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trickblue

08-01-2007, 10:30 AM

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Daniel Snyder Does Not Like Vanilla Ice Cream, So Says Mike Nolan (http://larrybrownsports.com/2007/08/01/daniel-snyder-does-not-like-vanilla-ice-cream-so-says-mike-nolan/)
By Larry Brown | August 1, 2007

Posted in Category: Pro Pigskin (http://larrybrownsports.com/category/football/)

I had been meaning to write this story for quite some time, but it wasn’t until this morning when I linked to a post about Daniel Snyder (http://larrybrownsports.com/2007/08/01/morning-paper-strippers-running-loose-on-golf-courses/) that I was reminded to share it. I’m finishing up John Feinstein’s book, Next Man Up, which is a behind the scenes account of the 2004 Baltimore Ravens. That season, Mike Nolan was the defensive coordinator with Baltimore, his last year with the team prior to accepting a head coaching position with the 49ers. Well, Nolan shared a story from his days with the Redskins. Apparently he and owner Daniel Snyder did not get along.Early that season, after a Redskins loss, Snyder told Nolan that his defensive calls were “too vanilla.” Like the other coaches, Nolan had figured out by then that trying to explain football to Snyder was pointless, since he already had the game figured out. A few days later a gallon of 31 Flavors ice cream showed up on Nolan’s desk with a note that said, “This is what I like. Not vanilla.”

Nolan laughed and sent Snyder a note: “Thanks for the ice cream. My kids enjoyed it.”

“The first time it was actually kind of funny,” Nolan said. “I didn’t mind it at all.”

The next time wasn’t as funny.

The Redskins lost on the road to Dallas, and Nolan went into his office late Sunday night to start looking at game tape. When he arrived, there were three giant canisters of melting 31 Flavors ice cream on his desk with another note: “I wasn’t joking. I do not like vanilla.”
Feinstein had the story confirmed by other sources around the league. How great is that one? Leave it to Snyder to take a fun figure of speech and turn it into literal meaning. If anyone wants to find out why the Redskins suck so much, you don’t have to look any further than the top. Now, whenever the Niners and Redskins meet, you know whose side to wager on.

riggo

08-01-2007, 10:34 AM

nolan was the worst D coordinator the skins had over at least the last 25 years. and that includes ron lynn.

superpunk

08-01-2007, 10:36 AM

That is solid gold. SOLID gold.

Great find, TB. I'll be expecting leotis to weigh in on this.

AbeBeta

08-01-2007, 10:42 AM

Yes, and an older wiser owner just yells at his DC during drills.

DallasEast

08-01-2007, 10:43 AM

Link (http://larrybrownsports.com/2007/08/01/daniel-snyder-does-not-like-vanilla-ice-cream-so-says-mike-nolan/#more-792)

Daniel Snyder Does Not Like Vanilla Ice Cream, So Says Mike Nolan (http://larrybrownsports.com/2007/08/01/daniel-snyder-does-not-like-vanilla-ice-cream-so-says-mike-nolan/)

By Larry Brown | August 1, 2007

Posted in Category: Pro Pigskin (http://larrybrownsports.com/category/football/)

I had been meaning to write this story for quite some time, but it wasn’t until this morning when I linked to a post about Daniel Snyder (http://larrybrownsports.com/2007/08/01/morning-paper-strippers-running-loose-on-golf-courses/) that I was reminded to share it. I’m finishing up John Feinstein’s book, Next Man Up, which is a behind the scenes account of the 2004 Baltimore Ravens. That season, Mike Nolan was the defensive coordinator with Baltimore, his last year with the team prior to accepting a head coaching position with the 49ers. Well, Nolan shared a story from his days with the Redskins. Apparently he and owner Daniel Snyder did not get along.Early that season, after a Redskins loss, Snyder told Nolan that his defensive calls were “too vanilla.” Like the other coaches, Nolan had figured out by then that trying to explain football to Snyder was pointless, since he already had the game figured out. A few days later a gallon of 31 Flavors ice cream showed up on Nolan’s desk with a note that said, “This is what I like. Not vanilla.”

