McNabb-"Black QBs get criticized more than White QBs"

[TunaFan33]

Surprised this wasn't posted today-he said this in an interview with Bryant Gumbel.

[amuze]

Surprised this wasn't posted today-he said this in an interview with Bryant Gumbel.

Boo-hoo. Way to use the race issue as an excuse. Bottom line is his record is 1-6 in last 7 games. If he performed and won games, he would not be making statements like that.

[lzppjb]

He's racist.

[tunahelper]

What a whining weak minded fool.

[Rampage]

:laugh2: he's on the downfall and he knows it. keep them excuses coming mcpuke

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah cause guys like Grossman, Carr, Delhomme, Boller, Eli, Smith, Pennington, and Rothlisberger ar enever ciriticized and guys like him are never given a free pass for being woefully inaccurate for the last several years.

I cant stand McNabb and I can understand why TO would react like he did. Take some accountability Donovan.

[Paniolo22]

I think he mistook "black" for "crappy".

[JamaicaRector85]

Drew Bledsoe was black?

[Sarge]

Drew Bledsoe was black?

I'll look into this and get back to you.

[adbutcher]

Surprised this wasn't posted today-he said this in an interview with Bryant Gumbel.

Do you have a link, some corroborating evidence?

[sago1]

I sure can understand why TO & McNabb started having problems. Both are basket cases who need to be constantly shown that they are loved, appreciated and handled like TNT (and I don't mean Terrell & Terry). Fortunately TO is a great WR who can be nurtured by:

1. a good owner-GM whose hands-on,
2. a coach who treats TO like family but with a firm hand,
3. an OC whose re-instated a timing-based offense which features TO replacing Irvin
4. and Romo whose mobilie, accurate, moxie & smart & understands how to work with TO. Just as important, Romo isn't a basket case. Thank God.

[Doomsday101]

Surprised this wasn't posted today-he said this in an interview with Bryant Gumbel.

Philly fans are tough on their teams and QB's it does not matter the color of your skin. These folks will boo Santa Clause they sure as hell will boo McNabb and Kolb as well if he fails.

[WV Cowboy]

Man up and own it McNabb!

Quit blaming others.

Quit blaming the coaches, the O-line, receivers, the front office, Garcia or T.O., .. quit blaming your mamma's "Chunky Soup"

Take responsibility, you are the problem, .. do something about it!

[Rackat]

Drew Bledsoe was black?
You're thinking of Vinny "in-da-hood" Testeverde.

[Doomsday101]

You're thinking of Vinny "in-da-hood" Testeverde.

Heck I have heard Dallas fans boo the likes of Aikman, White and Meredith. Don was getting so much heat he ended up hanging them up.

[Ren]

McNabb is well and truly pityfull, how long until he gets "injured" again to avoid having to put his diminishing skills on display?

[Rackat]

McNabb is well and truly pityfull, how long until he gets "injured" again to avoid having to put his diminishing skills on display?
Week 9.

[Cajuncowboy]

Maybe Rush Limbaugh was right!

That's right, I went there. :D

[WoodysGirl]

Do you have a link, some corroborating evidence?Don't know if there's a vid attached to this page. If it is, I can't get it to play on my 'puter, so I don't know what he said. But this episode was just aired.

http://www.hbo.com/realsports/stories/2007/episode.126.s1.html

[Chocolate Lab]

Imagine when Kolb takes his job. :eek:

[Big Dakota]

As a minority, i REALLY get tired of this bull crap.

[WoodysGirl]

Not to defend McNabb, but I'd really like to hear what he said in the context of the interview and not just speak on a one-liner posted on the 'net. Then I'll prolly have more informed opinion about it.

[TheSkaven]

For those of you looking for a link, you can check out this blog:

http://blogs.phillyburbs.com/blog.php?p=18229&cat=204

The show will air tonight on HBO at 10PM.

[DallasEast]

As a minority, i REALLY get tired of this bull crap.As a black man, who was immensely proud of Warren Moon entering the Pro Football Hall of Fame along side Troy Aikman, I am sick and tired of McNabb's public displays of weakness. A number of black quarterbacks worked hard and silently to give him the opportunity of leading a franchise to four NFC championship games and a Super Bowl appearance. How does he express his gratitude?

Whining.

While his accomplishments are inspiring future young black quarterbacks looking up to him right now, his whining isn't a good example for them to follow. He needs to get a grip. Maybe what's needed is a can of Campbell's Chunky Soup shoved up his

[CrazyCowboy]

Drew Bledsoe was black?

:bang2: :bow:

[SportsAnalyzer]

Surprised this wasn't posted today-he said this in an interview with Bryant Gumbel.


