Linebackers are still key baby!

[Banned_n_austin]

You saw it with your own eyes on Sunday.

You saw two key plays made by the linebackers of the Dallas Cowboys.

4th and 2?

Punt the ball, right?

Nah, direct snap to Coakely to pick up the first down and then some.

That's key.

Get off Dex's back everybody!

Dat's interception..

How bout' them apples?

Say what you want about our LB's, but they are key to this team and will continue to be throughout the season.

As the saying goes: "Big players make big plays at big moments".

I'd say Dat and Dex are big players.

[Portland Fanatic]

You saw it with your own eyes on Sunday.

You saw two key plays made by the linebackers of the Dallas Cowboys.

4th and 2?

Punt the ball, right?

Nah, direct snap to Coakely to pick up the first down and then some.

That's key.

Get off Dex's back everybody!

Dat's interception..

How bout' them apples?

Say what you want about our LB's, but they are key to this team and will continue to be throughout the season.

As the saying goes: "Big players make big plays at big moments".

I'd say Dat and Dex are big players.

It's nice to know that our LB's core and TE core are very solid and consistant. Dat, Dex, Singleton, Bradie...all studs.

[Banned_n_austin]

It's nice to know that our LB's core and TE core are very solid and consistant. Dat, Dex, Singleton, Bradie...all studs.

Yeah they are. And there is depth there too. Something I am wishing we had at the safety position right about now.

[Midswat]

I agree.

Linebackers are the middle men of any defense, and the benefits of having a quality corps of backers can't be underestimated.

Right now, I think we have a decent group of linebackers, however I'm rather unimpressed with the play of Al Singleton.

I just never see him do anything.

And that is key.

Or something like that . . .

[Banned_n_austin]

I agree.

Linebackers are the middle men of any defense, and the benefits of having a quality corps of backers can't be underestimated.



Now, If I could only figure out what Midswat meant...

[Midswat]

Now, If I could only figure out what Midswat meant...


I didn't really mean anything . . . I just wanted to bold some stuff.

Nothing to see here . . . move along . . .

[junk]

Nice use of the bold, boys.

Seriously though, I don't think Singleton gets enough credit. He is not flashy, but if far from a liability. He is a definite defensive team leader.

Other than Mitchell, look at all the FA signings in Bill's first year. Richie, Campbell, Singleton. All vet leaders. None of them are flashy, but all of them are solid football players.

[Nors]

Singleton has to go.............

[Midswat]

Singleton has to go.............


Well . . . that convinces me.

Al Singleton for Defensive MVP . . .

[Hostile]

Singleton has to go.............
Singleton is our biggest starting LB. :rolleyes:

[LaTunaNostra]

Singleton is our biggest starting LB. :rolleyes:
Ha, and I guess in addition he's the "containment" specialist.

Tuna seems to think he's done well, tackle total and all.

But size does matter with Bill. :rolleyes:

[MichaelWinicki]

Singleton is our biggest starting LB. :rolleyes:


But you know linebackers have never been THE "key" for any mainstay Dallas defense I can remember... ever. It's always been about the d-line and the secondary. And truthfully I still think it's that way no matter what some others like Nors believe (and no I'm not ripping you Ben... I agree that we do have some decent linebackers on this squad) but ultimately it will be the d-line and secondary that determine our ultimate fate as a defenense this year.

[Hostile]

But you know linebackers have never been THE "key" for any mainstay Dallas defense I can remember... ever. It's always been about the d-line and the secondary. And truthfully I still think it's that way no matter what some others like Nors believe (and no I'm not ripping you Ben... I agree that we do have some decent linebackers on this squad) but ultimately it will be the d-line and secondary that determine our ultimate fate as a defenense this year.
Have you noticed that Antrel Rolle and D-line are already the main discussions for draft in 2005?

It should be a wake up call, but it appears to be little more than a blip on the radar screen.

[junk]

Singleton is our biggest starting LB. :rolleyes:

My first thought when I read the original quote. What is the hurry to replace a relatively young (28,29?) defensive team leader? Sure, if a great prospect falls in your lap, but you don't go replacing players just to "get bigger". Doesn't always mean better. Urlacher is bigger than Dat. Urlacher can't stay healthy. Who's better?

[Waffle]

Singleton has to go.............
......to where? Moronic statements like this discredit the valid opinions you share with us on occasion. :rolleyes:

[Nors]

Singleton is our biggest starting LB. :rolleyes:


http://www.dallascowboys.com/team.cfm


Singleton at 228 is the lightest LB on our roster. There goes your perfect record.

Dat 243
BJ 243
DC 236
KO 230
SS 245
KT 245

[Hostile]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team.cfm


Singleton at 228 is the lightest LB on our roster. There goes your perfect record.

Dat 243
BJ 243
DC 236
KO 230
SS 245
KT 245
Try 6'2 vs. Coakley at 5'10" and Dat at 5'11"

Parcells affection for size has more to do with height than weight. If it was about weight why would he be concerned about Dat's weight?

Perfect record still intact. :D

[Nors]

Try 6'2 vs. Coakley at 5'10" and Dat at 5'11"

Parcells affection for size has more to do with height than weight. If it was about weight why would he be concerned about Dat's weight?

Perfect record still intact. :D

Singleton is a small linebacker. 228 is anemic, Bradie James is 6-2 as is Shanle and Thornton is 6-3.

You are dead wrong - He is not the biggest LB on the team in height or weight. In fact he's 7 pounds lighter than our FS.

If you believe Al Singleton is the biggest LB on our team, your record is intact.

[Waffle]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team.cfm


Singleton at 228 is the lightest LB on our roster. There goes your perfect record.

Dat 243
BJ 243
DC 236
KO 230
SS 245
KT 245
What's your point? Because he isn't a "biscuit away from being a lineman," he's gotta go?? :confused:

[Nors]

What's your point? Because he isn't a "biscuit away from being a lineman," he's gotta go?? :confused:


Doesn't produce too much - at 228 he is a stop gap player on this team that needs upgrade. Dat at what 245 is a All Pro type Force. James is taking Coaks job in time. Time to get big, not tall and skinny as per Hos.

We have bigger, taller, younger, heavier LB's like Shanle, Thornton in the wings.

[Waffle]

Doesn't produce too much - at 228 he is a stop gap player on this team that needs upgrade. Dat at what 245 is a All Pro type Force. James is taking Coaks job in time. Time to get big, not tall and skinny as per Hos.

We have bigger, taller, younger, heavier LB's like Shanle, Thornton in the wings.
If he's "stop gap", then why has Bill said on numerous occasions that Singleton's a player "he doesn't have to worry about"? I remember him returning an INT for a TD last season, and you don't hear about him missing coverages or tackles, do you? Funny how HE'S not the one sharing time w/ James.

Is he an All-Pro force out there...no. I grant you that. But I think we all know why you are anti-Singleton. It's because his size doesn't translate into a 3-4 type of LB. Just admit it! ;)

[Nors]

If he's "stop gap", then why has Bill said on numerous occasions that Singleton's a player "he doesn't have to worry about"? I remember him returning an INT for a TD last season, and you don't hear about him missing coverages or tackles, do you? Funny how HE'S not the one sharing time w/ James.

Is he an All-Pro force out there...no. I grant you that. But I think we all know why you are anti-Singleton. It's because his size doesn't translate into a 3-4 type of LB. Just admit it! ;)

I only stated that Al was our lightest LB on the roster.

You said 3-4. Not me.

[Waffle]

I only stated that Al was our lightest LB on the roster.

You said 3-4. Not me.
:D Ok...I said it. But you know you were "thinking it."

[Nors]

:D Ok...I said it. But you know you were "thinking it."

I wasn't actually!

[Hostile]

Singleton is a small linebacker. 228 is anemic, Bradie James is 6-2 as is Shanle and Thornton is 6-3.

You are dead wrong - He is not the biggest LB on the team in height or weight. In fact he's 7 pounds lighter than our FS.

If you believe Al Singleton is the biggest LB on our team, your record is intact.
Go back and read my post Nors. I said he was our biggest STARTING LB. and I was talking about height as does Parcells. He said he did not like midget LBs. That has to do with height or do you need me to get a Dictionary to prove it?

[Hostile]

Doesn't produce too much - at 228 he is a stop gap player on this team that needs upgrade. Dat at what 245 is a All Pro type Force. James is taking Coaks job in time. Time to get big, not tall and skinny as per Hos.

We have bigger, taller, younger, heavier LB's like Shanle, Thornton in the wings.
You're putting words into my mouth again. I never said we needed to change anything about our LBs so I definitely didn't say we needed to get tall and skinny. Did I?

Let me know if this is too hard for you.








Is speed reading any good with zero comprehension? :D

[junk]

You're putting words into my mouth again. I never said we needed to change anything about our LBs so I definitely didn't say we needed to get tall and skinny. Did I?

Let me know if this is too hard for you.








Is speed reading any good with zero comprehension? :D

Ha.

Speaking of James, he has played like crap in my opinion. Looked like they jerked him in Minny because they kept running at him successfully. Hopefully, it is just because of inexperience, but I really feel more comfortable with Coakley in there.

Singleton is solid. If a chance for a significant upgrade comes along, I am sure Dallas will take it. I doubt they are sitting around fretting about it though.

[Nors]

Go back and read my post Nors. I said he was our biggest STARTING LB. and I was talking about height as does Parcells. He said he did not like midget LBs. That has to do with height or do you need me to get a Dictionary to prove it?

245 pound ILB - Parcells loves him

Dexter is old and getting replaced by Big Bradie James/


Al S is what he is an average aging LB, Just another small 228 pound linebacker. That aint big in any book.

Tall, skinny maybe

[zack]

That was a classic Coakley play. It seems that he has done that so many times before. What else can you say about Dat? He started off slow, but I think he is ready to resume his form from last season.

[Hostile]

245 pound ILB - Parcells loves him

Dexter is old and getting replaced by Big Bradie James/


Al S is what he is an average aging LB, Just another small 228 pound linebacker. That aint big in any book.

Tall, skinny maybe
You love to ignore the facts don't you?

Fact 1, Parcells said he was not enamored with "midget" LBs and wanted to get bigger.

Fact 2, "midget" has to do with height, not weight.

Fact 3, Al Singleton is the tallest starting LB on this team. Thereby, using Parcells definition of big LB he is the biggest starting LB on the team.

Fact 4, Dat Nguyen weighed 243 pounds and bench pressed 500 pounds before Parcells arrived. He has not suddenly exploded in size. Parcells still considered him "small," therefore he was not talking about weight at all. He loves him after the way he played last year. He wasn't all that excited about him before the man played for him. Don't try to spin history.

Fact 5, how you define big doesn't equal how Parcells does. Period.

Fact 6, Coakley is still the starting LB and I never said anything about the backups. I prefer James. You're grasping at straws to come up with anythign to make a point and are failing miserably.

Fact 7, you never took back your contention I prefer tall, skinny LBs even though I shot that crap down in flames. Take a good hard look at Lance Mitchell, LB from OU and his size. That is the LB I want us to draft in the 2nd round. Doe she fit your accusations towards me? Find the posts where I advocate Bradie James over Coakley. Do they sound like I am more interested in tall, skinny LBs?

You shot your mouth off without knowing a single fact or even asking me what I prefer. On top of this you showed little to know reading comprehension at all abotu what I said to begin with.

Not that I am all that surprised by this. Seems to be a broken record. :rolleyes:

[junk]

245 pound ILB - Parcells loves him

Dexter is old and getting replaced by Big Bradie James/


Al S is what he is an average aging LB, Just another small 228 pound linebacker. That aint big in any book.

Tall, skinny maybe

And Shanle and Thorton aren't even good to enough to be called average yet. They are just bigger. Once again, bigger doesn't mean better.

I would not be at all surprised to see the starting LBs next year be James, Dat and Singleton again. For as much as the fans want to run Singleton out of town, the coaching staff sure seems happy with him.

Casual fans don't see what coaches do every day at practice and in game film. If the coaching staff is happy, I am happy.

Here is why I want guys like Singleton on the defense:
http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusspt/apmegasports12-14-162940.asp?id=28&spt=nfl

[Jarv]

But you know linebackers have never been THE "key" for any mainstay Dallas defense I can remember... ever. It's always been about the d-line and the secondary. And truthfully I still think it's that way no matter what some others like Nors believe (and no I'm not ripping you Ben... I agree that we do have some decent linebackers on this squad) but ultimately it will be the d-line and secondary that determine our ultimate fate as a defenense this year.


Mike, how far back in Dallas Lore do you go ? The "Flex" defense was based on the D-line locking up linemen and letting the LB's flow to the play. Ala Bob Lilly and Bruenig (sp?). LB's were key to the defense !

[speedkilz88]

I have heard Spagnola before say that Singleton has to be bigger than his listed 228. Just by looking at the guy he appears closer to 240 than 228.

[Hostile]

I have heard Spagnola before say that Singleton has to be bigger than his listed 228. Just by looking at the guy he appears closer to 240 than 228.
It would be really funny if that proved to be true.

[Skeptic]

I agree.

Linebackers are the middle men of any defense, and the benefits of having a quality corps of backers can't be underestimated.

Right now, I think we have a decent group of linebackers, however I'm rather unimpressed with the play of Al Singleton.

I just never see him do anything.

And that is key.

Or something like that . . .

I don't know why, but the bold makes me read that in my head as William Shatner.

Weird.

[Banned_n_austin]

I didn't really mean anything . . . I just wanted to bold some stuff.

Nothing to see here . . . move along . . .

I mean the name "Midswat" goofy.

What does it mean?

[Banned_n_austin]

Singleton is our biggest starting LB. :rolleyes:

Hos, he is not our biggest. Stop trying to argue semantics with Nors and admit that he is right.

Dat and Dex are big players.

[Hostile]

Hos, he is not our biggest. Stop trying to argue semantics with Nors and admit that he is right.

