Jaguars sign veteran cornerback Aaron Glenn

[jdnoyes]

*already been posted in the Aaron Glenn cut thread sorry*

ESPN reports Jacksonville signed cornerback Aaron Glenn; released guard Tuten Reyes.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/transactions?source=nav&page=espn

Thus ends the he'll be back after week one speculation.

[DCBoysfan]

Crap!! I was hoping we could sign him back after week 2. I think this was a bad move

[TunaFan33]

*already been posted in the Aaron Glenn cut thread sorry*

ESPN reports Jacksonville signed cornerback Aaron Glenn; released guard Tuten Reyes.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/transactions?source=nav&page=espn

Thus ends the he'll be back after week one speculation.

Del Rio plays more of a Cover 2 style-which is a better fit for Aaron Glenn anyways.

Why is everyone so obsessed? His depth may be nice, but he had nothing left to begin with.

[dooomsday]

Good, maybe now we can move forward.

Glenn's piddling production will be easy to replace.

I have a feeling we'll hear about this with every passing TD as if AG would have made some sort of difference.

[Nors]

If JJ was trying to bring back A. Glenn to be cute and save a few $ he just was burned. Terrible move if that was his angle.

It's very perplexing that they feel better off with Reeves, Parakeete and Ogelsvbe. Sure seems riskier on the surface.
Lets hope they saw Glenn's skills diminished. But by all accounts he played well last game.

[theogt]

Del Rio plays more of a Cover 2 style-which is a better fit for Aaron Glenn anyways.

Why is everyone so obsessed? His depth may be nice, but he had nothing left to begin with.Aaron Glenn is the antithesis of a prototypical Cover 2 corner.

[Bleu Star]

Even though I was one of the peeps hoping we would resign him I am glad the Jags took the worry away by signing him. Now we can all collectively move on to younger talent with great potential. In Wade I trust.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

If JJ was trying to bring back A. Glenn to be cute and save a few $ he just was burned. Terrible move if that was his angle.

It's very perplexing that they feel better off with Reeves, Parakeete and Ogelsvbe. Sure seems riskier on the surface.
Lets hope they saw Glenn's skills diminished. But by all accounts he played well last game.


:hammer:

Thats what I thought when I first heard he was cut..

He was going to make 1.7 million...

He kept 500K after bring cut..

I think the veteran minimum for a player with 11 years or more is 820,000.

I really hope Jerry wasn't trying to save around 400 thousand by releasing Glenn and really is assured by Wade that Reeves will be fine if TNew cant go

I wonder if he signed for minimum in Jacksonville?

[cowboyz]

Aaron Glenn is the antithesis of a prototypical Cover 2 corner.
but are you really running cover 2 with glenn's on the field?

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Del Rio plays more of a Cover 2 style-which is a better fit for Aaron Glenn anyways.

Why is everyone so obsessed? His depth may be nice, but he had nothing left to begin with.


Cover 2 corners are big a physical. They have to jam WR's at line of scrimmage to disrupt timing. 5'9 with cleats and 185 isn't very physical.

[theogt]

but are you really running cover 2 with glenn's on the field?I'm not sure what you're asking. Sure you can run a cover 2 with Glenn.

[Crown Royal]

I don't think that Jerry was trying to be cute. The only time he cuts a player because of salary is when that player just isn't giving you the value for the money, which Glenn wasn't. If they were really interested in retaining him, they wouldn't have cut him.

I don't think Jerry would ever put his team in jeopardy to save a few dollars.

[Crown Royal]

Cover 2 corners are big a physical. They have to jam WR's at line of scrimmage to disrupt timing. 5'9 with cleats and 185 isn't very physical.


Like Ronde Barber?

[SkinsandTerps]

http://www.jaguars.com/News/Article.aspx?id=6283

Jaguars Sign Glenn; Release Reyes
09/03/07

The Jacksonville Jaguars today signed 14-year veteran cornerback Aaron Glenn and released guard Tutan Reyes. Glenn spent the last two seasons with the Dallas Cowboys before being released in final cuts on September 1.


Glenn, 35, played in all 16 games for the Cowboys last season with one start and started their postseason contest against Seattle. The 5-9, 183-pound cornerback recorded 20 tackles and one interception along with three kickoff returns for 24 yards. His interception extended his streak of 12 consecutive seasons with an interception which is tied for the NFL’s longest active stretch along with Ty Law.


The 14th-year veteran has started 171 of his 196 career games after being drafted by the New York Jets with the 12th overall selection in the 1994 NFL Draft out of Texas A&M. He has tallied 635 career tackles, 40 interceptions and five interceptions returned for touchdowns. The Humble, Texas native also has 115 career kickoff returns for 2,622 yards (22.8 avg.) and one touchdown. He will wear jersey No. 23.

[TheSport78]

Releasing AG had to be a Jerry move. Isn't Wade supposed to have the scheme fit the player rather than specific players fitting the scheme? Unless Wade was BS'ing, this was a Jerry move 100%

[Frozen700]

YES!.....glad hes gone...hes a damn liability...cant play slot because hes too small...and gets burnt by number 1's......Finally!

[Crown Royal]

Releasing AG had to be a Jerry move. Isn't Wade supposed to have the scheme fit the player rather than specific players fitting the scheme? Unless Wade was BS'ing, this was a Jerry move 100%


Really? That's you logic? If it were that simple, then Wade would be able to build a scheme around bad players. Scheme or not, you have to still be able to play. They don't think Glenn can.

[Woods]

I honestly don't think JJ was looking to save a few hundered thousand while cutting Glenn.

Seriously, given Newman's situation, and given that we're well under the cap, and that the Head Coach has openly critized the lack of depth at the position, would JJ would cut Glenn to save a few hundred thousand (while aspiring to win the division and win a playoff game(s))?

I don't think so.

JJ has never been one not to spend to try to win. If anything, you can blame him for overspending at times.

My opinion is that the coaching staff probably felt they wanted to get a bit younger at the position, and that the difference in THEIR opinion between Glenn and Reeves was negligible. So you go with the younger guy who you think is about to break out.

Now we'll see if the coaching staff made the correct decision. But I just don't think the primary motive was to save a few hundred thousand dollars.

[cowboyz]

I'm not sure what you're asking. Sure you can run a cover 2 with Glenn.
glenn is the nickel, he won't be used as a typical cover 2 corner

[Rampage]

this is becoming a big problem:mad:

[TunaFan33]

Frankly-I'm glad Bill P isn't make the calls anymore.

At least Jerry/Wade aren't making bone-headed moves like firing Steven Hoffman-wow, now THAT killed our season.

[Coakleys Dad]

I thought Aaron Glenn did a good job for us. He was a hard worker and a leader. He was older but I still though he did a good job while here..good luck Aaron.

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't think that Jerry was trying to be cute. The only time he cuts a player because of salary is when that player just isn't giving you the value for the money, which Glenn wasn't. If they were really interested in retaining him, they wouldn't have cut him.

I don't think Jerry would ever put his team in jeopardy to save a few dollars.

You nailed it.

The folks that think we were just being "cheap" are wrong.

[theogt]

You nailed it.

The folks that think we were just being "cheap" are wrong.Sometimes it's just better to think that we're cheap than dumb enough to prefer Reeves at corner every down over Glenn.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Like Ronde Barber?

Ronde Barber sure is similar in size BUT he has been playing in that defense with Monte Kiffin for how long?????

