Mike Mckenzie

[Source]

We need him fast...

[Kangaroo]

Let the young kids grow

[Catch-22]

I'm embarrassed to say I'd make that trade in a heartbeat now :o

[Midswat]

Let the young kids grow


If we didn't have playoff hopes . . . I'd agree with that.

[Kangaroo]

Because reeves is young and has a buy week to get better

Because he turned and looked for the ball

He has somethings to work on but he did not do to bad Tnew did not play as well as he did last year

[jsond]

we need a pass rush much more. A few of the sacks tonite were because of great coverage. No question the 2ndary could use some help. But the pass rush is the big weakness. Wiley has shown nothing thusfar and the pass rush is horrible unless they blitz.

Either way a road win vs a conf opponent is always sweet no matter what. Specially going into a bye! Go cowboys!!

[superonyx]

Let the Young Kids Grow????

Do you mean Reeves? He is a late draft pick rookie who may need to start on a playoff team. That my friend is just goofy logic.

The young kid that needs to grow seems to be T Newman.

Lets get an experienced vet like McKenzie in here while TNew grows. Let reeves play dime.

[DMX6990]

Let's see what Reeves has and maybe now Thornton can get a chance to play. I hope Hunter injuries its not serious maybe we get luck again.

[Cajuncowboy]

We desperatlely need another corner and McKenzie would fit in fine. Reeves did OK but when we get in against a better QB and Better O-Line they will get picked apart. I don't mind letting Reeves grow into his position but not when we have a shot at the playoffs. Bring in McKenzie. Especially if Hunter is down for any length of time.

[TruBlueCowboy]

I know this isn't a popular opinion but I'm prepared to stick it out with our young defensive backs. They've impressed me the last two games. I think they're not getting as much credit as they deserve. Screw McKenzie, we'll take our chances with what we have. It's going to be slim if Hunter ends up on IR but we'll manage.

[Kangaroo]

When teams get desperate and started trading away picks for players ala Miami ala JJ and Galloway they usally bite you in the arse.

I am dead set against trading for him and I doubt Bill will pull that trigger

[DLK150]

Reeves, for playing most of the game opposite Newman on the spur of the moment played pretty dang well. I saw more plays that Newman was liable for than Reeves.

Give hte man some credit.

[DMX6990]

Green Bay will try to rape us now, they know were're desperate. I rather sign Powell again then to give up 1 pick for an average aging CB.

[boysfanindc]

a lot depends on hunters status, if he is out for awhile, it might not be Mckenzie but we will need another corner.

[Madzo]

We desperatlely need another corner and McKenzie would fit in fine. Reeves did OK but when we get in against a better QB and Better O-Line they will get picked apart. I don't mind letting Reeves grow into his position but not when we have a shot at the playoffs. Bring in McKenzie. Especially if Hunter is down for any length of time.


I will be concerned when we play the Eagles with this group of DB's, hopefully Woody is back by then.

[boysfanindc]

I will be concerned when we play the Eagles with this group of DB's, hopefully Woody is back by then.

Unfortunately I don't think Woody is coming back.

[Gaede]

I live Reeves. He looks awesome for a seventh round draft pick.


but he will be a major liability.

If we made the trade right now, I wouldn't argue

[Source]

There are two reasons we should get Mike Mckenzie

- Terence Newman gives up on plays

- Pete Hunter Status is unknown

- We need a conerback anyway....

- Jacques Reeves is just plain sorry I feel sorry for his skills....

[Unforgiven]

Because reeves is young and has a buy week to get better

Because he turned and looked for the ball

He has somethings to work on but he did not do to bad Tnew did not play as well as he did last year

Not after the game I watched last night. He had a few decent plays, but also gave a up a huge completion that put the Skins right back in the game, and then almost cost us the game at the very end.

No way man. Something has to be done.

[Aikmaniac]

I agree, this is a playoff football team that relies on it's defense. If Hunter is gone for the year, it's time to make a move for McKenzie.

[MichaelWinicki]

I know this isn't a popular opinion but I'm prepared to stick it out with our young defensive backs. They've impressed me the last two games. I think they're not getting as much credit as they deserve. Screw McKenzie, we'll take our chances with what we have. It's going to be slim if Hunter ends up on IR but we'll manage.


