PFT: More Details on Nick Barnett Arrest

[WoodysGirl]

POSTED 8:55 a.m. EDT, June 22, 2007
MORE DETAILS ON NICK BARNETT ARREST by Michael David Smith

Details are coming out about the arrest of Packers linebacker Nick Barnett, and they're a good reminder of why so many NFL coaches tell their players just not to go out to bars, nightclubs, strip clubs and other places with big crowds and flowing booze.

John Lee of Gannett Newspapers quotes one of the co-owners of the establishment where Barnett was arrested as saying that Barnett had a drink thrown in his face (http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070622/GPG0101/706220582/1989) shortly before he was arrested for allegedly shoving a woman.

Lee quotes Kathy Peotter, co-owner of the nightclub, as describing a scene in which a half-dozen Packers showed up to the club that night after Brett Favre's charity softball game, and "they just want to be left alone." Peotter said one fan who wanted an autograph swore at a Packers player, and that another grabbed Barnett's arm while attempting to get an autograph. And then there's the drink to the face.

None of that excuses a 232-pound linebacker shoving a woman, and if Barnett did what he's accused of doing, he deserves to face both NFL discipline and legal trouble (the district attorney's office says it will be a week or more before there's a decision on whether to formally charge Barnett). But it's easy to understand how NFL players who go out to a bar just want to be left alone, and how an NFL player who goes out not looking for trouble can end up in trouble after he's been sworn at, grabbed, and had a drink thrown at him.

And that's the whole point. NFL coaches are always telling their players that even if they're not looking for trouble, they can end up in trouble. These are rich guys. They've got nice, big houses. If they want to get together, socialize and not be bothered by fans, they'd be wise to do it at a player's house. And call a cab if they have anything to drink.

[Cajuncowboy]

The continuing parade of stupid NFL players just amazes me.

Every single one of them grew up dreaming of being the next Johnny U or Staubach or Jerry Rice or whatever. They want the fame, the money, the girl and all that goes with it.

Yet they say they want to go out and be left alone.

WHAT?

You want to be famous, rich and all that but you want to go out and be left alone?

Then when they do go out and they get asked for autographs when they are out, they act like it's some big invasion of their personal space.

Now, I can understand they want to be left alone especially when they are with their family at a family establishment, but going to a bar and expecting that is absurd.

That doesn't excuse the drink in the face or grabbing the guys arm, although I'm not sure how much damage a woman could do to an NFL linebacker by grabbing him, but these guys have to understand the rules are different for them. Plus what kind of a jerk pushes a woman anyway? No man should ever put his hands on a woman to harm her for any reason and that part of it makes this guy an even bigger jerk, regardless of what she did.

They know that the new Commish is coming down on this kind of stuff, yet they put themselves in this position.

Totally moronic and if he gets suspended for a game then he deserves for being stupid.

[sago1]

The idea of doing it at another player's house sounds good but I can understand these guys just want to go out, have a beer or 2 and relax. They just need to understand that the price of being an NFL is being a target for fans who want their autographs and others who just want to stire up trouble which too many of NFL players won't walk away from.

Should wait until the facts are all in to determine what kind of punishment it warrants. If he's never been in trouble before & just (lightly?) pushing a woman doesn't warrant a suspension but the coaching staff needs to get on these players and point out Barnett as an example of what can happen.

Reality is that NFL players aren't and never can be just like other people particularly where booze is freely flowing.

[stasheroo]

I think this article gives some insight into the restrictions on players - and celebrities in general.

You don't have to go out 'looking for trouble' to find it.

But it's easy to find if you're looking for it.

And I don't have sympathy for this 'plight' but I understand it. And it comes as part of the 'big money' package so those in that position have to deal with it.

And anyone tired of dealing with it can change professions.

Then nobody will care what they do.

[sacase]

Sorry if the woman threw the drink in his face and he shoved her, there should be no charges filed. In fact, they could file against her since she assulted him. No sympathy for her at all.


Side note - I never got the point of getting someone's autograph. I mean, so what, they signed a piece of paper, it doesn't mean you actually know them. I guess I am immune to grouppieitus

[onetrickpony]

It goes beyond just fans looking for a free autograph. Greedy people are always looking for a free meal ticket. Antagonizing a rich celebrity into doing something stupid is free money in today's court system.

Heck, if I was drunk enough in a bar I might just go for it myself, except that I don't drink or go to bars.

;)

[DallasEast]

The continuing parade of stupid NFL players just amazes me.

Every single one of them grew up dreaming of being the next Johnny U or Staubach or Jerry Rice or whatever. They want the fame, the money, the girl and all that goes with it.

Yet they say they want to go out and be left alone.

WHAT?

You want to be famous, rich and all that but you want to go out and be left alone?

Then when they do go out and they get asked for autographs when they are out, they act like it's some big invasion of their personal space.

Now, I can understand they want to be left alone especially when they are with their family at a family establishment, but going to a bar and expecting that is absurd.

That doesn't excuse the drink in the face or grabbing the guys arm, although I'm not sure how much damage a woman could do to an NFL linebacker by grabbing him, but these guys have to understand the rules are different for them. Plus what kind of a jerk pushes a woman anyway? No man should ever put his hands on a woman to harm her for any reason and that part of it makes this guy an even bigger jerk, regardless of what she did.

They know that the new Commish is coming down on this kind of stuff, yet they put themselves in this position.

Totally moronic and if he gets suspended for a game then he deserves for being stupid.
I agree with everything except the part which I highlighted. It is an invasion of personal space--just as it would be for any other human being. Fame strips a person of their anonymity, but it does not remove a person's right to be treated with equal respect. People willfully choose to set aside the same respect they fully expect for themselves in public to satisfy their own personal pleasures. Still, that is something which a famous person like an NFL player does not always take for granted and ultimately pays the price for simply ignoring the obvious.

[notherbob]

Sorry if the woman threw the drink in his face and he shoved her, there should be no charges filed. In fact, they could file against her since she assulted him. No sympathy for her at all.


Side note - I never got the point of getting someone's autograph. I mean, so what, they signed a piece of paper, it doesn't mean you actually know them. I guess I am immune to grouppieitus

I agree, it appears to me that she and apparently others invaded the privacy of these players and then became beligerant and started trouble with them. I don't know anything about it but I think their autographs are worth money since a lot of people pay the noteworthies for their autograph and the barflies were just wanting something they could get money for and became angry when the players balked because they really didn't want to do it as they just wanted to hang with each other for a while undisturbed, not be part of a big todo - just my guess.

Just another reason why I wouldn't want to be famous, I enjoy my solitude and anonymity.