Nolan laughed and sent Snyder a note: “Thanks for the ice cream. My kids enjoyed it.”

“The first time it was actually kind of funny,” Nolan said. “I didn’t mind it at all.”

The next time wasn’t as funny.

The Redskins lost on the road to Dallas, and Nolan went into his office late Sunday night to start looking at game tape. When he arrived, there were three giant canisters of melting 31 Flavors ice cream on his desk with another note: “I wasn’t joking. I do not like vanilla.”
Feinstein had the story confirmed by other sources around the league. How great is that one? Leave it to Snyder to take a fun figure of speech and turn it into literal meaning. If anyone wants to find out why the Redskins suck so much, you don’t have to look any further than the top. Now, whenever the Niners and Redskins meet, you know whose side to wager on.
The next time a Cowboy fan thinks that it's pathetic for Jerry Jones to be standing around on the sidelines during games, they should re-read this story to gain a better perspective of the word...

Cajuncowboy

08-01-2007, 10:45 AM

nolan was the worst D coordinator the skins had over at least the last 25 years. and that includes ron lynn.

Yeah, he was so bad that he is now a head coach in the NFL and building a team much better than the Skins.

Yep, he ruined his career.

riggo

08-01-2007, 10:46 AM

The next time a Cowboy fan thinks that it's pathetic for Jerry Jones to be standing around on the sidelines during games, they should re-read this story to gain a better perspective of the word...

i wouldnt blame jones if he something like this. nolan sucked. if he didnt suck, snyder wouldnt have sent him vanilla ice cream. somehow nolan forgets that fact.

riggo

08-01-2007, 10:47 AM

Yeah, he was so bad that he is now a head coach in the NFL and building a team much better than the Skins.

Yep, he ruined his career.

you mean he did a good job with the skins?

btw- norv turner keeps getting chances too. doesnt mean he was a good HC.

theogt

08-01-2007, 10:49 AM

you mean he did a good job with the skins?

btw- norv turner keeps getting chances too. doesnt mean he was a good HC.No, he was/is a great coordinator, which is why he keeps getting chances.

Jarv

08-01-2007, 10:49 AM

i wouldnt blame jones if he something like this. nolan sucked. if he didnt suck, snyder wouldnt have sent him vanilla ice cream. somehow nolan forgets that fact.

My guess if that you polled 32 GM's throughout the leauge and asked them who knew more about defense, Nolan or Snyder....

Chocolate Lab

08-01-2007, 10:51 AM

My guess if that you polled 32 GM's throughout the leauge and asked them who knew more about defense, Nolan or Snyder....

It would be 31-1. ;)

DallasEast

08-01-2007, 10:53 AM

i wouldnt blame jones if he something like this.Jones may be many things, but he is always man enough to tell you what he thinks to your face. Ice cream dialogue is Snyder's thang.

nolan sucked.So you say.

if he didnt suck, snyder wouldnt have sent him vanilla ice cream. somehow nolan forgets that fact.If Snyder doesn't understand the complexities of football, how would he know that "Nolan sucked?" :confused:

Cajuncowboy

08-01-2007, 10:53 AM

you mean he did a good job with the skins?

btw- norv turner keeps getting chances too. doesnt mean he was a good HC.

Well, what is the one constant in your scenarios?

Dan Snyder.

Not to be confrontational (I guess I was before but) I have a friend who is a typical Skins fan. He is a die hard, homer, they can do nothing wrong Skins fan. I have told him for years that as long as Snyder owns the team they will never win a Super Bowl. He argued with me and I told him he would have to wait and see.

I talked to him last week and he finally admitted that I may be right. (Something I knew all along).

The problem is that the Skins go after big name players past their prime and give them too much money for the antisipated production. Then when the team falls short, they blame the coaches. Even Gibbs is getting heat for not being able to get the job done. And The one constant in the whole mess is Danny.

