Vick co-defendant pleads guilty

[Doomsday101]

RICHMOND, Virginia (CNN) -- One of the co-defendants in the Michael Vick federal dogfighting case entered a guilty plea on Monday and pledged to fully cooperate with prosecutors.

Tony Taylor, 34, of Hampton, Virginia, appeared in Richmond's federal court to change his plea under the plea bargain. He will be sentenced December 14.

Taylor, along with Vick and two other co-defendants, had pleaded not guilty Thursday before U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson.

The trial for all four defendants is scheduled for November 26.

Vick, 27, is the quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons.

In addition to Vick and Taylor, the other defendants are Purnell Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, and Quanis Phillips, 28, of Atlanta.

They were charged by a federal grand jury last week with organizing bloody and vicious dog fights on a piece of property that Vick bought in 2001. They also are accused of transporting and delivering dogs across state lines.

The indictment says Taylor discovered the site that became the Bad Newz Kennels -- the staging area for housing and training the pit bulls and hosting dog fights.

Prosecutors also accuse Taylor of helping to buy pit bulldogs and puppies, and of executing at least two dogs "who did not perform well in 'testing' sessions ... by shooting one dog and electrocuting the other."

If the men are convicted on both portions of the conspiracy charge, they each could be sentenced to up to six years in prison and fined $350,000, prosecutors said.

The indictment says dogs that didn't show enough fighting spirit or lost matches also were put to death by drowning and hanging.

Prosecutors allege that on one occasion earlier this year, Vick participated in killing eight dogs.

Vick is one of pro football's highest-profile and highest-paid players, signing a 10-year, $130 million contract with the Falcons in 2004. He was a standout at Virginia Tech and the first player chosen in the 2001 NFL draft. E-mail to a friend

[cobra]

Yep. Just as I predicted from day one. Another big nail in the coffin for Vick.

[Doomsday101]

Yep. Just as I predicted from day one. Another big nail in the coffin for Vick.

I agree this could be a big nail.

[Hostile]

Yep. Just as I predicted from day one. Another big nail in the coffin for Vick.Yeah you did. If anyone is amazed by this you gotta wonder how stale the coffee is by now. They should have woken up a long time ago.

[CrazyCowboy]

Vick could be in for a long year--for sure.

[bobtheflob]

The Smoking Gun has a few more details on what Taylor will testify about.

In the statement of facts, a copy of which you'll find below, Taylor implicates Vick, the Atlanta Falcons's star quarterback, in an array of criminal activity. Taylor contends that Vick provided most of the gambling funds staked by Bad Newz Kennels when its dogs faced off with other pit bulls in fights in Virginia, New Jersey, and North Carolina. When a Bad Newz dog prevailed, Taylor said, the winnings were distributed between him and two other Vick cronies, Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips. By cooperating, Taylor is seeking leniency at his future sentencing, a so-called downward departure from federal sentencing guidelines that calls for a five-year sentence on the conspiracy charge.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0730071vick1.html

[AtlCB]

The Smoking Gun has a few more details on what Taylor will testify about.



http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0730071vick1.html

Vick appears to be in deep crap. I wonder if this guy agreeing to plea caused the feds to amend the indictment against Vick?

[Doomsday101]

Vick appears to be in deep crap. I wonder if this guy agreeing to plea caused the feds to amend the indictment against Vick?

I'm sure that is part of the deal that he testifies against Vick. As much money as Vick has I doubt there is some other king pin of this group. I think Vick is the man at the top

[skinsscalper]

The real nailin the coffin with this guy's testimony is he is one of the defendants who actually is charged with allegedly killing dogs under Vick's orders (the shooting and electrocuting). It's one thing to be a witness and say "I saw Vick order the dogs killed". It's a whole other ball game when the witness, himself, carried out the executions.

SS

:star:

[03EBZ06]

Vick appears to be in deep crap. I wonder if this guy agreeing to plea caused the feds to amend the indictment against Vick?
I don't believe so (I could be wrong though). The Prosecutor stated that he will be amending the indictment at the last Monday's hearing and the story broke on Thurday that Taylor will be pleading guilty on today. It seems like prosecutors had additional evidence after the filing of indictment to support amend the indictment to most likely add additional charges, but again, just speculation on my part.

