Phil Savage on Brady Quinn & Playoffs

[stardeep]

I read the following on a Browns board http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149#s=149&f=1547&t=911835 courtesy of WeinerSoBig, who says he spoke with Savage at a United Way function at CBS tonight. Seemed plausible enough to post.

WeinerSoBig – “I know you said that Quinn won’t start the season opener, but do you see him starting at all during this season?”

Phil – “Probably not, I’m not sure. My number one goal is not to make the playoffs, but to win the Super Bowl. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to make the playoffs, but every year my first goal is to win the Super Bowl. Let’s face it, we won’t win the Super Bowl this year. So why rush Brady if he’s not ready. I’ll use an analogy. Let’s say the Browns Organization is an automobile. A $700 million automobile. And let’s say you have a son who just turned age 16. You’re not going to throw him the keys to that $700 million automobile the first day he turns 16. You’re going to first teach him how to drive and how to handle the automobile before you let him take control of it.”

The rest of the conversation is at the link posted above.

[stealth]

so if this season is a wash anyways why not let the kid play?

[iceberg]

so if this season is a wash anyways why not let the kid play?

cause he doesn't know how to drive yet.

[TunaFan33]

so if this season is a wash anyways why not let the kid play?

Either way-we're getting DMF-so what's to complain about? Their other QBs are ****e.

[Big Dakota]

so if this season is a wash anyways why not let the kid play?


First, i'm shocked Phil would go that far to say they won't win the SB. They won't but to say it??? But to your question, there are 2 schools of thought as you know. The Troy Aikman school and the Tony Romo school. Neither is wrong IMHO. Many guys have played from day 1 and become champions and HOF members. Some have been groomed. But i've never TOTALLY bought into the "Sit and learn" philosophy. Sitting didn't get Danny White over the top.

[TunaFan33]

First, i'm shocked Phil would go that far to say they won't win the SB. They won't but to say it??? But to your question, there are 2 schools of thought as you know. The Troy Aikman school and the Tony Romo school. Neither is wrong IMHO. Many guys have played from day 1 and become champions and HOF members. Some have been groomed. But i've never TOTALLY bought into the "Sit and learn" philosophy. Sitting didn't get Danny White over the top.

Either way is OK in my book-if anything, my beef with Parcells was that he didn't put Romo in back in '04(when our season was all but over) just to get him some EXPERIENCE(of course, Parcells kept Vinny in there b/c supposedly, a WC spot was up for grabs). And then, of course, there was that 2nd Skins game a year later when the game was out of hand, Bledsoe lobbied Parcells to keep him in there.

But yeah-whatever works, whatever works.

[Danny White]

We definitely need a poster named "WeinerSoBig" on this board! :lmao2:

[Royal Laegotti]

...And Charlie Frye does know how to drive a $700 mil automobile???:confused: I'd say he's driven into several trees.

:laugh1:

[Big Dakota]

Either way is OK in my book-if anything, my beef with Parcells was that he didn't put Romo in back in '04(when our season was all but over) just to get him some EXPERIENCE(of course, Parcells kept Vinny in there b/c supposedly, a WC spot was up for grabs). And then, of course, there was that 2nd Skins game a year later when the game was out of hand, Bledsoe lobbied Parcells to keep him in there.

But yeah-whatever works, whatever works.

I watched Monday Matchup couple weeks back(Indy vs Chicago) and they got into a discussion about some QB, don't remember who, but Bill was asked something, can't remember, but Bill gave that Parcells stare and said the QB wasn't ready. He believes that a guy should NOT step into that possition without being as close to 100% ready as possible, by Parcells standards. I'm sure he's played guys when he didn't want to, but he feels so strongly about it that it's hard to argue. He feels like it will ruin a guy, and it MAY HAVE happened many times in NFL history. But i'm of a mind, if the cream is gonna rise, it's gonna rise. But Bill is a horse guy, as am i, and you bring young horses along slowly until they are ready and no matter if it's racing or rodeo, you will hurt a horse if you go too fast when he's young. Bill is speaking psychologically with a QB more so than physically like with a horse, but still, he has that mentality and obviously feels strongly. Plus, Bill is a huge MLB guy, and you bring those guys on PAINFULLY slow in most cases. I don't always agree, but he's the HOF coach.

[Big Dakota]

...And Charlie Frye does know how to drive a $700 mil automobile???:confused: I'd say he's driven into several trees.

:laugh1:


At least Briggs flees the scene. Charlie hangs around for more:lmao2:

[Big Dakota]

We definitely need a poster named "WeinerSoBig" on this board! :lmao2:


Weiner?

[Royal Laegotti]

At least Briggs flees the scene. Charlie hangs around for more:lmao2:



:lmao:

Ahh wants to finish that ride off does he!

[iceberg]

Weiner?

yes???

[Royal Laegotti]

We definitely need a poster named "WeinerSoBig" on this board! :lmao2:
Too bad you didn't think of that back in April of '04.:eek:

[Big Dakota]

yes???

I guess i don't go around making weiner suggestions. I'm more of a peach kinda guy, but hey.......

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Eatapeach.jpeg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Eatapeach.jpeg)

[Rack Bauer]

I watched Monday Matchup couple weeks back(Indy vs Chicago) and they got into a discussion about some QB, don't remember who, but Bill was asked something, can't remember, but Bill gave that Parcells stare and said the QB wasn't ready. He believes that a guy should NOT step into that possition without being as close to 100% ready as possible, by Parcells standards. I'm sure he's played guys when he didn't want to, but he feels so strongly about it that it's hard to argue. He feels like it will ruin a guy, and it MAY HAVE happened many times in NFL history. But i'm of a mind, if the cream is gonna rise, it's gonna rise. But Bill is a horse guy, as am i, and you bring young horses along slowly until they are ready and no matter if it's racing or rodeo, you will hurt a horse if you go too fast when he's young. Bill is speaking psychologically with a QB more so than physically like with a horse, but still, he has that mentality and obviously feels strongly. Plus, Bill is a huge MLB guy, and you bring those guys on PAINFULLY slow in most cases. I don't always agree, but he's the HOF coach.


:hammer:

I happen to agree with BP on this issue. I think for the most part, you don't ever want to start a rookie QB. Maybe not even the second year either. There are exceptions like Aikman and Manning, but for every Aikman there's 20 David Klinglers. People can easily just "Well they were just busts" but I think half of those first round bust QBs could have been solid (or better) QBs in the NFL if they were brought along slowly.


Plus, there's a WHOLE LOT a QB can learn from the sideline. I think it's that overload of learning those things, plus the things they learn on the field that ruins them. Let them learn what they can learn from the sidelines, then bring them along to the next step of learning, on the field.


Even Aikman has said he came so close to losing his confidence his rookie year. We may have been lucky he got hurt at the end of the season (thereby sparing him having to play the WHOLE season as a rookie), I dunno. I'm glad it worked out with Aikman, but who knows, maybe he could of been even better if he sat out a year and learned from the sidelines? I know he's a HOFer, but you never know. We even had Danny White for him to learn from (till we cut him).

[Big Dakota]

:hammer:

I happen to agree with BP on this issue. I think for the most part, you don't ever want to start a rookie QB. Maybe not even the second year either. There are exceptions like Aikman and Manning, but for every Aikman there's 20 David Klinglers. People can easily just "Well they were just busts" but I think half of those first round bust QBs could have been solid (or better) QBs in the NFL if they were brought along slowly.


Plus, there's a WHOLE LOT a QB can learn from the sideline. I think it's that overload of learning those things, plus the things they learn on the field that ruins them. Let them learn what they can learn from the sidelines, then bring them along to the next step of learning, on the field.


Even Aikman has said he came so close to losing his confidence his rookie year. We may have been lucky he got hurt at the end of the season (thereby sparing him having to play the WHOLE season as a rookie), I dunno. I'm glad it worked out with Aikman, but who knows, maybe he could of been even better if he sat out a year and learned from the sidelines? I know he's a HOFer, but you never know. We even had Danny White for him to learn from (till we cut him).


Well in Troy's case(and probably a lot more QBs like Carr) the physical beating is huge and there's no way any QB benefits from that. I remember listening to and watching a deal on Bradshaw, and what he had to go through from the sacks, to his coach to the fans, i wonder how tough that man had to be to endure. I hate the Steelers, but i have to give Terry his props from being that tough. Most of the time a franchise doesn't play a rook QB unless he's a high pick, meaning they were/are bad. That's the catch 22 in most cases.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

First, i'm shocked Phil would go that far to say they won't win the SB. They won't but to say it??? But to your question, there are 2 schools of thought as you know. The Troy Aikman school and the Tony Romo school. Neither is wrong IMHO. Many guys have played from day 1 and become champions and HOF members. Some have been groomed. But i've never TOTALLY bought into the "Sit and learn" philosophy. Sitting didn't get Danny White over the top.

The guy in SF whos name eludes me atm in his first year there said something along the lines fo that year was a development year and that they were playing to develop and not playing to win every game. The press had a field day on it talking about how he ws betraying the season ticket holders etc.

A few years later and SF is an up and coming team looking to make a push in the playoffs.

I find it refreshing that a GM can be upfront and realistic about the best way to ensure the future of his franchise and not lie to everyone along the way. Browns fan deep down knows that they dont have a chance this year as I thibnk we did too in the depths of the Campo era. Dont you wish Jones would have acted accordingly.

I mean look at the 2003 season. We played to win no questtion. Looking back on it now I think we can all see that the team overachieved beyond our wildest dreams and had no chance to beat NE that year much less anyone else in the playoffs. 2004 was a trainwreck that should have happened a year earlier and wed have been better offf for it.

[Big Dakota]

The guy in SF whos name eludes me atm in his first year there said something along the lines fo that year was a development year and that they were playing to develop and not playing to win every game. The press had a field day on it talking about how he ws betraying the season ticket holders etc.

A few years later and SF is an up and coming team looking to make a push in the playoffs.

I find it refreshing that a GM can be upfront and realistic about the best way to ensure the future of his franchise and not lie to everyone along the way. Browns fan deep down knows that they dont have a chance this year as I thibnk we did too in the depths of the Campo era. Dont you wish Jones would have acted accordingly.

I mean look at the 2003 season. We played to win no questtion. Looking back on it now I think we can all see that the team overachieved beyond our wildest dreams and had no chance to beat NE that year much less anyone else in the playoffs. 2004 was a trainwreck that should have happened a year earlier and wed have been better offf for it.




I agree 100% with Phil, and give him credit fro being honest, but in Vegas you can still bet on the Browns to win it all. My point is, ya NEVER, EVER, EVER, say NEVER, and i don't care what business you're in.

[dogunwo]

...And Charlie Frye does know how to drive a $700 mil automobile???:confused: I'd say he's driven into several trees.

:laugh1:
and lamp posts

[Deep_Freeze]

I watched Monday Matchup couple weeks back(Indy vs Chicago) and they got into a discussion about some QB, don't remember who, but Bill was asked something, can't remember, but Bill gave that Parcells stare and said the QB wasn't ready. He believes that a guy should NOT step into that possition without being as close to 100% ready as possible, by Parcells standards. I'm sure he's played guys when he didn't want to, but he feels so strongly about it that it's hard to argue. He feels like it will ruin a guy, and it MAY HAVE happened many times in NFL history. But i'm of a mind, if the cream is gonna rise, it's gonna rise. But Bill is a horse guy, as am i, and you bring young horses along slowly until they are ready and no matter if it's racing or rodeo, you will hurt a horse if you go too fast when he's young. Bill is speaking psychologically with a QB more so than physically like with a horse, but still, he has that mentality and obviously feels strongly. Plus, Bill is a huge MLB guy, and you bring those guys on PAINFULLY slow in most cases. I don't always agree, but he's the HOF coach.

I have to agree with tuna here also, some guys just need more time. It really depends on the guy, and it is the coach's job to evaluate if the guy has the mentality to be ready to start. We all know how cocky Romo is now, but would he have been that cocky if we had thrown him to the wolves early?? Probably not if he was unsuccessful in those first games.

Some guys are ready, some aren't. It takes a good coach's evaluation as soon as he steps on the field for that team, to figure out if a particular guy is ready. Confidence or a lack thereof, can sometimes override talent, both in football and real life.

[dogunwo]

:hammer:

I happen to agree with BP on this issue. I think for the most part, you don't ever want to start a rookie QB. Maybe not even the second year either. There are exceptions like Aikman and Manning, but for every Aikman there's 20 David Klinglers. People can easily just "Well they were just busts" but I think half of those first round bust QBs could have been solid (or better) QBs in the NFL if they were brought along slowly.


Plus, there's a WHOLE LOT a QB can learn from the sideline. I think it's that overload of learning those things, plus the things they learn on the field that ruins them. Let them learn what they can learn from the sidelines, then bring them along to the next step of learning, on the field.


Even Aikman has said he came so close to losing his confidence his rookie year. We may have been lucky he got hurt at the end of the season (thereby sparing him having to play the WHOLE season as a rookie), I dunno. I'm glad it worked out with Aikman, but who knows, maybe he could of been even better if he sat out a year and learned from the sidelines? I know he's a HOFer, but you never know. We even had Danny White for him to learn from (till we cut him).
Question your line of thinking a lot of times, but you are on the money this time.

[sago1]

Actually I think Parcells is more right then wrong. I just don't think the young QB needs to sit for 3 1/2 years.

Also are we talking about the overall #1 pick like Aikman whose drafted by the worse team in the NFL and is supposed to turn that team around. Or are we talking about a #1 QB who was his team's first pick but maybe taken with later enough in the first round so they are a decent team who can provide pass protection, etc?

The success rate of QBs drafted in the first round hasn't been overwhelmingly successful mostly (I believe) because they were rushed too often to start/produce right away.

[tomson75]

It's wiener, stupids. Gosh.

[CATCH17]

I watched Monday Matchup couple weeks back(Indy vs Chicago) and they got into a discussion about some QB, don't remember who, but Bill was asked something, can't remember, but Bill gave that Parcells stare and said the QB wasn't ready. He believes that a guy should NOT step into that possition without being as close to 100% ready as possible, by Parcells standards. I'm sure he's played guys when he didn't want to, but he feels so strongly about it that it's hard to argue. He feels like it will ruin a guy, and it MAY HAVE happened many times in NFL history. But i'm of a mind, if the cream is gonna rise, it's gonna rise. But Bill is a horse guy, as am i, and you bring young horses along slowly until they are ready and no matter if it's racing or rodeo, you will hurt a horse if you go too fast when he's young. Bill is speaking psychologically with a QB more so than physically like with a horse, but still, he has that mentality and obviously feels strongly. Plus, Bill is a huge MLB guy, and you bring those guys on PAINFULLY slow in most cases. I don't always agree, but he's the HOF coach.


Thanks for that post and I agree with Bill completely when it comes to the Quarterback.

Some guys you can throw out there and they'll be ok but a lot dont.

I think its just to much to risk financially and would be a wise investment just to let the guy learn on the bench.

[Danny White]

It's wiener, stupids. Gosh.

Don't tell that to "dargonking" :laugh2:

[burmafrd]

I think it is just as much an individual thing. Some can do it and come cannot. BUT I really believe that throwing a rookie into a situation where he is going to get sacked 50 times has no benefit at all. I think Carr could have been ( and might still be) a good QB; but after 250 sacks in 4 years I really doubt that any QB would be worth a damn. I think Aikman's career was shortened by the beating he took early on.