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ajk23az
09-13-2007, 04:54 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AmOD6VPFcheJ9xeOGSU_oYk5nYcB?slug=ap-eagles-nflspying&prov=ap&type=lgns


Eagles try and recall anything fishy about Super Bowl loss to Patriots
By DAN GELSTON, AP Sports Writer
September 13, 2007

Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb walks off the field near the end of the second quarter of Super Bowl XXXIX against the New Engalnd Patriots in Jacksonville, Fla., in this Feb. 6. 2005 file photo.
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PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Sheldon Brown and the Eagles hoped a blitz would rattle Tom Brady.

One problem: Every time the Eagles rushed Brady in the Super Bowl, the Patriots nullified the defensive attack with screen passes. Lots of them. On almost every play defensive coordinator Jim Johnson called for a blitz, the Patriots used the short pass to confuse the Eagles.

After the Patriots beat the Eagles 24-21 in 2005 to win the Lombardi Trophy, Brown thought the Patriots beat them with nothing but sharp offensive playcalling. Now, he's not so sure.

With spying accusations leveled this week against the Patriots, some of the Eagles left from the NFC title team are wondering if New England used bootleg film to their advantage in the Super Bowl.

"Do I think about it? Mmm hmmm," said Brown, their starting cornerback. "It's crazy. I just don't know how far back it goes. Something's not right about that."

Pro Bowl safety Brian Dawkins found the accusations troublesome.

"Now there's always going to be questions about the situation," Dawkins said Thursday. "Was it great adjustments at halftime or what?"

Pittsburgh wide receiver Hines Ward said this week that he suspected the Patriots had some type of inside information on the Steelers before at least one of the teams' two AFC championship game matchups since the 2001 season. While Ward said the Patriots knew a lot of Pittsburgh's calls, none of the Eagles could offer any type of solid proof of any shenanigans.

"For me to think back two years ago about something they may or may not have done, it's not worth my time," running back Brian Westbrook said.

New England beat the New York Jets in last Sunday's season opener in which an on-field video camera allegedly focusing on Jets coaches was confiscated from a Patriots employee. The league confirmed that it is investigating whether coach Bill Belichick and the Patriots were responsible for taping the Jets' defensive coaches as they signaled to players on the field.

"I would like to think it's just one team doing it, but it doesn't shock me that it happened," Dawkins said.

Some Eagles said occasional signal-stealing is an accepted part of the game. But they believe what the Patriots are accused of doing crosses the football morality line because it threatens the integrity of the game.

"It's different if you're talking about recording it," Dawkins said. "What can you do if you try to signal a play in?"

Eagles coach Andy Reid steered away from questions about the alleged cheating other than to say he has no doubts New England's victory was legitimate.

Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb (5) leads his team off the field after breaking the huddle after warm-ups prior to Super Bowl XXXIX against the New England Patriots in Jacksonville, Fla., in this Feb. 6, 2005 file photo.
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"That's something Bill and the Patriots are working through," Reid said.

Brown said he noticed a difference in New England's playcalling in the second quarter. After the Patriots gained only 45 yards in the first quarter, they had 286 over the next three.

Brady hit running back Corey Dillon and gained 29 total yards on a pair of screens to open New England's first full drive of the second quarter. They didn't score on that drive, but did on four of the next five drives.

The Patriots went to the screen pass again on the decisive drive early in the fourth quarter, this time with Brady connecting with Kevin Faulk on two passes for 27 yards.

"I was like, 'Man, I never saw that many screens," Brown said.

Brown wonders if it was normal playcalling from a team good enough to win three Super Bowls in four seasons, a Patriots team that used a strong scouting report to gain a fair edge, or was somebody picking up the Eagles defensive calls from a sideline camera that deprived them of a fair shot?

"I think they should forfeit, man," said punt returner Reno Mahe, smiling. "We won the Super Bowl. I think we should get it. I'm going to go trade my NFC championship ring for a Super Bowl ring."

The headline over a picture of Belichick on the back page of Thursday's Philadelphia Daily News might have said it all: "Counterfeit RING: Spy Scandal Helps Explain Birds' Super Bowl Loss."

Hey, maybe the illicit tape would show once and for all if Donovan McNabb really did get sick in the huddle late in the game. Remember, that was Philadelphia's first excuse for losing.

McNabb -- who insisted the Eagles would never stoop to those kind of tactics -- was surprised to hear the allegations against the Patriots. But he said the suspicions might be overblown.

"One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."

That doesn't mean McNabb won't clear some space in his jewelry box. For a city that last saw a pro team win a championship nearly 25 years ago, the Eagles might accept a retroactive one.

