3 Games in....... Who still thinks RW

[ABQCOWBOY]

is not a great pick for Detroit? I know there were a few out there. Anybody still think he wasn't the best WR coming out last year?

[jterrell]

I don't think he was the best WR coming out. That is Larry Fitzgerald. I do think he is a heck of a player that is going to only get better with time and a legit 2nd WR if Rogers ever gets healthy.

Hard to judge Fitz with the QB he has in Zona.

[TruBlueCowboy]

is not a great pick for Detroit? I know there were a few out there. Anybody still think he wasn't the best WR coming out last year?

Longhorn grad, eh? ;)

[Doomsday101]

is not a great pick for Detroit? I know there were a few out there. Anybody still think he wasn't the best WR coming out last year?

I felt he was the best WR in the draft period, staying at Texas the extra year hurt him somewhat but a lot of that had to do with the fact Texas did not have a QB who could throw the ball worth a damn. I felt RW was best after 2002 season and my additude did not change after the 2003. The guy has great hands, 4.37 speed and his tough to bring down.

[Ken]

I don't think he was the best WR coming out. That is Larry Fitzgerald. I do think he is a heck of a player that is going to only get better with time and a legit 2nd WR if Rogers ever gets healthy.

Hard to judge Fitz with the QB he has in Zona.


Not like RW was blessed with Montana in Detroit. :)


I always maintained that RW was the best WR in the draft last year.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think he was the best WR coming out. That is Larry Fitzgerald. I do think he is a heck of a player that is going to only get better with time and a legit 2nd WR if Rogers ever gets healthy.

Hard to judge Fitz with the QB he has in Zona.

Oh JT, there you are. It's early yet but Roy Williams will be better the Fitgerald IMO and it's interesting that you think he might be a 2nd WR on the Lions team. Rogers was not and never will be the number one guy. He's got talent but I don't see it.

Still doing your thing for DraftBlitz?

[doomsday_II]

I think RW will end up being better than Fitz though both will be great. They are about the same height and weight I think, and both catch everything, but RW is faster and is harder to bring down(must be the size 17 shoes!)

[Doomsday101]

Oh JT, there you are. It's early yet but Roy Williams will be better the Fitgerald IMO and it's interesting that you think he might be a 2nd WR on the Lions team. Rogers was not and never will be the number one guy. He's got talent but I don't see it.

Still doing your thing for DraftBlitz?

I agree Fitgerald is a good WR but Roy Williams is a lot better and when all is said and done I have no doubts the numbers will prove this to be fact. There is nothing Fitgerald can do that Roy Williams can't do and there are some things that RW can do that Fitgerald can't.

[RCowboyFan]

I don't think he was the best WR coming out. That is Larry Fitzgerald. I do think he is a heck of a player that is going to only get better with time and a legit 2nd WR if Rogers ever gets healthy.

Hard to judge Fitz with the QB he has in Zona.

I was one of those guys who thought Roy was not better WR than Chalres Rogers, especially in Hands issue.

I am totally wrong on that. Seems like Texas under coaches its players. Roy has totally impressed me.

At this point when Charles is healthy, he will be the No. 2 WR, no doubt, if he can stay healthy. Roy right now looks, Randy Moss, minus Randy's Freak Speed and leaping ability.

[coach316]

He was a great pick up for Detroit.

Best WR in the draft? Uhhhhh.....Larry Fitzgerald.

[Tass]

I was one of those guys who thought Roy was not better WR than Chalres Rogers, especially in Hands issue.

I am totally wrong on that. Seems like Texas under coaches its players. Roy has totally impressed me.

At this point when Charles is healthy, he will be the No. 2 WR, no doubt, if he can stay healthy. Roy right now looks, Randy Moss, minus Randy's Freak Speed and leaping ability.


Moss is faster but RW is obviously harder to bring down.

[SA_Gunslinger]

he is the real deal...i wish him much success....just not against us!!!!!

[Eskimo]

The issue with RW was never about talent but about durability. Let's see how he holds up over the season. Right now, it looks like the Lions got the best WR in the draft.

[MrCharlie007]

Not even close...Roy is the best hands down.. Bigger stronger better hands.


He was a great pick up for Detroit.

Best WR in the draft? Uhhhhh.....Larry Fitzgerald.

[Yakuza Rich]

It was a toss up between Williams and Fitzgerald when they were being drafted. Still too hard to tell with Fitz since the Cardinals have too many problems at offense before they even snap the ball.

Roy is already one of the most fun players to watch in the game so far.

