Something on the Vick Indictment Just Dawned on Me

[Hostile]

Vick's cousin was living at the house. His name is Davon Boddie. At one time he fell on the sword and took blame for this, but he also has said he believes the dogs were "planted" to trap him.

He is NOT named in the indictment against Vick and 3 others.

Can you say State's Evidence?

[03EBZ06]

It will be interesting to see who are the CWs and other witnesses are and whether or not those in the indictment will turn against eachother.

[Crown Royal]

Vick's cousin was living at the house. His name is Davon Boddie. At one time he fell on the sword and took blame for this, but he also has said he believes the dogs were "planted" to trap him.

He is NOT named in the indictment against Vick and 3 others.

Can you say States Evidence?

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[Bob Sacamano]

Mike sold him out 1st

[StanleySpadowski]

Vick's cousin was living at the house. His name is Davon Boddie. At one time he fell on the sword and took blame for this, but he also has said he believes the dogs were "planted" to trap him.

He is NOT named in the indictment against Vick and 3 others.

Can you say States Evidence?

And you just noticed this?


I wouldn't bet on it, but it's not entirely uncommon for a lesser "fish" to not be named in an indictment just to give the appearance that the person is cooperating to those under indictment.

[Hostile]

And you just noticed this?


I wouldn't bet on it, but it's not entirely uncommon for a lesser "fish" to not be named in an indictment just to give the appearance that the person is cooperating to those under indictment.Yes, I just noticed it. I hadn't really paid attention to the other three names and put 2 and 2 together.

He was the original focus of the drug investigation that "uncovered" this ring so maybe they are focusing there. I just find it amazing that a Federal Indictment would exclude him.

[Teague31]

and it can be even worse. the federal rules of evidence are very lax when it comes to allowing hearsay testimony. so if the cousin has given statements in the past, they may be admissible even if he doesn't testify at the trial.

[trickblue]

Mike sold him out 1st

Yes he did...

I guarantee you he is one of the unnamed witnesses...

[joseephuss]

I would not be surprised if Marcus Vick comes out and testifies against his brother. His name is bound to turn up sooner or later.

[theogt]

Mike sold him out 1stWhat an ungrateful cousin. Doesn't he know that, after living the life for all these years on your cousin's dime, YOU are supposed to take the fall? If Mike goes to jail that screws the whole family.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I would not be surprised if Marcus Vick comes out and testifies against his brother. His name is bound to turn up sooner or later.


Yes, that's true. He'll be the guy parking cars at the Federal Courthouse in Virginia.

[Crown Royal]

Yes he did...

I guarantee you he is one of the unnamed witnesses...

Mike Vick is?

[J-DOG]

Yes, I just noticed it. I hadn't really paid attention to the other three names and put 2 and 2 together.

He was the original focus of the drug investigation that "uncovered" this ring so maybe they are focusing there. I just find it amazing that a Federal Indictment would exclude him.
The Feds will follow any paper-trail on this whole thing.
It seems to me that the Feds have something on Vick in that it shows he paid for or bought equipment for this dogfighting ring. I also think others have named Vick or put him at the dog-fights. His cousin not being named may mean that he is the Feds nark in all of this.
In hearing the details that went on at this house it makes me sick to my stomach to imagine those type of things.
I mean killing dogs because they wont fight...and the way they killed them.
Horrendous!

[Hostile]

The Feds will follow any paper-trail on this whole thing.
It seems to me that the Feds have something on Vick in that it shows he paid for or bought equipment for this dogfighting ring. I also think others have named Vick or put him at the dog-fights. His cousin not being named may mean that he is the Feds nark in all of this.
In hearing the details that went on at this house it makes me sick to my stomach to imagine those type of things.
I mean killing dogs because they wont fight...and the way they killed them.
Horrendous!Here's a quote by him.