I think there is some truth to that, black quarterbacks are expected to be VERY GOOD. You really can't be a AVERAGE BLACK QB because it's just not accepted. That's the way it's always been. QB's like Doug Williams, Byron Leftwich, and Akeli Smith were CUT because they didn't live up to that expectation that most organizations have for black quarterbacks. Blacks quarterbacks are expected to be mobile and if a white QB is mobile that's considered a bonus. Sad but true

[DallasEast]

I think there is some truth to that, black quarterbacks are expected to be VERY GOOD.ALL National Football League starting quarterbacks are expected to be very good.

You really can't be a AVERAGE BLACK QB because it's just not accepted. That's the way it's always been. QB's like Doug Williams, Byron Leftwich, and Akeli Smith were CUT because they didn't live up to that expectation that most organizations have for black quarterbacks. Blacks quarterbacks are expected to be mobile and if a white QB is mobile that's considered a bonus. Sad but true
:banghead::banghead: :banghead:

And how Doug Williams ended up in that comment, I'll never know.

[Doomsday101]

I think there is some truth to that, black quarterbacks are expected to be VERY GOOD. You really can't be a AVERAGE BLACK QB because it's just not accepted. That's the way it's always been. QB's like Doug Williams, Byron Leftwich, and Akeli Smith were CUT because they didn't live up to that expectation that most organizations have for black quarterbacks. Blacks quarterbacks are expected to be mobile and if a white QB is mobile that's considered a bonus. Sad but true

And so are white QB's if your not winning and producing fans will boo you and the media will question you. Troy Aikman won 3 SB rings yet he was booed towards the end of his career. This crud about black QB's is a cop out fans don't care about the color they care about the production and these Philly fans sang the praise of McNabb bought his jersey the media loved him but when you start playing bad you will feel the heat no matter who you are or what color you are.

[WV Cowboy]

Why are we still preceding "QB" with a color ?

He is 1-6 in his past 7 games, .. expect to be booed and have your performance questioned and disected.

Like Charles said, "That's just the way it is."

[SportsAnalyzer]

Well explain to me why these white QB's are still employed in the NFL

Trent Green
David Carr
Eli Manning
Joey Harrington
Rex Grossman
Chad Pennington
Kyle Boller

[DallasCowpoke]

Surprised this wasn't posted today-he said this in an interview with Bryant Gumbel.

Wasn't that from an interview he did w/ Gumball 3-4 years ago, when all the mess between him and Owens was on the front-burner?

[Cajuncowboy]

As a minority, i REALLY get tired of this bull crap.

As a member of the human race, so am I. Color don't mean a darn to me and it shouldn't to anyone. Those that it does, need an education.

[SportsAnalyzer]

Why are we still preceding "QB" with a color ?

He is 1-6 in his past 7 games, .. expect to be booed and have your performance questioned and disected.

Like Charles said, "That's just the way it is."


Like Rush Limbaugh pointed out, It's the truth. I'm not making a big deal about it but from watching the NFL for 20 years you are able to see that's the case.

[zrinkill]

I was hoping the 2 incredible African American coaches leading their teams to the Superbowl last year would stop this nonsense.

Yet when McNabb starts losing and getting booed the first thing he does is play the "Race card"

He is an embarrassment.

[Doomsday101]

Well explain to me why these white QB's are still employed in the NFL

Trent Green
David Carr
Eli Manning
Joey Harrington
Rex Grossman
Chad Pennington
Kyle Boller

So is McNabb, So is McNair.
Eli is still a young QB that NY has invested big money in they have to ride with him
Harrington came to Alt as a backup and only took over because of Vick and who is Alt talking to right now? You got it Leftwich (Black)
Rex is catching all kind of hell in Chicago with fans wanting him replaced but Lovie Smith is staying with him (Black coach)

So please stop the BS and the whinning about Black QB, you produce and the fans will love you. You fail and they will be all over you no matter who you are.

[DallasEast]

Well explain to me why these white QB's are still employed in the NFL

Trent Green
David Carr
Eli Manning
Joey Harrington
Rex Grossman
Chad Pennington
Kyle Boller
You want to list some comparisons of unemployed black quarterbacks to that list?

[wileedog]

Well explain to me why these white QB's are still employed in the NFL

Trent Green
David Carr
Eli Manning
Joey Harrington
Rex Grossman
Chad Pennington
Kyle Boller

Because 6 of them were 1st round draft picks and Trent Green has had some extremely good years in KC not that long ago.

And why is Eli even on that list? He just lit us up 2 weeks ago.

[zrinkill]

And how Doug Williams ended up in that comment, I'll never know.

If McNabb thinks he has to go through anything like Doug Williams did ..... he is an idiot.

[SkinsandTerps]

Dumb*** McNabb.

But this thread looks to be an interesting one. I will stay tuned.