[DallasEast]

I agree, it appears to me that she and apparently others invaded the privacy of these players and then became beligerant and started trouble with them. I don't know anything about it but I think their autographs are worth money since a lot of people pay the noteworthies for their autograph and the barflies were just wanting something they could get money for and became angry when the players balked because they really didn't want to do it as they just wanted to hang with each other for a while undisturbed, not be part of a big todo - just my guess.

Just another reason why I wouldn't want to be famous, I enjoy my solitude and anonymity.It wouldn't surprise me if she had already intended to post his autograph on Ebay immediately afterwards. We may think his signature doesn't have any value, but there is always someone out there who will put a price on something we would consider worthless.

[CrazyCowboy]

It is unfortunate but true.....

[GlitzCowboy]

Well, now we know Nick Barnetts' name. Sadly, probably exactly what he wanted. He's the next NFL BadBoy in a long emerging list, and only had to slightly shove a woman to become get on it.

And yall from big cities, or those of you thinking you know what Green Bay is. Don't assume. This place is a pitstop on the road to empty. Nothing here. Trouble, if wanted, can be avoided quite easily. And yes, even for a NFL player or any other celebrity. It is a drop in the barrel compared to other cities. Literally. Laughable, really. Barnett was waiting for trouble and got it.

And to add; I believe it has to be alot worse then is being made of here. Green Bay protects their players, period. If the rest of the world knew the degree of drugs, drinking and affairs just Brett Favre has been associated with, but never hit the mainstream media, I believe it would blow people's minds. The simple fact that this is making headlines tells me it's more than just a simple shove. I need no more to make that assessment. It would have been pushed under the rug if it was nothing. No two ways about it. Cop probablly drives him home and asks for his autograph. The woman is in jail. That's how it plays up here unless it's something more.

And notice how the DA is going to take a sweet week to make up their decision. Nothing will come of this. Just some time needed to let it blow over. I imagine Packer personal is working overtime with the league right now, because that is a new twist in the system they suddenly have to worry about. They'll manage though, he'll get off scott-free.

[GlitzCowboy]

It wouldn't surprise me if she had already intended to post his autograph on Ebay immediately afterwards. We may think his signature doesn't have any value, but there is always someone out there who will put a price on something we would consider worthless.

And that should matter why? Once upon a time he was playing the game because he loves it. Now it's for a payday. For publicity. Who's immoral?

[Yeagermeister]

Even if she threw a drink in his face he should not have put his hands on her.

[Mash]

If these reports are true.....I have no sympathy for the women who was supposely pushed...

Because you are a celeb...athlete...etc...it still gives people no right to treat you as you have to owe them something......

Barnett should be pressing charges instead of the other way around.

[WoodysGirl]

Minor benefit of doubt, but maybe he was just reacting to the overly aggressive behavior. He didn't hit her, but he probably pushed her to get her away from him.

Full article from the link:

Woman tossed drink at Barnett, co-owner of nightclub says

Incident 'blown out of proportion,' according to Peotter

By John Lee
Gannett Wisconsin Newspapers


APPLETON — A woman threw a drink at Green Bay Packers linebacker Nick Barnett shortly before he was arrested last weekend for allegedly shoving a woman at a downtown nightclub, one of the establishment's co-owners said Thursday.


The co-owner, Kathy Peotter, also said she was not arguing with Barnett when police arrived at the nightclub Wet, 344 W. College Ave., and subsequently arrested him on a misdemeanor battery offense.


"I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion," Peotter said. "I'm not going to say Nick was on his best behavior that night, because he wasn't, but this is getting blown way out of proportion."


Peotter said Barnett has been coming into the club for months, and that there were more Packers than usual at the nightclub because of Sunday's Brett Favre charity softball game at Fox Cities Stadium. She said there were probably a half-dozen Packers in the club that night, at least two of them with their wives.


"They just want to be left alone," she said.


Peotter said two women who were trying to get an autograph from another player, who was at the club with his wife, swore at the player. Another fan grabbed Barnett's arm and asked for an autograph, she said.


One of the bartenders told Peotter that a woman threw a drink at Barnett shortly before a woman was shoved or fell to the ground. Peotter said it wasn't clear if it was the same woman involved in both incidents.


Barnett, 26, was jailed briefly early Sunday after the incident at the club, and Appleton police Sgt. Pat DeWall said Thursday that officers investigating the case still are conducting witness interviews. He said the department hopes reports can be sent to Outagamie County District Attorney Carrie Schneider's office early next week.


Schneider said it will be a week or more after she receives the report from police before she decides whether to formally charge Barnett.


"That's if I need additional follow-up and need to talk to witnesses any more," Schneider said.


Packers public relations director Jeff Blumb said the team would decline comment on the issue other than the extensive comments Packers coach Mike McCarthy made earlier in the week.


"I don't know if there is much we can say that he hasn't said anyway," Blumb said.


McCarthy said he has discussed the incident with Barnett. The team is concerned because of the NFL's new, stringent personal-conduct policy that allows the commissioner to suspend players for a wide range of illegal or untoward behavior off the field.


"I'm not going to sit here and go through the specifics of the incident," McCarthy said Monday. "But there's two sides to every story. I've listened to his side and we'll let the process take its course."

[Mash]

Sorry Yeg,

I disagree....man or women disrespects me...or hits me...u better expect the same returned...sorry...

Ive never hit a women....but Ive told many...u touch me...expect the same returned...

Too many times Ive seen women whail on a man at a bar and nothing is done....nothing...

What gives them the right? because they know most men wont ***** slap them back.

I guess...these celebs...or...athletes could always have one women bouncer protecting them....then...if something like this happens....it will be considered ok...since its two women fighting.

[AbeBeta]

Sorry Yeg,

I disagree....man or women disrespects me...or hits me...u better expect the same returned...sorry...

Ive never hit a women....but Ive told many...u touch me...expect the same returned...

Too many times Ive seen women whail on a man at a bar and nothing is done....nothing...

What gives them the right? because they know most men wont ***** slap them back.

I guess...these celebs...or...athletes could always have one women bouncer protecting them....then...if something like this happens....it will be considered ok...since its two women fighting.

There is the honorable path ... and then there is your path.

Cowards hit women.

[Mash]

I never hit a women....ever....

I just warned them....big difference....

Sorry...just dont have any respect for a women taking advantage of that moral rule.

Also...I wonder if its ok....for a 300 pound man to beat a 100 weakling....because....well....they are both men.

[BouncingCheese]

It's called a VIP section fellas... even the bums on the roster might be able to afford it if they do it sparsely enough.... lord knows Barnett has the money.