[03EBZ06]

Instant analysis: What plea deal means for Vick (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-2-149/Instant-analysis--What-plea-deal-means-for-Vick.html) http://assets.espn.go.com/profile/i/trans/icon_report_hi.gif (http://myespn.go.com/profile/violation?ou=hashmarksadmin&at=7&vid=1185806747752)

July 30, 2007 10:45 AM

Posted by Mike Sando

I've been in touch with two of our legal analysts this morning regarding news (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0730071vick1.html)that Tony Taylor, codefendant in the Michael Vick case, has pleaded guilty and agreed to testify against Vick. Neal Walters (http://scottkroner.com/Neal.htm) and Timothy Heaphy (http://www.mcguirewoods.com/lawyers/index/Timothy_J_Heaphy.asp) are Virginia-based attorneys with expertise at the federal level. Heaphy is a former federal prosecutor. Here is what they said when asked whether Taylor's plea deal is indeed a blow to the Vick defense team:

Walters: "You can say that again. Under the federal sentencing regime generally speaking the only way a defendant can reduce the sentence he would otherwise get is to cooperate with the government and provide 'substantial assistance.' I suspect that the co-defendant sensed that because of the high profile of this case and the amount of negative commentary the charges are bringing that the government was going to be pretty firm about this one and he wanted to get out of the way fast."

Heaphy: "If Taylor is cooperating (as the story suggests), it is a blow to Vick's defense. The indictment details numerous occasions on which Taylor and Vick took action together, sponsoring dogs in fights. If Taylor is pleading guilty with a cooperation obligation, the government must have concluded that he has provided information consistent with the indictment and will be a reliable witness against his former co-defendants at trial. Previously, the witnesses against Vick looked to be people from outside of the charged conspiracy who sponsored dogs in fights against the Vick dogs. Taylor would be the first 'insider' to provide evidence against Vick. That is an important step forward for investigators, as it corroborates the information they had received previous
Vick and Taylor reportedly had a falling out three years ago.

Heaphy: "If Taylor had a falling out with Vick, that mitigates the damage somewhat. Vick's defense team will argue that Taylor is biased against Vick. They'll suggest he has two motives to fabricate the information he provided - his animosity toward Vick, and the fact that he's facing serious charges and wants to please the prosecutors by giving him what they want. The government will counter by arguing that Taylor's information is consistent with that provided by their numerous other witnesses, and his credibility is enhanced by the fact that he is pleading guilty and exposing himself to jail time."

[Doomsday101]

At the start of the indictments it was said Vick may be able to beat this if all 3 stood together but if one were to testify against the others it would be difficult for the defense. Well one rat broke from the pack.

[speedkilz88]

Is one of these other defendants the relative Vick claimed he purchased the home for and which is it if so?

[03EBZ06]

Is one of these other defendants the relative Vick claimed he purchased the home for and which is it if so?
If you are thinking about Devon Boddie, Vick's cousin, then no, he isn't one of the denfendents listed on indictment.

[hank2k]

If you are thinking about Devon Boddie, Vick's cousin, then no, he isn't one of the denfendents listed on indictment.


Yeah, the one guy who actually was living at the house where all this started , wasnt charged.
He's the guy who initially confessed that all the stuff going on there was his doing , not Vicks.

He was the guy busted for pot who led cops to search the home.

He also looks a helluva lot like Vick.

Not too hard to see where the Vick defense team might be going with this....

[dargonking999]

So here's my question

why is no one asking for this guy's head?

He has admitted to killing dogs, but i don't see anyone attacking him

Not trying to stand up for Vick here, just wondering why no one cares about this guy killing dogs

[Doomsday101]

So here's my question

why is no one asking for this guy's head?

He has admitted to killing dogs, but i don't see anyone attacking him

Not trying to stand up for Vick here, just wondering why no one cares about this guy killing dogs

I think all 3 of these guys are scum but I can promise this guy was not the one financing these activities.

