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stag hunter
09-21-2004, 12:41 PM
No article, just saw it on ESPN2. Not sure if it's because of Brunell's performance or his injury, probably a combination of both.

JBRockBottom31
09-21-2004, 12:51 PM
Why would it be because of Brunell's performance????? Ramsey threw 3 INTS last week!

Champsheart
09-21-2004, 12:52 PM
No article, just saw it on ESPN2. Not sure if it's because of Brunell's performance or his injury, probably a combination of both.

Hopefully we smack him around like we did last year.

Portland Fanatic
09-21-2004, 01:07 PM
Pin the ears back boys...Wiley let's see what you have. If he does not get in Ramsey's face all game long with at least one sack...I will be calling for Ekubust. :eek:

I've sat back and not said much waiting for him to step up...go do it Wiley.

Skeptic
09-21-2004, 01:11 PM
Sweeeeeeet.

This is gonna be waaaay more fun than I thought a week ago.

2-1 here we come.

Everlastingxxx
09-21-2004, 01:12 PM
Cowboys own Ramsey...Redskins have a serious game on their hands.

jacs
09-21-2004, 01:24 PM
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Wheat
09-21-2004, 01:34 PM
isn't Ramsey 1-1 against Dallas? I wouldn't call that "owned"

But he's not mobile. Get in his face and force mistakes. Stop the run 1st, then get in his face.

Sportsbabe
09-21-2004, 01:35 PM
I preferred Brunnell, the slower, older, gimpier of the 2. Ramsey will get better protection this year. He'll have a week to prepare under Gibbs. The boy can sling it if given the opportunity. Let's just hope, that his confidence is shattered like some have reported.

RCowboyFan
09-21-2004, 01:39 PM
isn't Ramsey 1-1 against Dallas? I wouldn't call that "owned"

But he's not mobile. Get in his face and force mistakes. Stop the run 1st, then get in his face.


Hmm... The one win was against Hapless Dave Campo last coached game. Even that seemed like Skins were afraid to win that one. Especially considering how bad Cowboys offense looked at time.

Although, Bryant made Smoot his Female Dog that Day :D

Personally I thought Ramsey looked good starting last season. He was just beaten to submission basically by every team, thats all.

But I wouldn't chalk it up to win that confidently, like some fans seem to think if Ramsey starts. Just because Joe Gibbs is at helm, I think it wont be that easy of win.

InmanRoshi
09-21-2004, 01:40 PM
I would have rather faced Brunell too. Brunnel is pretty mediocre all the way around these days, but Ramsey strikes me as a sleeping giant. Unlike Brunnell, we have to respect Ramsey's arm, which will keep our safeties back. Ramsey can be rattled if we get in his face, but I don't trust our pass rush using our front 4 and Gibbs is going to max protect with backs and tight ends around the edges. We need a big day from LeRoi. We can't blitz too much because it leaves us vulnerable to a 60 yard Portis run.

Wheat
09-21-2004, 01:42 PM
and his loss last year was while playing with a broken bone in his foot from before the season started........ and against a hapless Steve Spurrier team that already packed it in.


Look, Ramsey isn't ready. He's clearly off.... that might be shell shock from getting his *** kicked last year. I don't know. They need to just stick with the run as much as possible I think......and stop throwing to Rod Gardner. If he caught just 1 of the many passes he dropped on sunday.... we might of won.

InmanRoshi
09-21-2004, 01:45 PM
In other injury news, Phillip Daniels is out, which makes it an easier night for Torrin Tucker.

Wheat
09-21-2004, 01:45 PM
and I don't know who our RT will be.

Banged up early.

dbair1967
09-21-2004, 01:51 PM
I guess I might be in the minority on this too, but I would have been more confident in our defense vs Brunell...Ramsey did throw 3 picks last week, but Brunell has been getting just about all the practice time so far...Ramsey had several balls dropped that shouldnt have been...Ramsey has a MUCH stronger arm, once Brinell came out of the game you could see the Redskins begin attacking downfield more, Brunell really wasnt a threat to throw downfield with any accuracy...

Ramsey will be getting a crash course this week from a bigtime coach, not from that boob Spurrier. Frankly I'll be surprised if he plays poorly.

David

Wheat
09-21-2004, 01:52 PM
you have more faith in Ramsey than I do. I think he needs to be de-programmed and re-programmed on how to play QB in the NFL. Maybe if the this were the 2nd meeting, later this year. I would feel better.

Hopefully we have success running the ball....to see up the pass.

Portland Fanatic
09-21-2004, 01:54 PM
I guess I might be in the minority on this too, but I would have been more confident in our defense vs Brunell...Ramsey did throw 3 picks last week, but Brunell has been getting just about all the practice time so far...Ramsey had several balls dropped that shouldnt have been...Ramsey has a MUCH stronger arm, once Brinell came out of the game you could see the Redskins begin attacking downfield more, Brunell really wasnt a threat to throw downfield with any accuracy...