Dat and Dex are big players.
Read my other posts to Nors and educate yourself. ;)

[Midswat]

I mean the name "Midswat" goofy.

What does it mean?


Thats a secret.

[Banned_n_austin]

Read my other posts to Nors and educate yourself. ;)

I read all your reasons why you think Singelton is "big". Those don't matter. He's light and in football, being "light" does not mean being "big".

[Nors]

I read all your reasons why you think Singelton is "big". Those don't matter. He's light and in football, being "light" does not mean being "big".

To me a big LB is 245 plus.

A 228 pound LB in the NFL today is small. Roy Williams at safety is 235

[junk]

To me a big LB is 245 plus.

A 228 pound LB in the NFL today is small. Roy Williams at safety is 235

And again, big doesn't mean better. How about some of these LBs that don't meet your qualification of big.

Nick Barnett
Keith Brooking
Derrick Brooks
Dexter Coakley
Sam Cowart
Donnie Edwards
Ray Lewis
Julian Peterson
Anthony Simmons
Brian Simmons
Takeo Spikes
Zach Thomas

Not a bad list. I would take any of those guys. If Singleton was a glaring weakness, I would say it would be an area of concern. I just don't see it. Granted, he doesn't blow people up every play, but he is obviously doing his job. If an upgrade came along, take it. I doubt it is at the top of the list though.

BTW, ESPN lists Al at 236. Your "big" LBs, Shanle and Thorton are listed at 237 and 240 respectively. At that rate of size increases, it will take BP awhile to get his big LBs.

I don't care how big a guy is if he makes plays. I sure as hell wouldn't draft a bigger guy over a guy that weighs 15 lbs less if the lighter guy is more productive.

[Banned_n_austin]

To me a big LB is 245 plus.

A 228 pound LB in the NFL today is small. Roy Williams at safety is 235

I agree. Weight has more to do with being "big" than height. I think most would agree. I am surprised that Singleton doesn't weigh more. He sure looks bigger, but I guess he's a tweener, eh Nors?

[Banned_n_austin]

And again, big doesn't mean better. How about some of these LBs that don't meet your qualification of big.

Nick Barnett
Keith Brooking
Derrick Brooks
Dexter Coakley
Sam Cowart
Donnie Edwards
Ray Lewis
Julian Peterson
Anthony Simmons
Brian Simmons
Takeo Spikes
Zach Thomas

Not a bad list. I would take any of those guys. If Singleton was a glaring weakness, I would say it would be an area of concern. I just don't see it. Granted, he doesn't blow people up every play, but he is obviously doing his job. If an upgrade came along, take it. I doubt it is at the top of the list though.

BTW, ESPN lists Al at 236. Your "big" LBs, Shanle and Thorton are listed at 237 and 240 respectively. At that rate of size increases, it will take BP awhile to get his big LBs.

I don't care how big a guy is if he makes plays. I sure as hell wouldn't draft a bigger guy over a guy that weighs 15 lbs less if the lighter guy is more productive.

Nice analogy.

This is what my whole post is really about. While some will say Dat and Dex are small guys, they're really not. They are just compact. They have a lot of muscle on them.

Of course, there are bigger LB's, but Dat is deceptive, so is Dex.

I've been taking heat for these guys for a while. I always hear about how small they are etc. But these guys are playmakers and don't get the props they deserve. Especially Dex. They are key to the defense, especially in Zimmer's scheme. He uses their abilities to his advantage (most of the time).

Dat and Dex are the Rodney Dangerfields of the Dallas Cowboys.

[Banned_n_austin]

But you know linebackers have never been THE "key" for any mainstay Dallas defense I can remember... ever. It's always been about the d-line and the secondary. And truthfully I still think it's that way no matter what some others like Nors believe (and no I'm not ripping you Ben... I agree that we do have some decent linebackers on this squad) but ultimately it will be the d-line and secondary that determine our ultimate fate as a defenense this year.

Nope, just like last year. The LB's will pick up the slack of the front four. We have almost nothing up front and we really didn't last year.

I'd say last year was the year that the LB's were "key" to the #1 defense.

It surely wasn't the defensive line.

[MichaelWinicki]

Mike, how far back in Dallas Lore do you go ? The "Flex" defense was based on the D-line locking up linemen and letting the LB's flow to the play. Ala Bob Lilly and Bruenig (sp?). LB's were key to the defense !

I've been a fan since 1971.

And I stand by my statement. LB's have always been the less famous part of our defense as compared to the DL and secondary.

By the way, Bob Lilly, #74, was a defensive tackle. ;)

[MichaelWinicki]

Nope, just like last year. The LB's will pick up the slack of the front four. We have almost nothing up front and we really didn't last year.

I'd say last year was the year that the LB's were "key" to the #1 defense.

It surely wasn't the defensive line.


I agree Ben that the defensive line isn't what it should be and until it is that will keep this defense from reaching the performance of Doomsday I, II or that of the early 90's.

If the linebackers are the best part of our defense... I say our defense is in trouble.

[Banned_n_austin]

I agree Ben that the defensive line isn't what it should be and until it is that will keep this defense from reaching the performance of Doomsday I, II or that of the early 90's.

If the linebackers are the best part of our defense... I say our defense is in trouble.

It's a team sport, Mikey. Everyone is "key".

In my mind, there is no "best part" of our defense. And if there had to be, it'd be the safties, IMO (if Woody was healthy). But these LB's are key to the defense. They are the reason teams can't run outside and when they're forced up the middle they have to face Williams and Woodson (when he's healthy) and that's no fun for anyone. And most teams don't have much production with their TE's against us. Credit that to the LB's being able to play the run and cover.

Like it or not, the LB's were a key reason we had the #1 defense. When Woody gets back things will be back to normal and we could have top 5 defense - atleast a top 10.

The only thing that would keep us from being way up there is the front four, which is why our LB's are more key now than ever.

They've got to step up and pick up the slack. Our defensive line is anemic.

[marsbennett]

You saw it with your own eyes on Sunday.

You saw two key plays made by the linebackers of the Dallas Cowboys.

4th and 2?

Punt the ball, right?

Nah, direct snap to Coakely to pick up the first down and then some.

That's key.

Get off Dex's back everybody!

Dat's interception..

How bout' them apples?

Say what you want about our LB's, but they are key to this team and will continue to be throughout the season.

As the saying goes: "Big players make big plays at big moments".

I'd say Dat and Dex are big players.


Nice post. I agree.

Still, we are not anywhere near dominant.....I wouldn't mind seeing the entire next draft go for Defense..including LB's. The D Line needs it most, however.

[Hostile]

I read all your reasons why you think Singelton is "big". Those don't matter. He's light and in football, being "light" does not mean being "big".
It doesn't mean it to me either, but it does to Parcells. This is how he has defined big, not me.

[Hostile]

To me a big LB is 245 plus.

A 228 pound LB in the NFL today is small. Roy Williams at safety is 235
Then why did BP think Dat at 243 was small? You're going to tell me 2 pounds? Come on.

[Hostile]

And again, big doesn't mean better. How about some of these LBs that don't meet your qualification of big.