Rich......................

[DallasCowpoke111]

and a legit 2nd WR if Rogers ever gets healthy.



:rolleyes:

Almost laughable if I didn't think you believed it!!

[HoustonSucks]

Oh, it's a losing arguement. Of course RW is better than Fitz and will prove it in the long haul. But if you're a Longhorn, you are cursed with the adjectives:

Overrated
Undercoached & miscoached

etc. etc. etc. and other negative tags gift-wrapped and handed out with love from the national media to those who actually listen to them.

This trend will continue for... oh, I guess forever.

Happily, play will tell in the long run -- see Ricky Williams, Priest Holmes, Shaun Rogers, et al

[ABQCOWBOY]

He was a great pick up for Detroit.

Best WR in the draft? Uhhhhh.....Larry Fitzgerald.

Based on what?

[JR HELFRICK]

It is my belief that RW is a better Pro than he was a college player just after 3 games.

[ABQCOWBOY]

It is my belief that RW is a better Pro than he was a college player just after 3 games.

I absolutly agree with this. Said it 4 years ago when he signed with Texas. You could just see what he would be able to do in the Pro's. Damn shame he's playing in Michigan is all.

[OLDSCHOOL]

RW is a heck of a receiver and he will be a good one throughout his career. But Fitzgerald is better right now, because of his maturity and the exposure he had while growing up around Cris Carter , Jake Reed and Randy Moss. Right now it really is no question who is better. Fitzgerald is, not hands down but he is better.

Fitzgerald is injured right now, both guys QBs are equal in my opinion. When I'd say Fitzgerald would have the better career because he will have Anquan Bolden on the other side along with Bryan Johnson, while RW has Charles Rodgers who has to be able to get his body healthy to absorb the rigors NFL football.

But Once he is able to stay healthy he and RW will be a very good tandem also. But they are more of a big play tandem, which is good, but Fitz and Bolden will always be more polished than RW and CR.

The Cardinals tandem is smoother in their route running and getting open, fluid.

The more I think about it, the more I lean toward Fitzgerald.

[OLDSCHOOL]

I agree that RW is a better pro than he was collegiate, as Chris Simms will be a better pro than he was collegiate.

They have better coaching.

[T-New41]

He was a great pick up for Detroit.

Best WR in the draft? Uhhhhh.....Larry Fitzgerald.


And what has Fitz done in AZ? Roy was pretty much dominating the Eagles defense by himself. Too bad for Roy it takes a team effort in the NFL.\

I am not saying Fitz wont be good, but right now Roy has 4 TD's as a Rookie, thats pretty impressive rookie or not.

To say at this moment now Fitz is better than Roy is ridiculus, Fitz hasnt even played yet, Roy is already scoring TD's.

[junk]

I think it is too early to tell. RW has the lead now, but lets check back in 3 years...then again in 5...then again in 8 or 10.

[OldButDeadly]

I am just glad I signed him up in the 10th round in my contract legacy FFL...

I got him for $3.00 a year for 3 years :D

If he keeps going...I got my stud WR already next year!

Kev

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't buy the comparisons going on with AZ vs Detroit.

Who are NFL teams adjusting to? Who are NFL teams double covering all game?

Roy Williams is drawing those coverages already. Fitzgerald is not.

I absolutly agree that Fitz will be a very good WR but to this point, there is no credible evidence to support anybodies claim that Fitzgerald is better.

[T-New41]

I don't buy the comparisons going on with AZ vs Detroit.

Who are NFL teams adjusting to? Who are NFL teams double covering all game?

Roy Williams is drawing those coverages already. Fitzgerald is not.

I absolutly agree that Fitz will be a very good WR but to this point, there is no credible evidence to support anybodies claim that Fitzgerald is better.

All 4 of Roys TD catches have been pretty frickin spectacular too. Especially the one vs Philthy yesterday where he punked down 5 Eagle defenders and walked into the Endzone.

[GeneralPatton]

I am totally wrong on that. Seems like Texas under coaches its players. Roy has totally impressed me.


You guys are like parrot's. Someone in the media once said that Texas didn't coach up their players and now it's the only thing you have. Roy was a remarkable college player. He couldn't have progressed any better. And seeing him do it in the pro's only proves he made the right decision to take his time in college.

The General

[Waffle]

Oh, it's a losing arguement. Of course RW is better than Fitz and will prove it in the long haul. But if you're a Longhorn, you are cursed with the adjectives:

Overrated
Undercoached & miscoached

etc. etc. etc. and other negative tags gift-wrapped and handed out with love from the national media to those who actually listen to them.