[DallasEast]

If McNabb thinks he has to go through anything like Doug Williams did ..... he is an idiot.
:hammer:

[AtlCB]

I'll look into this and get back to you.

Can you check to see if Rex Grossman is black? I can't think of any QB who gets criticized as much as Grossman.

[DallasEast]

Dumb*** McNabb.

But this thread looks to be an interesting one. I will stay tuned.You may wish to rethink that. I've got a got feeling your quarterback's gonna get thrown into this nonsense soon enough.

[Boyzmamacita]

Face it everybody, McNabb hasn't been the same since TO left him. That's the truth.

[ConcordCowboy]

If you suck you suck...and you're going to get called on it by people...black or white.

God I'm so sick of this race card thing.

[AsthmaField]

Dumb*** McNabb.

But this thread looks to be an interesting one. I will stay tuned.

Congrats on last night. You guys looked pretty good on D and Campbell did enough to get the W for you.

Campbell still looks a little scary on some of the intermediate stuff, but if he continues to improve, he just might be able to take that team somewhere.

I do think the Eagles are definately on the downswing, but still a good win for you guys.

You better pray for no more injuries on the OL though.

[dbair1967]

Surprised this wasn't posted today-he said this in an interview with Bryant Gumbel.

McSoup should listen to last nights coverage...the excuses for his sorry play were non stop

David

[DallasEast]

Face it everybody, McNabb hasn't been the same since TO left him. That's the truth.Owens was the best wide receiver he has ever played with, but McNabb has gotten older and his recovery from injuries have also played a significant part in his decline.

[SportsAnalyzer]

You want to list some comparisons of unemployed black quarterbacks to that list?


well it's not that many black QB's in the league. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that's all. when you are black, expectations are HIGHER. When you are a white QB mobility is not a requirement only a bonus-lol Everyone knows that is the truth.

[Kilyin]

Yeah Campbell looked okay, except for missing Santana Moss on a long completion when there was nobody within 10 yards of him.

[Kilyin]

well it's not that many black QB's in the league. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that's all. when you are black, expectations are HIGHER. When you are a white QB mobility is not a requirement only a bonus-lol Everyone knows that is the truth.

That's your opinion, not a fact. It's a pretty racist opinion, too.

[onetrickpony]

I think he mistook "black" for "crappy".

:laugh2: :bow:

[Big Dakota]

As a member of the human race, so am I. Color don't mean a darn to me and it shouldn't to anyone. Those that it does, need an education.


Look, i'm a 76ers fan since i'm 7 and i've seen the way that city treats it's team's players. They boo'd Steve Carlton and Mike Schmidt. You ever see how they treat smokin Joe Fraiser? He's a GOD in Philly. Why? Cause he's a champion with heart. DM knows it's about choking and not race, but he choses to play that card anyway. I'll admit in some circles black QBs get a bad rap, but only guys that persevere and prove that rap wrong are worthy IMHO. Jackie Robinson didn't sit around crying about things.

[dbair1967]

If you suck you suck...and you're going to get called on it by people...black or white.

God I'm so sick of this race card thing.

:hammer:

David

[DallasEast]

well it's not that many black QB's in the league. Newsflash: If they're "unemployed", they're not IN the league. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that's all. when you are black, expectations are HIGHER.If you get to four NFC championship games, higher expectations will be placed on you. If you get to the Super Bowl, higher expectations will be placed on you. It's no different than what any other quarterback in McNabb's position would be faced with. Weak point in McNabb's case, which is what this thread is really about.When you are a white QB mobility is not a requirement only a bonus-lol Everyone knows that is the truth.Are you Kartr?

[SkinsandTerps]

You may wish to rethink that. I've got a got feeling your quarterback's gonna get thrown into this nonsense soon enough.

Campbell doesn't have that type of ego.

Whether people are overly critical of him or not, he doesn't feed into it.

[Doomsday101]

well it's not that many black QB's in the league. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that's all. when you are black, expectations are HIGHER. When you are a white QB mobility is not a requirement only a bonus-lol Everyone knows that is the truth.

No that is not true it is about production it seems you’re the only with the stereo typing of QB's. Leftwich was not mobile and Jacksonville stuck with him for a good while before handing the job over to Garrard. Coaches are not going to put their job at risk over something as silly as color they are going to play guys who they feel will give them the best chance to win.

[AsthmaField]

well it's not that many black QB's in the league. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that's all. when you are black, expectations are HIGHER. When you are a white QB mobility is not a requirement only a bonus-lol Everyone knows that is the truth.


Nice goin' guy...

http://www.joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/PIX/FR/can_of_worms.jpg


:rolleyes:

[DallasEast]

Campbell doesn't have that type of ego.