[dargonking999]

I think all 3 of these guys are scum but I can promise this guy was not the one financing these activities.


And?

He killed the dogs

Isn't that what the problem is?

He's training, fighting, and then killing the dogs

That's like saying, i think the hired killers are scum, but who I really want to see pay, is the ones who hired him.

Makes zero sense.

[Doomsday101]

And?

He killed the dogs

Isn't that what the problem is?

He's training, fighting, and then killing the dogs

That's like saying, i think the hired killers are scum, but who I really want to see pay, is the ones who hired him.

Makes zero sense.

What makes sense is taking down the top guy who is running the show. Which is why the feds are willing to work a deal for him. Do I think this guy is some nice guy? no not at all.

Your last example have you heard of John Gotti? Feds were willing to work a deal with a killer to take down the head of a crime family.

[dargonking999]

What makes sense is taking down the top guy who is running the show. Which is why the feds are willing to work a deal for him. Do I think this guy is some nice guy? no not at all.

Your last example have you heard of John Gotti? Feds were willing to work a deal with a killer to take down the head of a crime family.

No i understand what the Feds are doing, and i have no problem with that.

I'm talking about the court of public opinion. The fact that Vick was linked to dog fighting sent them intoa chaotic rage. But you have someone coming out saying, yea i trained fought and killed dogs. and all they do is say im glad he's coming out so we can nail vick.

Where's the outrage for him. There isn't a single piece of evidence saying Vick killed any dogs, but he's getting more flak then the guy who has admitted to killing dogs?

[silverbear]

If you are thinking about Devon Boddie, Vick's cousin, then no, he isn't one of the denfendents listed on indictment.

Suggesting the Feds may well have him lined up to testify against Vick as well... remember, indictments rarely show the state's entire case...

[silverbear]

And?

He killed the dogs

Isn't that what the problem is?

He's training, fighting, and then killing the dogs

And he'll be going to jail for it... he'll just be going to jail for a somewhat shorter time than he would have if he hadn't agreed to testify for the Feds...

Consider also that without Vick's money financing this whole thing, there is no Bad Newz Kennels, thys no dogs being killed by Tony Taylor...

[silverbear]

No i understand what the Feds are doing, and i have no problem with that.

I'm talking about the court of public opinion. The fact that Vick was linked to dog fighting sent them intoa chaotic rage. But you have someone coming out saying, yea i trained fought and killed dogs. and all they do is say im glad he's coming out so we can nail vick.

Where's the outrage for him. There isn't a single piece of evidence saying Vick killed any dogs, but he's getting more flak then the guy who has admitted to killing dogs?

I have plenty of outrage for him, but it will be lessened a little if he proves to be the final nail in Vick's coffin...

Others in here aren't as outraged by his offenses because he's not an NFL player... this is after all a FOOTBALL board, so naturally our focus would be on the NFL player...

[03EBZ06]

Suggesting the Feds may well have him lined up to testify against Vick as well... remember, indictments rarely show the state's entire case...
Yup, agreed. I strongly believe FEDs have lot more evidence to support CWs' testimony.


I'm talking about the court of public opinion.
I'm outraged at Taylor, he is a scum and deserves whatever he gets in Dec.

[joseephuss]

No i understand what the Feds are doing, and i have no problem with that.

I'm talking about the court of public opinion. The fact that Vick was linked to dog fighting sent them intoa chaotic rage. But you have someone coming out saying, yea i trained fought and killed dogs. and all they do is say im glad he's coming out so we can nail vick.

Where's the outrage for him. There isn't a single piece of evidence saying Vick killed any dogs, but he's getting more flak then the guy who has admitted to killing dogs?

Mostly because this is a football message board. That is why it mostly revolves around Vick in this case. Then in the general public it becomes name recognition. Everyone knows Michael Vick and can put a face to the name. People will start recognizing Taylor's name, but most won't know what he looks like. That doesn't mean they don't despise what he has done or what he stands for. Plus this just happened. Give it time and more and more people will show their outrage at Taylor. It still won't approach the outrage toward Vick because he is the guy in charge. Taylor is just his representative. Based on what they are accused of I see all four guys as scum. Once the trial is completed maybe what is proven goes with the charges.

