Palm Beach Post: Quinn's draft drop still stings

[Angus]

Quinn's draft drop still stings

By ANDREW ABRAMSON

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Wednesday, June 27, 2007

PALM BEACH GARDENS — What could have been a dream scenario for Dolphins fans became nothing more than a tease.

But Quinn, in town for the NFL's rookie symposium at PGA National, wore a Cleveland Browns shirt. He said he was stunned when the Dolphins passed over him and instead drafted Ohio State receiver Ted Ginn Jr. with the ninth pick in the NFL Draft.

"At that point we pretty much thought it was a done deal," Quinn said.

Quinn said Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis had talked with the Dolphins, and was led to believe Miami would select Quinn if he was available.

"That was something said to (Weis by the Dolphins)," Quinn said.

Weis and Dolphins officials were unavailable for comment Tuesday, but Quinn said he's come to terms with being drafted No. 22 overall - far below his projected status. The Dolphins elected to go with Ginn, before drafting quarterback John Beck out of Brigham Young in the second round.

"A team's going to pick based on what they need," Quinn said. "Maybe (drafting Ginn and Beck is) what they wanted all along and they were trying to hide that."

On Tuesday all 255 rookies participated in a clinic with kids from the Palm Beach Gardens Pop Warner football team.

Ginn and Beck were there, signing autographs and receiving their share of media interest. But the spotlight was on Quinn, the highest-profile rookie despite his draft free fall.

Dolphins fans, hoping for a long-term solution at quarterback, wanted that spotlight to take place in Miami.

"When it got to the Dolphins' pick, I knew there'd be a lot of pressure (for Miami to draft him) just because he was predicted to go so high," Beck said. "I don't think anybody would have guessed him to fall (past the Dolphins)."

Quinn said that a week after the draft, his friends e-mailed him a video clip on YouTube of the Dolphins' draft party fiasco. Fans booed coach Cam Cameron, and walked out of Dolphins headquarters after the team passed on Quinn.

"It feels good that a team's fans would feel that way about you," Quinn said.

Quinn spent hours waiting to be drafted while cameras chronicled his obvious frustration before he and his agent were led to a private room. The Browns eventually took him with the 22nd pick, though many anticipated they would draft him with the third overall pick.

Instead, the Browns went with offensive tackle Joe Thomas at No. 3, and then traded up to select Quinn at No. 22.

The difference cost Quinn millions of dollars, and his contract negotiations with Cleveland are stalling.

Cleveland coach Romeo Crennel said Quinn is in the running with Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson for the starting job. But Quinn may hold out while trying to land a contract for more money than is typical of a 22nd pick.

"I have complete faith in ... the Browns in getting this done," Quinn said. "I'd think they'd want to get me signed if they want me to compete for the starting job."

Quinn spoke with Beck this week, but Quinn sees Miami's decision coming down to the Dolphins wanting Ginn over Quinn, and not necessarily Beck over Quinn.

"There's so much emphasis put on where guys go in the draft," Quinn said. "You never look back at Tom Brady and say, 'Oh, he was a sixth-round pick, that's miraculous.' He was a great player all along.

"(Not drafting me) was something between (Dolphins General Manager) Randy Mueller and Coach Cameron and I don't have any hard feelings toward them. That was their decision, and Ted Ginn's a great player. I'm sure they're going to be happy with him."

Noteworthy: Ginn and Beck both said they will sign contracts before training camp opens.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/content/sports/epaper/2007/06/27/a1c_quinn_0627.html

[theogt]

I still get a chuckle from this. The Charlie Weis notes are great.

[Vintage]

"I have complete faith in ... the Browns in getting this done," Quinn said. "I'd think they'd want to get me signed if they want me to compete for the starting job."



No Quinn, YOU should want to compete for the starting job.

[BouncingCheese]

Too bad, so sad. He should have won a big game in college. Oh and played against better teams. He should be happy he was selected 22nd; I mean two years ago he wasn't even sniffing the first day of the draft.

[Roughneck]

Quinn said he's come to terms with being drafted No. 22 overall Quinn may hold out while trying to land a contract for more money than is typical of a 22nd pick.He's come to terms with it, huh?

[Vintage]

He's come to terms with it, huh?

To be fair, the author is just speculating....

[WoodysGirl]

Quinn's draft drop still stings Imagine how the guys who didn't get drafted feel.

Stuff like this gets old to me. Every year, we get guys who whine about where they were drafted. If you're drafted or have a chance to make the team, shut it.

[BouncingCheese]

Imagine how the guys who didn't get drafted feel.

Stuff like this gets old to me. Every year, we get guys who whine about where they were drafted. If you're drafted or have a chance to make the team, shut it.


Agreed.

[superpunk]

Imagine how the guys who didn't get drafted feel.

Stuff like this gets old to me. Every year, we get guys who whine about where they were drafted. If you're drafted or have a chance to make the team, shut it.

It is ALOT of money he lost.

Especially when he could have come out the year before and owned the place.

[Sam I Am]

No Quinn, YOU should want to compete for the starting job.

Bingo. This kid is going to be a complete failure. Not only does he have issues with his skills, he is almost topped out potential wise, and he has an ***-backwards outlook on everything. Not only would he have been a bust as a top 10 pick, he would be a bust as a second round pick.

:loser:

[theogt]

It is ALOT of money he lost.

Especially when he could have come out the year before and owned the place.I'm not sure where he would have landed in '06. He wouldn't have been drafted higher than Leinart who went, what, 10th or so? He might have been 5 or so spots higher. Or he may have dropped past 22nd.

Then you have to consider the cap situation from this year to last. I'm sure the rookie contracts might jump a little bit.

[stilltheguru]

i dont know y but i dont like brady quinn at all.


that is all.

[burmafrd]

Love how so many are so sure Quinn is going to fail. I guess you were the same guys who were so sure Henson was going to be a great QB.

[Vintage]

Love how so many are so sure Quinn is going to fail. I guess you were the same guys who were so sure Henson was going to be a great QB.


Only one person in this thread said Quinn was going to fail.

[dogunwo]

I'm not sure where he would have landed in '06. He wouldn't have been drafted higher than Leinart who went, what, 10th or so? He might have been 5 or so spots higher. Or he may have dropped past 22nd.

Then you have to consider the cap situation from this year to last. I'm sure the rookie contracts might jump a little bit.
He definitely would have been the third QB taken in the draft the year before, I dont see how it can be argued otherwise.

[burmafrd]

Oh, come on Vintage. You know more will pile on. Maybe they don't come out and SAY it, but that is their attitude.

[burmafrd]

3 rd QB taken? interesting. Since at THAT time he was rated the top QB by Scouts and several others in their Post Bowl ratings- before he made it clear he was coming back.

[Alexander]

Quinn spoke with Beck this week, but Quinn sees Miami's decision coming down to the Dolphins wanting Ginn over Quinn, and not necessarily Beck over Quinn.

"There's so much emphasis put on where guys go in the draft," Quinn said. "You never look back at Tom Brady and say, 'Oh, he was a sixth-round pick, that's miraculous.' He was a great player all along.

"(Not drafting me) was something between (Dolphins General Manager) Randy Mueller and Coach Cameron and I don't have any hard feelings toward them. That was their decision, and Ted Ginn's a great player. I'm sure they're going to be happy with him."

There have been reports that Miami had Beck rated higher on their board than Quinn. I wonder who is right? Those or the player who is still struggling to cope with it, regardless of what this article states.

[theogt]

Oh, come on Vintage. You know more will pile on. Maybe they don't come out and SAY it, but that is their attitude.I will openly say I think he'll "fail." I've been saying it for a long time now. I think he's no better than Eli Manning will ever be. Not horrible, but not Pro Bowl material.

There have been reports that Miami had Beck rated higher on their board than Quinn. I wonder who is right? Those or the player who is still struggling to cope with it, regardless of what this article states.Indeed. There were reports of teams ranking him as a late 2nd/3rd rounder -- something I was derided for suggesting during the late '06 season.

[Jay-D]

QUINN IS GOING TO FAIL........MISERABLY.

There, I said it.

[BouncingCheese]

There have been reports that Miami had Beck rated higher on their board than Quinn. I wonder who is right? Those or the player who is still struggling to cope with it, regardless of what this article states.

John Beck is going to work in Miami with (Cam Cameron, is it?) the new head coach.

Perfect fit for that Qb imo.

[burmafrd]

a few teams might have had Quinn in the 2nd rd. So what? A few teams probably had Russell in the 2nd rd- I heard some RUMORS of that as well. The Boys had him in the top 10, so did a lot of other teams. the CONSENSUS was that BQ was a top 10 prospect.

[theogt]

a few teams might have had Quinn in the 2nd rd. So what? A few teams probably had Russell in the 2nd rd- I heard some RUMORS of that as well. The Boys had him in the top 10, so did a lot of other teams. the CONSENSUS was that BQ was a top 10 prospect.I don't think there were any teams that had Russell rated as a 2nd rounder. There weren't any rumors of that that I'm aware of. I think you're just making things up as you go now.

Who cares what the consensus is. It was wrong this year, if you can say that such a thing exists.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Highest profile rookie? I would go into the reason for that but it wouldn't be well received on this site..:laugh2:

I will say one word to describe this jerk: OVERRATED

[burmafrd]

In YOUR opinion the consensus was wrong. And there were RUMORS-just as valid as the ones YOU claim- that a couple of teams had Russell in the 2nd rd.

[burmafrd]

I notice some of Romos biggest fans saying that he was not getting good protection and the D was putting too much pressure on him. Thats why he did not look so good. BQ had that problem the WHOLE last season. He even had a WR with the drops as well(McKnight). He had ONE really good WR, a somewhat decent 2nd, no 3rd, and the really good TE he had was injured a lot. That up against what was the 12th or so toughest schedule in the nation. tougher then OSU, Michigan, Texas.

[ThreeSportStar80]

I notice some of Romos biggest fans saying that he was not getting good protection and the D was putting too much pressure on him. Thats why he did not look so good. BQ had that problem the WHOLE last season. He even had a WR with the drops as well(McKnight). He had ONE really good WR, a somewhat decent 2nd, no 3rd, and the really good TE he had was injured a lot. That up against what was the 12th or so toughest schedule in the nation. tougher then OSU, Michigan, Texas.

Oh would you stop being a Brady Quinn/Notre Dame apologist for crying out loud! So I guess the reports from minicamps of him being inaccurate were far fetched too huh...:confused:

[superpunk]

Did someone summon me?

http://www.etruth.com/media/NewsPhotos/25826_websm.jpg

I choose you, Quinnachu!

[burmafrd]

I have just as much a RIGHT to defend him as for you to attack him. This is still a free board, last time I looked.

[BouncingCheese]

Did someone summon me?

http://www.etruth.com/media/NewsPhotos/25826_websm.jpg

I choose you, Quinnachu!


:laugh2: :lmao:

[ThreeSportStar80]

I have just as much a RIGHT to defend him as for you to attack him. This is still a free board, last time I looked.

Okay, I will send Brady boy over there to fix you a cup of hot cocoa in minute...:laugh2: Quinn is what he is..nothing with make that change.

[Vintage]

I notice some of Romos biggest fans saying that he was not getting good protection and the D was putting too much pressure on him. Thats why he did not look so good. BQ had that problem the WHOLE last season. He even had a WR with the drops as well(McKnight). He had ONE really good WR, a somewhat decent 2nd, no 3rd, and the really good TE he had was injured a lot. That up against what was the 12th or so toughest schedule in the nation. tougher then OSU, Michigan, Texas.

Actually, this is a valid point.

[BouncingCheese]

I notice some of Romos biggest fans saying that he was not getting good protection and the D was putting too much pressure on him. Thats why he did not look so good. BQ had that problem the WHOLE last season. He even had a WR with the drops as well(McKnight). He had ONE really good WR, a somewhat decent 2nd, no 3rd, and the really good TE he had was injured a lot. That up against what was the 12th or so toughest schedule in the nation. tougher then OSU, Michigan, Texas.

I agree with you burmfrd and Vintage to a point.