Barber will at least try to be physical at the line of scrimmage unless of course he is trying to tackle Tiki.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/_photos/2006-10-29-barber.jpg


Not saying Glenn cant be a cover 2 corner , he just doesn't strike me as a physical corner.

[TheSport78]

AG may have been older but he's still an upgrade over Reeves/Jones/Ball who basically have NO playoff experience with the exception of the Seattle game. AG was a great veteran presence in the secondary that will be missed. I hope this doesn't come back to bite us..

[MrMom]

Frankly-I'm glad Bill P isn't make the calls anymore.

At least Jerry/Wade aren't making bone-headed moves like firing Steven Hoffman-wow, now THAT killed our season.


:lmao2:

[Alexander]

Sometimes it's just better to think that we're cheap than dumb enough to prefer Reeves at corner every down over Glenn.

Thank you.

[MichaelWinicki]

Sometimes it's just better to think that we're cheap than dumb enough to prefer Reeves at corner every down over Glenn.

I guess I missed the part about Reeves having to play every down this season... maybe someone will be kind enough to furnish a linky where someone representing the Cowboys says that. Hmm?

[Crown Royal]

I don't know that all the successful cover 2 DBs are big guys. Tillman is pretty big, but Nathan Vasher is also comparable to Glenn.

I think zone coverage ability and intelligence is far more important than size in cover 2.

[Crown Royal]

AG may have been older but he's still an upgrade over Reeves/Jones/Ball who basically have NO playoff experience with the exception of the Seattle game. AG was a great veteran presence in the secondary that will be missed. I hope this doesn't come back to bite us..

I don't disagree with this - I personally liked him, and thought he was decent. I don't know if I agree with the talent evaluation. I just don't think that it was a money saving move - I think it was a talent evaluation issue.

Let's just hope they evaluated correctly.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

I guess I missed the part about Reeves having to play every down this season... maybe someone will be kind enough to furnish a linky where someone representing the Cowboys says that. Hmm?


A cortizone shot in the foot is the only way our best corner is going to be on the field Sunday Night isn't exactly reassuring.....

[MichaelWinicki]

AG may have been older but he's still an upgrade over Reeves/Jones/Ball who basically have NO playoff experience with the exception of the Seattle game. AG was a great veteran presence in the secondary that will be missed. I hope this doesn't come back to bite us..

Ball is not even on the team.

I'd like to see the proof of how Glenn is STILL an upgrade over Reeves and Jones. He was probably an upgrade back in 1980 but it's been a long time since Glenn was an elite corner.

Playoff experience? Please! It's not like Glenn was playing on teams that were making the playoffs every year! Come'on! This Glenn argument is getting more ridiculous by the moment. Maybe some of you can get out your black arm-bands and wear them in memory of our beloved former nickel corner.

[Hostile]

Crap! I was so looking forward to the belly laugh at eduncan's reaction if we brought him back.

[MichaelWinicki]

A cortizone shot in the foot is the only way our best corner is going to be on the field Sunday Night isn't exactly reassuring.....

I guess you should be glad you didn't know what sort of injury issues Henry had last year huh? Or the knee problem Newman had in '05.

Football and injuries go hand & hand.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

I don't know that all the successful cover 2 DBs are big guys. Tillman is pretty big, but Nathan Vasher is also comparable to Glenn.

I think zone coverage ability and intelligence is far more important than size in cover 2.


Your right about the intelligence...

But size is prefered in the scheme if you can sign them or draft them..

Look at Dungy's starting corners

Marlin Jackson

6'0 190

Kelvin Hayden

6'0 195

[Alexander]

I guess I missed the part about Reeves having to play every down this season... maybe someone will be kind enough to furnish a linky where someone representing the Cowboys says that. Hmm?

What link do you have that suggests that Newman is more than 50-50 for this game?

The only way this can be put to rest is for Newman to step in and play as if he isn't injured. If that is true, the optimism is founded somewhat.

The predominant line of thinking, right or wrong, is that Newman will eventually not be able to perform at a high level. So, your third cornerback makes an impact whether you like it or not, want to deny it will happen or not.

Anyone who is logical can see the issues that would cause. That same logical mind would be able to take the totality of what Reeves has shown to date and realize he is not head and shoulders above Glenn, not in experience or playmaking ability. He is a veteran at a position where it actually does pay to have seen it all. I saw nothing from the player in preseason that showed he lost a step he never had. I did see Reeves make some awful mistakes that would get many players cut, not promoted.

[Crown Royal]

I guess you should be glad you didn't know what sort of injury issues Henry had last year huh? Or the knee problem Newman had in '05.

Football and injuries go hand & hand.


I still think we are overdoing it on the Newman thing.

I said it in another thread - Glenn, Newman, whatever - teams are going to pass on this team. They just are. There are going to be some games where it seems we just can't stop the QB. That's a Wade Phillips thing - we'll probably stop the run and harass the QB, but we are going to find a team that can stop the blitz, and everyone is going to freak out.

Newsflash - this was going to happen one way or another.

I hate the CB position, to be honest. There isn't a team in the NFL that considers itself to be deep here, and in this passing league, CBs get burned. Unfortunately, people seem to forget that the WR is getting paid too.

[theogt]

I guess I missed the part about Reeves having to play every down this season... maybe someone will be kind enough to furnish a linky where someone representing the Cowboys says that. Hmm?I guess I missed the part about anyone saying Reeves had to play every down this season. But he will have to play every down of a game in which Newman isn't playing.

[Crown Royal]

Your right about the intelligence...

But size is prefered in the scheme if you can sign them or draft them..

Look at Dungy's starting corners

Marlin Jackson

6'0 190

Kelvin Hayden

6'0 195



The difference is that my example actually used really good CBs. Those are his starters, but it isn't like teams haven't been able to pass on the Colts.

[MrMom]

winicki is getting spanked.

[REDVOLUTION]

You nailed it.

The folks that think we were just being "cheap" are wrong.


Exactly. If Glenn was a KEY part of the defense we were building then Jerry would not have cared about the money.

Glenn was a liability. Expendable.

[TunaFan33]

The difference is that my example actually used really good CBs. Those are his starters, but it isn't like teams haven't been able to pass on the Colts.

The Colts' weakness is their run D, actually. They were like #3 against the pass last year.

[superpunk]

winicki is getting spanked.

This must be one of those days that end in "y".

[Crown Royal]

The Colts' weakness is their run D, actually. They were like #3 against the pass last year.


Mea culpa, you are correct.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

If we dont draft a corner in the first 2 rounds next year I am going to shart myself...

Im tired of these late round picks being wasted on corners. Instead of paying in free agency (not directed at TNEW) 29 year corners mad loot, not sure why you cant draft a young stud and sign him for 5-6 years.

Like this stud....



http://media.scout.com/media/image/37/378352.jpg

[theogt]

You want to draft Mike Hart to play corner?

[Angus]

Ball is not even on the team.

I'd like to see the proof of how Glenn is STILL an upgrade over Reeves and Jones. He was probably an upgrade back in 1980 but it's been a long time since Glenn was an elite corner.

Playoff experience? Please! It's not like Glenn was playing on teams that were making the playoffs every year! Come'on! This Glenn argument is getting more ridiculous by the moment. Maybe some of you can get out your black arm-bands and wear them in memory of our beloved former nickel corner.

Agreed! Good post.

:)

[TunaFan33]

First everyone here was saying a couple of weeks ago how this secondary is *garbage*, and this is WITH an *ineffective, washed up* Aaron Glenn.