Like I said, The Skins will never win a championship while Snyder owns them.

Here's to a long life of Skins ownership for Danny. :toast2:

Cowboy4ever

08-01-2007, 10:54 AM

i wouldnt blame jones if he something like this. nolan sucked. if he didnt suck, snyder wouldnt have sent him vanilla ice cream. somehow nolan forgets that fact.

Maybe the players on the skins just sucked and Nolan had no other choice... seems to have done alright everywhere else.

Jarv

08-01-2007, 11:04 AM

Nolan's players were too slow from eating too much ice cream :)

Rampage

08-01-2007, 11:13 AM

that's a pretty funny story. i think danny boy over did it the second time though

riggo

08-01-2007, 11:18 AM

Maybe the players on the skins just sucked and Nolan had no other choice... seems to have done alright everywhere else.

the skins added deion (he was not great, but not bad that year) bruce smith (same) and a forgettable mark carrier. ray rhodes took them from 29th in the league out of 31 teams to 4th.

like i said, nolan was not good in DC.

Yeagermeister

08-01-2007, 11:22 AM

I'm surprised Synder didn't try to buy the ice cream store first. :D

Hostile

08-01-2007, 12:47 PM

Link (http://larrybrownsports.com/2007/08/01/daniel-snyder-does-not-like-vanilla-ice-cream-so-says-mike-nolan/#more-792)

Daniel Snyder Does Not Like Vanilla Ice Cream, So Says Mike Nolan (http://larrybrownsports.com/2007/08/01/daniel-snyder-does-not-like-vanilla-ice-cream-so-says-mike-nolan/)

By Larry Brown | August 1, 2007

Posted in Category: Pro Pigskin (http://larrybrownsports.com/category/football/)

I had been meaning to write this story for quite some time, but it wasn’t until this morning when I linked to a post about Daniel Snyder (http://larrybrownsports.com/2007/08/01/morning-paper-strippers-running-loose-on-golf-courses/) that I was reminded to share it. I’m finishing up John Feinstein’s book, Next Man Up, which is a behind the scenes account of the 2004 Baltimore Ravens. That season, Mike Nolan was the defensive coordinator with Baltimore, his last year with the team prior to accepting a head coaching position with the 49ers. Well, Nolan shared a story from his days with the Redskins. Apparently he and owner Daniel Snyder did not get along.Early that season, after a Redskins loss, Snyder told Nolan that his defensive calls were “too vanilla.” Like the other coaches, Nolan had figured out by then that trying to explain football to Snyder was pointless, since he already had the game figured out. A few days later a gallon of 31 Flavors ice cream showed up on Nolan’s desk with a note that said, “This is what I like. Not vanilla.”

Nolan laughed and sent Snyder a note: “Thanks for the ice cream. My kids enjoyed it.”

“The first time it was actually kind of funny,” Nolan said. “I didn’t mind it at all.”

The next time wasn’t as funny.

The Redskins lost on the road to Dallas, and Nolan went into his office late Sunday night to start looking at game tape. When he arrived, there were three giant canisters of melting 31 Flavors ice cream on his desk with another note: “I wasn’t joking. I do not like vanilla.”
Feinstein had the story confirmed by other sources around the league. How great is that one? Leave it to Snyder to take a fun figure of speech and turn it into literal meaning. If anyone wants to find out why the Redskins suck so much, you don’t have to look any further than the top. Now, whenever the Niners and Redskins meet, you know whose side to wager on.
This is greatness. Flat out one of the best things ever posted on this forum. Suddenly I am a much bigger Mike Nolan fan.

Hostile

08-01-2007, 12:48 PM

That is solid gold. SOLID gold.

Great find, TB. I'll be expecting leotis to weigh in on this.We need to bookmark it in case Leotis doesn't see it.

Only his commentary could improve on this.

jterrell

08-01-2007, 12:57 PM

the skins added deion (he was not great, but not bad that year) bruce smith (same) and a forgettable mark carrier. ray rhodes took them from 29th in the league out of 31 teams to 4th.

like i said, nolan was not good in DC.

