Cowher to redskins?

[Twyst]

Listed on the PFT rumor mill, so could be completely fabricated because they miss on stories almost as often as they hit, but it is the offseason after all



COACH CHIN PLOTTING HIS RETURN?
A league source tells us that there is already talk in league circles that former Steelers coach Bill Cowher is planning his potential return to the NFL. Per the source, Cowher already has spoken with multiple teams about filling a potential vacancy in 2008.
The source also says that one of Cowher's demands will be full control over the football operations.
The teams, the source says, are believed to be the Browns, Redskins, and Panthers. Another league source confirms that Cowher has had at least one private discussion with Redskins owner Daniel Snyder about the possibility of replacing Hall of Famer Joe Gibbs, if Gibbs calls it quits after the 2007 season.
We're also told that Cowher has begun the process of discreetly lining up a personnel executive to run the front office, subject to Cowher's final say on all roster moves. Per the source, the list includes Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert, Steelers business operations coordinator Omar Khan, Chiefs executive vice president and COO Denny Thum, and Saints vice president of football administration Russ Ball.
Is any of this surprising? Yes, but no. With Cowher expected to be the hottest commodity on the coaching market come January 2008, teams that think they might have a coming opening would be stoopid not to commence the process of seeing what it would take to get him.
Money is a key component in this regard. We've yet to hear anything about Cowher's expected salary, but we suspect he's hoping to get at least as much as Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren (who is in the $7.5 million to $8.5 million range), given that Cowher beat the Big Show in the Big Show less than 18 months ago.

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[Wrangler87]

Unfortunately, I can see it. It's certainly close enough to his Carolina home, if compared to Cleveland. Out of the three, I expect that Snyder would throw anything it would take, short of Fed Ex field to get him. The other two possibilities would not. The wildcard here may be the Giants.

[Cajuncowboy]

I'll bet he ends up in Cleveland

[Roughneck]

Cowher working with Synder?

There would be more clashing there than Andy Reid and Rush Limbaugh fighting over a Cheesesteak.

[tideh20heel]

andy would win that one as rush has dropped about 75-100 pounds

[superpunk]

Allow me to outline Redskins' fans talking points (in advance) if this were to go down.

"How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the league..."

etc.....etc.....

Carolina is more likely. I think they're getting disillusioned with Fox.

[Roughneck]

andy would win that one as rush has dropped about 75-100 poundsDropped 75-100?

So what's he down to, like 650?

[skinsngibbs4life]

How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the league

[superpunk]

How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the league

https://proprintwear.com/images/Touche%20Fit%20Trim%20Black%20Shorts%202.jpg.....m r skins fan...

[Hostile]

How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the leagueSo, this is a done deal in your mind huh?

[bobtheflob]

Cowher working with Synder?

There would be more clashing there than Andy Reid and Rush Limbaugh fighting over a Cheesesteak.

They said the same thing (well maybe worded a little differently) about Jones and Parcells.

[apickmans]

How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the league

damn u beat me to it.

[Hostile]

damn u beat me to it.It's a done deal in your mind too huh?

You guys slay me with the delusions. I like Cowher, I wanted him here, but he's not your savior from Joe Gibbs.

[joseephuss]

It's a done deal in your mind too huh?

You guys slay me with the delusions. I like Cowher, I wanted him here, but he's not your savior from Joe Gibbs.

I thought Gibbs was the savior. How can you be a savior to a savior?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

andy would win that one as rush has dropped about 75-100 pounds

amazing what using fake names to get ED medicines and sex tourism jaunts to the Dominican Republic will do to one's waist line.

[apickmans]

It's a done deal in your mind too huh?

You guys slay me with the delusions. I like Cowher, I wanted him here, but he's not your savior from Joe Gibbs.

No I was just saying that Skinggibbs beat me to that post that he made. I'm impartial to Cowher at this moment. I wont even think about him unless Gibbs retires first. His reputation speaks for itself.

[Hostile]

I thought Gibbs was the savior. How can you be a savior to a savior?Sometimes the salvation is worse than the damnation.

:D

[Twyst]

unless Gibbs retires first. His reputation speaks for itself.Cough * Bill Parcells * Cough

[Hostile]

Cough * Bill Parcells * CoughThank you for the kick in the nads.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Cowher to the Redskins isn't likely, for a couple of reasons...

1. The owner is Daniel Synder

2. He would prefer something closer to his North Carolina home, i.e. the "Carolina" Panthers. John Fox is definitely on the hot seat down there.