This trend will continue for... oh, I guess forever.

Happily, play will tell in the long run -- see Ricky Williams, Priest Holmes, Shaun Rogers, et al
And don't forget Dante Hall and hopefully Kalen Thornton!!

[coach316]

Comparing what Roy Williams is doing in Detroit versus what Fitzgerald is doing in Arizona is an exercise in futility.

Detroit, while not an NFL juggernaut, is leaps and bounds ahead of Arizona. They have a coach established in his second year (kinda like Parcells, huh?). They have an established offensive system. They have better personnel on both sides of the ball, most notably in the QB dept. where they have a 3rd year player who can get the WR the ball. Which is good because without that a WR is just a decoy and a crappy run blocker. They have better management.

Come back when they've played an entire season or three rather than 3 whole games. Until then you have to rely on history. Who was it that won the best WR awards in college football? Oh yeah.

[Waffle]

And what has Fitz done in AZ? Roy was pretty much dominating the Eagles defense by himself. Too bad for Roy it takes a team effort in the NFL.\

I am not saying Fitz wont be good, but right now Roy has 4 TD's as a Rookie, thats pretty impressive rookie or not.

To say at this moment now Fitz is better than Roy is ridiculus, Fitz hasnt even played yet, Roy is already scoring TD's.
If anyone had the misfortune of watching the Cardinals/Falcons game yesterday, Fitz isn't going to do very will w/ Josh McNown at QB. He was doing his best Chad Hutchinson impression (2 pocket fumbles). He looked so bad, that when Denny Green put Shaun King in the game, he actually looked like a HUGE upgrade.

[T-New41]

Comparing what Roy Williams is doing in Detroit versus what Fitzgerald is doing in Arizona is an exercise in futility.

Detroit, while not an NFL juggernaut, is leaps and bounds ahead of Arizona. They have a coach established in his second year (kinda like Parcells, huh?). They have an established offensive system. They have better personnel on both sides of the ball, most notably in the QB dept. where they have a 3rd year player who can get the WR the ball. Which is good because without that a WR is just a decoy and a crappy run blocker. They have better management.

Come back when they've played an entire season or three rather than 3 whole games. Until then you have to rely on history. Who was it that won the best WR awards in college football? Oh yeah.

If comparing what Roy is doing in Detroit to what Fitz (hasnt done anything yet) is doing in Arizona is an exercise in futility, then what do you call comparing college awards?

Same thing. Bottom line is that Roy is proving right now vs NFL talent that he is a gamer. Fitz may end up better, but as of right now, the edge goes to Roy.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Comparing what Roy Williams is doing in Detroit versus what Fitzgerald is doing in Arizona is an exercise in futility.

Detroit, while not an NFL juggernaut, is leaps and bounds ahead of Arizona. They have a coach established in his second year (kinda like Parcells, huh?). They have an established offensive system. They have better personnel on both sides of the ball, most notably in the QB dept. where they have a 3rd year player who can get the WR the ball. Which is good because without that a WR is just a decoy and a crappy run blocker. They have better management.

Come back when they've played an entire season or three rather than 3 whole games. Until then you have to rely on history. Who was it that won the best WR awards in college football? Oh yeah.

I don't agree with this at all. Recent history starts in the NFL, not in college. You want proof, all you have to do is look at Tim Couch. Oh yeah, not something you probably want to factor in.

[HoustonSucks]

I have very high hopes for our Kalen. But Dante Hall was an Aggie. :D

[ABQCOWBOY]

I have very high hopes for our Kalen. But Dante Hall was an Aggie. :D


Well....... {heavy sigh} he still might be alright.

[GeneralPatton]

Comparing what Roy Williams is doing in Detroit versus what Fitzgerald is doing in Arizona is an exercise in futility.

With your criteria, All stats comparison in football is futile. Particularly, because every player has a different situation. But since it's a team sport, and not bowling (where the setup is the same everytime), you're stuck with it.

The General

[coach316]

With your criteria, All stats comparison in football is futile. Particularly, because every player has a different situation. But since it's a team sport, and not bowling (where the setup is the same everytime), you're stuck with it.

The General


Then why is there a debate on who the best RB in the NFL is every year? Sanders? Payton? Brown? Smith? Sayers?

According to you its stats so there shouldn't be any debate right?