What did the Skins defense finish last season rated?

Can Gregg Williams not coach defense?

Nolan is a 3-4 guy and the Skins have not has any 3-4 talent.

If Snyder would hire a real football man to run the draft and then stop giving away draft picks the defense might actually be good one day.

Nolan should have sent Snyder back a note saying, "Thanks, I thought you only gave away draft picks"

Jerry Jones is a mess at times, Dan Snyder is a complete tool, true story.

trickblue

08-01-2007, 01:04 PM

Nolan should have sent Snyder back a note saying, "Thanks, I thought you only gave away draft picks"

:muttley:

JPM

08-01-2007, 01:10 PM

Yeah, but does Snyder like Vanilla Ice
http://image.listen.com/img/356x237/4/0/2/9/509204_356x237.jpg

Word you your mother !

BrAinPaiNt

08-01-2007, 01:14 PM

Hostile

08-01-2007, 01:27 PM

1fisher

08-01-2007, 02:23 PM

What did the Skins defense finish last season rated?

Can Gregg Williams not coach defense?

Nolan is a 3-4 guy and the Skins have not has any 3-4 talent.

If Snyder would hire a real football man to run the draft and then stop giving away draft picks the defense might actually be good one day.

Nolan should have sent Snyder back a note saying, "Thanks, I thought you only gave away draft picks"

Jerry Jones is a mess at times, Dan Snyder is a complete tool, true story.

:muttley:

Danny White

08-01-2007, 02:27 PM

Don't forget this story, about Snyder pulling a similar stunt/threat on Laverneus Coles to get him to accept a trade:

[Coles] described every week of last season as a "miserable" experience and added that the most important lesson he learned while in Washington was "trust nobody."

If you want to know how badly Coles and the Redskins needed a divorce, consider this: Redskins owner Daniel Snyder threatened Coles when the receiver's refusal to accept the trade without a contract extension thwarted the deal last month. "He said that if I stayed in Washington, he would turn me into another Terry Glenn," Coles said. (Glenn, now with the Cowboys, missed most of the 2001 season with New England as his public feud with head coach Bill Belichick resulted in various fines, suspensions and ultimately Glenn's benching). "He said he would send a flat-screen television to my home because I'd be better off watching the games there. That was his way of saying I'd be sitting for the next couple years until they cut me."

This was from Sports Illustrated

StanleySpadowski

08-01-2007, 02:52 PM

Hostile

08-01-2007, 02:53 PM

Okay, we need to think of a way to incorporate this into the games Vs. the Redskins. No ice cream but vanilla on days we play the Skins. Every time the Offense has a good play for us against their defense fans hold up signs that say stuff about vanilla.

It would be great if it caught on and the networks told the story.

5Stars

08-01-2007, 02:59 PM

I remember reading about this when it fist happened a few years ago...

Yeah, The Midget has his ways...

:rolleyes:

PosterChild

08-01-2007, 03:01 PM

How does he feel about green eggs and ham?

Bull Frog

08-01-2007, 03:06 PM

There is a story of Danny trying a field goal out there somewhere but I can not find it.

If someone else can find it please post it.

I think it was during either Norv or Marty's time, maybe spurriers time but I don't think so.

I also believe it was during training camp.

I found part of the story, I don't know if there is more.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/dr_z/11/05/insider/index.html

Would we ever have heard of Daniel Snyder if he had run his Snyder Communications the way he has run the Redskins? He is no longer the NFL's new boy on the block. He's in his fifth year now, and you'd think he'd have learned something about the way a football team functions, but he still has absolutely no understanding of this unique business. He dug a tunnel under his first two coaches by going directly to the players without telling the staff. He has overruled his current coach, Steve Spurrier, on personnel decisions, making them a committee choice. It's like he hasn't learned what the game is all about. At times his decisions have been has been flat-out ridiculous.

Shortly after Snyder fired Charley Casserly as his GM and replaced him with Vinny Cerrato, Casserly received a call from one of his old Redskins scouts.