[ENGCowboy]

Cleveland sounds likely if its a purely football decision, they already have a lot of the pieces in place to make them sucessful plus they are almost a carbon copy of pittsburgh personal & gameplan wise.

[rmahler]

Cleveland sounds likely if its a purely football decision, they already have a lot of the pieces in place to make them sucessful plus they are almost a carbon copy of pittsburgh personal & gameplan wise.

The memory gets foggy at this age but didn't Cowher play in Cleveland for a short time as a special teams player back in the day?

[Big Dakota]

How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the league


What's the matter, your super smart coach who works his guts out can't get it done? Washed up old POS.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Cowher to the Redskins isn't likely, for a couple of reasons...

1. The owner is Daniel Synder

2. He would prefer something closer to his North Carolina home, i.e. the "Carolina" Panthers. John Fox is definitely on the hot seat down there.

+1 :)

[Tricky-22]

How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the league

:laugh2:

Thats funny right there....I don't care who you are.

[THUMPER]

Cowher to the Redskins isn't likely, for a couple of reasons...

1. The owner is Daniel Synder

2. He would prefer something closer to his North Carolina home, i.e. the "Carolina" Panthers. John Fox is definitely on the hot seat down there.

I disagree. I live in NC and Fox is very well liked and highly thought of by the fans and the media here. He is one of the top HCs in the league but injuries have killed the Panthers the last few years. I don't know who thinks he is on the "hot seat" but it isn't anyone around here.

If the timing would have been better he would have taken the UNC job but Butch Davis was available before Cowher was so he got the job.

[BouncingCheese]

Could happen... the 'Skins pay boatloads of dough for their headcoaches, and Cowher would be the best availible if he came out of retirement.

Cowher said he wanted to spend time with his kids and wife, but we all know the drill. We all want time off but maybe not to that extent that he now has. I am sure if cowher could have it in a perfect world he could coach AND have time to see him daughters and wife. That will never happen; Cowher loves this game too much. He will be back coaching in the next two years I think, and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he went to the skins. They are about to be in disarray if they are not already, and Cowher has an ego big enough to think he can fix them.

I just want to see how well he does without those awesome coordinators he had in Pittsburgh that helped to make him an IMHO overrated coach.

[5Stars]

What's the matter, your super smart coach who works his guts out can't get it done? Washed up old POS.


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[burmafrd]

THere is no way - after working with the Rooneys- that Chin would have anything to do with the Mad Dwarf.

[silverbear]

Unfortunately, I can see it. It's certainly close enough to his Carolina home, if compared to Cleveland. Out of the three, I expect that Snyder would throw anything it would take, short of Fed Ex field to get him. The other two possibilities would not. The wildcard here may be the Giants.

I don't see Danny Boy letting any other coach than Gibbs have the kind of authority that Cowher will apparently be demanding, though... particularly not when giving Gibbs all that authority hasn't worked out too well...

[silverbear]

andy would win that one as rush has dropped about 75-100 pounds

I guess all those pain meds depressed his appetite...

Better living through chemistry... :D

[silverbear]

Thank you for the kick in the nads.

Man, there's no pleasing you-- just a coupla days ago, you were complaining that you were the one doing all the kicking, now somebody jumps in to give you a hand, and are you appreciative??

NOOOOOOOOO...

[juck]

How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the leaguelolololololol,omg cowher sucked here in pittsburgh for so many years,and number 2 he had great assistant coaching when he finally did win.he isnt all that.

[VA Cowboy]

Redskins fans already wanting to run Gibbs out of town??? :laugh2:

First the 'ol ball coach and then the great HOFer himself. I wonder how long it'll take Cowher to get run out if he's next in line?

[jrumann59]

Of all the NFC teams named, Carolina may have enough players to do the switch to the 3-4 more smoothly, DC would have to to really re-work their line and LB. As much as I would like to say Cleveland, I don't think he would do that to Rooney.

[BouncingCheese]

lolololololol,omg cowher sucked here in pittsburgh for so many years,and number 2 he had great assistant coaching when he finally did win.he isnt all that.

:bow: Thank you!

Just what I said; a person from PA who is level-headed enough to see really how good (or average) Cowher is.

People forget how maligned and ****-on this guy would have been had he choked that SB two years ago, like he pretty much did with all those damn AFC championship games.