As federal agents take action by moving in to do their own search (http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_060707_Vick.252bf371.html) of the Surrey County property owned by Michael Vick (http://football.about.com/od/nationalfootballleague/p/michaelvick.htm), the cousin of the Atlanta Falcons (http://football.about.com/od/teamsfalcons/Atlanta_Falcons.htm) quarterback is stepping forward to accept responsibility. But it's not really clear what he is accepting responsibility for.

Davon Boddie, who lived on the property under investigation for dog fighting, had this to say to the Daily Press (http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-55057sy0jun08,0,687089.story?page=2):
"I want him (Goodell) to know that everything going on is really my fault," said Boddie. "I want to apologize to Atlanta Falcons fans for what's going on. It's a lot of drama."

Contrast that to this.

Davon Boddie (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/tag/DavonBoddie/), cousin of Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/tag/MichaelVick/), is watching his world crumble before his very eyes. As more and more evidence is discovered, the deeper his grave, and his cousin grave, is dug. With more than 30 dog carcasses (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/08/report-massive-k-9-grave-found-on-michael-vicks-property/) having been discovered on Vick's Virginia property, Boddie and Vick are now facing some serious criminal charges and a possible prison sentence.

Boddie has repeatedly said he had no knowledge of any dog fighting (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/08/vick-cousin-everything-going-on-is-really-my-fault/) that went on, but now he's taken it a step further. Not only does he claim this is all news to him, he actually believes that this is some sort of conspiracy (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm). During an interview with WAVY TV 10 (http://wavy.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=1497210&h1=Watch%20our%20exclusive%20interview%20with%20Da von%20Boddie,%20cousin%20to%20Michael%20Vick,%20in %20its%20entirety&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=698133&LaunchPageAdTag=Homepage&activePane=info&pl), he actually dares to hint that the original 66 dogs were planted by police.

[fortdick]

Hope Duane is in protective custody. Don't want to have to look for his Boddie! (LOL, I crack myself up.)

What is the over/under that someone gets whacked before this goes to trial?

[StanleySpadowski]

Hope Duane is in protective custody. Don't want to have to look for his Boddie! (LOL, I crack myself up.)

What is the over/under that someone gets whacked before this goes to trial?


I'm still betting that Boddie isn't the one who flipped. The feds want the Vick people to think he did to protect whomever it was who provided the info.

[fortdick]

I'm still betting that Boddie isn't the one who flipped. The feds want the Vick people to think he did to protect whomever it was who provided the info.


Might be a good tactic to get him to talk. . . . if he survives the confrontation to follow.

Aequitas - Veritas

[03EBZ06]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Feds had an informant working for "Bad Newz Kennels"

[CrazyCowboy]

This is going to get bad for Mike I am afraid

[03EBZ06]

I'm just wondering if any other NFL participated in Vick's sponsored dog fights?

I'm sure some of the players must have known about Vick's entrenuership, heck Clinton Portis sure had no problem with Vick's enterprise...just wondering.

[peplaw06]

and it can be even worse. the federal rules of evidence are very lax when it comes to allowing hearsay testimony. so if the cousin has given statements in the past, they may be admissible even if he doesn't testify at the trial.
They can be admissible if he is named as an unindicted co-conspirator. Other than that i don't see how they can come in unless he testifies. Do you practice in federal court or something? I wasn't aware that the hearsay rules are more lax in federal court, and my evidence class was solely concentrating on the federal rules.

[Big Dakota]

What an ungrateful cousin. Doesn't he know that, after living the life for all these years on your cousin's dime, YOU are supposed to take the fall? If Mike goes to jail that screws the whole family.


Let his whole family get a JOB like the rest of us.

[StanleySpadowski]

Might be a good tactic to get him to talk. . . . if he survives the confrontation to follow.

Aequitas - Veritas

Ya think it's just a coincidence that Vick's arraignment is scheduled for the same day the Falcons open camp?

There's some awfully ambitious and often ruthless people sitting in US Attorney chairs.

[Big Dakota]

Ya think it's just a coincidence that Vick's arraignment is scheduled for the same day the Falcons open camp?