[jackrussell]

No i understand what the Feds are doing, and i have no problem with that.

I'm talking about the court of public opinion. The fact that Vick was linked to dog fighting sent them intoa chaotic rage. But you have someone coming out saying, yea i trained fought and killed dogs. and all they do is say im glad he's coming out so we can nail vick.

Where's the outrage for him. There isn't a single piece of evidence saying Vick killed any dogs, but he's getting more flak then the guy who has admitted to killing dogs?

How'd this guy get a DVS membership anyhow?

[Doomsday101]

No i understand what the Feds are doing, and i have no problem with that.

I'm talking about the court of public opinion. The fact that Vick was linked to dog fighting sent them intoa chaotic rage. But you have someone coming out saying, yea i trained fought and killed dogs. and all they do is say im glad he's coming out so we can nail vick.

Where's the outrage for him. There isn't a single piece of evidence saying Vick killed any dogs, but he's getting more flak then the guy who has admitted to killing dogs?

As I said all of these guys are scum and 1 is a public figure which is why he will catch more heat. Just the fact of life, you put yourself in the lime light you better watch yourself

[AtlCB]

No i understand what the Feds are doing, and i have no problem with that.

I'm talking about the court of public opinion. The fact that Vick was linked to dog fighting sent them intoa chaotic rage. But you have someone coming out saying, yea i trained fought and killed dogs. and all they do is say im glad he's coming out so we can nail vick.

Where's the outrage for him. There isn't a single piece of evidence saying Vick killed any dogs, but he's getting more flak then the guy who has admitted to killing dogs?Didn't Vick's indictment state that he was involved in assisting the killing of up to eight dogs in one night?

[03EBZ06]

There isn't a single piece of evidence saying Vick killed any dogs, but he's getting more flak then the guy who has admitted to killing dogs?
IF Vick directed or agreed to kill those dogs, doesn't that make him just as culpable as those who actually did the killing?

Or do you think other three defendents killed at their own discretion.

[Doomsday101]

RICHMOND, Virginia (CNN) -- One of the co-defendants in the Michael Vick federal dogfighting case pleaded guilty on Monday and pledged to fully cooperate with prosecutors

Tony Taylor, 34, of Hampton, Virginia, entered the guilty plea in U.S. District Court in Richmond. He will be sentenced December 14.

Taylor, along with Vick and two other co-defendants, had pleaded not guilty Thursday before U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson.

In changing his plea to guilty, Taylor waived his right to appeal. He told the judge that he understands he is now a convicted felon.

Taylor said he was not promised any specific sentence in return for his cooperation.

"You're pleading guilty and taking your chances, right?" Hudson asked. Taylor responded, "Yes."

Hudson then asked, "You have agreed to cooperate fully with the United States, is that right?" Taylor again said yes.

It is widely believed that Taylor's plea, which had been expected, and his future cooperation could hurt Vick and help the government prove its case against the Atlanta Falcons' star quarterback.

In his first public comment since the indictment, Vick called his legal predicament "a crazy situation" and said he hopes to return soon to the the gridiron, wearing a Falcons jersey.

But he acknowledged in a phone interview Monday with Atlanta radio station V-103, "There are a lot of things that needed to be worked out."

"I've been (in Atlanta) for the last seven years of my life. I would love to come back," Vick told radio personality Porsche Foxx. "But it remains to be seen."

The president of the Atlanta chapter of the NAACP criticized the prosecution of Vick at a news conference Monday morning. Dr. R.L. White, Jr., accused the government of "piling on."

"There's a penalty in football for piling on," White told reporters. "After a player has been tackled and somebody piles on, they're penalized for unnecessary roughness. Today, the NAACP blows the whistle and warns the powers that be that you are piling on." Watch White caution the public to keep an open mind »

Along with Vick, Purnell Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, and Quanis Phillips, 28, of Atlanta, Georgia, are scheduled to stand trial on November 26.

They were charged by a federal grand jury last week with organizing bloody and vicious dogfights on a piece of property that Vick bought in 2001. They also are accused of transporting and delivering dogs across state lines.

The indictment says Taylor discovered the site that became the Bad Newz Kennels -- the staging area for housing and training the pit bulls and hosting dog fights.

Prosecutors also accuse Taylor of helping to buy pit bulldogs and puppies, and of executing at least two dogs "who did not perform well in 'testing' sessions ... by shooting one dog and electrocuting the other."

If the men are convicted on both portions of the conspiracy charge, they each could be sentenced to up to six years in prison and fined $350,000, prosecutors said.

The indictment says dogs that didn't show enough fighting spirit or lost matches also were put to death by drowning and hanging.

Prosecutors allege that on one occasion earlier this year, Vick participated in killing eight dogs.

Vick is one of pro football's highest-profile and highest-paid players, signing a 10-year, $130 million contract with the Falcons in 2004. He was a standout at Virginia Tech and the first player chosen in the 2001 NFL draft. E-mail to a friend

[REDVOLUTION]

Lots of good reads and insights guys.... but... until he is found guilty and convicted... he can still get off. Guilty or not.

I am not sold that his conviction is a lock.

It is very sad to read that dogs are executed in the many ways described. Its disgusting.

[superpunk]

So here's my question

why is no one asking for this guy's head?

He has admitted to killing dogs, but i don't see anyone attacking him

Not trying to stand up for Vick here, just wondering why no one cares about this guy killing dogs

The trouble is, without pics - we have no idea whether this guy has corn rows, or gold teeth, dreadlocks or a nice shiny grill.

Consequently, we don't have any way of knowing how much of a "thug" this guy really is.

And as we all know, being a thug is bad news - IMO worse than a stoolie who trained and killed dogs.

[5Stars]

Lots of good reads and insights guys.... but... until he is found guilty and convicted... he can still get off. Guilty or not.

I am not sold that his conviction is a lock.

It is very sad to read that dogs are executed in the many ways described. Its disgusting.


My money is on that he will get off...somehow! Maybe a fine and suspended sentence at most.

:cool:

[dargonking999]

All im saying is that

I want all of who particpated in these hanius acts to go to prison for life. I don't want any of them getting any lesser time, i don't care if they starting singing about where Osama is. I don't think its fair to say well since he ca give us more evidence on Vick we'll let him get out of jail earlier. NO! they all need to go to prison and rot there. If they had enough evidence to indict Vick, then they shldn't need his crappy tesitmony

[Doomsday101]

All im saying is that

I want all of who particpated in these hanius acts to go to prison for life. I don't want any of them getting any lesser time, i don't care if they starting singing about where Osama is. I don't think its fair to say well since he ca give us more evidence on Vick we'll let him get out of jail earlier. NO! they all need to go to prison and rot there. If they had enough evidence to indict Vick, then they shldn't need his crappy tesitmony

That is not how the world turns. Deals are cut to get the people at the top. Same with Enron, lower end people were offered deals to help take down the people at the top.

[5Stars]

All im saying is that

I want all of who particpated in these hanius acts to go to prison for life. I don't want any of them getting any lesser time, i don't care if they starting singing about where Osama is. I don't think its fair to say well since he ca give us more evidence on Vick we'll let him get out of jail earlier. NO! they all need to go to prison and rot there. If they had enough evidence to indict Vick, then they shldn't need his crappy tesitmony


If Vick is the kingpin with all the money this guy might not have ever fought dogs, huh? Just saying...

Hmmm, I wonder of Osama ever trained fighting dogs?
(nevermind, stupid question)...

Carry on..

[dargonking999]

That is not how the world turns. Deals are cut to get the people at the top. Same with Enron, lower end people were offered deals to help take down the people at the top.


So?

Doesn't mean i can't want it ;)

[Big Dakota]

Co-defendant says he wasn't offered sentence deal to cooperate

Associated Press






Updated: July 30, 2007, 6:44 PM ET



RICHMOND, Va. -- One of Michael Vick (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5448)'s co-defendants pleaded guilty Monday to his role in a dogfighting conspiracy he says was financed almost entirely by the Atlanta Falcons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=atl) quarterback.

Vick Breaks Silence

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In his first public comments since his indictment on federal dogfighting charges, Falcons quarterback Michael Vick told Porsche Foxx on Atlanta radio station WVEE-FM that he knows he has put Atlanta and and Falcons owner "through a lot" but that he's "gonna get through it."
"I know I've put the city through a lot. My owner, Arthur Blank, who I love sincerely, I've put him through a lot. And you know it's hurt me to put him through these situations to have to deal with that because he shouldn't have to," Vick said.
Vick thanked those who have continued supporting him and added, "It's a crisis situation for me, but I'm gonna get through it." Vick said he'd like to return to the Falcons once his legal problems are over, but "there are a lot of things that needed to be worked out."



As part of a plea agreement, Tony Taylor pledged to fully cooperate with the government in its prosecution of Vick and two other men accused of running an interstate dogfighting enterprise known as "Bad Newz Kennels" on Vick's property in rural Surry County.
"The 'Bad Newz Kennels' operation and gambling monies were almost exclusively funded by Vick," a summary of facts supporting the plea agreement and signed by Taylor states.
The plea deal requires Taylor to testify against Vick and his two remaining co-defendants if called upon to do so. Taylor cannot get a stiffer sentence or face any new charges based on any new information he provides, according to terms of the agreement.
Additional charges are possible, however, against Vick and the other two. Federal prosecutors have said a superseding indictment will be issued in August.
Vick's lead attorney, Billy Martin, did not immediately return a phone message.
Taylor, 34, of Hampton, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities, and conspiring to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture.
Vick pleaded not guilty to the same charges last week and said in a written statement that he looked forward to "clearing my good name." He also pleaded with the public to resist a rush to judgment.
The gruesome details outlined in the July 17 indictment have fueled public protests against Vick and prompted the suspension of some of his lucrative endorsement deals. Also, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has barred Vick from the Falcons' training camp.
The summary of facts signed by Taylor supports the indictment's claims that the dogfighting ring executed underperforming dogs by drowning, hanging and other brutal means. Taylor admitted shooting one dog and electrocuting another when they did not perform well in test fights in the summer of 2002.
Vick, 27, attended several dogfights in Virginia and other states with his partners, according to the statement. Prosecutors claim the fights offered purses as high as $26,000.
Taylor, who will be sentenced Dec. 14, said he was not promised any specific sentence in return for his cooperation with the government.
He faces a maximum of five years in prison and a $250,000, although federal sentencing guidelines likely will call for less. The range will be determined by the court's probation office, but the judge can depart from that range if he finds aggravating or mitigating circumstances.
Taylor and his attorney, Stephen A. Hudgins of Newport News, declined to answer reporters' questions as they left the federal courthouse. Prosecutors also would not comment.
During the hearing, Taylor spoke only in response to routine yes-or-no questions from U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson. He answered "Yes" when the judge asked if he had agreed to cooperate with the government.
Taylor acknowledged in the summary of facts that he found the property that Vick purchased in 2001 for $30,000 for development into a dogfighting compound. Taylor says he maintained and trained the dogs for about three years, using his share of winnings -- which were split among the partners -- for living expenses.
He left the operation after a falling out with co-defendant Quanis L. Phillips and others in September 2004, according to the statement of facts.
Vick and Purnell A. Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, and Phillips, 28, of Atlanta, are scheduled for trial Nov. 26. They remain free without bond.
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

[03EBZ06]

Vick's lawyers are going to be all over Taylor to discredit him so he better be ready for it.

[Big Dakota]

Starting to look like Linda Kasabian vs the Manson family. This Vick cat is in REAL deep. Best bet is cop to about 2 years and hope you sit 2 months and a year out of the NFL. Who they gonna believe, a witness and the US Government or 3 hood rats?