Let him go to the 'Skins and let him try to be their savior. It will probably work out as "well" as the Joe Gibbs revival. :laugh2: :laugh2: :gassy2:

[apickmans]

lolololololol,omg cowher sucked here in pittsburgh for so many years,and number 2 he had great assistant coaching when he finally did win.he isnt all that.

u do realize that skinsgibbs was posting that as a joke, referring to what Superpunk thought every redskin fan would say if we indeed did get Cowher. cmon people.

[ThreeSportStar80]

I disagree. I live in NC and Fox is very well liked and highly thought of by the fans and the media here. He is one of the top HCs in the league but injuries have killed the Panthers the last few years. I don't know who thinks he is on the "hot seat" but it isn't anyone around here.

If the timing would have been better he would have taken the UNC job but Butch Davis was available before Cowher was so he got the job.

His job isn't secure in Carolina...

[THUMPER]

His job isn't secure in Carolina...

Based on....?

[jobberone]

u do realize that skinsgibbs was posting that as a joke, referring to what Superpunk thought every redskin fan would say if we indeed did get Cowher. cmon people.

I got it. And it was funny.

I don't want Cowher's there. I think he's better than average. I'd rather Danny boy hire some hot college coach who will promptly fall on his arse.

Anyone who takes the Skin's job the next few years is in for rough sledding. I wouldn't go there. Even a few million would not be worth it to me if I was a coach with Cowher's rep. He can probably work as a HC until he's 70 even with half way good results. The Skin's job is gonna be hard on reputations for awhile. You guys have to get out of draft jail.

[CowboyChris]

Cowher to the Skins would be a bad fit, one of the main reasons Cowher was successful in Pitt was because the Steelers always had solid drafts. thats something the Skins cant figure out or refuse to do.

[Royal Laegotti]

How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the league


Hmmm....I seem to remember Redskids fans saying something like this 3 years ago, and 2 years before that. Ya'll ain't never gonna win with that twit for an owner, no matter who the coach is, so good luck with all that.

:laugh2:

[CrazyCowboy]

That owner will try anything......once

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have to say that the quote that a couple skins fans were repeating...AS A JOKE...following up to SP has really caught a few here and they just went into attack mode.

:laugh2:

Not sure how to score it.

Should SP get all the bonus points for starting it?
Should the skins fans get bonus points for following up on it?

Should the other posters who did not realize, until afterwards, that it was a joke and went into attack mode get the bonus points.

Well...SP gets them, he started the ball rolling at the party.
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[superpunk]

I have to say that the quote that a couple skins fans were repeating...AS A JOKE...following up to SP has really caught a few here and they just went into attack mode.

:laugh2:

Not sure how to score it.

Should SP get all the bonus points for starting it?
Should the skins fans get bonus points for following up on it?

Should the other posters who did not realize, until afterwards, that it was a joke and went into attack mode get the bonus points.

Well...SP gets them, he started the ball rolling at the party.
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I think mostly what it illustrates, is that noone reads my lameass posts.

Except Redskins fans.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think mostly what it illustrates, is that noone reads my lameass posts.

Except Redskins fans.

Keep your friends close, your enemies closer?:laugh2:

[DCBoysfan]

It could happen...thats just how it goes but I think that if the Panthers job open up he would go there..but then again Danny Boy can throw a boat load of money at him. But Coach Gibbs has always said he will work thru his five year contract. He doesn't want to leave Washington on a losing note.

[DCBoysfan]

lolololololol,omg cowher sucked here in pittsburgh for so many years,and number 2 he had great assistant coaching when he finally did win.he isnt all that.

I can't agree with that I dont want him in Washington but he is an excellent coach

[DCBoysfan]

How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the league


:laugh2: :laugh2: they keep stopping themselves

[dogunwo]

Allow me to outline Redskins' fans talking points (in advance) if this were to go down.

"How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the league..."

etc.....etc.....

Carolina is more likely. I think they're getting disillusioned with Fox.
I would say Carolina is the most likely of course, with his new home in Raliegh, and his desire to stay close to the area.

[dogunwo]

I disagree. I live in NC and Fox is very well liked and highly thought of by the fans and the media here. He is one of the top HCs in the league but injuries have killed the Panthers the last few years. I don't know who thinks he is on the "hot seat" but it isn't anyone around here.

If the timing would have been better he would have taken the UNC job but Butch Davis was available before Cowher was so he got the job.
I would disagree with that. I live in Charlotte and John Fox and Marty Hurney have been catching lots of heat the last two seasons. Fans are clinging desperately to the SuperBowl appearance, but it hasn't and won't be enough to save Fox's job if Cowher becomes available. I am sure it will be a quick decision to fire John Fox if the Panthers don't make the playoffs, or stumble in and lose quickly.

