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dmq
07-20-2007, 07:28 AM
I know its just me, but I would pack JJ and a 3rd for Larry and his fat contract.


Chiefs, Johnson in standoff over new deal


By Adam Schefter
Special to NFL.com

(July 19, 2007) -- We interrupt the wall-to-wall Michael Vick coverage that is going to last all summer to present another football story.

The biggest training camp battle isn't going to be between Kansas City quarterbacks Brodie Croyle and Damon Huard. It's going to be between Kansas City running back Larry Johnson and the Chiefs.

Over the past month, the two sides have been on vacation, not having had any contract talks since around mid-June. But each side returned this week, the first contract proposal was sent to the Chiefs, and now the game within the game begins.

Johnson is said to be dug in, entrenched, refusing to report to training camp until he has a new contract.

The Chiefs believe Johnson already has a contract, which has one year remaining on it, scheduled to pay the running back over $1.9 million this season.


Larry Johnson wants a deal similar to LaDainian Tomlinson's, but the Chiefs aren't budging.
Johnson is seeking somewhere in the vicinity of $28 million in guaranteed money, which is an easy enough number to trace. Three years ago, San Diego gave running back LaDainian Tomlinson a deal that included $21 million in bonuses. Since then, the salary cap has increased about 35 percent, which would make the guaranteed money in Tomlinson's deal worth about $28 million. At this time, Johnson is unwilling to take much less.

The Chiefs have countered with an offer of guaranteed money somewhere between $11 and $14 million, which is the bonus money paid to some of the game's other highest paid running backs, including San Francisco's Frank Gore, who received $14 million worth of guaranteed money last spring; Seattle's Shaun Alexander, who received $13.5 million worth of guaranteed money last year; Arizona's Edgerrin James, who got $11.5 million worth of guaranteed money last year; and New Orleans' Deuce McAllister, who landed $11 million worth of guaranteed money in his extension in 2005. At this time, the Chiefs are unwilling to pay much more.

Johnson feels like the $1.9 million that he's scheduled to make this season -- a $1.7 million base salary, plus a $200,000-plus escalator he triggered in his contract from past performance -- is not enough of an incentive to come in and play when a severe injury could rob him of millions more. The potential lost wages are enough to keep away Johnson.

Kansas City takes an opposite view. Johnson is scheduled to make more than $111,000 per game, wages he would lose if he has not reported. Plus, the Chiefs could opt to fine Johnson $14,000 each day he is not at training camp while also pursuing a pro-rated portion of his initial signing bonus that could amount to as much as $660,000. The potential lost wages could prove to be enough to bring back Johnson.

Johnson thinks, correctly, that salaries from premium NFL players are skyrocketing. Just last week, Indianapolis showered $30 million in guaranteed money on defensive end Dwight Freeney. This offseason, defensive stalwarts such as linebackers Adalius Thomas and Joey Porter, as well as cornerback Nate Clements, each received at least $20 million in guaranteed money. Even Kansas City tight end Tony Gonzalez commanded an $18 million signing bonus just last year.

The Chiefs know that while the "franchise" number for running backs this season is $7 million, it is projected to drop next season to $6.5 million, a number that indicates that running backs are not valued the way defensive ends and cornerbacks are.

Right now the two sides are somewhere $14 million in guaranteed money apart. Neither is in a compromising mood. Should the staredown continue, speculation about a trade will increase. Green Bay, Tennessee and even the New York Giants each have questions at running back that Johnson would help answer. A trade is a possibility here, an outcome that could appease all sides.

Highest-paid RBs based on guaranteed money
Player Year signed Amount (in millions)
L. Tomlinson, SD '04 $21
C. Portis, WAS '04 $17
F. Gore, SF '07 $14
S. Alexander, SEA '06 $13.5
E. James, ARI '06 $11.5
D. McAllister, NO '05 $11



But right now, each side has its stance, it is a strong one, and neither is willing to budge. But the Chiefs are not scheduled to report to training camp until July 27. The two sides have until then to continue to try working out a deal.

Kansas City already proved this offseason in its dealings with quarterback Trent Green how headstrong it can be. Johnson is said to be equally resolute, an attitude matching his physical gifts.

It sets up a showdown that could be the most compelling one of the summer.

MarionBarberThe4th
07-20-2007, 07:33 AM
We can get a better RB next year, one that wouldnt have 10 thousand miles on him and the biggest contract for a RB ever.

Besides, KC wouldnt do that deal.


And I think JJ is going to have a nice year anyway

Yeagermeister
07-20-2007, 07:36 AM
We'd have to give up more than JJ and a 3rd. It would take one of our first rounders at a minimum.

