there, stirring the fecal matter...

they are the biggest homers over there..i got a kick out of it...would i do it here? not on your life...

And yet, here you are, pulling the EXACT SAME garbage you pulled over there... the ONLY reason you're still around is because the mods in here aren't as uptight as they are over there...

site...josh's is terrible...a bunch of wanna be homer for life stay positive and put your head under the covers so i cant see what is going on people....its like night and day in comparison to this site...

How curious, given the number of times today I've seen you call one or more of us "homers"...

[silverbear]

STSINAZ,Philo and TheProphet would like to welcome you to ride with them...
in the Short Bus.

You left out DallasCows5x, or whatever he calls himself... :D

[silverbear]

What am I wrong about? speaking reality? let's not get off the subject here...the NFC was weak last year, dont get excited about inflated numbers against weak teams...what happened when we played good teams? when it counted, when it mattered we couldnt pull it off!

Yeah, just ask the Colts...

[Alexander]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

You cannot get finer and more refined intellectual debate like this just anywhere.

[silverbear]

that was good but they were faultering on defense at that time... in order to truely analyze something you have to look at the state of both teams...

OK, let's do...

The Colts were undefeated when the Cowboys beat them... NOT a team that was "faultering" (I'm assuming you meant "faltering" there)...

Sounds like a team that was in a pretty good "state" at the time...

they couldnt do anything on defense at that point...

As for the Colts' struggles on defense, the week before they held the Bills to 16 points, and 162 yards of total offense...

Some "faltering"...

they were too worried about the run to get a sack.

ROTFLMAO... the Boys racked up an AWESOME 3.2 yards per carry against the Colts... their running game did nothing to scare Indy...

That enough "reality" for you, or do you need some more??

[silverbear]

STSINAZ - Did someone pee in your Wheaties this morning?

Naw, I'd wager he'd like that... he's actually like this all the flippin' time...

ALL the flippin' time...

[silverbear]

i see your points but there are some here saying we are dominant now...remember something else...we dont know what is going to happen with flozell's knee...there were some reports coming out of valley ranch that a few people are worried about it...

That's strange, I haven't seen any such "reports"...

You wouldn't be making stuff up here, would you?? :D

[silverbear]

TO could still be out....Key could still be back...so why dont you followup on that everyday until June and let me know how that goes for you.

Chuckle... first off, BP is out, so you were WRONG on that one...

I'd suggest that YOU get back to us if ANY of your predictions about TO and Key come to fruition...

Me, I'm predicting that you're gonna go 0 for 3 in your predictions... LOL...

[silverbear]

WOW I GUESS I SHOULD JUST SIGNOFF AND QUIT POSTING!

You've had worse ideas... after all, why would you WANT to hang out with all us "homers"??

In fact, this may be the ONLY good idea you've ever shared with us... I'd like to encourage you to go with your instincts on this one...

[silverbear]

You cannot get finer and more refined intellectual debate like this just anywhere.

Chuckle... point taken...

At the same time, Simon, don't they say that the key to communication is to put yourself on the listener's (in this case, the reader's) intellectual level??

[Bleu Star]

Uhhh, why do you call STS "C.L."?? Is it some kind of inside joke??

Well, after he showed us his proud self portrait (http://ryanduff.net/images/wordpress/chickenlittle.jpg) I couldn't help but call him by what he professes to be.

[STSINAZ]

Chuckle... first off, BP is out, so you were WRONG on that one...

I'd suggest that YOU get back to us if ANY of your predictions about TO and Key come to fruition...

Me, I'm predicting that you're gonna go 0 for 3 in your predictions... LOL...

silverbear you really need to get a life

[burmafrd]

you dont like me bear?
"sniffle"

[silverbear]

Well, after he showed us his proud self portrait (http://ryanduff.net/images/wordpress/chickenlittle.jpg) I couldn't help but call him by what he professes to be.

I shoulda been able to figure that out for myself, LOL...

[silverbear]

you dont like me bear?
"sniffle"

Hey, I like ya better than STSINAZ...

And Philo...

And TheProphet...

And SuperCows5x...

There might even be others in here I dislike more... :D

But I'll bet I'm in the top 2 or 3 on your feces list... it would be egotistical for me to claim the top spot... :D :D :D

[zrinkill]

Chuckle... first off, BP is out, so you were WRONG on that one...

I'd suggest that YOU get back to us if ANY of your predictions about TO and Key come to fruition...

Me, I'm predicting that you're gonna go 0 for 3 in your predictions... LOL...


Ohhhhh ...... this is the guy who said he would quite being a boys fan win T.O. signed .... then said Bill would be back, TO would be cut and Keyshawn would replace him ......

well that puts his post in perspective now .....thanks.

[silverbear]

silverbear you really need to get a life

If your definition of "getting a life" means being like YOU, I'll pass...

Never have aspired to be scorned by the majority of people I run into... I prefer to annoy only those who desperately deserve it...

But hey, thanks for caring... I'm deeply touched..

[burmafrd]

bear, your el stinko list prettymuch looks like mine. Notice you did not have the Mont there. Just an omission?

[zrinkill]

bear, your el stinko list prettymuch looks like mine.

Add Eduncan and BB and its mine ....

[STSINAZ]

Ohhhhh ...... this is the guy who said he would quite being a boys fan win T.O. signed .... then said Bill would be back, TO would be cut and Keyshawn would replace him ......

well that puts his post in perspective now .....thanks.

never said i would quit being a fan....

[STSINAZ]

If your definition of "getting a life" means being like YOU, I'll pass...

Never have aspired to be scorned by the majority of people I run into... I prefer to annoy only those who desperately deserve it...

But hey, thanks for caring... I'm deeply touched..

what are y ou talking about, you have annoyed everyone on here

[burmafrd]

yeah peashooter and the uneducated one are on my list as well.

[Cbz40]

I don't want any hurt feeling around here.....You're all on my list. :D

[burmafrd]

honored, cbz.

[zrinkill]

I don't want any hurt feeling around here.....You're all on my list. :D

Is it chizzled out on a stone tablet?

;)

[Cbz40]

honored, cbz.

I'll have to admit, You and your friends do make things interesting. ;):D

[McCordsville Cowboy]

COLOMBO is an ok tackle but he is not great...Davis is going to do very well at guard....gurode will be good one week and then the next he will not...thats his history...go by the history dont go by the homerism...take those glasses off and you get REALITY....as far as Kosier...he got pushed back more than I would have liked to see....remember we couldnt run the ball when we needed to last year against good teams...dont forget that


Thats why he is getting paid like an 'Ok' Tackle..

[Cbz40]

Is it chizzled out on a stone tablet?

;)

That dang rock is getting almost to heavy for me to lift....plus I'm running out of chizzles. :banghead::D

You guys have some fun!!!! What the hay!!!

[silverbear]

bear, your el stinko list prettymuch looks like mine. Notice you did not have the Mont there. Just an omission?

"The Mont"?? Sorry, you just lost me...

But somebody else mentioned bbgun, he certainly belongs on my list... the others rank higher than him, too...

[silverbear]

what are y ou talking about, you have annoyed everyone on here

Actually, a lot of folks like me in here... even a couple of the mods who issued infractions to me, you could tell it hurt them to do it...

They like me because I get in the faces of guys like you, and I have been known to be kinda comical while doing so... they like me because of my draft and free agent analyses, those few times when I wander from troll baiting...

Basically, they like me because they appreciate the sheer wonderfulness of me...

Meanwhile, I'll bet even your "allies", the other posters who are just about universally despised in here, don't like you either...

Every board I go to, some folks despise me, some folks like me... I'd actually say it's a bit more than 50-50, in my favor... heck, most of the boards wind up making me a moderator (though a coupla of them have come to their senses, and fired me, LOL), and on one of 'em, I finished second in the Poster of the Year voting last year... a distant second, and the winner deserved it... I voted for him, and could think of 2 or 3 who deserved it more than I did...

I feel sad for you, that you'll never, ever be one tenth as popular on these boards as I am... :D

[silverbear]

I don't want any hurt feeling around here.....You're all on my list. :D

If I wasn't, you'd be on MINE...

[Cbz40]

If I wasn't, you'd be on MINE...

No worry bear you made mine years ago!!!!!! :laugh2:

Your GROWL is priceless..... :D

[burmafrd]

MONT17, bear.

[STSINAZ]

Actually, a lot of folks like me in here... even a couple of the mods who issued infractions to me, you could tell it hurt them to do it...

They like me because I get in the faces of guys like you, and I have been known to be kinda comical while doing so... they like me because of my draft and free agent analyses, those few times when I wander from troll baiting...

Basically, they like me because they appreciate the sheer wonderfulness of me...

Meanwhile, I'll bet even your "allies", the other posters who are just about universally despised in here, don't like you either...

Every board I go to, some folks despise me, some folks like me... I'd actually say it's a bit more than 50-50, in my favor... heck, most of the boards wind up making me a moderator (though a coupla of them have come to their senses, and fired me, LOL), and on one of 'em, I finished second in the Poster of the Year voting last year... a distant second, and the winner deserved it... I voted for him, and could think of 2 or 3 who deserved it more than I did...

I feel sad for you, that you'll never, ever be one tenth as popular on these boards as I am... :D

man you are my hero....lol

[silverbear]

No worry bear you made mine years ago!!!!!! :laugh2:

Your GROWL is priceless..... :D

That's more like it... ;)

[silverbear]

MONT17, bear.

I guess I was being obtuse... shoulda been able to figure that one out, too...

Mont17 never really bothered me all that much... don't recall having any major arguments with him, though of course with me, it's always possible-- I've even been known to argue with the guys I really like in here... most recently, it was Bob Sacamano/SummerisFunner and me arguing about our offensive line...