[dogunwo]

It could happen...thats just how it goes but I think that if the Panthers job open up he would go there..but then again Danny Boy can throw a boat load of money at him. But Coach Gibbs has always said he will work thru his five year contract. He doesn't want to leave Washington on a losing note.
He isnt going to have much of a choice, lol.

[iceberg]

How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the league

now that was funny.

[THUMPER]

I would disagree with that. I live in Charlotte and John Fox and Marty Hurney have been catching lots of heat the last two seasons. Fans are clinging desperately to the SuperBowl appearance, but it hasn't and won't be enough to save Fox's job if Cowher becomes available. I am sure it will be a quick decision to fire John Fox if the Panthers don't make the playoffs, or stumble in and lose quickly.

If the Panthers don't do well this year then I agree he would be on the hotseat but their failures the last couple of years have been due mostly to injuries than anything under Fox's control. Losing both RBs a couple of years in a row hurt but they still were able to play well with scrubs. They have lost Jenkins twice in a row, been hurting at DB and WR and their O-Line has been riddled with injuries.

If the Panthers are foolish enough to let Fox go I would sign him in a heartbeat in Dallas. He has performed miracles with the Panthers considering what he has had to work with from a health standpoint.

I also agree that Cowher would like to stay close to his home here in Raleigh but you can't always get what you want. Washington isn't that much further than Charlotte from Raleigh, certainly not by plane, so I don't see a whole lot of difference there and they need someone while I don't believe Carolina does.

He could fool everyone and take the NC State job when it open up.

[MS17]

I also live in Raleigh and saw Cowher give a talk at a local sports gathering last month. His daughter's a HS junior next year here, and he really wants to be close enough to spend time here, go to her basketball games, etc. Cowher mentioned that he's on the CBS Sunday pre-game show next season. I agree with Thumper and others that DC proximity wise isnt much further than Charlotte from his home, so that's not the issue as far as which organization he's mulling. Said he was reading more now and actually learning to play the piano and becoming a house husband, if you can believe that.
Got to meet him and shake hands, and I have to say he seems like a great guy. I wouldnt bet the ranch that he'll be jumping to the NFL in 2008/2009; he may take a few years off, but who knows.

[Twyst]

I seriously dont get the cowher love to be honest. he was there a LONG time and the team was nothing more than mediocre most of the time he was there. Even the year they won the superbowl they were far from the best team in the league IMO. I like cowher, but I dont think he is a top tier coach.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I seriously dont get the cowher love to be honest. he was there a LONG time and the team was nothing more than mediocre most of the time he was there. Even the year they won the superbowl they were far from the best team in the league IMO. I like cowher, but I dont think he is a top tier coach.

With what he has done, with what he has had. I think he is a pretty darn good coach.

People may not follow steelers football in any ways but since I live in an area that is mostly steeler fans and they play every stinking Steeler, Bengals and browns games every sunday...you get to hear many things from their fans.

The steelers organization, believe it or not, is in a small market area. They are also known for letting players go when they want big contracts. They only keep a select few top tier players anymore because they don't want to push out the moulah.

They tend to have a high turn around on players over the years on defense but seem to be able to draft and coach players to fill in those positions.

Now I am not saying the guy is comparable to the great HCs like landry, shula and so on. But I think he is pretty good and I honestly think if he was with a team that was willing to pay their top players when they come due he would do well.

He has had good success with a multitude of different assistants and I imagine he could attract many assistants to help him if he decided to come back in the game.

So he may not be a great hall of fame type HC, but I think he is far from below or even just average IMO.

[GimmeTheBall!]

I would think the Chin would be smarter than to go into that hell hole of Washington. And with that idiot owner.
Same hole that has used and spit out Spurrier and pretty soon Gibbs.
The Chin spent years building his team into Super Bowl contenders. I imagine it would take a minimum of five years to get Washington into Super Bowl shape but by that time he'd be too tired from being around Snyder to want to stay in.

[Hostile]

Playing or coaching in Washington is no longer about winning. It's about collecting a large signing bonus. Period.

[BouncingCheese]

How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the league

Wasn't that the exact same ish that you guys were spewing :puke: when Gibbs came back? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!