What about QB? According to your criteria its Marino. But what about Montana and being a better leader and multiple SB rings, yada, yada, yada? Johnny U. doesn't have either of the above yet he always is argued as possibly the best in that debate.

[T-New41]

If anyone had the misfortune of watching the Cardinals/Falcons game yesterday, Fitz isn't going to do very will w/ Josh McNown at QB. He was doing his best Chad Hutchinson impression (2 pocket fumbles). He looked so bad, that when Denny Green put Shaun King in the game, he actually looked like a HUGE upgrade.


Do you wonder if Denny doesnt regret passing up Rivers or Rothlesberger now? No doubt Fitz will be good when he gets healthy, but the Cards already had Boldin and Johnson, two very good receivers (one day maybe elite for Boldin at least). You dont get chances at a franchise QB very often. Of course the way AZ is going, they may get their franchise QB next year

[ABQCOWBOY]

Then why is there a debate on who the best RB in the NFL is every year? Sanders? Payton? Brown? Smith? Sayers?

According to you its stats so there shouldn't be any debate right?

What about QB? According to your criteria its Marino. But what about Montana and being a better leader and multiple SB rings, yada, yada, yada? Johnny U. doesn't have either of the above yet he always is argued as possibly the best in that debate.

I'm fine with comparing players college careers to one another. I'm not OK with saying a players college career is proof that he is or will be better then someone who is doing it in the Pros.

I'm confused on the whole Johnny U thing. Are you saying that he didn't have a great career throwing the ball? Are you saying that he never won championships?

What are you saying?

[Doomsday101]

I'm fine with comparing players college careers to one another. I'm not OK with saying a players college career is proof that he is or will be better then someone who is doing it in the Pros.

I'm confused on the whole Johnny U thing. Are you saying that he didn't have a great career throwing the ball? Are you saying that he never won championships?

What are you saying?

I would agree, comparing college players to college players is one thing but comparing college players to pros is a different situations and more times than not those who make such statments end up looking foolish. Just as Arrington was going to be the next LT, Arrington is a good player but no where close to being a player like LT.

[Waffle]

I have very high hopes for our Kalen. But Dante Hall was an Aggie. :D
OH yeah...My bad! :D

[coach316]

I'm confused on the whole Johnny U thing. Are you saying that he didn't have a great career throwing the ball? Are you saying that he never won championships?

What are you saying?

It's quite simple actually.

Johnny U doesn't have the stats Marino does.

Johnny U doesn't have the # of rings Montana has nor the acclaimed "composure" of a leader.

To go further, he isn't known for comeback heroics like Elway.

Yet he is continually mentioned in debates over the best ever NFL QB. Why is that I wonder? IF he doesn't have the stats?

[joseephuss]

It's quite simple actually.

Johnny U doesn't have the stats Marino does.

Johnny U doesn't have the # of rings Montana has nor the acclaimed "composure" of a leader.

To go further, he isn't known for comeback heroics like Elway.

Yet he is continually mentioned in debates over the best ever NFL QB. Why is that I wonder? IF he doesn't have the stats?

Johnny Unitas has good stats:
Among the league's all-time top 50
Pass attempts: 12
Completions: 16
Passing yards: 9
Passing TDs: 6

He also has championships. NFL titles and a Superbowl that was unfortanetly won against Dallas.

He was considered a composed leader.



It is way too early to compare the careers of Williams and Fitzgerald. Based on each of their solid college careers,they should both do well. Williams has started off well.

[Doomsday101]

Johnny Unitas has good stats:
Among the league's all-time top 50
Pass attempts: 12
Completions: 16
Passing yards: 9
Passing TDs: 6

He also has championships. NFL titles and a Superbowl that was unfortanetly won against Dallas.

He was considered a composed leader.



It is way too early to compare the careers of Williams and Fitzgerald. Based on each of their solid college careers,they should both do well. Williams has started off well.

Johnny U also still holds the record for consecutive games with a TD pass and this was in an era where the rules were not so favorable to QB's and WR as they are today.

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's quite simple actually.

Johnny U doesn't have the stats Marino does.

Johnny U doesn't have the # of rings Montana has nor the acclaimed "composure" of a leader.

To go further, he isn't known for comeback heroics like Elway.

Yet he is continually mentioned in debates over the best ever NFL QB. Why is that I wonder? IF he doesn't have the stats?

Wow, how old are you?