Hoofbite
07-20-2007, 07:36 AM
We can get a better RB next year, one that wouldnt have 10 thousand miles on him and the biggest contract for a RB ever.

Besides, KC wouldnt do that deal.


And I think JJ is going to have a nice year anyway


Johnson doesn't have 10 thousand miles.....hes only really started for two years. Granted he had a good number of carries in those two years but hes nowere near to having too many miles to make that trade.

MarionBarberThe4th
07-20-2007, 07:44 AM
Hed have a ton of carries, a crazy contract and in his late 20's. Thats not a good formula


And for most of his career, hes had a great line. Julius and MB3 most of the time work with nothing.

Hoofbite
07-20-2007, 07:50 AM
Hed have a ton of carries, a crazy contract and in his late 20's. Thats not a good formula


And for most of his career, hes had a great line. Julius and MB3 most of the time work with nothing.

Oh I agree. Hes a little aged and the contract would be outrageous but for Julius and a 3rd, I may do it.

Personally, I would just rather stay put and maybe upgrade next year. Still an entertaining thought though.

Yeagermeister
07-20-2007, 07:55 AM
Oh I agree. Hes a little aged and the contract would be outrageous but for Julius and a 3rd, I may do it.

Personally, I would just rather stay put and maybe upgrade next year. Still an entertaining thought though.

If all it took was JJ and a 3rd yeah I'd think about it but KC would want more than a 3rd.

Teague31
07-20-2007, 08:02 AM
pass. LJ is too old to give a huge contract to.

dmq
07-20-2007, 08:07 AM
If all it took was JJ and a 3rd yeah I'd think about it but KC would want more than a 3rd.

I'm sure they would want more, but a third and a starter is quite a bit for the right to pay someone as the top running back of the league. I just think of the KC-Giants game where he literally walked all over them.

Yeagermeister
07-20-2007, 08:09 AM
I'm sure they would want more, but a third and a starter is quite a bit for the right to pay someone as the top running back of the league. I just think of the KC-Giants game where he literally walked all over them.

KC would be losing a top rb and gaining one that has had injury problems and has only broken the 1000 yd mark once. JJ is one of my fav players but no way is he a replacement for LJ.

aikemirv
07-20-2007, 08:10 AM
I can definately see Johnson's point here. I don't normally feel this way about players holding out when they have a contract, but when a team overuses a guy, then they should be willing to pay the piper because overuse at the RB position is death to a long career and his money making opportunities.

I can see him sitting out the year. Putting that much mileage on your body for 1.9 million when guys are out there making triple is not a good business decision.

dmq
07-20-2007, 08:16 AM
I think KC would give him a bigger contract, but he wants to be the top paid RB in the league. Sitting out will do him no good though. At least not for the whole season.

Sam I Am
07-20-2007, 08:35 AM
Larry Johnson == bad person == doesn't deserve to wear a Cowboys uni.

CrazyCowboy
07-20-2007, 08:36 AM
lots of bang for the buck with LJ

Sam I Am
07-20-2007, 08:38 AM
lots of bang for the buck with LJ

Yeah, but we don't want the type of locker room bang he will bring. You guys must stop trying to mortgage the entire Cowboys team for a loser.

COWBOYSNUM1
07-20-2007, 09:03 AM
pass. LJ is too old to give a huge contract to.
He is 27 years old. Yes, he had a lot of carries last year, but he has only started 28 games out of the 48 games he has played. I don't see how he is too old or has too many miles on him.

I would trade JJ and our 2nd to get him. Then I would offer him a 4 or 5 yr contract.

I would much rather draft McFadden next year. But since we don't know if we will get a high enough pick, I would go ahead and get Johnson if at all possible. The guy is a beast. In 2005, he rushed for 1750 yds after starting only 9 games. In 2006, he rushed for 1789 yds.

Hostile
07-20-2007, 09:09 AM
When RBs change teams and are no longer familiar with the O-line in front of them, they rarely do as well as they did on thier previous team.

I don't mind free agent backup RBs, but this team has never needed to mortgage so much on a roll of the dice. I wouldn't do it.

Whether McFadden is available with Cleveland's pick or not is irrelevant to me. Last year we were 1 more point from being the 3rd highest scoring team in the NFL with Julius" I am not a robot" Jones and Marion "I know how to find the endzone" Barber.

A high profile RB is not a need at this point, and the price to acquire this one and then pay him what he wants in salary is too high. Way too high.

dbair1967
07-20-2007, 09:22 AM
If all it took was JJ and a 3rd yeah I'd think about it but KC would want more than a 3rd.

I wouldnt...wont surprise me at all if JuJo has a betetr yr than Johnson anyway

and as I have said a million times...I'd rather wait and see what happens this yr and if it doesnt work out with the two guys we have, but in position ot draft a REAL franchise back like McFadden or maybe even the kid from WVU

Johnson isnt as good as either of them

David

dbair1967
07-20-2007, 09:24 AM
He is 27 years old. Yes, he had a lot of carries last year, but he has only started 28 games out of the 48 games he has played. I don't see how he is too old or has too many miles on him.

I would trade JJ and our 2nd to get him. Then I would offer him a 4 or 5 yr contract.

I would much rather draft McFadden next year. But since we don't know if we will get a high enough pick, I would go ahead and get Johnson if at all possible. The guy is a beast. In 2005, he rushed for 1750 yds after starting only 9 games. In 2006, he rushed for 1789 yds.

bet he doesnt top 1200-1300 this yr

remind us again how dominant he was in that playoff game vs Indy

David

Doomsday101
07-20-2007, 09:28 AM
I wouldnt...wont surprise me at all if JuJo has a betetr yr than Johnson anyway

and as I have said a million times...I'd rather wait and see what happens this yr and if it doesnt work out with the two guys we have, but in position ot draft a REAL franchise back like McFadden or maybe even the kid from WVU

Johnson isnt as good as either of them

David

I'm not saying we should get Johnson but JuJo has never put up better numbers than Johnson and with JuJo running style I don't he puts up better numbers this year. As for McFadden and Slaton they have proven nothing in the NFL so to say they are better than a proven vet is a bit of a reach. Not saying they can't become better but right now Johnson has proven himself

dbair1967
07-20-2007, 09:36 AM
I'm not saying we should get Johnson but JuJo has never put up better numbers than Johnson and with JuJo running style I don't he puts up better numbers this year. As for McFadden and Slaton they have proven nothing in the NFL so to say they are better than a proven vet is a bit of a reach. Not saying they can't become better but right now Johnson has proven himself

you realize that had Jones carried the ball 416 times last yr he probably would have topped 1700 yds too right?

Johnson has run behind one fo the leagues best OL's the past few seasons...the offensive system he plays in perfectly fits him, you cant say either of those things about JuJO...but we'll see this yr

and yeah, McFadden and Slaton are more talented than Johnson...doesnt mean they'll definitely turn out better, but both have elite RB skills and tremendous speed...I'd rather have either of them next yr than a 27-28yr old RB with a history of being a malcontent and off field issues

David

Doomsday101
07-20-2007, 09:43 AM
you realize that had Jones carried the ball 416 times last yr he probably would have topped 1700 yds too right?

Johnson has run behind one fo the leagues best OL's the past few seasons...the offensive system he plays in perfectly fits him, you cant say either of those things about JuJO...but we'll see this yr

and yeah, McFadden and Slaton are more talented than Johnson...doesnt mean they'll definitely turn out better, but both have elite RB skills and tremendous speed...I'd rather have either of them next yr than a 27-28yr old RB with a history of being a malcontent and off field issues

David

I realize that and when many around the league said Johnson would not have a great season in 2006 because problems on the offensive line he still put up over 1700 yards. I don't think Jones is half the back Johnson is just my opinion but Jones has not impressed me at all with his inconsistent play, I would just as soon have Barber getting the majority of carries at this point. As for getting Johnson as I said I'm not saying we should go out and get him only that when it comes to who is the better running back Johnson is the 2nd ranked RB in the NFL JuJo isn't even in the same ball park.

burmafrd
07-20-2007, 10:22 AM
416 carries. Bad sign. Pass.

As has been mentioned, the guy is also a problem in the locker room. We already have one high profile head case- we do NOT need another.

zeromaster
07-20-2007, 11:14 AM
Yeah we need a running back with a fat head AND a fat salary.

Pass...

ZeroClub
07-20-2007, 08:15 PM
Hmm, the article mentions the Giants as a possible landing spot. Here's hoping that doesn't happen.

big dog cowboy
07-20-2007, 10:53 PM
Chiefs, Johnson in standoff over new deal
Standoff isn't a strong enough word. Trust me it's going to get brutal before this gets settled. Things are just starting to get ugly up here and the locals are not happy with what they see or hear. I love it!

Laker24diehard
07-23-2007, 02:16 AM
Larry Johnson is defintely worth every dollar he demands! Julius Jones has not proven anything but being a 2 round draft bust! The only excitement Julius has provided was eight games his rookie season. Why is everyone that is in Julius's corner so into him. He has not proven anything but getting his butt whipped well by Marion Barber (14 rushing TDs) beating him to the punch! The III was more valuable of an offensive weapon than Sir Julius. I would defintely try to unload Jones and make the more powerful Larry Johnson a Cowboy, Silver and Blue, who would be Beast of the East.