I say let you guys have Cowher; he doesn't have Mike Tomlin or Ken Wisenhunt, or any of the other brilliant Coordinators there to help anymore now does he?

You have Joe Bugel as an "asst. head coach-offense"

Wait didn't you guys have a "safties coach" ? :laugh2: (sorry had to jab that one in there)

Al saunders as your "assosciate head coach/offense"


http://www.nfl.com/teams/coaching/WAS All these stupid titles are ridiculous.

By the way; your HC doesn't do anything on the field anymore except for saying "we are gonna go for it" or "kick a field goal" because he relinquished his play calling on offense to Saunders and on defense to Williams.

I would hope Cowher gets to call ALL of the plays; that would be fun to watch....

[superpunk]

I think mostly what it illustrates, is that noone reads my lameass posts.

Except Redskins fans.

It's because you're an idiot. Why don't you go eat some Cheez-itz and quit bothering people?

[Hostile]

It's because you're an idiot. Why don't you go eat some Cheez-itz and quit bothering people?You got some Cheez-itz?

[BrAinPaiNt]

You got some Cheez-itz?

Don't bother...he is a selfish guy who will not share.

[Gryphon]

The Redskins have issued a statement on their official team website denying a Profootballtalk.com report that owner Daniel Snyder has already met with Bill Cowher regarding a head-coaching job for 2008.

"No one at the Washington Redskins has had any meetings or discussions with Bill Cowher or anyone else regarding any coaching position with the Redskins," the statement reads. A likely response. The 'Skins would never admit that Joe Gibbs might be on his way out after the coming season.
Source: redskins.com

[peplaw06]

Cower to the Skins? Nah, they don't skur me none.

[dalboy]

he going to go to the bucs or the browns

[AmishCowboy]

No way does Cowher go from the Rooney's to Danny Boy!, if it were to:star: happen it would last one year, tops.

[juck]

I seriously dont get the cowher love to be honest. he was there a LONG time and the team was nothing more than mediocre most of the time he was there. Even the year they won the superbowl they were far from the best team in the league IMO. I like cowher, but I dont think he is a top tier coach.
same about peyton.he had reggie bush fall into his lap which is completely fishy still to me this day,and got brees.the defense is putrid.The cream will rise to the top and the cinderella slippers will be returned,back to the lunchbags mr.

[silverbear]

Don't bother...he is a selfish guy who will not share.

Aw man, ain't nothin' lower than a guy who'll get you all worked up for some Cheez-its, then bogart the box...

[silverbear]

No way does Cowher go from the Rooney's to Danny Boy!, if it were to:star: happen it would last one year, tops.


Actually, it could work-- Cowher's tall enough that when he gets to spittin' his words out, the spittle will fly right over Danny Boy's head, no harm done... and since the Mad Midget wouldn't come up to Cowher's chin, he wouldn't be in any danger from that massive shelf stickin' out below Bill's lower lip...

[DallasEast]

Actually, it could work-- Cowher's tall enough that when he gets to spittin' his words out, the spittle will fly right over Danny Boy's head, no harm done... and since the Mad Midget wouldn't come up to Cowher's chin, he wouldn't be in any danger from that massive shelf stickin' out below Bill's lower lip...Ah, but if they were arguing for a long time within a water-tight room, Snyder would eventually drown. Didn't think of that, did ya, Silverbear?

;)

[iceberg]

How are you going to stop us now? We've got one of the greatest coaches of all time. Look what he did with Pittsburgh over the long haul, keeping them winning while the owners refused to spend. We've got an owner that will spend whatever it takes. You can't imagine the carnage we're going to inflict on the league

I have to say that the quote that a couple skins fans were repeating...AS A JOKE...following up to SP has really caught a few here and they just went into attack mode.

:laugh2:

Not sure how to score it.

Should SP get all the bonus points for starting it?
Should the skins fans get bonus points for following up on it?

Should the other posters who did not realize, until afterwards, that it was a joke and went into attack mode get the bonus points.

Well...SP gets them, he started the ball rolling at the party.
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i caught it and thought it was darn funny of the skins fan. i think they get the points for the guys here that didn't catch it and thought he was serious. ya gotta keep up in this world!

[trickblue]

I think people are forgetting that Cowher's best friend is Marty Shottenheimer. Cowher is known as being a loyal guy and probably doesn't appreciate the way that Marty was treated by Danny...

I think that Carolina is a distinct possibility if the Panthers falter again. Add in the fact that Cowher wanted to go home to North Carolina...