The fact of the matter is that Johnny Unitas threw for over 40 thousand yards. Thats alot even by todays standards. He has 290 TD passes, again, alot even by todays standards. To this day, he holds the record for most consecutive games with a TD pass (47). Probably never be broken. Won a couple of Championships, one of which (1958 Championship game) is consider possibly the best game of all time, marked by Unitas and his 7 straight completions to set up the tie (FG) only to be followed by an 80 yard drive, again, on the strength of Unitas to win it in OT. Unitas was known as the ultimate "cool under pressure" QB. The unquestioned leader of one of the all time great teams. Coined the phrase, "Talk is cheap, lets go play." All NFL eight years, MVP three years, 10 Pro Bowls.

Could ya be more wrong about one subject?

Do a little research guy.

[Doomsday101]

Wow, how old are you?

The fact of the matter is that Johnny Unitas threw for over 40 thousand yards. Thats alot even by todays standards. He has 290 TD passes, again, alot even by todays standards. To this day, he holds the record for most consecutive games with a TD pass (47). Probably never be broken. Won a couple of Championships, one of which (1958 Championship game) is consider possibly the best game of all time, marked by Unitas and his 7 straight completions to set up the tie (FG) only to be followed by an 80 yard drive, again, on the strength of Unitas to win it in OT. Unitas was known as the ultimate "cool under pressure" QB. The unquestioned leader of one of the all time great teams. Coined the phrase, "Talk is cheap, lets go play." All NFL eight years, MVP three years, 10 Pro Bowls.

Could ya be more wrong about one subject?

Do a little research guy.

And once again he did this in an era that was not as liberal with the passing rules as we see today, there was no bump rules, defenders could play WR physical until the ball was in the air.

[ABQCOWBOY]

And once again he did this in an era that was not as liberal with the passing rules as we see today, there was no bump rules, defenders could play WR physical until the ball was in the air.


Toss in the fact that OLs could not extned the arms or use there hands. Lastly, QBs didn't wear dresses as a standard part of the uniform and you start to really appriciate what this man accomplished.

But, what the heck do we know.

[jimmy40]

It's quite simple actually.

Johnny U doesn't have the stats Marino does.

Johnny U doesn't have the # of rings Montana has nor the acclaimed "composure" of a leader.

To go further, he isn't known for comeback heroics like Elway.

Yet he is continually mentioned in debates over the best ever NFL QB. Why is that I wonder? IF he doesn't have the stats?Not a leader? He called his own plays and was damn good at it. I would say that is pretty composed.

[jimmy40]

I don't think he was the best WR coming out. That is Larry Fitzgerald. I do think he is a heck of a player that is going to only get better with time and a legit 2nd WR if Rogers ever gets healthy.

Hard to judge Fitz with the QB he has in Zona.
jterrell= Longhorn hater

[Doomsday101]

jterrell= Longhorn hater

Not to mention it did not hurt Anquan Boldin and his 101 catches for over 1300 yards being a member of the Cards.

[jimmy40]

RW is a heck of a receiver and he will be a good one throughout his career. But Fitzgerald is better right now, because of his maturity and the exposure he had while growing up around Cris Carter , Jake Reed and Randy Moss. Right now it really is no question who is better. Fitzgerald is, not hands down but he is better.

Fitzgerald is injured right now, both guys QBs are equal in my opinion. When I'd say Fitzgerald would have the better career because he will have Anquan Bolden on the other side along with Bryan Johnson, while RW has Charles Rodgers who has to be able to get his body healthy to absorb the rigors NFL football.

But Once he is able to stay healthy he and RW will be a very good tandem also. But they are more of a big play tandem, which is good, but Fitz and Bolden will always be more polished than RW and CR.

The Cardinals tandem is smoother in their route running and getting open, fluid.

The more I think about it, the more I lean toward Fitzgerald.How fluid do your routes to the trainer's table need to be?

[coach316]

Reading comprehension is obviously not a strong suit for this group.

Where did I say that Unitas DIDN'T have stats?

Where did I say that Unitas DIDN'T have championships?

Where did I say that Unitas WASN'T a leader?


Oh that's right....silly me....it's because I didn't say any of those things.


What I did say was that Unitas' stats aren't as big as Marino's.

What I did say was that Unitas didn't have as many rings as Montana.

What I did say was that Unitas isn't considered to be known for his leadership composure the way "Joe Cool" is.


Which led me to ask the question, which has yet to be answered by the self-anointed geniuses in this thread, if Unitas isn't the best in each of those areas why does he get mentioned in debates about the best NFL QB?

It's because he is near the top in ALL of the qualities it takes to be a great QB.