"You're not gonna believe this," the scout said. "The owner decided that kicking field goals isn't so tough, so after practice he had Cerrato hold for him, and he tried kicking some -- in his street clothes and shoes." He quit after a few grass-skimmers.

Casserly told the story to his wife, Beverley.

"You see that?" she said. "If you were still there that would have been you holding for those kicks."

Danny White

08-01-2007, 03:20 PM

I found part of the story, I don't know if there is more.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/dr_z/11/05/insider/index.html

Would we ever have heard of Daniel Snyder if he had run his Snyder Communications the way he has run the Redskins? He is no longer the NFL's new boy on the block. He's in his fifth year now, and you'd think he'd have learned something about the way a football team functions, but he still has absolutely no understanding of this unique business. He dug a tunnel under his first two coaches by going directly to the players without telling the staff. He has overruled his current coach, Steve Spurrier, on personnel decisions, making them a committee choice. It's like he hasn't learned what the game is all about. At times his decisions have been has been flat-out ridiculous.

Shortly after Snyder fired Charley Casserly as his GM and replaced him with Vinny Cerrato, Casserly received a call from one of his old Redskins scouts.

"You're not gonna believe this," the scout said. "The owner decided that kicking field goals isn't so tough, so after practice he had Cerrato hold for him, and he tried kicking some -- in his street clothes and shoes." He quit after a few grass-skimmers.

Casserly told the story to his wife, Beverley.

"You see that?" she said. "If you were still there that would have been you holding for those kicks."

That is a ridiculous story... but just think, how awesome would it be to own an NFL team? Get to screw around like this, have NFL superstars kiss your butt, and make grown men hold field goals for you. :D

31smackdown

08-01-2007, 03:57 PM

So who is in charge of ordering the vanilla ice cream and large box of popcorn to be sent to Mr. Snyder?.. We can throw in a couple of cans of Moxie along with it..

jterrell

08-01-2007, 04:04 PM

That is a ridiculous story... but just think, how awesome would it be to own an NFL team? Get to screw around like this, have NFL superstars kiss your butt, and make grown men hold field goals for you. :D

I'd rather act like Jerry and be buddy buddy with entertainers, politicians and rich Arabs, lol.

Bossing around Vinny Cerrato would do nothing for me.

Then again I grew past 5'5" as well, something Danny knows nothing about.

If I owned the Cowboys there'd be a bring a cheerleader to the offense day for sure... and I wouldn't let Troy steal away my hot secretary, rofl.

SultanOfSix

08-01-2007, 06:53 PM

I bet the bins of ice cream were bigger than Snyder. Great story.

BrAinPaiNt

08-01-2007, 07:02 PM

I found part of the story, I don't know if there is more.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/dr_z/11/05/insider/index.html

Would we ever have heard of Daniel Snyder if he had run his Snyder Communications the way he has run the Redskins? He is no longer the NFL's new boy on the block. He's in his fifth year now, and you'd think he'd have learned something about the way a football team functions, but he still has absolutely no understanding of this unique business. He dug a tunnel under his first two coaches by going directly to the players without telling the staff. He has overruled his current coach, Steve Spurrier, on personnel decisions, making them a committee choice. It's like he hasn't learned what the game is all about. At times his decisions have been has been flat-out ridiculous.

Shortly after Snyder fired Charley Casserly as his GM and replaced him with Vinny Cerrato, Casserly received a call from one of his old Redskins scouts.

"You're not gonna believe this," the scout said. "The owner decided that kicking field goals isn't so tough, so after practice he had Cerrato hold for him, and he tried kicking some -- in his street clothes and shoes." He quit after a few grass-skimmers.

Casserly told the story to his wife, Beverley.

"You see that?" she said. "If you were still there that would have been you holding for those kicks."

Yes that is it.

I remember when I first read that story I had an image of lucy holding, and then pulling the ball away, and charlie brown missing the ball while doing a backflip. :laugh1: