Why so much value and confidence around here for draft picks?

[superonyx]

I see so many posters that keep saying McKenzie is not worth a 2nd round draft pick. So of these same people were saying the same thing about Ty Law.
Look at the NFL draft over the last several years. I think you should be able to see that anything outside of the top 10-15 picks are crap shoots. Many times even top 10-15 picks are busts. Look at how many corners we have drafted recently. If the draft was so valuable we would not be in the postion were are in. If you can get a very solid borderline probowl corner with a 2nd round pick then jump on it.

The same thing happened this offseason on this board with Cory Dillion. Many people would not give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him. Well look at how he has been playing. And we are hoping Julius Jones can be a solid(healthy), productive back while we struggle with Eddie George.

My point is very few players drafted ever reach Pro Bowl or even Near Pro Bowl caliber. When one comes available for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.......take it.

[Tuna Helper]

I see so many posters that keep saying McKenzie is not worth a 2nd round draft pick. So of these same people were saying the same thing about Ty Law.
Look at the NFL draft over the last several years. I think you should be able to see that anything outside of the top 10-15 picks are crap shoots. Many times even top 10-15 picks are busts. Look at how many corners we have drafted recently. If the draft was so valuable we would not be in the postion were are in. If you can get a very solid borderline probowl corner with a 2nd round pick then jump on it.

The same thing happened this offseason on this board with Cory Dillion. Many people would not give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him. Well look at how he has been playing. And we are hoping Julius Jones can be a solid(healthy), productive back while we struggle with Eddie George.

My point is very few players drafted ever reach Pro Bowl or even Near Pro Bowl caliber. When one comes available for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.......take it.


The Joey Galloway trade has made the Cowboy faithful gunshy when it comes to pulling the trigger on any trade that involves high draft picks.

If the Cowboys are mentioned for high draft picks...it is only because they are toe-dipping.

[TheHustler]

considering our last few 2nd round picks havent exactly panned out, i'd trade it for mike.

[jterrell]

You keep 1's. 2nd and 3rds for proven NFL players I would trade for most times.

I would trade a 2nd for McKenzie.

[MichaelWinicki]

You keep 1's. 2nd and 3rds for proven NFL players I would trade for most times.

I would trade a 2nd for McKenzie.


But it's more than the 2nd. It's the dollars it will require to make this guy happy. He's a good corner but he'lll never be a pro-bowler or even an alternate.

Mike W.

[Chuck 54]

The way we draft outside of the top 6-8 spots, I'd even trade a #1 if I believed McKenzie was going to be my starting RCB...that's a cheap price to pay for a young starter at CB. What are we going to do with that pick that brings us a better player?

That said, I don't think we're the team dealing for McKenzie. I think a team expecting to go deep in the playoffs and now looking at injuries at CB probably stepped in and made a deal.

[Derinyar]

His contract demands and apperant willingness to throw his team under the bus, i wouldn't trade a 2nd for him. A third maybe.

[NewmanCoversAll]

I would give up a second in a heartbeat for a HEALTHY Mckenzie.

[big dog cowboy]

I would give up a second in a heartbeat for a HEALTHY Mckenzie.

He would have to agree to a cap-friendly contract extension for starters. As for the compensation, I would go cheap with upgrades if incentives are met. That is the old CYA theory in case he screws up.

[ghst187]

I would consider trading a second, (definitely a third if we had one) for Mac.
A cb that can cover criminal Moss is worth a second IMO, if he's relatively young and healthy.

Considering our blatant waste of mid and lower round draft picks, I'm all for packaging our later round picks and moving up to get the more elite players in the first round like M Williams and Rolle.

We did hit on Witten and Brady James.

Here some lowlights of our later rounders:
BJ Tucker (sucked in college)- cut (Torrin Tucker was still on the board)
Justin Bates (who is this clown?)- cut
Sean Ryan (another TE?)- cut, PS
Zuriel Smith -cut
Avieon Cason via trade- cut
Bruce Thorton (not a good college CB)-still on the team (at least for one more season then he'll be cut)
Patrick Crayton - still on the team but may resolve to the same fate as Woody Danzler unable to find a place on the team unless he turns into a good KR
Peterman - inured IR
Rogers - didn't even suit up

Reeves - may be a keeper

[crazylegs]

You keep 1's. 2nd and 3rds for proven NFL players I would trade for most times.

I would trade a 2nd for McKenzie.

I would trade a 2nd for any DB that at least can't be de-programed to not turn around for the fricking ball.

(Double negatives for sale...cheap)

[Eskimo]

considering our last few 2nd round picks havent exactly panned out, i'd trade it for mike.

Some have and some have not. QC, Dixon, Goodrich did not work out.