People are going to try and get a rise out of you, epecially the types of women that hang out at clubs ( though not certainly all of them by any strech) and NFL players and such should know that. They know the rules of engagement, they should know better than the push back so to speak... If you get a drink in your face and you don't fight back, people will definitely recognize you haven't hammered the guys face in and mauled him for a pretty darn good reason.

[Yeagermeister]

Sorry Yeg,

I disagree....man or women disrespects me...or hits me...u better expect the same returned...sorry...

Ive never hit a women....but Ive told many...u touch me...expect the same returned...

Too many times Ive seen women whail on a man at a bar and nothing is done....nothing...

What gives them the right? because they know most men wont ***** slap them back.

I guess...these celebs...or...athletes could always have one women bouncer protecting them....then...if something like this happens....it will be considered ok...since its two women fighting.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

[AbeBeta]

I never hit a women....ever....

I just warned them....big difference....


Oh, I see, you just intimidate them.

[superpunk]

Even if she threw a drink in his face he should not have put his hands on her.

Completely agree.

He should have scissor-kicked that chick.

[Jay-D]

Plus what kind of a jerk pushes a woman anyway? No man should ever put his hands on a woman to harm her for any reason and that part of it makes this guy an even bigger jerk, regardless of what she did..

That whole "don't touch the woman" thing is so ridiculous. Haven't you ever been punched or kicked by a woman? I've been in fights where the other guy's girlfriend has jumped on my back and tried to gouge my friggin' eyes out. Chivalry goes right out the window pretty quickly with some ladies.

There are lots of women in the armed forces fighting for you right this minute. They are killing and getting killed.

Welcome to 2007, big guy. It's not the weaker sex anymore.

[DallasEast]

Minor benefit of doubt, but maybe he was just reacting to the overly aggressive behavior. He didn't hit her, but he probably pushed her to get her away from him.

Full article from the link:

Woman tossed drink at Barnett, co-owner of nightclub says

Incident 'blown out of proportion,' according to Peotter

By John Lee
Gannett Wisconsin Newspapers


APPLETON — A woman threw a drink at Green Bay Packers linebacker Nick Barnett shortly before he was arrested last weekend for allegedly shoving a woman at a downtown nightclub, one of the establishment's co-owners said Thursday.


The co-owner, Kathy Peotter, also said she was not arguing with Barnett when police arrived at the nightclub Wet, 344 W. College Ave., and subsequently arrested him on a misdemeanor battery offense.


"I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion," Peotter said. "I'm not going to say Nick was on his best behavior that night, because he wasn't, but this is getting blown way out of proportion."


Peotter said Barnett has been coming into the club for months, and that there were more Packers than usual at the nightclub because of Sunday's Brett Favre charity softball game at Fox Cities Stadium. She said there were probably a half-dozen Packers in the club that night, at least two of them with their wives.


"They just want to be left alone," she said.


Peotter said two women who were trying to get an autograph from another player, who was at the club with his wife, swore at the player. Another fan grabbed Barnett's arm and asked for an autograph, she said.


One of the bartenders told Peotter that a woman threw a drink at Barnett shortly before a woman was shoved or fell to the ground. Peotter said it wasn't clear if it was the same woman involved in both incidents.


Barnett, 26, was jailed briefly early Sunday after the incident at the club, and Appleton police Sgt. Pat DeWall said Thursday that officers investigating the case still are conducting witness interviews. He said the department hopes reports can be sent to Outagamie County District Attorney Carrie Schneider's office early next week.


Schneider said it will be a week or more after she receives the report from police before she decides whether to formally charge Barnett.


"That's if I need additional follow-up and need to talk to witnesses any more," Schneider said.


Packers public relations director Jeff Blumb said the team would decline comment on the issue other than the extensive comments Packers coach Mike McCarthy made earlier in the week.


"I don't know if there is much we can say that he hasn't said anyway," Blumb said.


McCarthy said he has discussed the incident with Barnett. The team is concerned because of the NFL's new, stringent personal-conduct policy that allows the commissioner to suspend players for a wide range of illegal or untoward behavior off the field.


"I'm not going to sit here and go through the specifics of the incident," McCarthy said Monday. "But there's two sides to every story. I've listened to his side and we'll let the process take its course."
I hate that it should come down to this, but it would be better for club owners to either 'rope off' a particular area for his/her special customers or (if possible) seat them in a private room. Some sort of physical barrier should be established with signage informing everyone that the line in the sand should not be crossed for any reason. When something like this happens again, a famous patron can then argue that someone purposely intruded into their personal space without permission.

[WoodysGirl]

Speaking from my perspective, not on behalf of all women.

I don't condone anyone hitting someone else without just cause. Anytime a woman steps to a man like that, she's putting herself in position for retaliation and she better be prepared to defend herself.

This is not about equal rights or anything like that. It's about if a man steps to another man, he should expect the same reaction. He better be prepared for retaliation. Same as if a woman stepped up to another woman.

I don't know the full circumstances of what happen, but if what the club owner says is, I could very well see a scenario where he's trying to get her off him and she slips and falls because of her hoochie shoes.

[Mash]

No...just a warning....Ive never had a fight in my life...

Its a respect thing.....were all equal....no one...has the right to hit me....even opposite gender....

Its not only man that have anger mangement issues...many women suffer from it too.......but I guess its ok in our society to accept women hitting men....but not vice versa......got it.

No worries.....dont really want to discusss this type of issue....difference of opinion....I dont condon hitting women....I just hate seeing a women taking advantage of that moral rule.....thats all

[5Stars]

and she slips and falls because of her hoochie shoes.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: Ok, WG..,what are "hoochie shoes"?

[Jay-D]

There is the honorable path ... and then there is your path.

Cowards hit women.

So let's say a woman decides to come up and punch you in the nose.....

You walk away....all nice and honorable....and bleeding.

She follows you, and kicks you in the groin.

You crawl away......still honorable.

Now she grabs you by the hair and curb stomps you.

You still doing the "honorable" thing or are you gonna defend yourself?

[DallasEast]

If a man shoves a woman away from him if she is striking him or trying to physically restrain him, it's self-defense. If he is shoving a woman who is screaming in his face, that's not self-defense. It's a cowardly act of avoiding a solution to a problem. Sometimes, the bravest thing that a real man can do is to simply walk away.

[Jay-D]

It's not right for anybody to hit anybody...but it happens.

I've seen women totally flip out on guys hitting them and biting and everything else you can think of. I've even had it happen to me with a psycho ex-girlfriend that punched me in the face during an arguement. I didn't hit her back because I would have hurt her.....but most guys aren't my size either.

In that situation, I expect a guy to defend himself......and if that means he needs to hit the chick, then so be it.

I doubt that this was the case with this autograph seeker, but who knows?