But hey, thanks for your defense of Unitas, and proving my point that stats isn't the only way to compare football players and their abilities/greatness. :cool:

[jimmy40]

Reading comprehension is obviously not a strong suit for this group.

Where did I say that Unitas DIDN'T have stats?

Where did I say that Unitas DIDN'T have championships?

Where did I say that Unitas WASN'T a leader?


Oh that's right....silly me....it's because I didn't say any of those things.


What I did say was that Unitas' stats aren't as big as Marino's.

What I did say was that Unitas didn't have as many rings as Montana.

What I did say was that Unitas isn't considered to be known for his leadership composure the way "Joe Cool" is.


Which led me to ask the question, which has yet to be answered by the self-anointed geniuses in this thread, if Unitas isn't the best in each of those areas why does he get mentioned in debates about the best NFL QB?

It's because he is near the top in ALL of the qualities it takes to be a great QB.


But hey, thanks for your defense of Unitas, and proving my point that stats isn't the only way to compare football players and their abilities/greatness. :cool:If you think Unitas wasn't as composed as Montana you're in a minority of one.

[Banned_n_austin]

is not a great pick for Detroit? I know there were a few out there. Anybody still think he wasn't the best WR coming out last year?

Give the guy a year or two and a cycle of steroids and you've got another Terrell Owens on your hands.

;)

The guy is a great player.

Yes, he is the best WR coming out of last year - hands down.

[Cbz40]

Unitas was as composed as any QB that I have ever see play the game.. I can't think of any QB that was any better in the 2 min. drill than Unitas.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Reading comprehension is obviously not a strong suit for this group.

Where did I say that Unitas DIDN'T have stats?

Where did I say that Unitas DIDN'T have championships?

Where did I say that Unitas WASN'T a leader?


Oh that's right....silly me....it's because I didn't say any of those things.


What I did say was that Unitas' stats aren't as big as Marino's.

What I did say was that Unitas didn't have as many rings as Montana.

What I did say was that Unitas isn't considered to be known for his leadership composure the way "Joe Cool" is.


Which led me to ask the question, which has yet to be answered by the self-anointed geniuses in this thread, if Unitas isn't the best in each of those areas why does he get mentioned in debates about the best NFL QB?

It's because he is near the top in ALL of the qualities it takes to be a great QB.


But hey, thanks for your defense of Unitas, and proving my point that stats isn't the only way to compare football players and their abilities/greatness. :cool:


Perhaps the problem here "Coach" is not our ability to read or comprehend. Perhaps your abilit (or should I say, inability) to actually get your desired point across is the issue here.

I wouldn't sugar coat it with just a "silly me". Just go on out there on a limb and call yourself a so you can be done with it.


LOL...... yeah, we don't know what were talking about... LOL......... yeah, OK then.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Give the guy a year or two and a cycle of steroids and you've got another Terrell Owens on your hands.

;)

The guy is a great player.

Yes, he is the best WR coming out of last year - hands down.


LOL,

Yeah, probably sad but true.

[joseephuss]

Perhaps the problem here "Coach" is not our ability to read or comprehend. Perhaps your abilit (or should I say, inability) to actually get your desired point across is the issue here.

I wouldn't sugar coat it with just a "silly me". Just go on out there on a limb and call yourself a so you can be done with it.


LOL...... yeah, we don't know what were talking about... LOL......... yeah, OK then.

That's funny.

[GeneralPatton]

But hey, thanks for your defense of Unitas, and proving my point that stats isn't the only way to compare football players and their abilities/greatness. :cool:

I think you weren't paying attention. People got on you because you said stats were useless, If that's not what you meant to say then just clarify.

The General

[coach316]

I think you weren't paying attention. People got on you because you said stats were useless, If that's not what you meant to say then just clarify.

The General


I'm not paying attention?

Somebody made the argument that Roy Williams was the best WR in the draft and based their argument on stats from THREE friggin' games.

I countered the argument that you can't base a players ability on stats alone and fortified my statement by saying that Johnny U IS one of the greatest QB's regardless of not being the best in all stats.

Suddenly you get 2-3 people saying "Unitas IS TOO one of the greatest QB's!" Really? Thanks, Captain Obvious, I just said that.

[DizzG]

RW was the best receiver in the draft

anyone with two eyes can see this guy is just a MAN out on the field

He doesnt even look like a rookie and big, tall, strong AND fast

Jimmy Johnson recently said he is already one of the best receivers in the league and that there wouldnt be many other receivers he would take in front of RW if picking a team