Our last few 2nd rounders have been:

Gurode (starter)
A. Bryant (will be starter sooner or later but still productive)
A. Johnson (starter)
J. Jones (would have been co-starting with EG according to BP before injury)
J. Rogers (I really believe he will win win the RT position before the end of the year. His footwork and upside is much higher than Tucker who will be exposed against speed rushers at LDE)

The whole point about the draft which people misunderstand is that the draft is a means of not only acquiring impact players (they may never see FA with franchise tags) but it is also how you can keep your salary costs low. Most of these rookies play for the rookie minimum which is only $230K. By their third year, the salary is still under $500K. To get a quality starter for that little coin means you can spend the money elsewhere.

In terms of McKenzie, the problem is that he is not an elite CB. He is merely good. Well, you could have gotten good CBs in FA without having to give up a high draft pick. Furthermore, he is not going to be cheap. His salary next year will be $4M and he is not happy with that. He was unhappy enough that he sat out all of TC. He also appears to be a headcase. He has apparently gone through 5 agents already in his young career.

I say we should pass on Mckenzie for a 2nd. I'd rather play out the year and see if one of Hunter, Jones, Reeves or Thornton steps up to be the complementary corner to TNew. If the position is still a hole come next draft, we have two first rounders and there may be 4 CBs with a first round grade - Rolle, Webster, kid from Clemson, kid from Michigan. All of them could be signed to long-term deals for probably less than McKenzie wants now and probably have more upside than he does. Alternatively, we could try to acquire a CB in FA as we should have substantial amount of cap room. The only guys on the cutting block will be Coakley and Woodson.

[Yakuza Rich]

Well, one of the problems is that we don’t know exactly how the Bills and the Cowboys are going to end up.

On top of that, it’s apparent to me that the best draft strategy is to get as many picks as you can. So, let’s say the Bills go 4-12 and we wind up with a top 5 pick. And let’s say we go 10-6 again and have the 22nd pick. Last year, Jones and Parcells were able to parlay that pick into a 2nd and a 1st round pick. So far, it looks like a smart move. What’s to say they don’t try this again?

But, the main problem is the cap. It’s evident to me that Jones never wants to go anywhere near salary cap hell again. Guys like Law and McKenzie want to be paid big $$$$$. In Law’s case, he’s getting a bit up there in age and in McKenzie’s case he’s had a long layoff.

Plus, I imagine that both guys want to be named starter right away and that doesn’t mesh well with Parcell’s philosophy of having open competitions at ever position.

Rich………………………………

[Yakuza Rich]

First off, we’ve got to remember that most second day draft picks don’t do much, if anything at all in the pros. Plus, people seem to blatantly forget the rookie UFA’s (Lee and Tucker) that have been picked up.

****BJ Tucker (sucked in college)****

Agreed. Bad pick, was a “fastest guy available” and I don’t think the scouts really did their homework on this one.

***Justin Bates (who is this clown?)- cut***

Nah.

7th rounder, not much risk involved. He didn’t make it, no big deal.

***Sean Ryan (another TE?)- cut, PS***

Can’t tell yet. Parcells likes to run 3 TE sets. Has since his Giants days of using Bavaro, Zeke Mowatt, and Howard Cross. Will continue to do so after this year (the Woodson injury has put a snag into things).

***Zuriel Smith –cut***

Eh.

He was semi-productive and a 6th rounder, so I’m not completely hurt by the fact he was cut this year.

****Avieon Cason via trade- cut****

Nah.

Traded him for a 7th rounder, he was productive last year. Was cut because Parcells found better alternatives in Lee, Jones, and George.

***Bruce Thorton (not a good college CB)-still on the team (at least for one more season then he'll be cut)***

Too early to tell.

From the sounds of it, Thornton has looked just as good as Reeves and Nate Jones so far, the only difference is that Reeves and Jones are better special teams players. If Thornton is cut next year, then yeah…this is a bad pick considering what they could’ve gotten here.

****Patrick Crayton - still on the team but may resolve to the same fate as Woody Danzler unable to find a place on the team unless he turns into a good KR****

I think Crayton is fine. Parcells is playing it smart by using Ward who has a lot of experience and you won’t have to worry about jitters. Plus, Ward is helping spell Glenn. I wouldn’t be too surprised to see Crayton see some action later this year.

***Peterman - inured IR
Rogers - didn't even suit up***

Again, way to early to tell.

***Reeves - may be a keeper****

Well, just like the “negative 2004 draft picks”, I still think it’s too early to tell on Reeves. That being said, I like what I see and if you can get a possible starter out of a 7th round pick in a rather short turnaround time, that’s HUGE.

Rich…………………………
Lest we forget it’s only week 3 of this season?

[AdamJT13]

But it's more than the 2nd. It's the dollars it will require to make this guy happy. He's a good corner but he'lll never be a pro-bowler or even an alternate.

He was a Pro Bowl alternate last year.

[DallasCowpoke111]

it is only because they are toe-dipping.

What's Troy Hambrick got to do w/ it!!??