[Jay-D]

If a man shoves a woman away from him if she is striking him or trying to physically restrain him, it's self-defense. If he is shoving a woman who is screaming in his face, that's not self-defense. It's a cowardly act of avoiding a solution to a problem. Sometimes, the bravest thing that a real man can do is to simply walk away.

I totally agree with that.

[iceberg]

The continuing parade of stupid NFL players just amazes me.

Every single one of them grew up dreaming of being the next Johnny U or Staubach or Jerry Rice or whatever. They want the fame, the money, the girl and all that goes with it.

Yet they say they want to go out and be left alone.

WHAT?

You want to be famous, rich and all that but you want to go out and be left alone?

Then when they do go out and they get asked for autographs when they are out, they act like it's some big invasion of their personal space.

Now, I can understand they want to be left alone especially when they are with their family at a family establishment, but going to a bar and expecting that is absurd.

That doesn't excuse the drink in the face or grabbing the guys arm, although I'm not sure how much damage a woman could do to an NFL linebacker by grabbing him, but these guys have to understand the rules are different for them. Plus what kind of a jerk pushes a woman anyway? No man should ever put his hands on a woman to harm her for any reason and that part of it makes this guy an even bigger jerk, regardless of what she did.

They know that the new Commish is coming down on this kind of stuff, yet they put themselves in this position.

Totally moronic and if he gets suspended for a game then he deserves for being stupid.

sorry - i don't buy the "you're rich and famous so therefor you're subject to every "fans" whims. they have a right to be able to go out just like you and i do. they have a right to privacy and to NOT have the trembling fan who just can't believe their luck "taking just a moment of their time".

i realize it may not be a realistic expectation, but in the end i'm not an "autograph" hound anyway and just because i see someone famous out and about doesn't give me the right to pawn all over them.

it would seem some people get so "starry eyed" they want to seperate "rights" and think their few minute intrusion isn't that big a deal.

i've seen modano, irvin, switzer, haley, juan gonzales, and many others in "public" situations because i used to live down the street from their headquarters for the cowboys and the rest - just luck of the draw i suppose. i never once got in their face and expected a thing from them - yet i did see people hover all around as if this made their life complete.

i think the "fans" are the ones who need a reality check at times.

[superpunk]

I didn't hit her back because I would have hurt her.....but most guys aren't my size either.

http://www.jokechallenge.com/funny_pictures/midget_basketball.jpg

Good call. With the way you dominate on the court, you'd surely have done some damage to a woman.

[5Stars]

http://www.jokechallenge.com/funny_pictures/midget_basketball.jpg

Good call. With the way you dominate on the court, you'd surely have done some damage to a woman.


:laugh2: :lmao: :lmao2: :laugh2: :lmao:

[WoodysGirl]

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: Ok, WG..,what are "hoochie shoes"?
http://images.quizilla.com/S/SlaveGirl/1054828417_tiletto_hi.jpg

[Yeagermeister]

http://images.quizilla.com/S/SlaveGirl/1054828417_tiletto_hi.jpg

Are those from your closet? :D

[AbeBeta]

So let's say a woman decides to come up and punch you in the nose.....

You walk away....all nice and honorable....and bleeding.

She follows you, and kicks you in the groin.

You crawl away......still honorable.

Now she grabs you by the hair and curb stomps you.

You still doing the "honorable" thing or are you gonna defend yourself?

I'm not an idiot so I'm not going to be in a situation like that.

Come on, do you really think it is that hard to AVOID conflicts of that nature?

[iceberg]

I'm not an idiot so I'm not going to be in a situation like that.

Come on, do you really think it is that hard to AVOID conflicts of that nature?

people try to paint the stupid as if it's actually relevant. i agree abersonic, that scenario is easy to avoid. if it's getting out of hand bear hug her till someone comes along to calm her down. besides, if "she's" big enough to curb me i've got some pretty serious issues on my hands.

[DallasEast]

http://images.quizilla.com/S/SlaveGirl/1054828417_tiletto_hi.jpgIt never ceases to amaze me how any woman could possibly walk in those things--or even want to, for that matter.

[WoodysGirl]

Are those from your closet? :D
Not exactly, but I've a got a pair or two that will give u pause. They're not for walking. Strictly for looking cute.

[Yeagermeister]

people try to paint the stupid as if it's actually relevant. i agree abersonic, that scenario is easy to avoid. if it's getting out of hand bear hug her till someone comes along to calm her down. besides, if "she's" big enough to curb me i've got some pretty serious issues on my hands.

You could always taze her :D

[iceberg]

You could always taze her :D

heh - i'm amazed anyone believed that story. : )

[Yeagermeister]

heh - i'm amazed anyone believed that story. : )

You lost me when you said a woman got naked for you :D

[5Stars]

heh - i'm amazed anyone believed that story. : )


Oh...........! :laugh2: See my reply in the other post!

Sucker!! I was thinking...what the hell....

[iceberg]

You lost me when you said a woman got naked for you :D

yea, i shoulda mentioned the $200 in cash in my hand...

[Cajuncowboy]

That whole "don't touch the woman" thing is so ridiculous. Haven't you ever been punched or kicked by a woman? I've been in fights where the other guy's girlfriend has jumped on my back and tried to gouge my friggin' eyes out. Chivalry goes right out the window pretty quickly with some ladies.

There are lots of women in the armed forces fighting for you right this minute. They are killing and getting killed.

Welcome to 2007, big guy. It's not the weaker sex anymore.

That may be the most lame thing I've ever read.

First of all I never said, stand there and get your eyes gouged out. A drink in the face is a far cry from Eye gouging.

This is a woman and an NFL Linebacker.

He should have walked away. Now, the woman should have charges pressed against her for the act of throwing the drink, but you don't hit a woman. You have to be more of a man than that.

[Cajuncowboy]

sorry - i don't buy the "you're rich and famous so therefor you're subject to every "fans" whims. they have a right to be able to go out just like you and i do. they have a right to privacy and to NOT have the trembling fan who just can't believe their luck "taking just a moment of their time".

i realize it may not be a realistic expectation, but in the end i'm not an "autograph" hound anyway and just because i see someone famous out and about doesn't give me the right to pawn all over them.

it would seem some people get so "starry eyed" they want to seperate "rights" and think their few minute intrusion isn't that big a deal.

i've seen modano, irvin, switzer, haley, juan gonzales, and many others in "public" situations because i used to live down the street from their headquarters for the cowboys and the rest - just luck of the draw i suppose. i never once got in their face and expected a thing from them - yet i did see people hover all around as if this made their life complete.

i think the "fans" are the ones who need a reality check at times.