"Maybe we'll get our ring back," said a chuckling McNabb. "Maybe we'll get the real one."

:trophy:

jwitten82
09-13-2007, 04:56 PM
The Egals still would have lost if the Patriots had cheated or not.

Big Dakota
09-13-2007, 04:59 PM
Not sure if they were using their "spy techniques" or not, but i watched Parcells on MNCD breakdown how the Colts did the same type thing to the Bears. Good teams take what the D gives them.

Clove
09-13-2007, 05:08 PM
As much as I hate philthy, they have an argument. As someone else posted in another thread, if they are willing to cheat in the first game against the sorry jets, imagine what they would do to win a super bowl.

The30YardSlant
09-13-2007, 05:09 PM
If it kept the Eagles from winning a championship, I don't have a problem with this :D

The30YardSlant
09-13-2007, 05:10 PM
The Egals still would have lost if the Patriots had cheated or not.

Indeed, destiny dictates this

Rampage
09-13-2007, 05:12 PM
if you're not cheating, you're not trying

Clove
09-13-2007, 05:15 PM
If it kept the Eagles from winning a championship, I don't have a problem with this :DGood point! :bow: :laugh2:

Mavs Man
09-13-2007, 05:18 PM
The only plausible explanation would be if the Pats slipped some OutOfShape juice into McNabb's chunky soup.

The30YardSlant
09-13-2007, 05:18 PM
The only plausible explanation would be if the Pats slipped some OutOfShape juice into McNabb's chunky soup.

Nah, McNabb just doesnt have a sack

Doomsday
09-13-2007, 05:20 PM
That shows just how bad a scandal like this is, you cant know for sure how long or how often the Pats have been doing this. You wouldnt be human if you didnt wonder and it definately taints all their Super Bowl victories in my opinion.

AtlCB
09-13-2007, 05:21 PM
As much as I hate philthy, they have an argument. As someone else posted in another thread, if they are willing to cheat in the first game against the sorry jets, imagine what they would do to win a super bowl.
Philly could go back and watch the film from that game and look for someone pointing a camera at their coaching staff. If he's spending a lot of time filming the coaches and worked for the Pats organization, they have a case. If not, it's sour grapes.

the kid 05
09-13-2007, 05:21 PM
if you're not cheating, you're not trying

thats what my football coach always told me lol

Doomsday
09-13-2007, 05:22 PM
Philly could go back and watch the film from that game and look for someone pointing a camera at their coaching staff. If he's spending a lot of time filming the coaches and worked for the Pats organization, they have a case. If not, it's sour grapes.

Whose to say that didnt have people scouting/taping various perspective opponents prior the Super Bowl matchup. How hard would it be to tape the signals then match the signals up with footage of the game to decipher their meaning.

AtlCB
09-13-2007, 05:25 PM
Whose to say that didnt have people scouting/taping various perspective opponents prior the Super Bowl matchup. How hard would it be to tape the signals then match the signals up with footage of the game to decipher their meaning.They should look at film from the previous games as well. If I were the Panther, I would look at this as well. I would think that if the Pats cheated in a SB, it most likely would be the one against the Panthers. They moved the ball at will against a very good Panthers defense.

ddh33
09-13-2007, 05:27 PM
You know, it's a legit question - especially when you are beaten by the supposed "perfect calls." Makes you wonder if it was really a perfect call or cheating?

Can't say I'm surprised the Pats are the team doing it though. The sense of entitlement up there is amazing. Their coach can stalk and harass, cheat, players take steriods, and on and on.

Sarge
09-13-2007, 05:27 PM
if you're not cheating, you're not trying

The NFL isn't NASCAR.

Yakuza Rich
09-13-2007, 05:30 PM
While I don't think the Pats should be forced to forfeit the Super Bowl, this article shows how the Pats getting caught doing this has put a dent in the integrity of the game.





YAKUZA

AtlCB
09-13-2007, 05:31 PM
The NFL isn't NASCAR.

If ya ain't rubbin', ya ain't racin'.

I feel dumber now for saying that.

The30YardSlant
09-13-2007, 05:35 PM
If ya ain't rubbin', ya ain't racin'.

I feel dumber now for saying that.

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AtlCB
09-13-2007, 05:36 PM
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OMG!!!!!! :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Rampage
09-13-2007, 05:37 PM
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:laugh2: thanks, im gonna use that

5Stars
09-13-2007, 05:37 PM
What a can of worms this is going to turn out to be!

From now on, the eagle fans are going to say that they lost the SB because of this! What about the clock management by the eagles, huh, in the last few minutes? What about McPuke throwing up everywhere, huh? What about McI'm Tired Now not being able to overcome the last few minutes, huh?