Nick Barnett
Keith Brooking
Derrick Brooks
Dexter Coakley
Sam Cowart
Donnie Edwards
Ray Lewis
Julian Peterson
Anthony Simmons
Brian Simmons
Takeo Spikes
Zach Thomas

Not a bad list. I would take any of those guys. If Singleton was a glaring weakness, I would say it would be an area of concern. I just don't see it. Granted, he doesn't blow people up every play, but he is obviously doing his job. If an upgrade came along, take it. I doubt it is at the top of the list though.

BTW, ESPN lists Al at 236. Your "big" LBs, Shanle and Thorton are listed at 237 and 240 respectively. At that rate of size increases, it will take BP awhile to get his big LBs.

I don't care how big a guy is if he makes plays. I sure as hell wouldn't draft a bigger guy over a guy that weighs 15 lbs less if the lighter guy is more productive.
Excellent post.

I should look up how tall they are. :)

[Banned_n_austin]

It doesn't mean it to me either, but it does to Parcells. This is how he has defined big, not me.

Singleton does look bigger than he is.

[Nors]

Excellent post.

I should look up how tall they are. :)


Before accepting that post - do some research.

He quotes 3 LB's as evidence:

Ray Lewis - 6-1 245
Takeo Spikes - 6-2 242
J Peterson - 6-3 235

Man that was a weak counter. Bobbleheading on your part:)


228 pound Al S is a small LB.

[Hostile]

Before accepting that post - do some research.

He quotes 3 LB's as evidence:

Ray Lewis - 6-1 245
Takeo Spikes - 6-2 242
J Peterson - 6-3 235

Man that was a weak counter. Bobbleheading on your part:)


228 pound Al S is a small LB.
You need to tell Parcells Nors. He clearly doesn't agree with how you define big as I have easily proven.

You're trying to sell me something I'm not even arguing. I am merely arguing Parcells point of view. Your argument is with him.

His issue with size is height not weight. That is irrefutable.

[Nors]

You need to tell Parcells Nors. He clearly doesn't agree with how you define big as I have easily proven.

You're trying to sell me something I'm not even arguing. I am merely arguing Parcells point of view. Your argument is with him.

His issue with size is height not weight. That is irrefutable.

BS - Bill loves big LB's - AND WEIGHT MATTERS :rolleyes:


BS - He loves Dat 59, a great Hybrid ILB. 245 and brings it.

Nice attempt - Al is a smurflike skinny 6-2 228.
Convince yourself that is a "big" LB.

[Nors]

Sizing Up The Linebackers Email Story Print Story




By NICK EATMAN
DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer
July 17, 2003, 5:38 p.m. (CDT)

(Editor's Note: This is the eighth of an 11-part series, DallasCowboys.com analyzing the Cowboys position-by-position as they begin final preparations for the July 24 start of training camp. Today will feature the linebackers.)

IRVING, Texas - Soon after the Cowboys named Bill Parcells their new head coach, perceptions swirled he would have a small problem with one of his favorite positions:

Linebacker.

Throughout his coaching career, Parcells has enjoyed the play of some mighty fine linebackers, guys such as Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, Carl Banks, Willie McGinest and Bryan Cox. All of them were Pro Bowl players, and none of them were considered small linebackers.

Now the Cowboys do have some Pro Bowl experience at linebacker, Dexter Coakley having earned two trips to Hawaii. And the middle linebacker, Dat Nguyen, has been productive when healthy.

But it's that size thing.

Coakley is but 5-10, 236 pounds playing on the outside. Nguyen is all of 5-11, 243 in the middle. Both are considered undersized for their positions, something both have battled throughout their careers, especially at this level.

Even Parcells was somewhat skeptical at the beginning, saying he would prefer a little more size at the position. But there was this sense he might have changed his mind somewhat after seeing these guys perform during the mini-camps, and is more than willing to see them perform during the season before passing judgment.

"I'm going to have to see them play first," Parcells said. "It's certainly not what I'm used to. I'm used to a little bit bigger group. But like I said, the game has changed. It's more spread. The style of middle linebacker in this league has obviously changed from what it was. Your linebackers today have to be able to run to the ball."

And with that, Parcells might actually like what he sees.

Over the last two years, Coakley and Nguyen have gotten to the ball, each recording a season with more than 170 tackles.

Nguyen recorded the second-most single-season tackles (172) in franchise history two years ago, coming up, though, far short of Eugene Lockhart's team-record 222 tackles in 1989. But Nguyen's mark now stands as the third-highest. Fellow perceived munchkin Coakley eclipsed that mark last year with 173 stops.

Nguyen finished with 81 stops in 2002, despite missing half the season with a fractured wrist suffered in the season opener.

Both players should be ready to roll for the start of training camp and will be joined by a newcomer to the starting linebacker trio this season.

The Cowboys tried to re-sign Kevin Hardy, who finished third on the team last year with 114 tackles. But they couldn't compete once the Bengals offered him a four-year contract worth nearly $16 million. That was more than the Cowboys wanted to pay a 30-year-old player.

So that put the Cowboys on the lookout for another strong-side linebacker, leading them to acquire Al Singleton from the Super Bowl champion Buccaneers.

Singleton (6-2, 228) isn't exactly a giant himself, but at least brings some height to the position. He started 15 games with the Bucs last year, registering 89 tackles, good for fifth on a Tampa Bay defense that ultimately brought home a championship.

Singleton shouldn't have much competition for the starting job, although third-year pro Markus Steele could have an outside shot. Steele did start 10 games as a rookie in 2001, and three more at middle linebacker last season replacing the injured Nguyen.

The Cowboys are also intrigued with fourth-round draft pick Bradie James, a versatile rookie who played both outside and middle linebacker at LSU. James also played for Cowboys linebackers coach Gary Gibbs two years ago when Gibbs served as LSU's defensive coordinator.

James (the 103rd overall pick) is expected to back up Coakley on the weak side, but could be used in a few change-up defensive packages. With his speed, James will definitely be used on several, if not all, special-team units.

The Cowboys are also excited about the return of Jamal Brooks, who missed all of last season after suffering a fractured fibula in the final preseason game against Jacksonville. Brooks finished training camp as Nguyen's backup in the middle and would've started at least seven games with Nguyen out of the lineup. Instead, Brooks spent last season in rehab, but appears ready to go again, having participated in all of the mini-camps this off-season.

Brooks gives the Cowboys some added depth and versatility, having played all three linebacker positions in his two seasons with the club. In 2001, Brooks finished second in special teams tackles with 20.

If the Cowboys keep six linebackers on the roster, the top candidate to claim the final spot would be Louis Mackey, a two-year veteran who led the team with 18 special teams tackles last year. Mackey is more of an outside linebacker.

Other players looking to earn a roster spot include Michael Hawkes and rookie free agent Keith O'Neil. Hawkes was a name Parcells mentioned at the end of the mini-camps as someone who had caught his eye.

The Cowboys also will look at defensive end Kevin DeRonde at outside linebacker. DeRonde, whose specialty is rushing the passer, would not only give the Cowboys some outside pass-rush capability at linebacker, but some additional size when they go four linebackers on the goal line and in short yardage.

So see, there seems to be fewer questions at the linebacker position heading into camp than most anywhere else. Unless Steele, Brooks or even James has a stellar training camp to beat out Singleton, the three starting linebacker spots appear filled.

And that should come as somewhat of a relief to the coaching staff with so many other positions still to be decided. No matter their size.

(Next: Cornerbacks)

[Banned_n_austin]

You need to tell Parcells Nors. He clearly doesn't agree with how you define big as I have easily proven.

You're trying to sell me something I'm not even arguing. I am merely arguing Parcells point of view. Your argument is with him.

His issue with size is height not weight. That is irrefutable.

So when Parcells talks about big players he means tall ones, right? :confused:

[Banned_n_austin]

This is why they are key....

Nguyen recorded the second-most single-season tackles (172) in franchise history two years ago, coming up, though, far short of Eugene Lockhart's team-record 222 tackles in 1989. But Nguyen's mark now stands as the third-highest. Fellow perceived munchkin Coakley eclipsed that mark last year with 173 stops.

We are talking about the second-most single-season tacklers in franshise history.

Dat with 172 tackles....Dex with 173.

Moan, groan and whine over productivity like that?

Get real.

Dat and Dex are big players who make big plays.

[junk]

Sizing Up The Linebackers Email Story Print Story




By NICK EATMAN
DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer
July 17, 2003, 5:38 p.m. (CDT)

(Editor's Note: This is the eighth of an 11-part series, DallasCowboys.com analyzing the Cowboys position-by-position as they begin final preparations for the July 24 start of training camp. Today will feature the linebackers.)

IRVING, Texas - Soon after the Cowboys named Bill Parcells their new head coach, perceptions swirled he would have a small problem with one of his favorite positions:

Linebacker.

Throughout his coaching career, Parcells has enjoyed the play of some mighty fine linebackers, guys such as Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, Carl Banks, Willie McGinest and Bryan Cox. All of them were Pro Bowl players, and none of them were considered small linebackers.

Now the Cowboys do have some Pro Bowl experience at linebacker, Dexter Coakley having earned two trips to Hawaii. And the middle linebacker, Dat Nguyen, has been productive when healthy.

But it's that size thing.

Coakley is but 5-10, 236 pounds playing on the outside. Nguyen is all of 5-11, 243 in the middle. Both are considered undersized for their positions, something both have battled throughout their careers, especially at this level.

Even Parcells was somewhat skeptical at the beginning, saying he would prefer a little more size at the position. But there was this sense he might have changed his mind somewhat after seeing these guys perform during the mini-camps, and is more than willing to see them perform during the season before passing judgment.

"I'm going to have to see them play first," Parcells said. "It's certainly not what I'm used to. I'm used to a little bit bigger group. But like I said, the game has changed. It's more spread. The style of middle linebacker in this league has obviously changed from what it was. Your linebackers today have to be able to run to the ball."

And with that, Parcells might actually like what he sees.

Over the last two years, Coakley and Nguyen have gotten to the ball, each recording a season with more than 170 tackles.

Nguyen recorded the second-most single-season tackles (172) in franchise history two years ago, coming up, though, far short of Eugene Lockhart's team-record 222 tackles in 1989. But Nguyen's mark now stands as the third-highest. Fellow perceived munchkin Coakley eclipsed that mark last year with 173 stops.

Nguyen finished with 81 stops in 2002, despite missing half the season with a fractured wrist suffered in the season opener.

Both players should be ready to roll for the start of training camp and will be joined by a newcomer to the starting linebacker trio this season.

The Cowboys tried to re-sign Kevin Hardy, who finished third on the team last year with 114 tackles. But they couldn't compete once the Bengals offered him a four-year contract worth nearly $16 million. That was more than the Cowboys wanted to pay a 30-year-old player.

So that put the Cowboys on the lookout for another strong-side linebacker, leading them to acquire Al Singleton from the Super Bowl champion Buccaneers.

Singleton (6-2, 228) isn't exactly a giant himself, but at least brings some height to the position. He started 15 games with the Bucs last year, registering 89 tackles, good for fifth on a Tampa Bay defense that ultimately brought home a championship.

Singleton shouldn't have much competition for the starting job, although third-year pro Markus Steele could have an outside shot. Steele did start 10 games as a rookie in 2001, and three more at middle linebacker last season replacing the injured Nguyen.

The Cowboys are also intrigued with fourth-round draft pick Bradie James, a versatile rookie who played both outside and middle linebacker at LSU. James also played for Cowboys linebackers coach Gary Gibbs two years ago when Gibbs served as LSU's defensive coordinator.

James (the 103rd overall pick) is expected to back up Coakley on the weak side, but could be used in a few change-up defensive packages. With his speed, James will definitely be used on several, if not all, special-team units.

The Cowboys are also excited about the return of Jamal Brooks, who missed all of last season after suffering a fractured fibula in the final preseason game against Jacksonville. Brooks finished training camp as Nguyen's backup in the middle and would've started at least seven games with Nguyen out of the lineup. Instead, Brooks spent last season in rehab, but appears ready to go again, having participated in all of the mini-camps this off-season.

Brooks gives the Cowboys some added depth and versatility, having played all three linebacker positions in his two seasons with the club. In 2001, Brooks finished second in special teams tackles with 20.

If the Cowboys keep six linebackers on the roster, the top candidate to claim the final spot would be Louis Mackey, a two-year veteran who led the team with 18 special teams tackles last year. Mackey is more of an outside linebacker.

Other players looking to earn a roster spot include Michael Hawkes and rookie free agent Keith O'Neil. Hawkes was a name Parcells mentioned at the end of the mini-camps as someone who had caught his eye.

The Cowboys also will look at defensive end Kevin DeRonde at outside linebacker. DeRonde, whose specialty is rushing the passer, would not only give the Cowboys some outside pass-rush capability at linebacker, but some additional size when they go four linebackers on the goal line and in short yardage.

So see, there seems to be fewer questions at the linebacker position heading into camp than most anywhere else. Unless Steele, Brooks or even James has a stellar training camp to beat out Singleton, the three starting linebacker spots appear filled.

And that should come as somewhat of a relief to the coaching staff with so many other positions still to be decided. No matter their size.

(Next: Cornerbacks)

Why do you want to waste high round draft picks on LBs when there are much more dire positions of need? DL? CB? S? WR?

I could really see the team going DL with 2 of the top 3 picks next year.

[Hostile]

BS - Bill loves big LB's - AND WEIGHT MATTERS :rolleyes:


BS - He loves Dat 59, a great Hybrid ILB. 245 and brings it.

Nice attempt - Al is a smurflike skinny 6-2 228.
Convince yourself that is a "big" LB.
I love how you're getting mad at me for pointing out the obvious to you, when in reality you disagree with Parcells' assessments, not mine.

Hilarious.

[junk]

Before accepting that post - do some research.

He quotes 3 LB's as evidence:

Ray Lewis - 6-1 245
Takeo Spikes - 6-2 242
J Peterson - 6-3 235

Man that was a weak counter. Bobbleheading on your part:)


228 pound Al S is a small LB.

I used those as evidence because they all counter YOUR theory that a big LB is 245+. Ray is right at 245, Takeo is less and Julian is considerably less. Al is listed at 236 at ESPN. Bigger than Julian.

[junk]

BS - Bill loves big LB's - AND WEIGHT MATTERS :rolleyes:


BS - He loves Dat 59, a great Hybrid ILB. 245 and brings it.

Nice attempt - Al is a smurflike skinny 6-2 228.
Convince yourself that is a "big" LB.

What in the heck is a hybrid ILB. Dat is an ILB. A three down ILB. He doesn't do anything but play ILB thus making him an ILB. There is no hybrid associated with anything he does.

Al is hardly "smurflike". That would better describe Coakley. Your obsession with LBers is out of hand. Way down on the list of priorities that should be addressed in 05 draft.

[Hostile]

What in the heck is a hybrid ILB. Dat is an ILB. A three down ILB. He doesn't do anything but play ILB thus making him an ILB. There is no hybrid associated with anything he does.

Al is hardly "smurflike". That would better describe Coakley. Your obsession with LBers is out of hand. Way down on the list of priorities that should be addressed in 05 draft.
You know, if it weren't for the combatant you're up against, I'd say point made. :D

[junk]

You know, if it weren't for the combatant you're up against, I'd say point made. :D

I know. I try. Hopefully, Nors appreciates my efforts. :D

[Nors]

You know, if it weren't for the combatant you're up against, I'd say point made. :D

Bruschi will appear in his 10th postseason game tomorrow night for the Patriots, his fifth as a starter. As he's evolved into an elite defender -- one who shifted first from defensive end to outside linebacker, then last year to the inside -- he has helped establish a new trend toward sleeker, smaller, quicker linebackers.

"Bill [Belichick] and I were talking about this the other day," said Parcells. "Tedy is sort of a hybrid player. Guys like him, who are versatile, dedicated, able to do different things, aren't that plentiful in this league. I've got [middle linebacker] Dat Nguyen in Dallas, but even he's a little different from Bruschi."

Nguyen is different because he played linebacker in college. Few -- if any -- of the other hybrid linebackers made the switch from defensive end.

"I guess that's what I sort of hang my hat on," Bruschi said. "Maybe I was one of the first so-called `projects' that really opened the door for other guys. When the All-Pro team came out, you had [Baltimore linebacker] Ray Lewis, who is on a different level. But the other first-team guy was [Miami linebacker] Zach Thomas, and the second-team guys were me and Dat Nguyen. All three of us are a little undersized, `I was like, `Yeah, guys, we did it.' "






He's Dat 59, a 243 pound solid ILB who is versatile and can do different things. Kalen ThorNton and OgoBoguboogubu are two more. Roy Williams in the box is as well. Shanlee is another Hybrid.

[Nors]

I used those as evidence because they all counter YOUR theory that a big LB is 245+. Ray is right at 245, Takeo is less and Julian is considerably less. Al is listed at 236 at ESPN. Bigger than Julian.

Most everywhere and by Cowboys at 228

NFL.com has him at 1 tackle this season. He's a career at best average player. Easily upgraded and we can increase team youth and SIZE.

[junk]

Most everywhere and by Cowboys at 228

NFL.com has him at 1 tackle this season. He's a career at best average player. Easily upgraded and we can increase team youth and SIZE.

I don't think he is easily upgraded...or he wouldn't have started the last two years. Why isn't your legendary 3-4 hybrid guy Shanle pushing him? Oh, because he is a special teamer. I noticed Bradie hasn't gotten reps at his position either. Bill hasn't said much about his play other than he is doing fine and he doesn't have to worry about him.

1 tackle doesn't mean much to me. Could be the scheme, could be that teams try to run away from him.

Once again, I am not going to replace a productive one with an unproductive one just because of size. If an upgrade comes along, fine. But right now, this team has MUCH more pressing needs than a strong side LB.

[junk]

Bruschi will appear in his 10th postseason game tomorrow night for the Patriots, his fifth as a starter. As he's evolved into an elite defender -- one who shifted first from defensive end to outside linebacker, then last year to the inside -- he has helped establish a new trend toward sleeker, smaller, quicker linebackers.

"Bill [Belichick] and I were talking about this the other day," said Parcells. "Tedy is sort of a hybrid player. Guys like him, who are versatile, dedicated, able to do different things, aren't that plentiful in this league. I've got [middle linebacker] Dat Nguyen in Dallas, but even he's a little different from Bruschi."

Nguyen is different because he played linebacker in college. Few -- if any -- of the other hybrid linebackers made the switch from defensive end.

"I guess that's what I sort of hang my hat on," Bruschi said. "Maybe I was one of the first so-called `projects' that really opened the door for other guys. When the All-Pro team came out, you had [Baltimore linebacker] Ray Lewis, who is on a different level. But the other first-team guy was [Miami linebacker] Zach Thomas, and the second-team guys were me and Dat Nguyen. All three of us are a little undersized, `I was like, `Yeah, guys, we did it.' "


He's Dat 59, a 243 pound solid ILB who is versatile and can do different things. Kalen ThorNton and OgoBoguboogubu are two more. Roy Williams in the box is as well. Shanlee is another Hybrid.

Yep, I know Dat's number and name. Pretty sure I know who he is. And the only thing I see him do is play ILB. Plays the run, drops into coverage sometimes, blitzes occasionally. Seems like things that LBers do.

Reread your quote, he compared Dat to Bruschi because of his dedication and versatility. Sure, Dat is versatile. He is a three down LB. Yep, he can do different things. Cover, blitz and tackle. But even BP says "even he's a little different from Bruschi".

Why do you hang your hat on these players you want to be hybrids? They are all depth and ST players. Not a one is even remotely challenging for a starting job. Dat is a solid ILB. Who does all the things I said above? You dont see him lining up as an edge rusher or a down lineman though. Roy Williams is a strong safety. They play in the box. I remember Darren Woodson doing that for a long time and he has never been described as a hybrid.

Your 3-4 obsession is kind of scary. This team isn't going to transform into the NE pats overnight with guys like Shanle, Thornton and Ogbogu. The DL would need to be revamped to be successful and the 3-4 doesnt guarantee any more success than any other scheme. You need players to implement a scheme. Dallas doesn't have the players to properly implement that scheme right now.

[davidyee]

Singleton is a small linebacker. 228 is anemic, Bradie James is 6-2 as is Shanle and Thornton is 6-3.

You are dead wrong - He is not the biggest LB on the team in height or weight. In fact he's 7 pounds lighter than our FS.

If you believe Al Singleton is the biggest LB on our team, your record is intact.

...posted his size under the criteria of starting LB. I don't think James, Shanle and Thornton have ever been starters yet.

[davidyee]

This is why they are key....



We are talking about the second-most single-season tacklers in franshise history.

Dat with 172 tackles....Dex with 173.

Moan, groan and whine over productivity like that?

Get real.

Dat and Dex are big players who make big plays.

I'm convinced that all of Parcells' comments in the media about prototypical size of LBs means he is not satisfied at how we are manned.

Ultimately if the point of this exercise is to win the SuperBowl you have to think that Bill is looking to replace elements of the team in order to fit what he percieves as his ideal type of team.

My guess is that he wants a bigger middle LB than Dat and a size upgrade of Coak. It's not to say they aren't good players, right now its the contrary and Bill has gone on record to say that he has taken Dat for granted and once found himself taking some time to acknowledge Nguyen's efforts on the field.

Why bigger Lbs? Road to the SuperBowl is paved with games against better teams. Better teams run with success. LBs are typically tackling machines. If you are going to be involved in collisions on a regular basis mass is going to be one of your best friends. With Dat and Dex's height they is only going to be able to carry so much mass before they are not capable of playing their style of game. In a one on one match up against say ... Corey Dillon... I would say Dillon runs over those two guys on the way to first down or the endzone.

Good RBs running downhill will win the majority of the one on one battles against Coak and Nguyen. This is what I believe Parcells is trying to mitigate on his quest for the SuperBowl.

[Nors]

Yep, I know Dat's number and name. Pretty sure I know who he is. And the only thing I see him do is play ILB. Plays the run, drops into coverage sometimes, blitzes occasionally. Seems like things that LBers do.

Reread your quote, he compared Dat to Bruschi because of his dedication and versatility. Sure, Dat is versatile. He is a three down LB. Yep, he can do different things. Cover, blitz and tackle. But even BP says "even he's a little different from Bruschi".

Why do you hang your hat on these players you want to be hybrids? They are all depth and ST players. Not a one is even remotely challenging for a starting job. Dat is a solid ILB. Who does all the things I said above? You dont see him lining up as an edge rusher or a down lineman though. Roy Williams is a strong safety. They play in the box. I remember Darren Woodson doing that for a long time and he has never been described as a hybrid.

Your 3-4 obsession is kind of scary. This team isn't going to transform into the NE pats overnight with guys like Shanle, Thornton and Ogbogu. The DL would need to be revamped to be successful and the 3-4 doesnt guarantee any more success than any other scheme. You need players to implement a scheme. Dallas doesn't have the players to properly implement that scheme right now.


Parcells on multiple occasions has referred to Dat as a hybrid. He just said it above. Bapcells is very happy with Dat. Its Al S that will be upgraded. Dat is a tackling machine.

[Nors]

...posted his size under the criteria of starting LB. I don't think James, Shanle and Thornton have ever been starters yet.


243 pounds 5-11
228 pounds 6-2

Hos is going with the skinny guy. We all agree Coak is small but still packs 235. Al S is small by any NFL standard. Roy Williams our FS is bigger.

[junk]

Parcells on multiple occasions has referred to Dat as a hybrid. He just said it above. Bapcells is very happy with Dat. Its Al S that will be upgraded. Dat is a tackling machine.

No, in the above quote he called Bruschi a hybrid. He then went on to say Dat is similar....but different. I don't take this to mean he is calling Dat a hybrid.

I don't think you even know what that means. You heard it in a PC somewhere and now you say it all the time. Like up to it in alligators.

This team has much more pressing issues than getting bigger at LB and adding hybrids. :rolleyes:

[Nors]

No, in the above quote he called Bruschi a hybrid. He then went on to say Dat is similar....but different. I don't take this to mean he is calling Dat a hybrid.

I don't think you even know what that means. You heard it in a PC somewhere and now you say it all the time. Like up to it in alligators.

This team has much more pressing issues than getting bigger at LB and adding hybrids. :rolleyes:

Shanle, James, Thornton - he's loading up with bigger and younger players.

Al, Dexter, Glover, Woodson - the middle of our defense is getting OLD.

[Hostile]

...posted his size under the criteria of starting LB. I don't think James, Shanle and Thornton have ever been starters yet.
Bingo, bingo, bingo. We have a bingo. He never saw me use the word starter, yet he is still hung up on that talking about Shanle, et al.

On top of that Parcells issue is with height.

Me, Nors, and everyone else in the world can look at LBs based upon their wieght. I always have and always will. Parcells clearly does not.

No matter how many ways he tries to spin it.

[Hostile]

Parcells on multiple occasions has referred to Dat as a hybrid. He just said it above. Bapcells is very happy with Dat. Its Al S that will be upgraded. Dat is a tackling machine.
No, he didn't. He called Tedy Bruschi (converted from DE in college at Arizona) a "hybrid." He clearly states that Dat is "a little different" from Bruschi.

You've got it in red for crying out loud. Read it for yourself.

Dat has always been a ILB or MLB. There is nothing hybrid about him.

[Hostile]

243 pounds 5-11
228 pounds 6-2

Hos is going with the skinny guy.
NO, Parcells is going with the TALL, skinny guy.

I have nothing to do with it.

[junk]

Shanle, James, Thornton - he's loading up with bigger and younger players.

Al, Dexter, Glover, Woodson - the middle of our defense is getting OLD.

I am not going to argue that the defense needs an injection of youth. I am big proponent of at least one DL pick with those top three next year and possibly 2.

Did you read my comments about Shanle and Thornton's size? Not that much bigger than Al.

Dexter is pretty much gone unless he totally redoes his contract. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Singleton start at least one more year and possibly finish out his contract. FYI, Al is about 1 month older than Dat. Why didn't you mention Dat? 29 years old, I think he has a year or two left.

Again, if an upgrade comes along, I am all for it. This team has much more glaring holes than Al Singleton. Sorry if not replacing him screws up your 3-4 fantasy.

[Hostile]

I am not going to argue that the defense needs an injection of youth. I am big proponent of at least one DL pick with those top three next year and possibly 2.

Did you read my comments about Shanle and Thornton's size? Not that much bigger than Al.

Dexter is pretty much gone unless he totally redoes his contract. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Singleton start at least one more year and possibly finish out his contract. FYI, Al is about 1 month older than Dat. Why didn't you mention Dat? 29 years old, I think he has a year or two left.

Again, if an upgrade comes along, I am all for it. This team has much more glaring holes than Al Singleton. Sorry if not replacing him screws up your 3-4 fantasy.
Not to mention the fact Al and Dex are not up the middle on the D. They're out wide at OLB.

[Nors]

NO, Parcells is going with the TALL, skinny guy.

I have nothing to do with it.

Parcells is going with both Dat and Al. Dat made the Pro Bowl last year.

[Hostile]

Parcells is going with both Dat and Al. Dat made the Pro Bowl last year.
Thank you. You just proved my point.

[Nors]

I am not going to argue that the defense needs an injection of youth. I am big proponent of at least one DL pick with those top three next year and possibly 2.

Did you read my comments about Shanle and Thornton's size? Not that much bigger than Al.

Dexter is pretty much gone unless he totally redoes his contract. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Singleton start at least one more year and possibly finish out his contract. FYI, Al is about 1 month older than Dat. Why didn't you mention Dat? 29 years old, I think he has a year or two left.

Again, if an upgrade comes along, I am all for it. This team has much more glaring holes than Al Singleton. Sorry if not replacing him screws up your 3-4 fantasy.


Are as tall as Al S - and damn near 20 pounds bigger. Al was a reserve his first FIVE years in this league. Has two years starting experience. Thornton is a converted DE - btw.

You are the one obsessed with 3-4. I never mentioned it, you feel a need to.

[Nors]

Thank you. You just proved my point.


Al S obviously is the starter today. What point made = He's still a small LB.

Expect UPGRADE this offseason there. One tackle in two games - wohooo!

[Hostile]

Al S obviously is the starter today. What point made = He's still a small LB.

Expect UPGRADE this offseason there. One tackle in two games - wohooo!
You can spin it any way you want. It still won't make you right.

I never said I was happy with Singleton, or thought he was big at 228 pounds, or that scrubs were replacing him or any of the other tangents you took off on.

[Nors]

You can spin it any way you want. It still won't make you right.

I never said I was happy with Singleton, or thought he was big at 228 pounds, or that scrubs were replacing him or any of the other tangents you took off on.

That he was the biggest LB. Lets agree to move on. Our depth is clearly bigger that is true.

[junk]

Al S obviously is the starter today. What point made = He's still a small LB.

Expect UPGRADE this offseason there. One tackle in two games - wohooo!

Well, you have heard my opinion. I honestly don't think it is a pressing area for upgrade and wouldn't be surprised to see Al starting there next year. I would be quite unhappy if Dallas wasted a high draft pick on a LB.

Make all the idiotic comments you want about one tackle. He is a veteran team leader and is obviously doing his job.

[Hostile]

That he was the biggest LB. Lets agree to move on. Our depth is clearly bigger that is true.
I started it?

LOL

Okay, if you say so.

Agree, let's move on.

[junk]

Are as tall as Al S - and damn near 20 pounds bigger. Al was a reserve his first FIVE years in this league. Has two years starting experience. Thornton is a converted DE - btw.

You are the one obsessed with 3-4. I never mentioned it, you feel a need to.

Where do you get 20 lbs? ESPN lists them as 1 and 4 lbs heavier than Singleton. I am sure the truth is somewhere in between but they aren't that much heavier.

Why isn't Shanle or Thornton even pushing for a starting job if bigger is so much better? I know what Thornton is, a project. A situational guy. Shanle is a special teamer.

You mention 3-4 on a daily basis. All your talk of getting bigger and adding hybrids folds right back into your 3-4 agenda, so don't pull the innocent act.

[Nors]

Where do you get 20 lbs? ESPN lists them as 1 and 4 lbs heavier than Singleton. I am sure the truth is somewhere in between but they aren't that much heavier.

Why isn't Shanle or Thornton even pushing for a starting job if bigger is so much better? I know what Thornton is, a project. A situational guy. Shanle is a special teamer.

You mention 3-4 on a daily basis. All your talk of getting bigger and adding hybrids folds right back into your 3-4 agenda, so don't pull the innocent act.

I have not talked of 3-4 in a long time. You digress

Per DC.Com

Al S 6-2 228

Coak 5-10 236
BJ 6-2 243
Dat 59 5-11 243
Kalen T 6-3 245
Scott S 6-2 245


Al S has 1 tackle this year , was a 5 year backup before starting. Don't be so harsh on Shanle, Thornton. Parcells said this week he's stocking 3 or 4 developmental guys that can play................:)

[big dog cowboy]

hybrids

I knew that word had to be in thread somewhere.

[davidyee]

243 pounds 5-11
228 pounds 6-2

Hos is going with the skinny guy. We all agree Coak is small but still packs 235. Al S is small by any NFL standard. Roy Williams our FS is bigger.

I'm not going to get caught up with your semantics game of what constitutes bigger, but I would appreciate that if you do debate with someone at least acknowledge the terms on which that person is engaging.

If you carefully read Hostile's response he was talking about starting LBs of which you INCORRECTLY responded with the names of James, Shanle and Thornton. All three who are NOT, and I repeat NOT starting LBs on this team!!!!!

So please debate inside the limits of the comments which in this case is Singleton, Coakley and Nguyen who are all starters.

[Banned_n_austin]

I'm not going to get caught up with your semantics game of what constitutes bigger, but I would appreciate that if you do debate with someone at least acknowledge the terms on which that person is engaging.

If you carefully read Hostile's response he was talking about starting LBs of which you INCORRECTLY responded with the names of James, Shanle and Thornton. All three who are NOT, and I repeat NOT starting LBs on this team!!!!!

So please debate inside the limits of the comments which in this case is Singleton, Coakley and Nguyen who are all starters.


I think Nors point was that if Parcells was so hung up on height, it's easy to see that he has 3 guys that are taller than Dat and Dex. Thus, if "height" meant that much to Parcells, they would be starting.

Watch the game tonite and look for key plays by the LB's.

K?

[Eskimo]

Our LBs are average at best.

The whole defense has to scheme around having them exposed.

They rarely make big plays.

They get overpowered at the point of contact.

For all their ability in pursuit, they do a woeful job on runs to the outside because they are easily blocked by FBs and TEs.

Coakley has been bad in coverage this year which is supposed to be his strength.

I think our D will be much better off when Singleton and Coakley are upgraded. Hopefully James' play will pickup throughout the year as he gains more experience. Unfortunately, after James there does not appear to be an everydown LBer ready to emerge although Thornton may be able to bring some heat from OLB in a 3-4 alignment.

[Banned_n_austin]

Our LBs are average at best.

The whole defense has to scheme around having them exposed.

They rarely make big plays.

They get overpowered at the point of contact.

For all their ability in pursuit, they do a woeful job on runs to the outside because they are easily blocked by FBs and TEs.

Coakley has been bad in coverage this year which is supposed to be his strength.

I think our D will be much better off when Singleton and Coakley are upgraded. Hopefully James' play will pickup throughout the year as he gains more experience. Unfortunately, after James there does not appear to be an everydown LBer ready to emerge although Thornton may be able to bring some heat from OLB in a 3-4 alignment.

OK...

Watch the game tonite, k?

Big plays will happen from Dex and Dat.

Promise.

[Eskimo]

I hope you're right BNA.

I don't dislike the current group of LBs, I just don't sing their praises. They were good against Cleveland but pathetic against the Vikes.

[Nors]

Our LBs are average at best.

The whole defense has to scheme around having them exposed.

They rarely make big plays.

They get overpowered at the point of contact.

For all their ability in pursuit, they do a woeful job on runs to the outside because they are easily blocked by FBs and TEs.

Coakley has been bad in coverage this year which is supposed to be his strength.

I think our D will be much better off when Singleton and Coakley are upgraded. Hopefully James' play will pickup throughout the year as he gains more experience. Unfortunately, after James there does not appear to be an everydown LBer ready to emerge although Thornton may be able to bring some heat from OLB in a 3-4 alignment.

Draft - LB will be addressed - we are aging there and undersized.