There's some awfully ambitious and often ruthless people sitting in US Attorney chairs.



That's why it's good to stay OUT of the system.

[Seven]

Let his whole family get a JOB like the rest of us.
Slow down there Big dakota.
They're still working on DOG..........

[GimmeTheBall!]

Vick's cousin was living at the house. His name is Davon Boddie. At one time he fell on the sword and took blame for this, but he also has said he believes the dogs were "planted" to trap him.

He is NOT named in the indictment against Vick and 3 others.

Can you say State's Evidence?

Mr Mason, this is highly irregular

But I will admit it into the record

However, the defense, if they are smart, will impugn the reputation of the cuz and how he changed his story
I am sure the cuz is no higher on the cranial meter than Mikey and will be an easy target
After all, wasn't he living there?

[Seven]

I'm just wondering if any other NFL participated in Vick's sponsored dog fights?

Shockey showed up but left abruptly when informed they don't get to eat the dogs afterward. He was quoted as saying "Mike told me they had a pit where they put the dogs afterwards."

Blazing Heat Hearld
PHX, AZ

[sacase]

Once they read the indictment it will be pretty easy to figure out who is giving them their infomration. Who was at all the events that are listed in the indictment but wasn't named in the indictment. If you want to take it further you can even think of who wasn't at events NOT named in the indictment. They know who rolled and I am willing to bet he is in witness protection.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Mr Mason, this is highly irregular

But I will admit it into the record

However, the defense, if they are smart, will impugn the reputation of the cuz and how he changed his story
I am sure the cuz is no higher on the cranial meter than Mikey and will be an easy target
After all, wasn't he living there?

The defense could try to characterize this guy in a very poor light, there's no question about that. However, when the prosectution askes Boddie, Did Vick no about the opperation, did Vick Finance the opperation and did Vick participate in the opperation, and the answers come back as "Yes", no amount of picture painting is going to sway the Jury IMO.

[AtlCB]

Yes he did...

I guarantee you he is one of the unnamed witnesses...
He is defiitely not one of the unnamed cooperating witnesses. The indictment includes brief descriptions of what the CW's knew, and the CW's appear to be players in dog fighting. They owned fighting dogs and their dogs fought Vick's Bad Newz Kennels dogs.

[fortdick]

He is defiitely not one of the unnamed cooperating witnesses. The indictment includes brief descriptions of what the CW's knew, and the CW's appear to be players in dog fighting. They owned fighting dogs and their dogs fought Vick's Bad Newz Kennels dogs.

Sore losers?

[iceberg]

Vick's cousin was living at the house. His name is Davon Boddie. At one time he fell on the sword and took blame for this, but he also has said he believes the dogs were "planted" to trap him.

He is NOT named in the indictment against Vick and 3 others.

Can you say State's Evidence?

while waiting for a friend to get off work yesterday i was watching espn on my phone and it ain't pretty for the vick camp. his entire "i was never there" doesn't matter in how the charges are drawn up. it's his properly and they just have to prove he was aware of what was going on. but it sounded like they felt he was the ringleader and they're going for it all.

they also talked about what they did to the dogs that didn't perform. wet 'em down and electrocute, shoot 'em, slam them to the ground a lot...

the owner of the falcons is a HUGE dog lover from what they said and this has got to hurt ESP if vick was the lying piece of * i think he is to them. people can try to forgive a lot of things but losing faith/trust in a liar is a hard one to overcome.

[ABQCOWBOY]

while waiting for a friend to get off work yesterday i was watching espn on my phone and it ain't pretty for the vick camp. his entire "i was never there" doesn't matter in how the charges are drawn up. it's his properly and they just have to prove he was aware of what was going on. but it sounded like they felt he was the ringleader and they're going for it all.

they also talked about what they did to the dogs that didn't perform. wet 'em down and electrocute, shoot 'em, slam them to the ground a lot...

the owner of the falcons is a HUGE dog lover from what they said and this has got to hurt ESP if vick was the lying piece of * i think he is to them. people can try to forgive a lot of things but losing faith/trust in a liar is a hard one to overcome.


To be honest Ice, it's not going to matter if he was there or wasn't. I fully believe he was there and he knew but because the case has been classified as Conspiracy, he's on the hook for everything that happend on his property or any of the dogs that were sent across state lines that originated from his property. He's screwed.

[AtlCB]

Sore losers?

They claim that their dogs beat Vick's, and some said they helped execute Vick's dogs after the losses. One of the informants said he electrocuted one of the dogs at the request of Vick and with him present. :eek:

[iceberg]

To be honest Ice, it's not going to matter if he was there or wasn't. I fully believe he was there and he knew but because the case has been classified as Conspiracy, he's on the hook for everything that happend on his property or any of the dogs that were sent across state lines that originated from his property. He's screwed.

that's what espn was saying. they said his entire "but i'm neve there!!!" story wouldn't matter (and i KNOW is a freaking lie cause he told a friend of mine who worked on his PR in 2002 he spend his off-seasons there playing with his dogs - little did he know what "playing" really meant) and i hope they do nail him to the wall.

one speculation said he could get around 6 years for it, out in 3. if he does any jail time will any NFL team want him?

will they have the option to want him with the new commish around?

[03EBZ06]

that's what espn was saying. they said his entire "but i'm neve there!!!" story wouldn't matter (and i KNOW is a freaking lie cause he told a friend of mine who worked on his PR in 2002 he spend his off-seasons there playing with his dogs - little did he know what "playing" really meant) and i hope they do nail him to the wall.
He could say it until he turns blue but I don't believe proscuting team believes him and have evidence of otherwise. I certainly don't believe him.

one speculation said he could get around 6 years for it, out in 3. if he does any jail time will any NFL team want him?
Or he could deal with proscutor for less time. But even so, I'm not so sure any team would want him because he'll come with lot of baggage. There will be tremenous outcry from those who loves dogs and constant negative publicity is going to hurt a team.

[peplaw06]

that's what espn was saying. they said his entire "but i'm neve there!!!" story wouldn't matter (and i KNOW is a freaking lie cause he told a friend of mine who worked on his PR in 2002 he spend his off-seasons there playing with his dogs - little did he know what "playing" really meant) and i hope they do nail him to the wall.

one speculation said he could get around 6 years for it, out in 3. if he does any jail time will any NFL team want him?

will they have the option to want him with the new commish around?

Did they speculate as to when he would get out if he did 6 years? I know the average sentence served in the Texas state prison system, but I didn't know if the federal facilities were as overcrowded as everywhere else. I would suspect that they would be more likely to serve more of their sentence, but I don't know that for sure. But half of the sentence served is still more than the average in Texas, if you behave.

[ABQCOWBOY]

that's what espn was saying. they said his entire "but i'm neve there!!!" story wouldn't matter (and i KNOW is a freaking lie cause he told a friend of mine who worked on his PR in 2002 he spend his off-seasons there playing with his dogs - little did he know what "playing" really meant) and i hope they do nail him to the wall.

one speculation said he could get around 6 years for it, out in 3. if he does any jail time will any NFL team want him?

will they have the option to want him with the new commish around?

I'm not certain if the 6 years is accurate. I was wondering this myself and maybe some of our Legal folks could shed light. Is this 6 years for every count? If I'm not mistaken, he has been indicted for 10 counts. Is it 6 for every count? Are they served consecutively if found guilty or can you do them all at the same time?

[03EBZ06]

The media is reporting "up to 6 years and up to $350K fine" but I'm not sure how they came up with those numbers

[StanleySpadowski]

If you read the federal indictment carefully, you'll see that in the end, "dogfighting" isn't what he's ultimately being indicted for. There's a specific reason for this; He's facing 3 years and $250,000 per dog under Virginia law, various reports have put the numbers at around 70 dogs so he's facing over 200 years on the state level if and when the locals decide to go after him.

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you read the federal indictment carefully, you'll see that in the end, "dogfighting" isn't what he's ultimately being indicted for. There's a specific reason for this; He's facing 3 years and $250,000 per dog under Virginia law, various reports have put the numbers at around 70 dogs so he's facing over 200 years on the state level if and when the locals decide to go after him.

If it's RICO, it's 20 years for each count.

[jman]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano
Mike sold him out 1st

Yes he did...

I guarantee you he is one of the unnamed witnesses...

And didn't this whole thing start with a drug warrent for cuz in the first place...?

[ABQCOWBOY]

And didn't this whole thing start with a drug warrent for cuz in the first place...?


No, as I understand it, Boddie was busted for Drugs. When he was busted, he gave the Vick address as his residency. The Va. Commenwealth then issued a Search Warrent. When the local law showed up, they discovered the Dog Fighting equipment. They then called in the EPA folks (I believe) to investigate it. That automatically red flagged the ATF guys who had already been conducting an on-going investigation of Vick and his residence in Va.

I believe that's roughly correct.

[trickblue]

one speculation said he could get around 6 years for it, out in 3. if he does any jail time will any NFL team want him?

Then they need to do their homework...

There is NO PAROLE from Federal Prison...

Many of these morons are treating this like a state case. It's not, and the rules are different. The Feds don't mess around.

If Vick gets six years, he will be released six years from the date he was incarcerated; not a day sooner (unless they change the law).

[iceberg]

He could say it until he turns blue but I don't believe proscuting team believes him and have evidence of otherwise. I certainly don't believe him.


Or he could deal with proscutor for less time. But even so, I'm not so sure any team would want him because he'll come with lot of baggage. There will be tremenous outcry from those who loves dogs and constant negative publicity is going to hurt a team.

they talked about his being able to "deal" for a lesser sentence. what does he have to give? if he's the top dog and any info from him would only be used against him, what can he offer that would make them want to lessen the blow?

other than a full confession i can't see much.

[03EBZ06]

they talked about his being able to "deal" for a lesser sentence. what does he have to give? if he's the top dog and any info from him would only be used against him, what can he offer that would make them want to lessen the blow?

other than a full confession i can't see much.
If plea bargain then he would be saving tax payer's money so he has that going for him.

[ABQCOWBOY]

they talked about his being able to "deal" for a lesser sentence. what does he have to give? if he's the top dog and any info from him would only be used against him, what can he offer that would make them want to lessen the blow?

other than a full confession i can't see much.

If the gambling were linked to organized crime, that would be something they might consider. If he had info on a significant Drug distribution outfit, that might work. Something nobody has mentioned is steroids or the use of HGH. If he talked about usage in the NFL, that might be something high profile enough to get him some consideration. That would be very interesting.

[fortdick]

I'm not certain if the 6 years is accurate. I was wondering this myself and maybe some of our Legal folks could shed light. Is this 6 years for every count? If I'm not mistaken, he has been indicted for 10 counts. Is it 6 for every count? Are they served consecutively if found guilty or can you do them all at the same time?

If there are multiple convictions, sentences will surely be run concurrent with the mist serious. He is a first time offender. Consecutive sentences are really uncommon.

[ABQCOWBOY]

If there are multiple convictions, sentences will surely be run concurrent with the mist serious. He is a first time offender. Consecutive sentences are really uncommon.

So, if he gets nailed on the Federal gig, what happens in the case of getting convicted on State Charges as well? Does he do those as time served or are they tacked on after he serves his Six (assuming he gets convicted) for the Federal Conviction?

[SkinsandTerps]

Then they need to do their homework...

There is NO PAROLE from Federal Prison...

Many of these morons are treating this like a state case. It's not, and the rules are different. The Feds don't mess around.

If Vick gets six years, he will be released six years from the date he was incarcerated; not a day sooner (unless they change the law).

Actually if you get a ten year Federal sentence you would likely be released in 8 and a half. Its about an 85% sentence.