Is all that because of a video tape?

OK, what about the eagles winning the NFC-E for all these years? Did they cheat? Maybe, huh?

How about the Cowboys NOT winning alot recently...are they honest and not cheating?

:rolleyes:

Regardless...this is what it is!


:trophy:

Bring it...

Get it...

Get some...


:laugh2:

FuzzyLumpkins
09-13-2007, 05:41 PM
Just the fact that them doing what they have been doing raises questions about a championship is enough to make me want to suspend the whole damn team for a year.

firehawk350
09-13-2007, 05:42 PM
What a can of worms this is going to turn out to be!

From now on, the eagle fans are going to say that they lost the SB because of this! What about the clock management by the eagles, huh, in the last few minutes? What about McPuke throwing up everywhere, huh? What about McI'm Tired Now not being able to overcome the last few minutes, huh?

Is all that because of a video tape?

OK, what about the eagles winning the NFC-E for all these years? Did they cheat? Maybe, huh?

How about the Cowboys NOT winning alot recently...are they honest and not cheating?

:rolleyes:

Regardless...this is what it is!


:trophy:

Bring it...

Get it...

Get some...


:laugh2:
In a bizarre twist of fate, I agree 5stars. They had the opportunity but McNabb threw it all (up) away.

5Stars
09-13-2007, 05:43 PM
Just the fact that them doing what they have been doing raises questions about a championship is enough to make me want to suspend the whole damn team for a year.


And we thought Goodell is bad? :confused:

:laugh2: Fuzzy...

5Stars
09-13-2007, 05:46 PM
In a bizarre twist of fate, I agree 5stars. They had the opportunity but McNabb threw it all (up) away.


In a bizarre twist of fate, I say get lost, loser!

j/k


But, really...they had a chance to win the game at the end, and the eagles did not execute, period! They were in it till the end, but Reid and McFatso blew it! There was even reports that McPuke could not even call a play in the huddle and someone else had to do it!

Don't blame that on a video tape...


:cool:

cleverusername
09-13-2007, 05:51 PM
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:lmao2:

I can't wait to tell my nascar loving friends!

cleverusername
09-13-2007, 05:52 PM
:suxskins:In a bizarre twist of fate, I agree 5stars. They had the opportunity but McNabb threw it all (up) away.:suxskins:

:lmao2:

This thread is a riot.

sago1
09-13-2007, 05:52 PM
Look. I think we all accept that some cheating goes on in ever sport. That's why so many teams have closed practices so any plays they instituting can't be seen by anybody else nor discussed by any sports writer either -- particulalry a visiting one from another city.

We all see/hear about teams trying to steal hand signals from across the field and that's why some coaches cover their mouth when talking into their mikes or hold up a paper or towell in front when discussing next plays into their mikes or to their QBs. And we've all seen every team look at stills of formations other teams have employed on the field. And there also a lot of concern when a player is cut so that his handbook doesn't fall into another team's hands. Also wouldn't be surprised if some of the people in the stands could be attempting to videotape some of the things the coaches are doing on the bench.

However, this thing appears to be more then that. It was important enough that the NFL FO sent out a letter to all teams reinforcing that videotaping b any team on the field is not allowed. It is also not allowed to take videotaping equipment into the lockerrooms during half time. I did read where in one instance (could have been in a Boston paper) that the Pats video guy was seen talking into a mike while he was videotaping. Think he was standing behind the Jets bench. Maybe I'll go back and check if it was the Jets' or another team. I just know I read that at least 3 teams have reported incidents re the Pats and a 4th, the Lions, were checking out their film.

It's hard to believe (if the report is true that the NFL finds enough evidence to believe Pats breaking the rules) that Pats only did this against the Jets on Sunday and against GB last year. I can see the Jets cause they play each other twice a year but while GB--a team they wouldn't play that much. You can't escape the idea they've been doing it to a lot of teams and again that begs the question. Why would the Pats being doing this if this didn't gain an advantage. Also what's happening about the incident where it reported Pats somehow doing something about the radio frequencies during the Jets game. Have the Pat found a way to either pick up what is being said?

Will be interesting to see what action Goodell takes? Losing a 3rd round pick and that's all will cause a big stink particularly when we look at the punishment meted out to Wade Wilson -- 5 game suspension and $100,000 fine. That's huge.

REDVOLUTION
09-13-2007, 05:59 PM
Whats hilarious about this thread is.....

the only other team to win 3 in 4... now has it tarnished - go Eagles keep the story alive :D

and...

