Watching the replay of NFL Networks Giants vs Niner game i learned something.

[stilltheguru]

Parcells was a fool for not giving my boy TO the ball more. That was one of the most dominating wide reciever performances in NFL playoff history. But i guess we couldnt use him that way against the likes of Pete Hunter in last years playoffs.:bang2:



Thanks alot Bill!

[superpunk]

TO was targeted on more passes than Marvin harrison, Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne and Lee Evans.

The only receivers who were thrown more passes than Terrell Owens last year were Torry Holt, Andre Johnson and Donald Driver.

/thread.

[stilltheguru]

TO was targeted on more passes than Marvin harrison, Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne and Lee Evans.

The only receivers who were thrown more passes than Terrell Owens last year were Torry Holt, Andre Johnson and Donald Driver.

/thread.


I am mainly talking about the playoff game where the seahawks were trotting out real estate agents to defend our pro bowl wr.

[Coakleys Dad]

heard

[superpunk]

I am mainly talking about the playoff game where the seahawks were trotting out real estate agents to defend our pro bowl wr.

Fair enough.

I'd take that up with Tony Romo, moreso - but that's just me.

[AbeBeta]

Fair enough.

I'd take that up with Tony Romo, moreso - but that's just me.

I'd take it up with the weather man too.

[dargonking999]

Fair enough.

I'd take that up with Tony Romo, moreso - but that's just me.


I heard that T.O. told bill that game, that Romo was a Homo, and that he was gonna tell if he didn't retire.


And thats Why Romo didn't throw him the ball

[Coakleys Dad]

I heard that T.O. told bill that game, that Romo was a Homo, and that he was gonna tell if he didn't retire.


And thats Why Romo didn't throw him the ball
lol:D

[dcfanatic]

Parcells was a fool for not giving my boy TO the ball more. That was one of the most dominating wide reciever performances in NFL playoff history. But i guess we couldnt use him that way against the likes of Pete Hunter in last years playoffs.:bang2:



Thanks alot Bill!


Who is this parcells you speak of?

[CrazyCowboy]

T.O. will get the rock this year.

[stilltheguru]

T.O. will get the rock this year.



If thats the case we will get the wins then.

[CowboyJeff]

I'd take it up with the weather man too.

:lmao:

[fiveandcounting]

Parcells was a fool for not giving my boy TO the ball more. That was one of the most dominating wide reciever performances in NFL playoff history. But i guess we couldnt use him that way against the likes of Pete Hunter in last years playoffs.:bang2:



Thanks alot Bill!

"my boy"?:rolleyes:

[joseephuss]

TO was targeted on more passes than Marvin harrison, Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne and Lee Evans.

The only receivers who were thrown more passes than Terrell Owens last year were Torry Holt, Andre Johnson and Donald Driver.

/thread.

That is all true. I was just disappointed in the ways they tried to get him the ball. I think he was under utilized in that fashion, especially toward the end of the year. They seemed to limit the types of routes he ran. And that is not really just a complaint about using T.O. I thought the same thing when Joey Galloway was here in Parcells offense. I don't think that offense got the most out of either receiver. Couple that with T.O. dropping the ball and you don't get a great combination. Not that it was bad because he put up good numbers, but it could have been better.

[WoodysGirl]

Watching the game now...and it was really a good game.

And it's interesting cuz watching the Giants play reminded me of the Cowboys. Get a big lead and then relax. It was a game where they should've put their foot on the 49ers neck, they let 'em back in the game.

[DanTanna]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/dantanna86/parcells.jpg

[superpunk]

That is all true. I was just disappointed in the ways they tried to get him the ball. I think he was under utilized in that fashion, especially toward the end of the year. They seemed to limit the types of routes he ran. And that is not really just a complaint about using T.O. I thought the same thing when Joey Galloway was here in Parcells offense. I don't think that offense got the most out of either receiver. Couple that with T.O. dropping the ball and you don't get a great combination. Not that it was bad because he put up good numbers, but it could have been better.

This might be right. Similar to the thoughts that we should have had Ware blitzing more, we should have had Roy down in the box more - although doing what you suggest for TO wouldn't put the rest of the team in a bind like those other two would.

One thing I'd ask of anyone, or noone in particular - did you ever get the impression that we got the same Owens we were all familiar with? Yeah, he's still great - but in previous years, if he got the ball on a bubble screen in the flats, you were scared out of your mind. I never got that feeling this year. Yeah, he was nice, and he broke a few tackles...but I never really saw that gamebreaking ability on HGUE display. If that makes any sense.

He might just be getting too old for that.

[tomson75]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/dantanna86/parcells.jpg

Dood...check out the CHILF in the bottom right!

[dargonking999]

This might be right. Similar to the thoughts that we should have had Ware blitzing more, we should have had Roy down in the box more - although doing what you suggest for TO wouldn't put the rest of the team in a bind like those other two would.

One thing I'd ask of anyone, or noone in particular - did you ever get the impression that we got the same Owens we were all familiar with? Yeah, he's still great - but in previous years, if he got the ball on a bubble screen in the flats, you were scared out of your mind. I never got that feeling this year. Yeah, he was nice, and he broke a few tackles...but I never really saw that gamebreaking ability on HGUE display. If that makes any sense.

He might just be getting too old for that.

I think it was because teams were more concerned about that. They knew that Parcells probably would run some plays like that. Whenever we did those bubble screens T.O. would shave that initial defender, but then two and three would get there before he could get going. He had at least 2 or 3 people watching him at all times.

[superpunk]

I think it was because teams were more concerned about that. They knew that Parcells probably would run some plays like that. Whenever we did those bubble screens T.O. would shave that initial defender, but then two and three would get there before he could get going. He had at least 2 or 3 people watching him at all times.