So, if he gets nailed on the Federal gig, what happens in the case of getting convicted on State Charges as well? Does he do those as time served or are they tacked on after he serves his Six (assuming he gets convicted) for the Federal Conviction?


Depends on how the state wants to deal with it. Most times they let people run concurrent with a Federal sentence, not tacked on. But from time to time the state wants their time too.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually if you get a ten year Federal sentence you would likely be released in 8 and a half. Its about an 85% sentence.




Depends on how the state wants to deal with it. Most times they let people run concurrent with a Federal sentence, not tacked on. But from time to time the state wants their time too.



Not the way I hear it. No parrol on a Federal stretch is how I hear it. I could be wrong. I have zero experience with it, personally.

[Doomsday101]

Not the way I hear it. No parrol on a Federal stretch is how I hear it. I could be wrong. I have zero experience with it, personally.

Fed time is straight time there is no 3 for 1 good time or 4-1 good time as it is in the state facilities

[SkinsandTerps]

Not the way I hear it. No parrol on a Federal stretch is how I hear it. I could be wrong. I have zero experience with it, personally.

Thankfully I don't either. But from what I recall there is no parole...

Fed time is straight time there is no 3 for 1 good time or 4-1 good time as it is in the state facilities

...but there is credit for good behavior/working or other stuff.

Still I could be wrong. But I know I read somewhere that 85% is typically the time served.

[peplaw06]

Actually if you get a ten year Federal sentence you would likely be released in 8 and a half. Its about an 85% sentence.With Mandatory Minimum Sentencing parole was abolished. But you can still get early release for good time. 85% of the sentence is the MINIMUM someone has to serve, that's if you behave yourself.

Many courts require you to serve ALL of it, and that's the trend, especially if you're a drug offender.

[Doomsday101]

Thankfully I don't either. But from what I recall there is no parole...



...but their is credit for good behavior/working or other stuff.

Still I could be wrong. But I know I read somewhere that 85% is typically the time served.

There is an organization looking to change the Fed prison system and allow parole to take place for non-violent crimes but it is not in effect as of yet and there is a good chance it will not change. Currently if you get 10 year you serve 10 years. Myself I think that is how it should be, you do the crime you do the time

[SkinsandTerps]

With Mandatory Minimum Sentencing parole was abolished. But you can still get early release for good time. 85% of the sentence is the MINIMUM someone has to serve, that's if you behave yourself.

Many courts require you to serve ALL of it, and that's the trend, especially if you're a drug offender.

That's what I thought. Thanks.

There is an organization looking to change the Fed prison system and allow parole to take place for non-violent crimes but it is not in effect as of yet and there is a good chance it will not change. Currently if you get 10 year you serve 10 years. Myself I think that is how it should be, you do the crime you do the time

:bang2:

Which is it ?

Although I will say that some criminals don't need to serve the entire sentence. IMO. Depends on the crime, the circumstances, etc.

[Doomsday101]

That's what I thought. Thanks.



:bang2:

Which is it ?

Although I will say that some criminals don't need to serve the entire sentence. IMO. Depends on the crime, the circumstances, etc.

This is from a group looking to change the current system:
The prisoners aren't being paroled because The Federal system no longer has Parole since Congress abolished Federal Parole in the mid 1980’s and passed harsh sentencing laws. However, State prisons still offer parole to state prisoners

As for it depends, as I said the criminal should have thought about what he was doing it before he did it.

[SkinsandTerps]

This is from a group looking to change the current system:
The prisoners aren't being paroled because The Federal system no longer has Parole since Congress abolished Federal Parole in the mid 1980’s and passed harsh sentencing laws. However, State prisons still offer parole to state prisoners

You can get out of jail early without having parole currently though.

[Doomsday101]

You can get out of jail early without having parole currently though.

peplaw06 says that you can and he very well could be right. I did know that there was no parole system in place at the federal level. If Vick is found guilty I hope he serves the time handed down.