[Sarge]

Starting to look like Linda Kasabian vs the Manson family. This Vick cat is in REAL deep. Best bet is cop to about 2 years and hope you sit 2 months and a year out of the NFL. Who they gonna believe, a witness and the US Government or 3 hood rats?

He's not gonna cop to nothin'. He's (it appears anyway) SCREWED. 2 years won't even be on the table.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Yep. Just as I predicted from day one. Another big nail in the coffin for Vick.

Probably because that stoolie will say whatever the prosecutors want to hear in order to get a lesser sentence. Nothing worse than a stoolie.

[LaTunaNostra]

Nothing worse than a stoolie.

Yes, there is.

There's a LYING stoolie.

So far, I have heard no claim that Vick himself executed by hanging, electocuting, drowning, and smashing aganist walls the 17 dead dogs on his
property. That lying stoolie is probably one of the ones who did it.

Vick probably KNEW about it, (and of course, about the illegal entrprise) which is enough for me to want to see him put away. But as usual, when the feds go after the 'big fish' who is less culpable, but makes for a sexier case, the trigger men walk, or get pled way down.

[peplaw06]

First thought... Vick is getting more heat because he is a celebrity. More visible, more people know of him, and more people feel "affected" by him.

Second thought... Lack of heat on this guy who pled, doesn't necessarily mean hypocrisy. It's just that people know Vick. If Vick were to cop a plea, own up to it, and testify, then the heat would likely turn down a smidge.

Third thought... the feds go after the guy at the top because if they don't get the source of funds, the source of funds can go get any number of braindead henchmen to oversee the day-to-day operations. He's the one with the money, and there's never a shortage of guys who will break the law if you pay them enough.

No doubt this hurts Vick's case... it's not the death knell, because his attorneys will question his credibility. Depending on his background, it could be an afterthought, especially if the other things we read of in the indictment are proven by credible witnesses.

[Doomsday101]

So?

Doesn't mean i can't want it ;)

Let me just say I don't expect a pair of Nike Air Tony Taylor coming out anytime soon. Vick has made a lot off his name but the downside to fame is when you screw up yes people are going to get PO'ed and people are going to comment more about him than the avg Joe. Ask Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan they did nothing more than what many have done but with lime light you take the good and the bad.

[REDVOLUTION]

He's not gonna cop to nothin'. He's (it appears anyway) SCREWED. 2 years won't even be on the table.


Sarge... you underestimate the power of the dark side.

[Garland powerplay]

It may be wrong but I think there is no parole in Federal prison. You serve the sentence full.

[Bob Sacamano]

It may be wrong but I think there is no parole in Federal prison. You serve the sentence full.

it's called "paid in full"

[03EBZ06]

Wow, somebody didn't waste anytime.

http://www.michaelconvick.com/

[JackMagist]

And?

He killed the dogs

Isn't that what the problem is?

He's training, fighting, and then killing the dogs

That's like saying, i think the hired killers are scum, but who I really want to see pay, is the ones who hired him.

Makes zero sense.
I'm a little late into this thread and it may have already been discussed but I would just like to point out that there have been more than one hired killer walk by rolling over on the guy who hired them.

Does the name Sammy "the Bull" Gravano ring a bell?

The feds always go after the top dog (no pun intended) in these cases. And yes they will let a punk who is guilty as sin walk if it gets them convictions higher up the chain.

As for calling for this guys head...It's already in the noose. He pleaded guilty and he will do hard jail time; just not as much as he would have done without rolling over on Vick.

[Twyst]

http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=260602



lol

[Big Dakota]

http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=260602



lol

Hey, i know this Cowboys fan ;)


Dr. Ben Sobel (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000345/): [Ben Sobel asks Paul to describe a picture of a father walking in saying good night to his wife and son lying in bed] OK, Paul. I want you to take a look at this picture and tell me what is happening.
Paul Vitti (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000134/): This is a picture of a guy who is a nice hard-working fellow and comes home to find his wife is in bed with a midget who she has been ****ing while he has been out of town.
Dr. Ben Sobel (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000345/): So she has been having intercourse?
Paul Vitti (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000134/): Yep. With a midget!