Well said.

If this were a SB contending team I would consider the McKenzie move but it's not. Why spend the draft pick and all that coin he's going to want... And he's not honoring his existing contract which makes him a loser in my book.

[Unforgiven]

Well said.

If this were a SB contending team I would consider the McKenzie move but it's not. Why spend the draft pick and all that coin he's going to want... And he's not honoring his existing contract which makes him a loser in my book.

In todays NFL, there are only about five or six teams that are not SuperBowl contending. The Panthers proved that. Besides, if we did get him, he would be here next year too, and it would save us having to address that issue again in the offseason.

[Charles]

Corner Back situation not looking good


Terence Newman isn't playing that well. Pete Hunter is done for the season and his play was ify at best. The rest of the crew are above average special team players, but average Corner backs.

The boys have to get something done over this bye week. I don't like our chances against the upper echelon teams. The D-line really came up big last night. If Brunnel had more time he could have put up gaudy numbers. He was still very effective in the passing game after being hit and sacked many times.

I hope Jerry Jones and Bill reconsider looking at trading for or somehow acquiring Mike McKenzie. Is Otis Smith still available. I'd like some veteran presence in the CB core.

[hockix]

Because reeves is young and has a buy week to get better

Because he turned and looked for the ball

He has somethings to work on but he did not do to bad Tnew did not play as well as he did last year

That's the problem, he will have 2 weeks to prepar so Zimmer will teach him to not look at the ball.... :o

[MichaelWinicki]

Great how everyone wants a guy that doesn't honor his contract. And now, seems to be dogging it somewhat.

Yep he's a Parcells' player. :rolleyes:

[Eskimo]

Not after the game I watched last night. He had a few decent plays, but also gave a up a huge completion that put the Skins right back in the game, and then almost cost us the game at the very end.

No way man. Something has to be done.

The first long sideline pass to Gardner was essentially a perfect throw and catch. He only had a half-step on Reeves and the ball was perfectly placed over the outside shoulder and hit Gardner in full stride. That would be a completion against anyone.

On the last second pass, Reeves had perfect position. Gardner pulled him down. It should have been obvious PI.

[hockix]

Great how everyone wants a guy that doesn't honor his contract. And now, seems to be dogging it somewhat.

Yep he's a Parcells' player. :rolleyes:

I really hate guys who don't honor their contract.
But we have to find someone and fast.
We have two weeks to prepar so get someone and if McKenzie is the only one available, lets get him...even if I don't like what he is doing, we need him.

[MichaelWinicki]

I really hate guys who don't honor their contract.
But we have to find someone and fast.
We have two weeks to prepar so get someone and if McKenzie is the only one available, lets get him...even if I don't like what he is doing, we need him.


But I don't think the Cowboy's brain trust (Jerry & Bill) will enjoy dealing with him. Parcells seems to have a very short fuse with players that don't get with the program. McKenzie has shown he is not a team player at all and thusly I don't see him fitting in a Bill Parcells coached team.

[Aikmaniac]

Great how everyone wants a guy that doesn't honor his contract. And now, seems to be dogging it somewhat.

Yep he's a Parcells' player. :rolleyes:

Who else is out there Michael? This team is a legitimate playoff contender in my eyes, why let an inexperienced secondary take this team out of that contention when there's a experienced veteran like McKenzie available?

Parcells brought in Glenn, who had contract issues with Green Bay, and of course Keyshawn. I believe McKenzie gives his all (as he should) if he comes to Dallas.

[Kangaroo]

Great how everyone wants a guy that doesn't honor his contract. And now, seems to be dogging it somewhat.

Yep he's a Parcells' player. :rolleyes:

McKenzie is injured he had a hamstring injury

How many times have we seen guys hold out of training camp them come back after a couple games and struggle for a while or get injured because they are not in football shape and not use to being hit yet.

Second McKenzie wants a big contract and a 10 million type bonus by what ever team trades for him problem is he is not worth it.

You guys better get use to Reeves Nate Jones and Thorton

I bet powell will be resigned as well

Parcell is not going to get desparte and panic and give away a 1st or 2nd round pick and no way GB gives him to us for a 4th etc

Get those young guys coached up BP

[MichaelWinicki]

McKenzie is injured he had a hamstring injury

How many times have we seen guys hold out of training camp them come back after a couple games and struggle for a while or get injured because they are not in football shape and not use to being hit yet.

Second McKenzie wants a big contract and a 10 million type bonus by what ever team trades for him problem is he is not worth it.

You guys better get use to Reeves Nate Jones and Thorton

I bet powell will be resigned as well

Parcell is not going to get desparte and panic and give away a 1st or 2nd round pick and no way GB gives him to us for a 4th etc

Get those young guys coached up BP

I'm 90% certain we're going the direction you've pointed out above.

[slick325]

I think Jones and Parcells will be working the phones hard today. As someone previously pointed out, the problem is Green Bay will now press for more than a 2nd since we clearly have a "need". I would trade a 2nd for McKenzie and a lower pick but with the understanding that he will not be getting a mega contract.

On another note, I am not one who looks down on players "not honoring" their contracts because I do not get down on owners who rarely if ever "honor" players contracts. Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith were "cap causualities" that is a cute way of saying the owner will not "honor" your contract for the next season. Although at the time the owner and player agreed on 5yrs., it's now year 3 and we're gonna have to let you go for cap purposes. Gimme a break with the self righteous "honor your contract" crap. Football has the shortest career span of all the major sports so of course players want to maximize their dollars. Furthermore, the contracts are not guaranteed. Not even bonuses are "guaranteed", look at Ricky Williams situation. He has to pay them back because he no longer wanted to play. The 'Boys threatened Michael Irvin with the same thing when he thought of retirement following his arrest in that hotel. Players are considered "old" at age 30, what other profession is like that? And you all fault them from trying to maximize their dollar?

[OldButDeadly]

I'm 90% certain we're going the direction you've pointed out above.

Well then Mike....I would say this season is over as far as playoffs go....we can't roll with these guys....Gardner looked like Randy Moss out there last night....we were very fortunate to win....

If we roll with what we got...we are asking for 7-9....imho...

BTW Who is Powell playing with that we are going to sign him from???

Kev

[SA_Gunslinger]

NOTHING higher than a 2nd round pick.....don't let us down parcells!

[MichaelWinicki]

I think Jones and Parcells will be working the phones hard today. As someone previously pointed out, the problem is Green Bay will now press for more than a 2nd since we clearly have a "need". I would trade a 2nd for McKenzie and a lower pick but with the understanding that he will not be getting a mega contract.

On another note, I am not one who looks down on players "not honoring" their contracts because I do not get down on owners who rarely if ever "honor" players contracts. Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith were "cap causualities" that is a cute way of saying the owner will not "honor" your contract for the next season. Although at the time the owner and player agreed on 5yrs., it's now year 3 and we're gonna have to let you go for cap purposes. Gimme a break with the self righteous "honor your contract" crap. Football has the shortest career span of all the major sports so of course players want to maximize their dollars. Furthermore, the contracts are not guaranteed. Not even bonuses are "guaranteed", look at Ricky Williams situation. He has to pay them back because he no longer wanted to play. The 'Boys threatened Michael Irvin with the same thing when he thought of retirement following his arrest in that hotel. Players are considered "old" at age 30, what other profession is like that? And you all fault them from trying to maximize their dollar?


Yes I do fault them--a contract is a contract. And without getting into a legal argument the a team voiding a contract is their legal right and considered above board. A player purposely not honoring a signed contract is less than honorable. How would you like to contract to have a house built, invest thousands of dollars in it and then have the contractor just stop work and announce, "Well I'm not doing any more work unless I get more more money".

That would suck huh? Imagine if that's how everyone did business. Why should players be except from being honorable?

Oh I guess it's because they have short careers where they make more money in one year than many here do in their entire lives. That's a terrific reason. :rolleyes:

[slick325]

Yes I do fault them--a contract is a contract. And without getting into a legal argument the a team voiding a contract is their legal right and considered above board. A player purposely not honoring a signed contract is less than honorable. How would you like to contract to have a house built, invest thousands of dollars in it and then have the contractor just stop work and announce, "Well I'm not doing any more work unless I get more more money".