Ummm, it's the price you pay. IT's part of the whole thing. Personally, I collect autographes of NFL players. However, I have never asked for one when I've met them in a social setting. That is my choice.

The problem is that they want the fame and fortune and when they get it they also want the same annonimity that you and I have. This isn't fantasy land where you can have everything you want. There are trade offs.

[Doomsday101]

Ummm, it's the price you pay. IT's part of the whole thing. Personally, I collect autographes of NFL players. However, I have never asked for one when I've met them in a social setting. That is my choice.

The problem is that they want the fame and fortune and when they get it they also want the same annonimity that you and I have. This isn't fantasy land where you can have everything you want. There are trade offs.

True, but there is no excuse for people to be rude when a player says no to your request. I think many fans are inconsiderate and downright rude and even though these athletes are famous they are still human.

[iceberg]

Ummm, it's the price you pay. IT's part of the whole thing. Personally, I collect autographes of NFL players. However, I have never asked for one when I've met them in a social setting. That is my choice.

The problem is that they want the fame and fortune and when they get it they also want the same annonimity that you and I have. This isn't fantasy land where you can have everything you want. There are trade offs.

and "the fan" should be grown up enough to know they can get autographs at the proper times and when *not* one of those times, leave the people alone. just because you see someone on TV you can't assume they wanted the "fame and glory" vs. just wanted to play football. wanted to act, write - make a difference and do something with their life that does yes - happen to be in the public eye.

if this isn't "fantasyland" then LEAVE THE PEOPLE ALONE cause like you just said, it's not a fantasy to "rub elbows" with the "star". it's reality and maybe they just want dinner with their family on a night out like the rest of us. it's why some clubs where the stars do hang out have a "no autographs" policy.

it's YOUR fantasy to "hook up" with the famous people, right? but it's not fantasy land either...

i have no problem with people who collect autographs. don't want to imply it's a bad thing - it's just a thing. but it's a bad thing to hound people and assume it's just a few minutes of their time in public isn't a hassle/bother and something the stars just have to put up with.

maybe they should realize it *is* a fact of life then again maybe it *is* a fact of life the average fan who assumes things needs to grow up some and drop being so star-struck.

[iceberg]

True, but there is no excuse for people to be rude when a player says no to your request. I think many fans are inconsiderate and downright rude and even though these athletes are famous they are still human.

when i saw modano (sp?) it was at a rest. that also had karaoke and i was hanging out with that crowd at the time. i didn't recognize him right off but the bartender was a HUGE stars fan and knew him instantly and while i was sitting at the bar he told me about it. i looked over, saw a man w/family eating and thought "cool" and went back about my own business.

about 10 minutes later "it" started. 1 autograph person came by, then it "got out" and 3-4 of the people did the "do you mind - it's for my mother on chemo who loves you!" or whatever stuff. he signed a couple then the family got up and left early (it seemed like to me) paying their tab anyway on the way out.

*those* people need a grip on reality and jeez - let stars be "people" too and have some family time like the rest of us.

i firmly disagree being a star means you forgo privacy or the simple dinner w/family.

"fans" who intrude need to grow up.

[stasheroo]

It comes with the territory.

I'm not saying it's right.

Just that it comes with the territory.

Fame, fortune and fanaticism.

All or nothing.

[AbeBeta]

The problem is that they want the fame and fortune and when they get it they also want the same annonimity that you and I have. This isn't fantasy land where you can have everything you want. There are trade offs.

On this I agree.

You want to make the big $$ but you don't want fans bothering you when you are out trying to have a good time. You are totally into fans "bothering" you when it is some hot chick who wants to go home with you but you don't want slightly overweight girls who just wants your autograph around.

The guy plays for a team that is OWNED by the fans. That's his boss right there. She wants an autograph, she better get one.

[iceberg]

It comes with the territory.

I'm not saying it's right.

Just that it comes with the territory.

Fame, fortune and fanaticism.

All or nothing.

i agree that people "think" they have this right.

i disagree on whether or not they really do.

[iceberg]

On this I agree.

You want to make the big $$ but you don't want fans bothering you when you are out trying to have a good time. You are totally into fans "bothering" you when it is some hot chick who wants to go home with you but you don't want slightly overweight girls who just wants your autograph around.

The guy plays for a team that is OWNED by the fans. That's his boss right there. She wants an autograph, she better get one.

she can get her happy big tailed self to an event where her idol is scheduled to be. she can sweat off a few in the hot training camp sun to get one as he walks by. but it's not *Her Right* to bug him when he's eating dinner.

and i don't seperate the "hot chic" from the "baby's got back" either. you're generacizing "fame and fortune" to those who have it - it's likely a job like anything else.

i know a lot of famous musicians and they love to sing and entertain and it's their talent. but that doesn't make them public property 24x7.

[stasheroo]

i agree that people "think" they have this right.

i disagree on whether or not they really do.

I agree.

As I said, I don't think it's right but I hardly have sympathy for the plight of someone making millions of dollars either.

If that's the 'trade-off' - so be it.

These people have a choice, they can choose to be high paid athletes and celebrities - thereby sacrificing privacy for big bucks - or they can choose another career path where nobody will care what they do.

They have a choice.

[Doomsday101]

when i saw modano (sp?) it was at a rest. that also had karaoke and i was hanging out with that crowd at the time. i didn't recognize him right off but the bartender was a HUGE stars fan and knew him instantly and while i was sitting at the bar he told me about it. i looked over, saw a man w/family eating and thought "cool" and went back about my own business.

about 10 minutes later "it" started. 1 autograph person came by, then it "got out" and 3-4 of the people did the "do you mind - it's for my mother on chemo who loves you!" or whatever stuff. he signed a couple then the family got up and left early (it seemed like to me) paying their tab anyway on the way out.

*those* people need a grip on reality and jeez - let stars be "people" too and have some family time like the rest of us.

i firmly disagree being a star means you forgo privacy or the simple dinner w/family.

"fans" to intrude need to grow up.

I agree and I think people forget about common courtesy that every person regardless of status deserves. For the Most part I think most of these guys are very accommodating about giving out autographs but there are times when they want to go out with family and friends without the hassle of autograph hounds and when they say no I think people should respect that.

[iceberg]

I agree.

As I said, I don't think it's right but I hardly have sympathy for the plight of someone making millions of dollars either.

If that's the 'trade-off' - so be it.

These people have a choice, they can choose to be high paid athletes and celebrities - thereby sacrificing privacy for big bucks - or they can choose another career path where nobody will care what they do.