I thought he had a very bad offensive line IMHO....

Even with that said I still don't know about him.

He hasn't won a big game in college against a top 25 team and that is a concern if I am a GM.

[burmafrd]

2005 game against unbeaten and #1 USC. If not for the illegal push that got leinart across the goal line ON THE LAST PLAY ND wins that game- BQ took them down the field to go ahead in the last 2 minutes. ND just did not have the defensive talent to play the best - not even close. There was not one decent offensive team that hung up less then 21 pts on ND the last 2 years. The good ones all put up 30; the best around 40.

[theogt]

In YOUR opinion the consensus was wrong. And there were RUMORS-just as valid as the ones YOU claim- that a couple of teams had Russell in the 2nd rd.The consensus was that he was a top 10 pick this year. He wasn't. How is that my opinion?

I notice some of Romos biggest fans saying that he was not getting good protection and the D was putting too much pressure on him. Thats why he did not look so good. BQ had that problem the WHOLE last season. He even had a WR with the drops as well(McKnight). He had ONE really good WR, a somewhat decent 2nd, no 3rd, and the really good TE he had was injured a lot. That up against what was the 12th or so toughest schedule in the nation. tougher then OSU, Michigan, Texas.I don't care about his stats. I don't care about his defense or his WRs. It was when he would stand there with all the time in the world with a WR wide open only to throw it in the dirt or sail it over the receiver's head. He did that about about 4-5 times a game. It was maddening.

When Romo starts doing that, you'll see me jump all over his ***.

[Roughneck]

Love how so many are so sure Quinn is going to fail.I have no reason to believe that Brady Quinn will fail as an NFL QB but then again I also have no reason to believe that he'll be a successful one either. Right now he's just a rookie QB on a bad team that is trying to learn a new offense, which means that, whatever action Quinn does see this fall, most likely will not be very pretty for Cleveland fans. Thus is the life of your average rookie QB in the NFL. Whether he will be a success or a failure in the League will not be determined during the 2007 Season but then again this is pretty much the only season in which I will give a rat's *** how the Browns/Quinn do. So he can go ahead and have a long productive NFL career for all I care. As long as he follows the path crappiness in his first year and sets us up with a nice juicy top ten pick in 2008.

[burmafrd]

The arguement is that some are claiming he was NOT rated a top 10 pick. He slipped- like Leinart the year before, Brady, Marino, etc.

[burmafrd]

Browns are going to stink to a certain extent no matter what this year. Just a matter of how bad.

[theogt]

The arguement is that some are claiming he was NOT rated a top 10 pick. He slipped- like Leinart the year before, Brady, Marino, etc.Well, the "consensus" was that he would be picked in the top 10 this year. That "consensus" turned out wrong. So what's the point of saying he was a "consensus" top 10 pick last year? He may have slipped then as well. Teams would certainly have been hesitant to draft a guy that high with only 1 good season. Where the fans think a player will go and what the NFL GMs think of players is sometimes a big difference.

[CrazyCowboy]

Quinn should build a bridge and get over it..........

[cujo]

Only one person in this thread said Quinn was going to fail.




Make that two. I've never liked inaccurate qbs. Especially inaccurate qbs who had their best games against teams like Army and Navy.

[burmafrd]

Quite a few QBs that are doing well in the NFL had their best games against teams that were not exactly NC contenders. Innaccurate? Nope. Certainly not as accurate as aikman was (who is?) but his stats are about the same as most top QBs picked. His TD to INT ratio over the last two years was as good as they get.

[Chocolate Lab]

"Maybe (drafting Ginn and Beck is) what they wanted all along and they were trying to hide that."

Gee, Brady... Ya think?

Like WG, said, I'm so sick of these guys whining. Did Rodgers get this much boo-hooing when he fell even farther than Quinn a couple of years ago? I don't think so.

Lesson to potential draftees: NFL GMs -- the only people who really matter -- don't care what Mel Kiper, draftdaddy.com, your college coach, or your snake-oil-selling agent have to say. So quit reading your own press clippings and be thankful you have the opportunity to make incredible money playing a game that tons of less-talented players would play almost for free.