So - in line with the thread's topic - do you believe that getting him the ball in those situations MORE often would have done any good? For whatever reason, he wasn't that dynamic in those situations - which are the situations everyone keeps hoping we put him in (screens, slants, etc.). If he wasn't that effective running them (Age, hand injury...couldn't fight off the line) why would we want to run them more?

[WoodysGirl]

Boy did this game end ugly.

TO personal foul for taunting after the TD - offset by Shaun Williams retaliation

Another TO personal foul for a late hit after the missed 2 pt conversion. - offset by retaliation by Omar Stoutmire. Stoutmire DQ'd from the game.

Surpised TO wasn't kicked out too after back to back penalties.

Alot of heat was displayed by both squads.

[dargonking999]

So - in line with the thread's topic - do you believe that getting him the ball in those situations MORE often would have done any good? For whatever reason, he wasn't that dynamic in those situations - which are the situations everyone keeps hoping we put him in (screens, slants, etc.). If he wasn't that effective running them (Age, hand injury...couldn't fight off the line) why would we want to run them more?

No i don't, i think we need to send T.O. on some "real" routes, that allow him to attack spots on the defense, and use his ability to break tackles in the secondary. It's alot easier to break and tackle and take it to the house against a safety or a corner deep down the sideline. As opposed to 2 yards behind the LOS with a CB, LB, and S staring at you.

[Kilyin]

Who is this parcells you speak of?

http://www. .com/images/zonebanner1-may14.gif


I dig the sig man, nice stuff. Made me chuckle.

[dcfanatic]

The best part of this game was that Shockey dropped an easy TD late in the game and the crowd was all over him. This was the game where the security guys had to come down and separate him from yelling at the crowd after he threw ice over his shoulder at them from the bench.

[JaiRiid]

Kyle Kosier was sub'ed in during the game as well... you can also see Jason Garrett standing on the sideline in the Giants uniform...

Kosier and Garrett... now those are my boys...:D

[Cowboy4ever]

I am not a TO fan at all, but I think his hand hindered his abilities alot more than we think. He could or wouldn't use the stiff arm or use that hand to throw people off him, it had to also slow him down getting off the line in bump situations. Maybe the coachs knew that he was having some problems and that is why they didn't try to involve him in more slants, and quick hits. And used him as a deep threat where he could catch the ball in space. Just a thought.

[tunahelper]

TO did look unstoppable in that game. Hopefully we can feed him the ball like the WC offenses he played in does?

[stilltheguru]

TO did look unstoppable in that game. Hopefully we can feed him the ball like the WC offenses he played in does?



^Thank you. Thats how i want him used. We have a beast. USE HIM!

[Bob Sacamano]

That is all true. I was just disappointed in the ways they tried to get him the ball. I think he was under utilized in that fashion, especially toward the end of the year. They seemed to limit the types of routes he ran. And that is not really just a complaint about using T.O. I thought the same thing when Joey Galloway was here in Parcells offense. I don't think that offense got the most out of either receiver. Couple that with T.O. dropping the ball and you don't get a great combination. Not that it was bad because he put up good numbers, but it could have been better.

that's because he didn't know all his routes

[Kilyin]

that's because he didn't know all his routes

Uh, bullsht. How many years has TO played WR in the NFL? And you actually think he doesn't know all the routes? Seriously, I don't care what you read in the media, that's the dumbest thing I've heard all year.

[dcfanatic]

Uh, bullsht. How many years has TO played WR in the NFL? And you actually think he doesn't know all the routes? Seriously, I don't care what you read in the media, that's the dumbest thing I've heard all year.

I am not saying he did or didn't know the playbook, but just being an NFL player for years has nothing to do with knowing the offensive calls. Every team runs different combo routes which have a unique name so if he didn't know the calls that were being made then he would not 'know the route' he was supposed to be running in a certain situation.

Like I said none of us will know one way or the other, but there was a lot of communication between Romo and T.O. when the huddle broke on more than a few occasions last season. This may have been Romo telling T.O. his responsibility on the play.

[Bob Sacamano]

Uh, bullsht. How many years has TO played WR in the NFL? And you actually think he doesn't know all the routes? Seriously, I don't care what you read in the media, that's the dumbest thing I've heard all year.

dude, TO played in the WCO his whole career and switched to a completely new offense last year, they didn't give him more routes than the ones they had him run because he showed that he couldn't assimilate more, or the coaches felt that he wasn't

[Bob Sacamano]

I am not saying he did or didn't know the playbook, but just being an NFL player for years has nothing to do with knowing the offensive calls. Every team runs different combo routes which have a unique name so if he didn't know the calls that were being made then he would not 'know the route' he was supposed to be running in a certain situation.

Like I said none of us will know one way or the other, but there was a lot of communication between Romo and T.O. when the huddle broke on more than a few occasions last season. This may have been Romo telling T.O. his responsibility on the play.

exactly, like our offensive system now, the routes are numbered, the system in place last year used a different order

this BS I'm hearing that the coaches wouldn't give him more routes to run is assinine

[Kilyin]

I just find it extremely hard to believe that having played in a WCO offense for much of his career (a heavily pass oriented offense) that TO didn't 'know the pass routes'. Whether the terminology varies or not, football is football, and a fly pattern is a fly pattern. And whether you like him or not, TO is one of the best wideouts in the league. The guy knows the routes. If the playbook was/is the problem, then maybe it needs to be simplified.

Personally, like many others, I tend to believe his injured hand/finger was the problem. I think we see the real TO this year.