They have a choice.

so do the overly-anal "fans" - don't they? they can be respectful or they can be dorkwads. why put *all* the responsiblity on the "millionaire" (and funny, i'm not gonna begrudge someone for making money and think there's some karma-justice to it in the end) and excuse people for being rude?

i agree many people are gonna go the "rude" side - but this isn't a "right" it's just rude. you want an autograph, get it at the right time.

[Doomsday101]

I agree.

As I said, I don't think it's right but I hardly have sympathy for the plight of someone making millions of dollars either.

If that's the 'trade-off' - so be it.

These people have a choice, they can choose to be high paid athletes and celebrities - thereby sacrificing privacy for big bucks - or they can choose another career path where nobody will care what they do.

They have a choice.

They have another choice and that is to say No to the person asking for the autograph.

[iceberg]

I agree and I think people forget about common courtesy that every person regardless of status deserves. For the Most part I think most of these guys are very accommodating about giving out autographs but there are times when they want to go out with family and friends without the hassle of autograph hounds and when they say no I think people should respect that.

one night i was at the back bar at firewater and one of my friends (not overly into indie music but supports my efforts just the same) and we were talking about famous people when the drummer from a local band came up to me and we were talking and he was pretty ripped. i asked him what he tought of vinnie paul and his eyes lit up and it was compliment after compliment. i then smiled and looked to my left cause he was right there paying his tab.

of course the drummer did the whole OH MY GOD DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE??? he was actually pretty cool about it and vinnie was as well but there's reasons these people stick to the bars they happen to frequent. you go to vinnie in renos and try that and you'll have to get by his people first.

[superpunk]

(and funny, i'm not gonna begrudge someone for making money and think there's some karma-justice to it in the end)

I was trying to think of some parallel with starving africans looking at wealthy nations....i don't know...whining about immigrants.

"They want to live in a capitalist society that the rest of the workd envies, and drive a Nissan Qwest? That's fine. They're gonna have to deal with the Mexicans and possible Canuck's immigrating illegally, as well as Michael Jackson.

If that's the trade off, so be it. They have a choice."

It's a work in progress.

Fans don't have the right to act like complete dill-holes just because they watch TV. Athletes shouldn't be obligated to deal with that, anymore than you'd be obligated to your boss, should he show up at your dinner table at 9 pm, and ask you to fill out an expense report.

You're not at work.

[Cajuncowboy]

True, but there is no excuse for people to be rude when a player says no to your request. I think many fans are inconsiderate and downright rude and even though these athletes are famous they are still human.

Exactlly right. As I said, the woman should be charged with throwing the drink. But the reaction of an NFL Linebacker to a woman who threw a drink in his face is unwarranted.

And I am going to try and respond to you and Ice as well here.

You are right, there is a time and place for everything. I didn't say the woman was right or wrong regarding the autograph. Honestly, if she had asked and he politely said no she should have left it alone. She was wrong for her action, but his response was just as wrong.

The whole autograph thing? I collect them but I don't on pieces of paper. I want them on something like a helmet or jersey or something that looks good.

And I just don't carry a spare helmet around with me on the off chance I might see someone.

I deal with a lot of Country music artists, and I can tell you, I know first hand how it can be. They cannot go out in public much with their family.

A real quick story,

My wife and I and our kids were going to have a cookout at one of these artists homes. Thier kids and ours are friends and are in the same youth group at our church. He and I went out to the local spupermarket to get some sodas and Ice and he must have signed 10 autographes in the 4 or 5 minutes we were in the store.

I asked him afterwards doesn't it get old doing that? He said, sometimes he would like to go out and get something to eat without all that but he said he knows that these are the same people who are allowing him to live the kind of life style he lives. He said this as we were driving back to his house in his new Hummer. (I hate those things by the way)

[iceberg]

I was trying to think of some parallel with starving africans looking at wealthy nations....i don't know...whining about immigrants.

"They want to live in a capitalist society that the rest of the workd envies, and drive a Nissan Qwest? That's fine. They're gonna have to deal with the Mexicans and possible Canuck's immigrating illegally, as well as Michael Jackson.

If that's the trade off, so be it. They have a choice."

It's a work in progress.

Fans don't have the right to act like complete dill-holes just because they watch TV. Athletes shouldn't be obligated to deal with that, anymore than you'd be obligated to your boss, should he show up at your dinner table at 9 pm, and ask you to fill out an expense report.

You're not at work.

if i'm not mistaken you and i are agreeing?

[AbeBeta]

she can get her happy big tailed self to an event where her idol is scheduled to be. she can sweat off a few in the hot training camp sun to get one as he walks by. but it's not *Her Right* to bug him when he's eating dinner.

and i don't seperate the "hot chic" from the "baby's got back" either. you're generacizing "fame and fortune" to those who have it - it's likely a job like anything else.

i know a lot of famous musicians and they love to sing and entertain and it's their talent. but that doesn't make them public property 24x7.

Public figures give up some of their rights to private lives. By and large people leave them alone. However, like any situation, you can't expect everyone to act in the way you'd want them to.

Tell me, what would it hurt if Barnett just signed the freaking piece of paper? Is that really being "bothered?" Some drunk girl got up the nerve to come and ask. Just give her the autograph, she'll go away thrilled.

Maybe it is just b/c I grew up in LA -- but I think it is remarkably easy for stars to have normal lives. The worst I've ever seen in someone coming over to say something like "I'm a huge fan" - most folks know the line and don't cross it.

Personally, I've only bothered someone once. But when you run into a legend at some tiny taco stand, you have to take that opportunity. He was genuinely friendly. As a result I've followed his up and down solo career for years since.

[5Stars]

Would anyone want Pacmans autograph?

:confused:

[superpunk]

if i'm not mistaken you and i are agreeing?

Don't get too excited.

This ends tomorrow.

[Doomsday101]

Public figures give up some of their rights to private lives. By and large people leave them alone. However, like any situation, you can't expect everyone to act in the way you'd want them to.

Tell me, what would it hurt if Barnett just signed the freaking piece of paper? Is that really being "bothered?" Some drunk girl got up the nerve to come and ask. Just give her the autograph, she'll go away thrilled.

Maybe it is just b/c I grew up in LA -- but I think it is remarkably easy for stars to have normal lives. The worst I've ever seen in someone coming over to say something like "I'm a huge fan" - most folks know the line and don't cross it.

Personally, I've only bothered someone once. But when you run into a legend at some tiny taco stand, you have to take that opportunity. He was genuinely friendly. As a result I've followed his up and down solo career for years since.

I think most do accommodate fans but they are not obligated to stop everything every time someone wants an autograph. I don't see anything wrong with someone asking but be prepared for that celeb to say no sometimes. As for the comment: "Tell me, what would it hurt if Barnett just signed the freaking piece of paper? Is that really being "bothered?" Some drunk girl got up the nerve to come and ask. Just give her the autograph, she'll go away thrilled." bottom line he did not feel like doing so and to me that is a good enough reason.