That would suck huh? Imagine if that's how everyone did business. Why should players be except from being honorable?

Oh I guess it's because they have short careers where they make more money in one year than many here do in their entire lives. That's a terrific reason. :rolleyes:

Mike,
You make a compelling argument but I can't feel sorry for owners who have more money than any of the players who make more in a year than many of us here will in our entire lives. I can never feel sorry for anyone who can pay $60 million dollars in players salary, another few million in coaches salary, add a few more million for staff at the facility and stadium AND they still end up making a profit.

[MichaelWinicki]

Mike,
You make a compelling argument but I can't feel sorry for owners who have more money than any of the players who make more in a year than many of us here will in our entire lives. I can never feel sorry for anyone who can pay $60 million dollars in players salary, another few million in coaches salary, add a few more million for staff at the facility and stadium AND they still end up making a profit.


Slick, I thank you for the compliment...

But consider this these owners (or their families) made this money... they earned it. Somewhere along the way someone took a chance and started a business or invested in something. Then they were smart enough to grow it to a huge point where they could invest into an NFL franchise. I don't begrudge them the money they make. Nor do I begrudge the players the money they make. All I ask is be honorable in what you do. If the owners do something that isn't above board I'll lite them up for it too. But the fact is Mike McKenzie isn't being honorable and if we can't take a man at his word what else do we have?

[slick325]

Slick, I thank you for the compliment...

But consider this these owners (or their families) made this money... they earned it. Somewhere along the way someone took a chance and started a business or invested in something. Then they were smart enough to grow it to a huge point where they could invest into an NFL franchise. I don't begrudge them the money they make. Nor do I begrudge the players the money they make. All I ask is be honorable in what you do. If the owners do something that isn't above board I'll lite them up for it too. But the fact is Mike McKenzie isn't being honorable and if we can't take a man at his word what else do we have?

I can respect that view Mike.

[Kittymama]

What's the big knock on this team? That we've got all these "old" players? Why pick up an overrated FA? I'm curious as to why so many people are convinced that McKenzie is going to just magically revamp the offense. Um, look at last night's opposing team--all those high-profile Fantasy Football names that everyone thought would make such a superior team. Well, they sure haven't yet. FAs do not solve your problems. Someone like a Dillon, (or a TO, much as it pains me to say it) slipped in to an already solid team that's missing a piece, is a given. But this team is rebuilding, like it or not. Parcells is going to keep it competitive this year, but he's clearly looking at bringing up a new crop--that's why there are 2 solid young QBs sitting in the wings, & a lot of young defenders. You may not be happy with Eddie & Vinny, but they're clearly only here for a year, to hold down the fort & teach the youngsters. (And in defense of Eddie--um, I seem to recall that high-priced stud Portis couldn't punch it in at the one, but old broken-down Eddie did.)

What would McKenzie be? He's got only a few more years left, at best. Who knows that McKenzie is even going to be able to play? Yeah, he played last year but hasn't at all this year. What's to say that he doesn't turn out to be another Wiley--& then where would we be? Losing a valuable draft pick, paying too much, & stuck with a guy who's really only going to be around for a few more years. Even assuming that he does pan out, he'd be going in to decline at a point when the rest of the team would be peaking. And he's not a Woody who, even tho he's slowing, is a class act & a team leader.

Realistically, here's how I see the season playing out. I doubt Vinny lasts the season. Hopefully, he's in it at least thru Thanksgiving. We've got some easier games coming up--with luck we get some large leads & Romo/Henson get some playing time. This may be cold, but the best thing for this team may be to have a situation similar to the Jags last year. If Vinny goes down, one of those two becomes the starter & starts getting some experience. Meanwhile, let's get real--Woody isn't coming back. But, he's around for the rest of the season, hopefully, to school the babies. Like them or not, all of those youngsters are going to have to take off their diapers & step it up this year. They either do it, or Parcells knows who needs to get replaced next year. Rather than stick in stopgap measures like a McKenzie, who really isn't going to do much for the team overall, let's see what the group we've got can do. We're not the only team where players are dropping like flies--every team is going to have to work around their injuries. That's life in today's NFL. Parcells is probably one of the best coaches in the game at working with what he's got & winning (Belichick being another, Fox & Del Rio starting to look like it). What would you rather have down the line--a Tampa Bay that wins one & tanks, or a New England that may not be exciting but is solid & a contender every year? Well, who rebuilt New England in the first place? Dallas has had the Tampa Bay model--some glory years but then major tanking. Why not try the slow but steady model?