Ramsey will be getting a crash course this week from a bigtime coach, not from that boob Spurrier. Frankly I'll be surprised if he plays poorly.

David

With Ramsey it's not about talent...it's about his impulse decisions. We had a guy like that once...Hmmm. :cool:

dbair1967
09-21-2004, 01:55 PM
you have more faith in Ramsey than I do. I think he needs to be de-programmed and re-programmed on how to play QB in the NFL. Maybe if the this were the 2nd meeting, later this year. I would feel better.

Hopefully we have success running the ball....to see up the pass.

not many people better for deprogramming and reprogramming than Joe Gibbs...

again, I'll be very surprised if Ramsey plays poorly. he may not throw for 400 yds and 5 tds, but he wouldnt have missed some of the deep ones that Garcia missed on us this past sunday either...we played better defense than on opening day, but the Browns did miss a few things they could have had...

David

Wheat
09-21-2004, 01:57 PM
I think Gibbs will have a positive impact in the long run. But as Skins fans....we are selfish and want things fixed right away. That's not realistic. Except with Dallas, even the Tuna had to go through his tough year with a new team, before he could get his system fully installed and running smoothly.

I have all the confidence in the world in Joe Gibbs. But it takes time.

The Curly One
09-21-2004, 02:11 PM
The reason he has been doing poorly is because he has virtually no protection. Give him some protection and he will tear you up. Their offensive line sucked so bad last year that even Ekuban got a sack on him.
Steve Spurrier did not help any, they could not get a first down most all game and Spurrier went for it on fourth down with 6 or 7 yards to go. Ramsey had defenders all over him as soon as he got the ball and dumped it off, that moron Spurrier started yelling at Ramsey. That was one fine display of stupidity.
I like Joe Gibbs and I think it will take a few years but I beleive he and Ramsey may be good before long. Ramsey is definatly tough and has an arm, do not give him any time or you will get burned. I was very impressed with him last year inspite of the poor play of the rest of the team. Gibbs probably will not make the same mistakes. Curly

Everlastingxxx
09-21-2004, 02:44 PM
Ramsey? haha, ok we are 2-1...who does the Cowboys play after the bye?

...kidding btw.

Midswat
09-21-2004, 02:54 PM
Ramsey starting isn't that much of a talent letdown from Brunell.

I think we will benefit most from Phillip Daniels being out of the line-up.

He's not all world or anything, but I noticed the Redskins defense played a lot worse once he left the game.

Not sure if it was a coincidence or not.

Sportsbabe
09-21-2004, 03:14 PM
I would have rather faced Brunell too. Brunnel is pretty mediocre all the way around these days, but Ramsey strikes me as a sleeping giant. Unlike Brunnell, we have to respect Ramsey's arm, which will keep our safeties back. Ramsey can be rattled if we get in his face, but I don't trust our pass rush using our front 4 and Gibbs is going to max protect with backs and tight ends around the edges. We need a big day from LeRoi. We can't blitz too much because it leaves us vulnerable to a 60 yard Portis run.

Exactly Roshi. This is not a Steve Superior offense. PRam has some raw talen (IMO).

Your comment about LeRoi is on point, because Lord knows we can't depend on MWiley for nothing (thus far).

Sportsbabe
09-21-2004, 03:25 PM
In other injury news, Phillip Daniels is out, which makes it an easier night for Torrin Tucker.

Great news. I'm not a proponent of player injuries, but, if it gives us an advantage, I'm not going to cry about it :D . I'll send them a get well card and battle with the next guy (who should be of lesser talent :) )

Chuck 54
09-21-2004, 03:25 PM
If we win it will be because we're better, not because of Ramsey...he's a tough, solid young QB. You can bet your butt that Gibbs will tailor this week's game plan to Ramsey and his strengths....last week he had to execute the plan for Brunnell....Gibbs will protect him early to build confidence and create a rhythm...and I don't mean just protect him in pass protection...I mean protect him by calling safe, low risk plays.

Boy's fan in Giant land
09-21-2004, 03:32 PM
Personally, I thought Ramsey looked better than Carter last year. Yes, he's capable of having a bad game, but he's also capable of having a good one.
Just having Portis back there with him is a MAJOR upgrade from last year. After going thru a solid week of getting all the snaps, compared to going in cold after having received a minimal amount this YTD, the worst thing we could do is underestimate this kid.

InmanRoshi
09-21-2004, 03:41 PM
Daniels replacement is former Cowboy Demetric Evans. Redskins are going to have to blitz their LB's like crazy. Witten should have the middle of the field all to himself.

RedLine
09-21-2004, 04:51 PM
Ramsey
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Chuck 54
09-21-2004, 05:25 PM
Ramsey
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^5....nice one.

Nerm
09-21-2004, 05:33 PM
Both guys have their positives and negatives. Brunell seems to be the better all around QB, but with him you could play the Skins the way Dallas just played Garcia. You don't have to worry about the deep ball as much so you can keep everyone closer to the line. It makes it much harder for them to grind out yards. On the other hand, Ramsey will burn you deep, but he has problems if there is pressure on him. He has a little Hutch in him. It looks like he doesn't know when to get rid of the ball until it is too late. He takes sacks and makes desperation throws when he doesn't have to. My guess is that the Redskins O (including Portis) AND the Dallas D will both have more big plays if Ramsey plays. I don’t know which player I would rather see start for the Skins. I guess Ramsey, if for no other reason then because Gibbs wants Brunell.

It should be interesting. I wish the game was in Dallas though.

Sportsbabe
09-21-2004, 05:50 PM
I don’t know which player I would rather see start for the Skins. I guess Ramsey, if for no other reason then because Gibbs wants Brunell.

Oh snap Nerm!!! That's a good point. Makes you wanna say uuhhhmmm???

32BellyOption
09-21-2004, 06:44 PM
I would rather face Brunell personally. He's rather immobile in his old age.

Om
09-21-2004, 07:11 PM
Don't know which is more amusing, Cowboy fan overconfidence or Bufford's energetic white flag waving. :)

Hostile
09-21-2004, 07:45 PM
Don't know which is more amusing, Cowboy fan overconfidence or Bufford's energetic white flag waving. :)
The flag waving, by far. :)

Mash
09-21-2004, 07:46 PM
We probally would of praised Ramsey like no other if he played for the Boys. Spurrier really hurt his developement. He has all the tools to be a successfull QB in this league.

Brunell is washed up and like Bledsoe....doesn't move like he used to. His arm looks alot weaker also.

Let me face Brunell any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

We always struggle with backup QB's.....Its a Zimmer and Campo special.

Backup comes in = play prevent

Hostile
09-21-2004, 07:48 PM
We probally would of praised Ramsey like no other if he played for the Boys. Spurrier really hurt his developement. He has all the tools to be a successfull QB in this league.

Brunell is washed up and like Bledsoe....doesn't move like he used to. His arm looks alot weaker also.

Let me face Brunell any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

We always struggle with backup QB's.....Its a Zimmer and Campo special.

Backup comes in = play prevent
I totally agree with you Mash.

Ramsey earned my respect the last time we played. He took a serious beating and kept getting up.

Toughness is one thing you will forgive in a player.

MikeD17
09-21-2004, 08:57 PM
We will this game if testerverde doesnt blow it like he almost did last week


We should run the ball to death this game and keep the game out of vinny's hands , i dont want to see this bum throw another 3 picks out of 5 passes again


how awful is that

LaTunaNostra
09-21-2004, 09:02 PM
We will this game if testerverde doesnt blow it like he almost did last week


We should run the ball to death this game and keep the game out of vinny's hands , i dont want to see this bum throw another 3 picks out of 5 passes again


how awful is that

Geez Mike, it was 3 out of 6.

MikeD17
09-21-2004, 09:06 PM
no latuna 3 out of 5...


la tuna ...dont be angry with me .....I like you

LaTunaNostra
09-21-2004, 09:12 PM
no latuna 3 out of 5...


la tuna ...dont be angry with me .....I like you
Mike, what makes you think I'm angry?

Because you belittle Jerry and Tuna, call Terry a wuss, and wont t give Vinnie the benefit of the doubt you were always so willing to give Quincy?

Because your predictions of 8-8 are as likely to come true as your prediction that Vinnie was so old he'd be injured by the end of preseason? Well, he got out of preseason alive, didn't he?

I think it's freaking hilarious.

Just like it will be seeing you twist and squirm when Vin leads us to the playoffs. :D

Tuna Helper
09-21-2004, 09:18 PM
I don't care who starts for the Skins. All I want is a Cowboys win.

MikeD17
09-21-2004, 09:24 PM
I would never belittle Jerry Jones the best owner in football and Bill parcells born and bred in Jersey and the best coach in the league.


I just dont Like Vinny as the qb of this team ..

I stand by my 8-8 prediction ....


Latuna ..I respect your views , mine are just different.


I told you im growing in respect for terry glenn, not many people could of made that catch he made ....that was sickness ...might be the best catch I ever seen

Tio
09-21-2004, 09:25 PM
We will this game if testerverde doesnt blow it like he almost did last week


We should run the ball to death this game and keep the game out of vinny's hands , i dont want to see this bum throw another 3 picks out of 5 passes again


how awful is thatAlmost as sad as carters performances last year...

MikeD17
09-21-2004, 09:30 PM
Carter is a better Qb Hands down