[silverbear]

man you are my hero....lol

Well, of course I am... as I should be...

[bbgun]

yeah peashooter and the uneducated one are on my list as well.

Oh no! What ever will I do without your friendship?? Thrive, I guess.

[5Stars]

Oh no! What ever will I do without your friendship?? Thrive, I guess.


:lmao2:

[ringmaster]

I guess I was being obtuse... shoulda been able to figure that one out, too...

Mont17 never really bothered me all that much... don't recall having any major arguments with him, though of course with me, it's always possible-- I've even been known to argue with the guys I really like in here... most recently, it was Bob Sacamano/SummerisFunner and me arguing about our offensive line... You can also add Fernando Fernandez, to this list as well as an annoying fan he's the reason I got an infraction once with his unrealistic bickering.

[ringmaster]

:hammer: I too like the o-line for this upcoming season it has the chance to be stellar with Adams, Kosier, Gurode, Davis, and Colombo if all can become a cohesive unit and play to the potential all of us fans hope.

Colombo, was a pleseant surprise last season he made a believer outta me in the Panthers game,when he kept Julius Peppers, in check when I thought Romo, was going to leave in a body bag after the game Marc, played with some intensity I didn't know he had.

[ringmaster]

COLOMBO is an ok tackle but he is not great...Davis is going to do very well at guard....gurode will be good one week and then the next he will not...thats his history...go by the history dont go by the homerism...take those glasses off and you get REALITY....as far as Kosier...he got pushed back more than I would have liked to see....remember we couldnt run the ball when we needed to last year against good teams...dont forget that Let me ask you this did you see in the Panthers game, where Colombo, kept Peppers in check as I recall he may of had like 2 tackles, and no sacks in which at the time was the league leader in sacks.

Anyone who can keep one of the NFL's most disruptive players in check for most of the game is an above average player in my book.

[STSINAZ]

Let me ask you this did you see in the Panthers game, where Colombo, kept Peppers in check as I recall he may of had like 2 tackles, and no sacks in which at the time was the league leader in sacks.

Anyone who can keep one of the NFL's most disruptive players in check for most of the game is an above average player in my book.

I also rewatched the falcons game the other night and Columbo looked pretty good in that game too. Rivera was the one who was getting killed. I think if Columbo did this in EVERY game then he would get a higher rating from most. We dont know how all this will play out with his previous injury. He may be ok or it may go the other way. There are alot of things up in the air right now as far as him and the line in general. I did think I would see Davis playing a little better than what I saw in the clips that were posted when we played them. At least in the run game but I didnt see it. He was average. Let's hope we havent overrated him at the guard position.

[BigDFan5]

Columbo was a bit of a problem last year IMO...Witten had to help out way too much.

Kosier got laid out several times too....and Gurode still knows how to wiff on his man.

Same thing with Flozell....he gets beat by speed too much.

While I think we are improved with Davis at Guard I do believe that we are not as great as the homers may say. You can see a homer a mile a way....they have been posting....Oh our Line is going to be dominant...awesome...lol...etc.etc.etc....Did they watch the games last year?

IMO I would say our line went from a 6.5 to a 7.25.


Archives are hilarious :lmao2:

[dargonking999]

Archives are hilarious :lmao2:


Yea they really are.

but please stop scaring me like that!!!! I was trying to figure out how in less than 5 minutes a 2 page thread just appeared

[bobtheflob]

Ok, all these old threads about Davis are getting a little excessive.

[03EBZ06]

IDK, I think it's pretty funny. :D

[BigDFan5]

Ok, all these old threads about Davis are getting a little excessive.


They were bumped for different reasons, this one was bumped because of how bad our line was supposed to be




http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82960

The one above was bumped because of him talking about Davis possible signing




http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83111

This one was about him making such a huge deal saying he was going to be a RT and we were all dumb not to believe it




http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83172


This was his "I told you so post" saying Davis would play RT and we would not resign Colombo




http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99058

Had nothing to do with Davis lol

[morieeel]

Can you archive any "Romo is not the answer" threads????
:packers:

[BigDFan5]

Can you archive any "Romo is not the answer" threads????
:packers:


LOL! there are to many of those, i tried a search and the search engine broke lol

[STSINAZ]

dude what i said may still happen...jerry just said the other day he may move davis to LT and if that happens we are all in trouble...please dont act like there is not truth to it...he said it out of his own mouth! now he didnt do it this year but it is a strong possibility for next year!

[peplaw06]

dude what i said may still happen...jerry just said the other day he may move davis to LT and if that happens we are all in trouble...please dont act like there is not truth to it...he said it out of his own mouth! now he didnt do it this year but it is a strong possibility for next year!You should really just stop posting. Better to be silent and have people think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

[STSINAZ]

You should really just stop posting. Better to be silent and have people think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

are you serious?

[BigDFan5]

dude what i said may still happen...



So there is still a possibility that Davis starts this season at RT?

[zrinkill]

are you serious?
Yes ......