[AbeBeta]

bottom line he did not feel like doing so and to me that is a good enough reason.

Again, he "feels like" he wants to do all the positive stuff -- cash the big paycheck, sleep with hot chicks -- but the less positive stuff he gets to take or leave?

Of course, following this incident he's got a few less fans and maybe some legal troubles.

Maybe next time he will "feel like it"

[Doomsday101]

Again, he "feels like" he wants to do all the positive stuff -- cash the big paycheck, sleep with hot chicks -- but the less positive stuff he gets to take or leave?

Of course, following this incident he's got a few less fans and maybe some legal troubles.

Maybe next time he will "feel like it"

Aikman and Emmitt have also turned fans down for autographs, Emmitt talked about being out with his soon to be wife for a romantic dinner and had to tell fans no. I'm sorry they may be famous but it is still their life and they have every right to say no. I don't blame a fan for asking but that player or celeb does not have to sign autographs just because a person demands it. Hell if you’re a fan of that player I would think you would show a bit more respect for that player and allow them some privacy. As I said for the most part these guys will sign things but there are times they don't and will not do so and I can't blame them

[iceberg]

Public figures give up some of their rights to private lives. By and large people leave them alone. However, like any situation, you can't expect everyone to act in the way you'd want them to.

Tell me, what would it hurt if Barnett just signed the freaking piece of paper? Is that really being "bothered?" Some drunk girl got up the nerve to come and ask. Just give her the autograph, she'll go away thrilled.

...

Personally, I've only bothered someone once. But when you run into a legend at some tiny taco stand, you have to take that opportunity. He was genuinely friendly. As a result I've followed his up and down solo career for years since.

SOME? great - where is that line?

it's the "you have to take that opportunity!" mentality that makes most people forget their "idol" is just a person wanting a simple taco. does it sound like he's gloryhounding it up and *asking* for the "fan" to bug him? i'm glad it turned out well - i would think most do. but you don't know the mood of the other person and being "human" takes a bit more priority over "idol".

Don't get too excited.

This ends tomorrow.

whew. i can take it for a day.

Again, he "feels like" he wants to do all the positive stuff -- cash the big paycheck, sleep with hot chicks -- but the less positive stuff he gets to take or leave?

Of course, following this incident he's got a few less fans and maybe some legal troubles.

Maybe next time he will "feel like it"

how do you know he's not married to mrs. average he just loves anyway? you're assuming the "glory" all around and that the "pro" seeks it all to help justify your own side of this.

Aikman and Emmitt have also turned fans down for autographs, Emmitt talked about being out with his soon to be wife for a romantic dinner and had to tell fans no. I'm sorry they may be famous but it is still their life and they have every right to say no. I don't blame a fan for asking but that player or celeb does not have to sign autographs just because a person demands it. Hell if you’re a fan of that player I would think you would show a bit more respect for that player and allow them some privacy. As I said for the most part these guys will sign things but there are times they don't and will not do so and I can't blame them

agree that if you're a fan of the player, you'd think you'd want to help them maintain privacy but more often than not, selfishness takes over and puts courtesy away and suddenly "if you get that chance you gotta take it!"

meatloaf is perhaps my own musical "idol" and yes, i've run into him in public in dallas before. i just looked at him and said "love your music" he said 'hey, thanks' and we went about our business. if i want to do the rest i'll schedule an interview with him and catch him during working hours.

[AbeBeta]

Aikman and Emmitt have also turned fans down for autographs, Emmitt talked about being out with his soon to be wife for a romantic dinner and had to tell fans no. I'm sorry they may be famous but it is still their life and they have every right to say no. I don't blame a fan for asking but that player or celeb does not have to sign autographs just because a person demands it. Hell if you’re a fan of that player I would think you would show a bit more respect for that player and allow them some privacy. As I said for the most part these guys will sign things but there are times they don't and will not do so and I can't blame them

You don't think there is a difference between being out with the wife for a romantic dinner and whooping it up with your boys?

I'd think that Emmitt wasn't taking his wife to some club where skanks hang out for dinner.

[iceberg]

You don't think there is a difference between being out with the wife for a romantic dinner and whooping it up with your boys?

I'd think that Emmitt wasn't taking his wife to some club where skanks hang out for dinner.

it was a nice mexican rest. in las colinas (north irving / valley ranch) where modano left cause people started in on him and his family demanding time. (or maybe dinner was over - not real sure here but it did seem that way) where modano was there w/family, not whooping it up. you're the one who said "when you get that chance you take it!!!" right?

now it's romantic dinners or wild parties that differentiates right vs wrong.

even if a party - WHO CARES? respect other people if you ever think you deserve respect as well.

[zeromaster]

<snip>
Tell me, what would it hurt if Barnett just signed the freaking piece of paper? Is that really being "bothered?" Some drunk girl got up the nerve to come and ask. Just give her the autograph, she'll go away thrilled.
<snip>
As someone else pointed out earlier in the thread, it generally doesn't stop with one. The clowns that didn't have the nerve to go first now think they have the courage to get theirs. That's the real problem: most celebrities wouldn't mind so much if it was a one- or two-person thing. It can turn into a dozen or more pretty easily, and those with experience know when not to crack open that door. In a bar, where people are getting lubricated, there's not telling where it can end up, as Barnett is finding out.

Most people will follow the leader a lot sooner than being the leader themselves.

[Doomsday101]

You don't think there is a difference between being out with the wife for a romantic dinner and whooping it up with your boys?

I'd think that Emmitt wasn't taking his wife to some club where skanks hang out for dinner.

So now at least you will admit there is a right time and a wrong time? I think it is up to that person if they want to give it or not. We don't know this chick may have been falling over drunk and being rude maybe that was the reason he said no or maybe he just did not feel like doing so. Regardless he is obligated to go out and play hard for his team but no he is not obligated to sign autographs if he does not feel like doing it.

[Doomsday101]

For years NBA star Bill Russell would not sign any autographs, even a teammate asked him to sign something for a friend and Russell told him no as well. :laugh2:

[AbeBeta]

now it's romantic dinners or wild parties that differentiates right vs wrong.


No, it is the context -- would I try to talk to someone who was having dinner with his wife -- a regular normal guy who I recongized from some other situation but who didn't know me? No. Would I talk to that guy if I saw him at a bar? Sure.

A celeb who goes into a situation where people normaly socialize shouldn't be afforded rights over and above other people. Would you find it weird if you were hanging out with some friends and someone came over and said "hey, you're Iceberg - I love your radio show"? That would be appropriate right? Not unacceptable at all.