And now everyone here is all of a sudden hyping A. Glenn as a Top 5 Shut Down Corner?

Wow-you guys really have nothing to do on Labor Day.:bang2:

[McCordsville Cowboy]

You want to draft Mike Hart to play corner?

No but I'll take the all world Appalachia State QB though...

[Alexander]

First everyone here was saying a couple of weeks ago how this secondary is *garbage*, and this is WITH an *ineffective, washed up* Aaron Glenn.

And now everyone here is all of a sudden hyping A. Glenn as a Top 5 Shut Down Corner?

Wow-you guys really have nothing to do on Labor Day.:bang2:

First, you are overstating things in some vain effort to prove a point you don't have.

Second, a short time ago, our own head coach expressed doubts that we had cornerbacks that could play in the NFL, of which I am assuming Reeves was one of being that his name was not excluded.

But it is suddenly safe to feel secure about Reeves? For what reason?

[theogt]

First everyone here was saying a couple of weeks ago how this secondary is *garbage*, and this is WITH an *ineffective, washed up* Aaron Glenn.

And now everyone here is all of a sudden hyping A. Glenn as a Top 5 Shut Down Corner?

Wow-you guys really have nothing to do on Labor Day.:bang2:Right, because saying that Glenn is better than Reeves is certainly the equivalent to calling him a "Top 5 Shut Down Corner."

[TunaFan33]

First, you are overstating things in some vain effort to prove a point you don't have.

Second, a short time ago, our own head coach expressed doubts that we had cornerbacks that could play in the NFL, of which I am assuming Reeves was one of being that his name was not excluded.

But it is suddenly safe to feel secure about Reeves? For what reason?

I didn't say I was. Aaron Glenn may have alot of experience, but he's a couple of steps slower. Reeves may have be a few steps faster, but lacks. So it's a wash in my book.

Pretty much all 32 teams are thin in the secondary. Frankly-I really don't get why we're having all these threads to begin with.

[SupermanXx]

If we dont draft a corner in the first 2 rounds next year I am going to shart myslef...


http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/players/2/5541.jpg

[MichaelWinicki]

winicki is getting spanked.

I don't see how.

[MichaelWinicki]

Agreed! Good post.

:)

No it's not.

Supposedly I'm getting "spanked". :laugh1:

[MichaelWinicki]

What link do you have that suggests that Newman is more than 50-50 for this game?

The only way this can be put to rest is for Newman to step in and play as if he isn't injured. If that is true, the optimism is founded somewhat.

The predominant line of thinking, right or wrong, is that Newman will eventually not be able to perform at a high level. So, your third cornerback makes an impact whether you like it or not, want to deny it will happen or not.

Anyone who is logical can see the issues that would cause. That same logical mind would be able to take the totality of what Reeves has shown to date and realize he is not head and shoulders above Glenn, not in experience or playmaking ability. He is a veteran at a position where it actually does pay to have seen it all. I saw nothing from the player in preseason that showed he lost a step he never had. I did see Reeves make some awful mistakes that would get many players cut, not promoted.


Newman has said himself that regardless he is playing. Not my words.

[burmafrd]

I did not see any sign that Glenn had lost much if any speed. I guess we will find out pretty quick if the boys made the right call. Something that is also left out was the mentoring that Glenn was doing for the other CBs.

[speedkilz88]

I don't see how.
That was a come-on Winicki.:lmao:

[MichaelWinicki]

I did not see any sign that Glenn had lost much if any speed. I guess we will find out pretty quick if the boys made the right call. Something that is also left out was the mentoring that Glenn was doing for the other CBs.

Phillips said that Glenn would need help if he played for any extended period of time.

Sure Glenn mentored but if the other guys haven't "gotten it" after spending two years with Glenn I doubt 1 more season would have changed things.

[MichaelWinicki]

That was a come-on Winicki.:lmao:

Well I'm married. :)

[zrinkill]

I am happy that A. Glenn will be allowed to continue his career if that is what he wants to do.

I wish him all the best unless he plays us in the Superbowl.

:)

[eduncan22]

It's over now.

We need to move on.


We need to start taking a look at Henry.

Who can we find to replace him?

[DallasEast]

It's over now.

We need to move on.


We need to start taking a look at Henry.

Who can we find to replace him?It's over now.

We will move on.


No one will start looking at Henry except you.

No one will replace him in '07.

[Alexander]

Newman has said himself that regardless he is playing. Not my words.

Newman has also said that he can't plant on the foot and that he's only hopeful he can take steps to be able to play.

That's a far cry from stating he is healthy and good to go to play an entire game.

The only reassuring words we have is from Doctor Jerry Jones who has said he "will be fine".

We have heard the same thing from Doctor Wade Phillips too: "I think he is going to be alright".

It sounds like very little fact and quite a bit of finger-crossing.

Until I hear Newman say "I will be fine", I will continue to be skeptical.

[Alexander]

Phillips said that Glenn would need help if he played for any extended period of time.

Most cornerbacks would in this type of scheme.

Are you assuming any corner not named Newman on this team wouldn't?

[dogunwo]

It's over now.

We need to move on.


We need to start taking a look at Henry.

Who can we find to replace him?
Not going to happen this year buddy

[TunaFan33]

Newman has also said that he can't plant on the foot and that he's only hopeful he can take steps to be able to play.

That's a far cry from stating he is healthy and good to go to play an entire game.

The only reassuring words we have is from Doctor Jerry Jones who has said he "will be fine".

We have heard the same thing from Doctor Wade Phillips too: "I think he is going to be alright".

It sounds like very little fact and quite a bit of finger-crossing.

Until I hear Newman say "I will be fine", I will continue to be skeptical.

Or it's one of those injuries where once you "get your feet wet" on the field, he'll get used to the pain the rest of the game.

Jason Taylor had this same injury one year, he was productive.

[MichaelWinicki]

Newman has also said that he can't plant on the foot and that he's only hopeful he can take steps to be able to play.

That's a far cry from stating he is healthy and good to go to play an entire game.

The only reassuring words we have is from Doctor Jerry Jones who has said he "will be fine".

We have heard the same thing from Doctor Wade Phillips too: "I think he is going to be alright".

It sounds like very little fact and quite a bit of finger-crossing.

Until I hear Newman say "I will be fine", I will continue to be skeptical.


Newman said he can't plant due to the pain... and that was a couple weeks ago. And it was without the benefit of a shot.

Let's just see what happens.

No sense howling at the moon already. :)

[MichaelWinicki]

Most cornerbacks would in this type of scheme.

Are you assuming any corner not named Newman on this team wouldn't?

Hey, look at the positive it'll be really easy to convince people that we need to spend a #1 on a corner come next April. :D

[Mansta54]

TNew will be just fine come sunday nite. With the rest that he's gotten and the shot that he'll get, he'll be his old self. WP knows this, that's why they let AG go. They know TNew will be on the field and ready to roll.

[Alexander]

Or it's one of those injuries where once you "get your feet wet" on the field, he'll get used to the pain the rest of the game.

Jason Taylor had this same injury one year, he was productive.

Jason Taylor is not a cornerback.

[big dog cowboy]

Crap! I was so looking forward to the belly laugh at eduncan's reaction if we brought him back.
The biggest thing I was looking forward to was his blow up. Oh well. I guess we wait until Henry goes pick 6 on somebody.

[Alexander]

No sense howling at the moon already. :)

No sense whistling as you walk by the graveyard either.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

It's over now.

We need to move on.


We need to start taking a look at Henry.

Who can we find to replace him?

A first round draft pick in 08 will replace him in 09' or 10'

[WoodysGirl]

Glenn missed in locker room


LOUIS DeLUCA / DMN
Nobody asked Roy Williams whether Aaron Glenn should be cut. And Williams isn't happy that the locker to his left is empty all the sudden.

"[Hacked] me off," Williams said.

Williams was most vocal in expressing his displeasure that Glenn is gone. Several Cowboys said the 14-year veteran getting cut was a surprise. It's a unanimous opinion that Glenn's leadership will be missed.

"I think he was an asset for us with his wisdom and his knowledge of the game, and the way he took care of the young guys," said Williams, who considered Glenn the team's third-best cornerback. "We learned a lot from him."

Added Jacques Reeves, who moved up the depth chart with Glenn's departure: "He was a professional, a guy you could learn from, not just on the field but off the field."


Posted by Tim MacMahon at 12:40 PM (E-mail this entry) | Comments (0)

Aaron Glenn to Jacksonville
Aaron Glenn is a Jaguar.

The veteran cornerback signed with Jacksonville two days after he was cut by the Cowboys. Even though he might not be the player he was last year or in 2005, Glenn was still an asset to the Cowboys.

Glenn will still receive $500,000 from the Cowboys this year because that was the guaranteed part of his $1.7 million base salary. So in essence, it's a nice double dip by the former Aggie.

Posted by Todd Archer at 11:08 AM (E-mail this entry) | Comments (4)

[dallasfan]

It's over now.

We need to move on.


We need to start taking a look at Henry.

Who can we find to replace him?

We should just release him.

[DallasEast]

Nobody asked Roy Williams whether Aaron Glenn should be cut. And Williams isn't happy that the locker to his left is empty all the sudden.

"[Hacked] me off," Williams said.

Williams was most vocal in expressing his displeasure that Glenn is gone. Several Cowboys said the 14-year veteran getting cut was a surprise. It's a unanimous opinion that Glenn's leadership will be missed.

"I think he was an asset for us with his wisdom and his knowledge of the game, and the way he took care of the young guys," said Williams, who considered Glenn the team's third-best cornerback. "We learned a lot from him."
I feel like I'm getting pulled in two different directions. On one side, Roy Williams, the starting Pro Bowl strong safety, says that Aaron Glenn was an asset to the team. On the other side, Eduncan says that Glenn wasn't all that.

It's so confusing. What am I gonna do? Just what am I gonna do? :nervous:

[Idgit]

No sense whistling as you walk by the graveyard either.

Not gripping about replacing a 14 year veteran at the 3rd CB position hardly qualifies as whistling through the graveyard. It's better to release a player a year too early than a year too late.

And I'm not sure what you're referring to re: J Reeves' play this preseason. If anything, he was stronger than A Glenn, and whenever he's been in in regular season games, he's done a good job. Sometimes he doesn't get his head around in time, but he's always in position, has good speed, and knows his role.

[iceberg]

:hammer:

Thats what I thought when I first heard he was cut..

He was going to make 1.7 million...

He kept 500K after bring cut..

I think the veteran minimum for a player with 11 years or more is 820,000.

I really hope Jerry wasn't trying to save around 400 thousand by releasing Glenn and really is assured by Wade that Reeves will be fine if TNew cant go

I wonder if he signed for minimum in Jacksonville?

so since not many people *not smart* seldom make it to own an NFL team maybe w can assume it was NOT about money also.

or maybe that it was about age/production/value?

when has jones put his checkbook away when he had need? never that i know of.

let's keep this in mind also as we bag on jones and realize maybe - just maybe, it wasn't about money for glenn.

[LaTunaNostra]

It's over now.

We need to move on.


We need to start taking a look at Henry.

Who can we find to replace him?

I suppose your intent is to dog my boy AH all season.

If he's healthy, he'll hold his own. If he's not completely healthy, he'll still be a gamer, and my bet is he will be worth his weight as a tackler and blitzer, regardless.

How 'bout waiting to see how he does in Wade's scheme before packing him off?

Or would that be too clsoe to 'fair' for you?

[iceberg]

I suppose your intent is to dog my boy AH all season.

If he's healthy, he'll hold his own. If he's not completely healthy, he'll still be a gamer, and my bet is he will be worth his weight as a tackler and blitzer, regardless.

How 'bout waiting to see how he does in Wade's scheme before packing him off?

Or would that be too clsoe to 'fair' for you?

e-duncan is *e-genda* all the way. he will do whatever he can to make henry a bad player. one of the true 'haters' in the world where objectivity is a total and complete waste of time.

[DallasEast]

I suppose your intent is to dog my boy AH all season.

If he's healthy, he'll hold his own. If he's not completely healthy, he'll still be a gamer, and my bet is he will be worth his weight as a tackler and blitzer, regardless.

How 'bout waiting to see how he does in Wade's scheme before packing him off?

Or would that be too clsoe to 'fair' for you?
Eduncan? Wait-and-see??? That's rich! :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Be prepared for him to post videos from this personal collection which will PROVE ( :rolleyes: ) beyond a shadow-of-a-doubt how badly Henry has played since he became a Cowboy. ;)

[LaTunaNostra]

Eduncan? Wait-and-see??? That's rich! :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Be prepared for him to post videos from this personal collection which will PROVE ( :rolleyes: ) beyond a shadow-of-a-doubt how badly Henry has played since he became a Cowboy. ;)

Well. I see I have my work cut out for me this season.

I love AH and will not let him be thrown under a daily bus.:p:

[DallasEast]

Well. I see I have my work cut out for me this season.

I love AH and will not let him be thrown under a daily bus.:p:I'm glad you're back, LaTuna. Now, there's one more poster who will have to endure video after video from the Eduncan library which shows our players in one coverage and Eduncan claiming that they are in another. He even has AUDIO on some videos with the announcers claiming what coverage the defense was in and he still doesn't get it. :banghead:

[LaTunaNostra]

I'm glad you're back, LaTuna. Now, there's one more poster who will have to endure video after video from the Eduncan library which shows our players in one coverage and Eduncan claiming that they are in another. He even has AUDIO on some videos with the announcers claiming what coverage the defense was in and he still doesn't get it. :banghead:

Hilarious!

Sounds like the "Football Scientist", only short-circuited.

Speaking of Joyner, I didn't get his manhattan phone book sized tome this year - anyone know how he rated AH in 06...or is that too dangerously 'metric' a question?

[djtavo]

Jaguars sign veteran cornerback Aaron Glenn for secondary depth

Associated Press
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Veteran cornerback Aaron Glenn signed with Jacksonville on Monday, two days after being cut by Dallas.
Glenn gives the Jaguars a fifth cornerback, playing behind starters Rashean Mathis (http://www.nfl.com/players/rasheanmathis/profile?id=MAT211558) and Brian Williams (http://www.nfl.com/players/brianwilliams/profile?id=WIL162415) and possibly competing with Terry Cousin (http://www.nfl.com/players/terrycousin/profile?id=COU610935) for the nickel role.

Jacksonville had planned to keep five cornerbacks, but released second-year player Dee Webb (http://www.nfl.com/players/deewebb/profile?id=WEB108764) and journeyman Bruce Thornton (http://www.nfl.com/players/brucethornton/profile?id=THO761791) in final roster cuts.
To make room on the roster, the Jags released guard Tutan Reyes (http://www.nfl.com/players/tutanreyes/profile?id=REY031542).
The 35-year-old Glenn, a first-round draft pick by the New York Jets (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkjets/profile?team=NYJ) in 1994, has 635 career tackles and 40 interceptions. He spent eight seasons in New York, then played three years in Houston (2002-04) and two in Dallas (2005-06). He made the Pro Bowl in 2000 and 2001.
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94144

Come on man, pay attention.:D :p:

[iceberg]

Repost

[djtavo]

i think glenn was a good cut, he might be injured b4 the season is over too old.

[ThreeSportStar80]

If this year goes up in smoke... Jerry Jones should hire a freakin' GM!

[baj1dallas]

Exactly. If Glenn was a KEY part of the defense we were building then Jerry would not have cared about the money.

Glenn was a liability. Expendable.

Yet he's a better corner than the 3 guys we have now behind our starters.

[iceberg]

Yet he's a better corner than the 3 guys we have now behind our starters.

apparantely our coaches, who we brought in for their defensive experience, didn't think so.

[iceberg]

If this year goes up in smoke... Jerry Jones should hire a freakin' GM!

and since we know he won't....

[Bob Sacamano]

Cover 2 corners are big a physical. They have to jam WR's at line of scrimmage to disrupt timing. 5'9 with cleats and 185 isn't very physical.

actually, they aren't, cover 2 corners are ones who can break on the ball well since they are asked to keep the play in front of them and give the Wr space

[Bob Sacamano]

I honestly don't think JJ was looking to save a few hundered thousand while cutting Glenn.

Seriously, given Newman's situation, and given that we're well under the cap, and that the Head Coach has openly critized the lack of depth at the position, would JJ would cut Glenn to save a few hundred thousand (while aspiring to win the division and win a playoff game(s))?

I don't think so.

JJ has never been one not to spend to try to win. If anything, you can blame him for overspending at times.

My opinion is that the coaching staff probably felt they wanted to get a bit younger at the position, and that the difference in THEIR opinion between Glenn and Reeves was negligible. So you go with the younger guy who you think is about to break out.

Now we'll see if the coaching staff made the correct decision. But I just don't think the primary motive was to save a few hundred thousand dollars.

that's the perfect way to look at it

[Bob Sacamano]

What link do you have that suggests that Newman is more than 50-50 for this game?

The only way this can be put to rest is for Newman to step in and play as if he isn't injured. If that is true, the optimism is founded somewhat.

The predominant line of thinking, right or wrong, is that Newman will eventually not be able to perform at a high level. So, your third cornerback makes an impact whether you like it or not, want to deny it will happen or not.

Anyone who is logical can see the issues that would cause. That same logical mind would be able to take the totality of what Reeves has shown to date and realize he is not head and shoulders above Glenn, not in experience or playmaking ability. He is a veteran at a position where it actually does pay to have seen it all. I saw nothing from the player in preseason that showed he lost a step he never had. I did see Reeves make some awful mistakes that would get many players cut, not promoted.

you need to rely on your 3rd corner a predominant amount of times anyways since teams like to employ 3 WR sets to spread Ds out

y'all are just going to have to trust the coaching staff on this one, they felt like Reeves was the better corner, and we shall see

[Bob Sacamano]

If we dont draft a corner in the first 2 rounds next year I am going to shart myself...

Im tired of these late round picks being wasted on corners. Instead of paying in free agency (not directed at TNEW) 29 year corners mad loot, not sure why you cant draft a young stud and sign him for 5-6 years.

Like this stud....



http://media.scout.com/media/image/37/378352.jpg

wasted? Jacque Reeves, a 7th round pick is now our nickel corner, and could be starting wk 1 in Newman's absence

[Vintage]

I think Wade outlined his thought process in his press conference today.

Maybe there is a talent gap between Reeves and Glenn. But it must have been small enough that Wade didn't think it was worth keeping Glenn around and he wanted to develop Reeves into that role; both now and for the future.

I hated the move at the time; but if Wade is confident there is minimal difference between the two (based on what he has seen), then going with the younger guy makes sense.

[LaTunaNostra]

I think Wade outlined his thought process in his press conference today.

Maybe there is a talent gap between Reeves and Glenn. But it must have been small enough that Wade didn't think it was worth keeping Glenn around and he wanted to develop Reeves into that role; both now and for the future.

I hated the move at the time; but if Wade is confident there is minimal difference between the two (based on what he has seen), then going with the younger guy makes sense.

Well said.

When talent/ability is marginally different..don't we always prefer a head coach go with the guy with a longer NFL future?

[dooomsday]

I think Wade outlined his thought process in his press conference today.

Maybe there is a talent gap between Reeves and Glenn. But it must have been small enough that Wade didn't think it was worth keeping Glenn around and he wanted to develop Reeves into that role; both now and for the future.

I hated the move at the time; but if Wade is confident there is minimal difference between the two (based on what he has seen), then going with the younger guy makes sense.

Its not necessarily to Reeves credit the he appears to have closed the gap. Sounds like Glenn just slid back a bit more.

I have to say as time passes I am becoming more skeptical. Unless the guy totally lost it the vet leadership couldnt hurt.

[Bleu Star]

I suppose your intent is to dog my boy AH all season.

If he's healthy, he'll hold his own. If he's not completely healthy, he'll still be a gamer, and my bet is he will be worth his weight as a tackler and blitzer, regardless.

How 'bout waiting to see how he does in Wade's scheme before packing him off?

Or would that be too clsoe to 'fair' for you?

Amen sista. Henry will hold his own.

[iceberg]

Its not necessarily to Reeves credit the he appears to have closed the gap. Sounds like Glenn just slid back a bit more.

I have to say as time passes I am becoming more skeptical. Unless the guy totally lost it the vet leadership couldnt hurt.

newman isn't exactly a rookie.
roy williams has been around.

vet leadership is the sr member on the team stepping up to lead. with glenn gone, someone else will step up.

[Rampage]

glenn is too soft to play defense. he cowars whenever contact is coming

[Hoofbite]

they had to start getting younger somewhere. Can't just hang onto guys forever. Glenn was steady and thats about it.

[Chocolate Lab]

glenn is too soft to play defense. he cowars whenever contact is coming

He was pretty poor (maybe very poor) against the run, and that is another factor to consider. Reeves is big and tough enough that he'll be better there.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

wasted? Jacque Reeves, a 7th round pick is now our nickel corner, and could be starting wk 1 in Newman's absence

That's not something to be proud of. Starting by default.

And if Newman can't go, you know Eli will go at him all game. He will get abused more by Plaxico than Furrey abused a healthy T-NEW.

[theogt]

That's not something to be proud of. Starting by default.

And if Newman can't go, you know Eli will go at him all game. He will get abused more by Plaxico than Furrey abused a healthy T-NEW.A solid veteran was just cut because of him. I don't think it's at all by default unless default means "better than all of your peers."

[WR17]

I love the spin being put on this. Cutting Glenn would have made sense if Newman and Henry were healthy. Newman is banged up and Henry has been banged up ever sincehe signed with Dallas.

Congrats, Jacques Reeves, a guy who wouldn't even be the #4 on a team with good corner depth, will most likely be getting extensive playing time and maybe even starting time this season.

Furthermore, your one injury one away from two low round draft picks being thrusted into the nickel packages.

[Mansta54]

I love the spin being put on this. Cutting Glenn would have made sense if Newman and Henry were healthy. Newman is banged up and Henry has been banged up ever sincehe signed with Dallas.

Congrats, Jacques Reeves, a guy who wouldn't even be the #4 on a team with good corner depth, will most likely be getting extensive playing time and maybe even starting time this season.

Furthermore, your one injury one away from two low round draft picks being thrusted into the nickel packages.

Draft picks? What do you know about draft picks, yall never have any...:lmao2: Move along idiot!!!

[Bleu Star]

Draft picks? What do you know about draft picks, yall never have any...:lmao2: Move along idiot!!!

ZZZZiiinggg :lmao:

[WR17]

Draft picks? What do you know about draft picks, yall never have any...:lmao2: Move along idiot!!!

Good to see that you had nothing to say because you know what I said is right. Have fun trying to create "pressure" to save your putrid secondary. Phillips has half the talent in Dallas in comparison to what he worked with in San Diego.

You guys are in for a rude awakening. Replacing a HOF coach with a career retread doesn't mean playoffs.

[Rampage]

Good to see that you had nothing to say because you know what I said is right. Have fun trying to create "pressure" to save your putrid secondary. Phillips has half the talent in Dallas in comparison to what he worked with in San Diego.

You guys are in for a rude awakening. Replacing a HOF coach with a career retread doesn't mean playoffs.
i hope we get good pressure on the qb like those skins did last year:rolleyes:

[Mansta54]

Good to see that you had nothing to say because you know what I said is right. Have fun trying to create "pressure" to save your putrid secondary. Phillips has half the talent in Dallas in comparison to what he worked with in San Diego.

You guys are in for a rude awakening. Replacing a HOF coach with a career retread doesn't mean playoffs.

There you go again, what do you know about pressure, yall created NONE last year. Your BUMS had the fewest sacks in the league... Again, move along idiot!!!:lmao2:

[Mansta54]

i hope we get good pressure on the qb like those skins did last year:rolleyes:

This cat is totally CLUELESS. He keeps stickin his foot in is mouth with each post. Unbelievable!!! Can you believe he's talking about draft picks and pressure, and he's a Foreskin fan. What do they know about dratf picks and pressure on the QB? NOTHING!!!!!

[jterrell]

The coaches got to see these guys daily in practice so let's hope this was an informed decision and not about a few dollars.

At 35 Glenn has apparently lost a step and he was a speed player his entire career.

The question is of course can anyone behind him play a lick and I think the answer there is not a good one. We heard Wade say week after week no CB was stepping up.

CB is an early round priority next season as it was this season if we could have found a fit.

The real issue is that Glenn was actually pretty good as a nickel corner last year and now we have complete unknowns. I really expected Nate Jones to be cut as I hadn't seen him make a defensive play in 3 years.

But Glenn was going to only get worse and we have to defer to the staff here.

Its quite possible the team just didn't feel Glenn would remain healthy enough to play all year after his off-season knee scope. So they are gonna go with a young guy and hope he is much better by the end of the year.

[WR17]

Again you had nothing to say except talk about the Skins. Good to see you completely agree with what I said :) .

I'm impressed a realist in Cowboy land. Refreshing to know at least some of you are ready for the rude awakening when Phillips once again proves why hes a retread.

[jterrell]

Good to see that you had nothing to say because you know what I said is right. Have fun trying to create "pressure" to save your putrid secondary. Phillips has half the talent in Dallas in comparison to what he worked with in San Diego.

You guys are in for a rude awakening. Replacing a HOF coach with a career retread doesn't mean playoffs.

what are you gonna use as your new user name after you re-register following the weekend's games?

[WR17]

Watching the replay of Vikings vs. Cowboys on NFLN, Jacques Reeves is getting destroyed by Troy Williamson. :lmao2:

[Cbz40]

what are you gonna use as your new user name after you re-register following the weekend's games?


"rude awakening" :)

[Chief]

You guys are in for a rude awakening. Replacing a HOF coach with a career retread doesn't mean playoffs.

"HOF" coaches sometimes get old and tired. They're not what they used to be.

Look at your guy. He's one step away from being Lou Holtz.

I used to have a theory that anyone who gets near Daniel M. Snyder turns into a complete idiot. Great players went to Washington and all the sudden couldn't play anymore. Good coaches go there and all the sudden can't remember where they parked their car.

Gibbs went from being a "HOF" coach to Gomer Pyle.

In Gibbs' case at least, I don't think it's the Snyder curse. I think he's just a former great coach who knew what he was doing in the 1980s and seriously miscalculated the changes that took place in the league over the past 20 years.

Nobody knows how Wade Phillips will do. What we do know is that his schemes were working very well as recently as a year ago.

[Mansta54]

what are you gonna use as your new user name after you re-register following the weekend's games?

He could always use IDIOT...:lmao2:

[TunaFan33]

"HOF" coaches sometimes get old and tired. They're not what they used to be.

Look at your guy. He's one step away from being Lou Holtz.

I used to have a theory that anyone who gets near Daniel M. Snyder turns into a complete idiot. Great players went to Washington and all the sudden couldn't play anymore. Good coaches go there and all the sudden can't remember where they parked their car.

Gibbs went from being a "HOF" coach to Gomer Pyle.

In Gibbs' case at least, I don't think it's the Snyder curse. I think he's just a former great coach who knew what he was doing in the 1980s and seriously miscalculated the changes that took place in the league over the past 20 years.

Nobody knows how Wade Phillips will do. What we do know is that his schemes were working very well as recently as a year ago.

Talent wise, that '04 Skins was pretty, pretty darn good. They had the makings of a physical AFC team-but somehow, Gibbs wasn't prepared for all these "rule changes" et al that happened over a course of a dozen years.

And losing their blind-sided OT(Janson) was a significant blow to them.

[Rampage]

This cat is totally CLUELESS. He keeps stickin his foot in is mouth with each post. Unbelievable!!! Can you believe he's talking about draft picks and pressure, and he's a Foreskin fan. What do they know about dratf picks and pressure on the QB? NOTHING!!!!!
he's a joke. talks about philips yet his coach has gone soft just like parcells did. gibbs needs to go back to nascar

[Bleu Star]

"HOF" coaches sometimes get old and tired. They're not what they used to be.

Look at your guy. He's one step away from being Lou Holtz.

I used to have a theory that anyone who gets near Daniel M. Snyder turns into a complete idiot. Great players went to Washington and all the sudden couldn't play anymore. Good coaches go there and all the sudden can't remember where they parked their car.

Gibbs went from being a "HOF" coach to Gomer Pyle.

In Gibbs' case at least, I don't think it's the Snyder curse. I think he's just a former great coach who knew what he was doing in the 1980s and seriously miscalculated the changes that took place in the league over the past 20 years.

Nobody knows how Wade Phillips will do. What we do know is that his schemes were working very well as recently as a year ago.

:hammer:

[LaTunaNostra]

Nobody knows how Wade Phillips will do. What we do know is that his schemes were working very well as recently as a year ago.

and like it or not, in a significantly stronger conference!

[WR17]

In Gibbs' case at least, I don't think it's the Snyder curse. I think he's just a former great coach who knew what he was doing in the 1980s and seriously miscalculated the changes that took place in the league over the past 20 years.

Nobody knows how Wade Phillips will do. What we do know is that his schemes were working very well as recently as a year ago.

Shucks that Joe Gibbs. The guy who took over a team that was in pitts thanks to Steve Spurrier. Took them to the second round of the playoffs in his 2nd season but had to deal with a ton of injuries his third year.

Regarding your last statement, Phillips defense worked because of the amazing talent he had in the front 7 in San Diego. Something he doesn't even come close to having in Dallas. Along with the fact that a head coaches responsibility is more than X's and O's.

Keep eating the cheese for now. I'm sure Wade made the players eat it a lot at the cupcake of a training camp he ran.

Wade Phillips :lmao2:

[Mansta54]

Shucks that Joe Gibbs. The guy who took over a team that was in pitts thanks to Steve Spurrier. Took them to the second round of the playoffs in his 2nd season but had to deal with a ton of injuries his third year.

Regarding your last statement, Phillips defense worked because of the amazing talent he had in the front 7 in San Diego. Something he doesn't even come close to having in Dallas. Along with the fact that a head coaches responsibility is more than X's and O's.

Keep eating the cheese for now. I'm sure Wade made the players eat it a lot at the cupcake of a training camp he ran.

Wade Phillips :lmao2:

Maaan, you really are stupid. I see you're not going to be around here very long.. Move along!!!!

[Rampage]

Shucks that Joe Gibbs. The guy who took over a team that was in pitts thanks to Steve Spurrier. Took them to the second round of the playoffs in his 2nd season but had to deal with a ton of injuries his third year.

Regarding your last statement, Phillips defense worked because of the amazing talent he had in the front 7 in San Diego. Something he doesn't even come close to having in Dallas. Along with the fact that a head coaches responsibility is more than X's and O's.

Keep eating the cheese for now. I'm sure Wade made the players eat it a lot at the cupcake of a training camp he ran.

Wade Phillips :lmao2: you finished 6-10 and added a rookie at safety to a defense that got no pressure last year. you guys have a bigger problem than we do on defense.

[Mansta54]

you finished 6-10 and added a rookie at safety to a defense that got no pressure last year. you guys have a bigger problem than we do on defense.

They got problems on offense too. They just signed a OG from the Jets who's gonna walk onto their team 2 weeks before the opener and start. Not to mention they don't have a 2nd WR to speak of and their starting RB has done absolutely nothing all TC long...

[LaTunaNostra]

Shucks that Joe Gibbs. The guy who took over a team that was in pitts thanks to Steve Spurrier. Took them to the second round of the playoffs in his 2nd season but had to deal with a ton of injuries his third year.

Regarding your last statement, Phillips defense worked because of the amazing talent he had in the front 7 in San Diego. Something he doesn't even come close to having in Dallas. Along with the fact that a head coaches responsibility is more than X's and O's.

Keep eating the cheese for now. I'm sure Wade made the players eat it a lot at the cupcake of a training camp he ran.

Wade Phillips :lmao2:


Whatever happens this year in DC, just like last it can not be laid at Gibbs feet.

Gibbs essentially retired a year ago when he turned the offensive reigns over to Saunders. And of course, Williams runs the whole defensive show.

Gibbs retired just as much as Parcells did, only earlier - threw in the towel after 2 years, and Bill didn't choose to hang around and play well paid figurehead. Tuna would never relinquish control - wouldn't even let his coordinators do their thing. Gibbs, on the other hand, admitted today's football was beyond him, and apparently gladly took the useless exec role.

Go on all you want about Phillips. If he can't win quickly, you'll be saying his sucess in SD was due to Shottenheimer. And if he wins, he'll be a puppet pulled on one hand by Jerry, and one by Jason G.

This so-called 'dream-job' is hardly that.

The guy's got balls for even taking it. And the reason he DID take it, imo, is he knows their is talent here he can tweak very well...more talent, for that matter, than in any of the division rivals.

[MichaelWinicki]

That's not something to be proud of. Starting by default.

And if Newman can't go, you know Eli will go at him all game. He will get abused more by Plaxico than Furrey abused a healthy T-NEW.


Almost everyone in this league is "starting by default". Either the guy in front of him suddenly sucks, leaves via FA, gets hurt or retires.

As much as you would like to believe there isn't much in the way of "seamless" transition from one player to another. Generally speaking incumbents have a huge advantage and when a new guy gets a starters job it's usually due to one of the reasons I just gave.

[LaTunaNostra]

you finished 6-10 and added a rookie at safety to a defense that got no pressure last year. you guys have a bigger problem than we do on defense.

It's improvement by subtraction.

Getting rid of Archeleta supposedly will be good for at least three wins. ;)

[Rampage]

It's improvement by subtraction.

Getting rid of Archeleta supposedly will be good for at least three wins. ;)
:laugh2: :bow: "improvement by subtraction"=skins logic

[LaTunaNostra]

:laugh2: :bow: "improvement by subtraction"=skins logic

The Skins, as usual, win thier games in the offseason. if not with ridiculous contacts to hasbeens and trades of their draft picks, with other brilliant FO moves.

Three wins by "attrition". Another three wins at least will come off the re-signing of Cooley. What a masterful stroke of genius that was!

That right there puts them in the playoffs.

[Rampage]

The Skins, as usual, win thier games in the offseason. if not with ridiculous contacts to hasbeens and trades of their draft picks, with other brilliant FO moves.

Three wins by "attrition". Another three wins at least will come off the re-signing of Cooley. What a masterful stroke of genius that was!

That right there puts them in the playoffs.
:laugh2: you could probally have your own standup comedy act about the redskins with a few more facts

[Mansta54]

C'mon guys, stop making so much sense.. Yall ran the idiot away...

[Bob Sacamano]

That's not something to be proud of. Starting by default.

And if Newman can't go, you know Eli will go at him all game. He will get abused more by Plaxico than Furrey abused a healthy T-NEW.

by default, whatever, still doesn't change the fact that this 7th round pick is going to be our nickel corner, I don't call that a waste

[Bob Sacamano]

I love the spin being put on this. Cutting Glenn would have made sense if Newman and Henry were healthy. Newman is banged up and Henry has been banged up ever sincehe signed with Dallas.

well Henry is healthy now

Congrats, Jacques Reeves, a guy who wouldn't even be the #4 on a team with good corner depth, will most likely be getting extensive playing time and maybe even starting time this season.

Furthermore, your one injury one away from two low round draft picks being thrusted into the nickel packages.

we have a pass-rush, so our corners don't have to be all-world

[baj1dallas]

Ball is not even on the team.

I'd like to see the proof of how Glenn is STILL an upgrade over Reeves and Jones. He was probably an upgrade back in 1980 but it's been a long time since Glenn was an elite corner.

Playoff experience? Please! It's not like Glenn was playing on teams that were making the playoffs every year! Come'on! This Glenn argument is getting more ridiculous by the moment. Maybe some of you can get out your black arm-bands and wear them in memory of our beloved former nickel corner.

What have Reeves or Jones ever done? Neither has ever been the player Glenn is now, forget what he was.

[Mansta54]

What have Reeves or Jones ever done? Neither has ever been the player Glenn is now, forget what he was.

Neither has ever had the oppurtunity until now. I'll take Reeves size, speed, and youth over a limitted Glenn any day and I liked Glenn.

[iceberg]

What have Reeves or Jones ever done? Neither has ever been the player Glenn is now, forget what he was.

well it looks like we'll get to see if that is indeed the case 1st hand, huh? but since wade has a great reputation for building a good defense, i'll take him at his word that reeves or jones can do better than glenn.

regardless of how it upsets some fans.

[Vintage]

Good to see that you had nothing to say because you know what I said is right. Have fun trying to create "pressure" to save your putrid secondary. Phillips has half the talent in Dallas in comparison to what he worked with in San Diego.

You guys are in for a rude awakening. Replacing a HOF coach with a career retread doesn't mean playoffs.

Would you say Baltimore had a good defense last year?

How about Chicago?

How about San Diego?

Those three teams rely upon creating pressure to make their defenses work. We hired Wade to do the same thing. Whether or not it happens this year, yes, remains to be seen.

But what we do know, is your team, chose to address its secondary while not addressing the pass rush.

Odd that many of the elite defense have a great pass rush. Yet, the Skins don't. Guess Gibbs must "be ahead of the pack" on this one.

Spin that.

[WoodysGirl]

well Henry is healthy now



we have a pass-rush, so our corners don't have to be all-worldwon't believe that until I see it.

[MichaelWinicki]

What have Reeves or Jones ever done? Neither has ever been the player Glenn is now, forget what he was.

I ask you what player has done anything before they were given a chance to play on a regular basis? Come'on give me a break!

I got news for you most of the players that end up being starters on NFL teams aren't 1st round draft picks and don't have a long petigree of stardom. But one day the guy starting in front of them gets hurt, retires or leaves via FA and wha-la! We have a new starter-- a new starter without a track record.

I've got more news for you. Even in his prime Glenn wasn't considered a top-10 CB in the NFL. The larger, stronger Buffalo Bill WR's would consistently eat his lunch. And trust me at age 35 he hasn't improved any.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

won't believe that until I see it.

FWIW, we have seen Bradie James getting pressure on the QB in this scheme. He who hasnt sniffed the QB since his time at LSU.

[superpunk]

won't believe that until I see it.

WG...it was the scheme failing every december, only to suddenly be effective again the following fall...not the players. Don't you pay attention?

You must have been reading some other board for the past 6 months.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I ask you what player has done anything before they were given a chance to play on a regular basis? Come'on give me a break!

I got news for you most of the players that end up being starters on NFL teams aren't 1st round draft picks and don't have a long petigree of stardom. But one day the guy starting in front of them gets hurt, retires or leaves via FA and wha-la! We have a new starter-- a new starter without a track record.

I've got more news for you. Even in his prime Glenn wasn't considered a top-10 CB in the NFL. The larger, stronger Buffalo Bill WR's would consistently eat his lunch. And trust me at age 35 he hasn't improved any.

I think this really the issue. Outside of him reacting well to that comeback route Glenn has done little to nothing all off season. He was getting beat like a drum and made one decent play. Phillips ulimately decided that Reeves and Jones were better than Glenn at this point in there respective careers.

[theogt]

WG...it was the scheme failing every december, only to suddenly be effective again the following fall...not the players. Don't you pay attention?

You must have been reading some other board for the past 6 months.I'm pretty sure people were complaining about a lack of pressure early on in '05 and '06.

[superpunk]

I'm pretty sure people were complaining about a lack of pressure early on in '05 and '06.

But they had no point, except that they wanted the cat skinned differently. Which is really no point at all.

[WoodysGirl]

FWIW, we have seen Bradie James getting pressure on the QB in this scheme. He who hasnt sniffed the QB since his time at LSU.
Yep, we have...in preseason. Again, I'll just wait until I see it from more than the one or two players. It needs to be a bit more consistent.
WG...it was the scheme failing every december, only to suddenly be effective again the following fall...not the players. Don't you pay attention?

You must have been reading some other board for the past 6 months.
My bad. That darn skepticism tends to get in the way of my sometimes blind faith.

[theogt]

But they had no point, except that they wanted the cat skinned differently. Which is really no point at all.I'm not sure I understand. They were complaining that the cat was not being skinned.

[superpunk]

I'm not sure I understand. They were complaining that the cat was not being skinned.
In the metaphor, the cat is an elite-functioning defensive unit. Maybe that helps?

[theogt]

In the metaphor, the cat is an elite-functioning defensive unit. Maybe that helps?Well that cat certainly didn't get skinned last year. You can't take Parcells's scheme and accept only the good. The bad games toward the end were the result of the same scheme run in the early games. When people find your weaknesses and you don't change, the scheme doesn't work.

[Vintage]

Well that cat certainly didn't get skinned last year. You can't take Parcells's scheme and accept only the good. The bad games toward the end were the result of the same scheme run in the early games. When people find your weaknesses and you don't change, the scheme doesn't work.


Didn't Jax do that week one; dump off passes underneath to their backs and succeed in doing so?

[theogt]

Didn't Jax do that week one; dump off passes underneath to their backs and succeed in doing so?Teams periodically played off our weaknesses throughout the year. For some reason they didn't do it on a constant basis until New Orleans showed them that you can do it play after play after play after play and we wouldn't change.

[Bach]

If this year goes up in smoke... Jerry Jones should hire a freakin' GM!

Most of the last ten years have gone up in smoke and he hasn't hired a real GM. I doubt releasing Glenn and having him sign with the Jags will be the turning point for him.

[superpunk]

Well that cat certainly didn't get skinned last year. You can't take Parcells's scheme and accept only the good. The bad games toward the end were the result of the same scheme run in the early games. When people find your weaknesses and you don't change, the scheme doesn't work.
The same thing happened every year. The "scheme failed" every december...only to rise like a pheonix the following september when offensive coordinators around the league got amnesia.

You can skin the cat all sorts of different ways. If you don't get the point, go back and re-read the dialogue.

[theogt]

The same thing happened every year. The "scheme failed" every december...only to rise like a pheonix the following september when offensive coordinators around the league got amnesia.

You can skin the cat all sorts of different ways. If you don't get the point, go back and re-read the dialogue.We'll see what happens. But I can't agree that Parcells ever skinned the cat.

[superpunk]

We'll see what happens. But I can't agree that Parcells ever skinned the cat.

Niether can I.

Mike Zimmer was our defensive coordinator, you crazy kid.

[theogt]

Niether can I.

Mike Zimmer was our defensive coordinator, you crazy kid.Oh, such fond memories.

[Bob Sacamano]

I think theogt was trying to push that episode into the inner depths

[BlueStar22]

Glenn will be available again....

[burmafrd]

For those that are so sure that Glenn is done:

from Clarence Hill

"Glenn simply might have been considered a progress-stopper, but only in Dallas.

Detroit, St. Louis, Arizona, Tampa Bay, Baltimore, Houston and the New York Jets tried to sign Glenn before he decided to continue his career with the Jacksonville Jaguars on Monday."

[CrazyCowboy]

smart move by them folks.....

[eduncan22]

Folks...our Pass Defense was ranked 24th last year for several reasons...

Glenn was one of 'em.

Henry is another.

One down..one to go.

[DallasEast]

Folks...our Pass Defense was ranked 24th last year for several reasons...

Glenn was one of 'em.

Henry is another.

One down..one to go....and yet, you can't... seemingly... respond/answer the link in my sig. :) Things that make you go, "Hmm..."

[PullMyFinger]

Like Ronde Barber?

Or who was that tiny cb that played for the Cheifs? I think McMillan was his last name, that guy was a player.

[big dog cowboy]

Folks...our Pass Defense was ranked 24th last year for several reasons...

Glenn was one of 'em.

Henry is another.

One down..one to go.
:eyepoke:

[hermitkid]

won't believe that until I see it.

I wonder whether the 'we have the pass rush, we don't need corners' philosophy will play into the hands of teams like Washington that like to go max protect and have receivers that can hurt you on the outside and underneath.