The Eagles didnt get the win regardless.... they take each other through the ringer over and over....

it'll get exhausting...

cleverusername
09-13-2007, 05:59 PM
Look. I think we all accept that some cheating goes on in ever sport. That's why so many teams have closed practices so any plays they instituting can't be seen by anybody else nor discussed by any sports writer either -- particulalry a visiting one from another city.

We all see/hear about teams trying to steal hand signals from across the field and that's why some coaches cover their mouth when talking into their mikes or hold up a paper or towell in front when discussing next plays into their mikes or to their QBs. And we've all seen every team look at stills of formations other teams have employed on the field. And there also a lot of concern when a player is cut so that his handbook doesn't fall into another team's hands. Also wouldn't be surprised if some of the people in the stands could be attempting to videotape some of the things the coaches are doing on the bench.

However, this thing appears to be more then that. It was important enough that the NFL FO sent out a letter to all teams reinforcing that videotaping b any team on the field is not allowed. It is also not allowed to take videotaping equipment into the lockerrooms during half time. I did read where in one instance (could have been in a Boston paper) that the Pats video guy was seen talking into a mike while he was videotaping. Think he was standing behind the Jets bench. Maybe I'll go back and check if it was the Jets' or another team. I just know I read that at least 3 teams have reported incidents re the Pats and a 4th, the Lions, were checking out their film.

It's hard to believe (if the report is true that the NFL finds enough evidence to believe Pats breaking the rules) that Pats only did this against the Jets on Sunday and against GB last year. I can see the Jets cause they play each other twice a year but while GB--a team they wouldn't play that much. You can't escape the idea they've been doing it to a lot of teams and again that begs the question. Why would the Pats being doing this if this didn't gain an advantage. Also what's happening about the incident where it reported Pats somehow doing something about the radio frequencies during the Jets game. Have the Pat found a way to either pick up what is being said?

Will be interesting to see what action Goodell takes? Losing a 3rd round pick and that's all will cause a big stink particularly when we look at the punishment meted out to Wade Wilson -- 5 game suspension and $100,000 fine. That's huge.


Good question.

To find the frequency would not be hard at all, given the right equipment.

roger white
09-13-2007, 06:00 PM
eagles would never stoop that low? true,somebody in the organization would have to figure out how to operate a camcorder.

5Stars
09-13-2007, 06:04 PM
eagles would never stoop that low? true,somebody in the organization would have to figure out how to operate a camcorder.


:bow: :lmao2: :laugh2: :lmao2: :laugh2:

Hey...when you boo Santa...this is what you get!

No CamCorder for you!!

DallasEast
09-13-2007, 06:18 PM
http://enrico.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/donovanandtombrady0405.jpg

Brady: "...haha! You know that video of you puking during the Super Bowl that's floating around the internet?"

McNabb: "Yeah Tom! I've seen it!"

Brady: "Well guess who taped it??? Hahahaha!"

BrAinPaiNt
09-13-2007, 06:22 PM
Word is someone from the patriots staff dressed up in eagles colors, made their way to the eagles sidelines and slipped some ipecac into McNabbs gatorade.:D

5Stars
09-13-2007, 06:38 PM
Word is someone from the patriots staff dressed up in eagles colors, made their way to the eagles sidelines and slipped some ipecac into McNabbs gatorade.:D


And all this time I thought it was his momma feeding him some of that Chunky Stuff...:bang2:

What do we say about just going ahead and give the eagles one of the Cowboy's Lombardi's so we can just get them out of the way!! They are irrelevent...

There are bigger fish to fry...

Aikbach
09-13-2007, 06:57 PM
Super Bowls XXXIX XL XLI have got to go down as three of the most boring nad least inspiring contests I have ever witnessed in the sport, they weren't even blowouts, just sloppy and pathetic.

Tex
09-13-2007, 07:45 PM
That shows just how bad a scandal like this is, you cant know for sure how long or how often the Pats have been doing this. You wouldnt be human if you didnt wonder and it definately taints all their Super Bowl victories in my opinion.

No we don't know exactly how long but.... Mangini left the Pats staff to be the Jets Coach last year. So if he knew as has been alledged... Then they were doing at least two years before this year. Maybe longer.

Tex

TunaFan33
09-14-2007, 12:47 AM
FWIW-the major weakness in this Eagles D is just that-they over-pursue.(which is why they're vulnerable against the run) The Pats did exactly that by opening up with screen passes in that 2nd qtr. Since then, this has all but set a blueprint how to exploit their D.

I remember in a Mon Nighter when the Eagles played Carolina, the Panthers were gashing them with the screen pass and to some extent, the run-but for some reason, they just got away from it-no wonder why Dan Henning got fired when all was said and done.