Why does a celeb get to go somewhere like a bar and NOT get talked to? Will it happen to them more b/c they are celebs? Sure. But that doesn't make it wrong. They can't expect some sort of shell where people leave them alone all the time.

[AbeBeta]

As someone else pointed out earlier in the thread, it generally doesn't stop with one. The clowns that didn't have the nerve to go first now think they have the courage to get theirs. That's the real problem: most celebrities wouldn't mind so much if it was a one- or two-person thing. It can turn into a dozen or more pretty easily, and those with experience know when not to crack open that door. In a bar, where people are getting lubricated, there's not telling where it can end up, as Barnett is finding out.

Most people will follow the leader a lot sooner than being the leader themselves.

Of course, she was probably the only person there who knew who the hell Nick Barnett is.

[AbeBeta]

So now at least you will admit there is a right time and a wrong time? I think it is up to that person if they want to give it or not. We don't know this chick may have been falling over drunk and being rude maybe that was the reason he said no or maybe he just did not feel like doing so. Regardless he is obligated to go out and play hard for his team but no he is not obligated to sign autographs if he does not feel like doing it.

As I pointed out in my reply to the 'berg -- there are right and wrong places for talking to anyone. I'm dropping $250 on a quiet, romantic meal with the wife and people don't come up and start a conversation. I'm hanging out at a bar and that would be reasonable behavior.

[iceberg]

As I pointed out in my reply to the 'berg -- there are right and wrong places for talking to anyone. I'm dropping $250 on a quiet, romantic meal with the wife and people don't come up and start a conversation. I'm hanging out at a bar and that would be reasonable behavior.

or getting a taco.

again you assume the same social values and assign "skank" values to it for some reason. if someone was hanging all over skanks and doing the "rockstar lifestyle" do you really *WANT* their autograph?

basic courtesy and respect take precidence over whatever situation you want to put them in.

[zeromaster]

Of course, she was probably the only person there who knew who the hell Nick Barnett is.
I guess they all do now. :D

[iceberg]

No, it is the context -- would I try to talk to someone who was having dinner with his wife -- a regular normal guy who I recongized from some other situation but who didn't know me? No. Would I talk to that guy if I saw him at a bar? Sure.

A celeb who goes into a situation where people normaly socialize shouldn't be afforded rights over and above other people. Would you find it weird if you were hanging out with some friends and someone came over and said "hey, you're Iceberg - I love your radio show"? That would be appropriate right? Not unacceptable at all.

Why does a celeb get to go somewhere like a bar and NOT get talked to? Will it happen to them more b/c they are celebs? Sure. But that doesn't make it wrong. They can't expect some sort of shell where people leave them alone all the time.

a little, yea. but again you presume you know my values and personality simply cause i'm at a bar. go to firewater and talk to some of the bartenders who know me and they'd tell you i'm the quiet guy in the corner who doesn't talk much.

has it happened? sure. it flattered the heck out of me. but i get it once a year tops, not every time i stop for a quick taco.

[5Stars]

a little, yea. but again you presume you know my values and personality simply cause i'm at a bar. go to firewater and talk to some of the bartenders who know me and they'd tell you i'm the quiet guy in the corner who doesn't talk much.

has it happened? sure. it flattered the heck out of me. but i get it once a year tops, not every time i stop for a quick taco.


R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Find out what it means to me
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Take care, TCB

Oh (sock it to me, sock it to me,
sock it to me, sock it to me)
A little respect (sock it to me, sock it to me,
sock it to me, sock it to me)
Whoa, babe (just a little bit)
A little respect (just a little bit)
I get tired (just a little bit)
Keep on tryin' (just a little bit)
You're runnin' out of foolin' (just a little bit)
And I ain't lyin' (just a little bit)


:confused:


Did you know that taco spelled backwards is o cat...?

[iceberg]

R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Find out what it means to me
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Take care, TCB

Oh (sock it to me, sock it to me,
sock it to me, sock it to me)
A little respect (sock it to me, sock it to me,
sock it to me, sock it to me)
Whoa, babe (just a little bit)
A little respect (just a little bit)
I get tired (just a little bit)
Keep on tryin' (just a little bit)
You're runnin' out of foolin' (just a little bit)
And I ain't lyin' (just a little bit)


:confused:


Did you know that taco spelled backwards is o cat...?

i do now. : )

[AbeBeta]

or getting a taco.

again you assume the same social values and assign "skank" values to it for some reason. if someone was hanging all over skanks and doing the "rockstar lifestyle" do you really *WANT* their autograph?

basic courtesy and respect take precidence over whatever situation you want to put them in.

Sure -- if you are getting a taco, would you feel it disrespectful for someone to say hello? How is that disrespectful?

[AbeBeta]

a little, yea. but again you presume you know my values and personality simply cause i'm at a bar. go to firewater and talk to some of the bartenders who know me and they'd tell you i'm the quiet guy in the corner who doesn't talk much.

has it happened? sure. it flattered the heck out of me. but i get it once a year tops, not every time i stop for a quick taco.

I don't assume your values because you are at a bar -- I do recognize that if you go to a bar you need to be prepared for the environment re: what people do at bars. People drink, they talk. Whether you participate in that or not, that's what is normative at a bar.

And those tacos were pretty damn slow -- which is the only reason I talked to the guy.

[iceberg]

I don't assume your values because you are at a bar -- I do recognize that if you go to a bar you need to be prepared for the environment re: what people do at bars. People drink, they talk. Whether you participate in that or not, that's what is normative at a bar.

And those tacos were pretty damn slow -- which is the only reason I talked to the guy.

i'm just giving you a hard taco (o cat) time on that one. but what if *every single time* he popped in anywhere, taco bar, atm machine, gas station, red light, sonic, getting groceries and so forth - he got bugged?

as for a bar - generally i agree w/you, *however* i'd not go up to vinnie paul at renos and make that assumption. : )

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i'm just giving you a hard taco (o cat) time on that one. but what if *every single time* he popped in anywhere, taco bar, atm machine, gas station, red light, sonic, getting groceries and so forth - he got bugged?

as for a bar - generally i agree w/you, *however* i'd not go up to vinnie paul at renos and make that assumption. : )

I'd say he might want to rethink the whole DIY thing at that point. He'd have gotten too big to do the stuff the little folks do. Or maybe buy a freaking pair of sunglasses. Or use the drive-through

Now that I think of it -- I bugged someone at a grocery store once - more just because I was shocked that the person was there and he was shocked that someone recognized him -- but that was just the unfamous drummer from a hugely influential band. So maybe he wasn't really "famous" -- I'm not counting that one.