[mperfection]

Yes I do fault them--a contract is a contract. And without getting into a legal argument the a team voiding a contract is their legal right and considered above board. A player purposely not honoring a signed contract is less than honorable. How would you like to contract to have a house built, invest thousands of dollars in it and then have the contractor just stop work and announce, "Well I'm not doing any more work unless I get more more money".

That would suck huh? Imagine if that's how everyone did business. Why should players be except from being honorable?

Oh I guess it's because they have short careers where they make more money in one year than many here do in their entire lives. That's a terrific reason. :rolleyes:

Once you calm down, I think that even you would agree that there really are two sides to this coin. :(

[boysfanindc]

I think just from a number stand point we need to pick up another corner now that Hunter is down. Don't think it will be Mckenzie though.

I actually have more hope for Reeves then hunter.

Yes he got beat last night, but he was in good coverage position most of the night and atleast he tries to make plays on the ball.

A bye week and going into a game knowing he is the starter should help him alot.

[MichaelWinicki]

Once you calm down, I think that even you would agree that there really are two sides to this coin. :(

MP, yes that may be true but a contract is a contract. You go through one experience where someone has reneged on a contract (or tried to--I use damn good contracts!) and you may not be so kind to folks that break their word.

[mperfection]

MP, yes that may be true but a contract is a contract. You go through one experience where someone has reneged on a contract (or tried to--I use damn good contracts!) and you may not be so kind to folks that break their word.

Trust me, it took a lot out of me to even the make the statement that there are two sides to this coin. Personally, I'd like to believe that I am a man of my word, and very loyal (within principle, that is). And I'm not completely sold on Mike McKenzie the person. Actually, I would only want him on a short term basis, 1-2 years, UNLESS he showed me something of substance during those two years. Having said all of that, why do we call it "immature" and/or "disloyal" when a player does not fulfill his contract and owners do it all the time? I know that owners have to be concerned about the salary cap and all, but let's face it, owners extend contracts all the time, giving out bigger salaries and signing bonuses to players of their choice.

Is it universally an anathema when a player, who may be under contract, becomes personally perturbed when he sees other players at his position become the recipients of such windfalls and he doesn't, especially when by all appearances he has been as productive as said players?

Just wondering...

[Kittymama]

FWIW--On Mick's notes today, he said Jerry LAST NIGHT shot down the idea of McKenzie & that Thornton is going to have to step up.

[Kittymama]

Here's the exact quote:

No matter what you think, and again, this is not like playing fantasy football where you can go get what you need when you need it, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones doused any thoughts of trading for a cornerback now that it appears Hunter will be lost for the season. They simply have two weeks to get rookie Bruce Thornton ready.

[dbair1967]

when we DONT trade for Mike McKenzie today or tomorrow, will this stuff finally go away?

he isnt coming here

David

[slick325]

when we DONT trade for Mike McKenzie today or tomorrow, will this stuff finally go away?

he isnt coming here

David

I doubt it as well but he is an option for our cornerback depth issue. Plus, the trading deadline isn't until prior to week 6 so you'll have to suffer a little longer David.

[Kittymama]

when we DONT trade for Mike McKenzie today or tomorrow, will this stuff finally go away?

he isnt coming here

David

Unfortunately, we'll probably continue to have to listen to all the armchair QBs who are MUCH better coaches than Parcells (but mysteriously have never actually coached!) b**** all season about how we should have gotten Dillon, Collins (or Delhomme as Randy Galloway keeps droning on & on), Ty Law, & now McKenzie--apparently because they would automatically get us right into the Super Bowl. Those are some of the same people who thought Mario Edwards was a bum last year but now think he's apparently the greatest corner ever. I almost hope we could get McKenzie, just to see him turn into a bust & shut people up.