Whether people are overly critical of him or not, he doesn't feed into it.Irrelevant. One or two posters are trying to de-evolve the issue of ego to something it really isn't.

[Big Dakota]

Nice goin' guy...

http://www.joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/PIX/FR/can_of_worms.jpg


:rolleyes:


:laugh2:

[SkinsandTerps]

Congrats on last night. You guys looked pretty good on D and Campbell did enough to get the W for you.

Campbell still looks a little scary on some of the intermediate stuff, but if he continues to improve, he just might be able to take that team somewhere.

I do think the Eagles are definately on the downswing, but still a good win for you guys.

You better pray for no more injuries on the OL though.

Thank you sir. He certainly makes some errant throws from time to time, but he is growing and making less mistakes than previously.

well it's not that many black QB's in the league. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that's all. when you are black, expectations are HIGHER. When you are a white QB mobility is not a requirement only a bonus-lol Everyone knows that is the truth.

I really can't believe this is your honest opinion.

You don't think Eli Manning is held to a higher standard ?
Matt Leinart ?
Etc., I hope you are kidding.

[DallasEast]

I really can't believe this is your honest opinion.

You don't think Eli Manning is held to a higher standard ?
Matt Leinart ?
Etc., I hope you are kidding.
He's not. That's the point.

[Doomsday]

McNabb is and always will be a front runner. When things go his way hes on top the world, the minute things start to go against him he folds.

[DallasCowpoke]

I'm STILL waiting to see WHERE and WHEN McNabb made this comment?

[SkinsandTerps]

Irrelevant. One or two posters are trying to de-evolve the issue of ego to something it really isn't.

Sad but true, I suppose.

95% of the criticism, I have read about Campbell (even from the media and Cowboys fans), can be attributed to youth (He only started his 9th game last night). The other 5% is just blind hatred which I am ok with too.

Romo criticism is about the same. Otherwise both guys are primarily considered young, up and coming QB's with the magic word...Potential.

[superpunk]

I'm STILL waiting to see WHERE and WHEN McNabb made this comment?

They're on a roll. Don't stop them now.

[miamicowboy21]

McNabb is and always will be a front runner. When things go his way hes on top the world, the minute things start to go against him he folds.

That's what they're saying on WIP right now. When everything is going great he's jolly, when the team gets down he's shows no moxie. I can't wait to hear the punk eskin talk his way out of this. He guranteed a victory last night. He also said philty would win 12 games. Cowboy fans are going to flood the phonelines today just to rub it in. This is going to be a great listen this afternoon.

[Doomsday101]

Sad but true, I suppose.

95% of the criticism, I have read about Campbell (even from the media and Cowboys fans), can be attributed to youth (He only started his 9th game last night). The other 5% is just blind hatred which I am ok with too.

Romo criticism is about the same. Otherwise both guys are primarily considered young, up and coming QB's with the magic word...Potential.

I agree. There is no telling how Campbell will do down the line. I think he has shown flashes of being a good QB but still has a lot of work to do. In the meantime Washington is 2-0 and that helps buy Campbell more time to develop without the fans coming down to hard.

[Big Dakota]

They're on a roll. Don't stop them now.


This train's NEVER late.

[AtlCB]

Well explain to me why these white QB's are still employed in the NFL

Trent GreenHe was better than Harrington and Culpepper. He's really old, but the Phins felt he was the best option available at the time.
David CarrHe's a quality backup quarterback.
Eli ManningHe has a 97.5 QB rating so far this season.
Joey HarringtonHe can be a decent backup, but I think he stinks as a starter. Atlanta is talking to Byron Leftwich, so his days as a starter may be over soon.
Rex GrossmanYou'll have to ask Lovie Smith why he hasn't been benched. He's horrible.
Chad PenningtonHe has injury concerns every year, but he is a very good QB when healty. He's only thrown 21 passes, but he has a 130.5 QB rating playing against a very good Patriots defense.
Kyle BollerBoller is a really bad example. The Ravens invested a #1 draft pick in him and still went out and got McNair in free agency to be the starter. Boller is still a very good backup QB.

If black quarterbacks are held to a higher standard, can you explain why Tavaris Jackson is still starting in Minnesota with Kelly Holcomb also on the roster? Could it be that the coaching staff believes Jackson will eventually be a good starting QB and are more concerned with winning than the race of the quarterbacks?

[Deep_Freeze]

I think alot are missing the point. When Vince Young breaks out the pocket, he is criticized for not staying in the pocket and going to a check down. Totally ignoring the impact his feet have on the defense.

Now, is this a complaint about mobile QBs or black QBs, well it depends on what helps you sleep at night. Been said here, many times, how horrible a QB Vick was, yet he had won ballgames sometimes with his feet alone. But, he is condemned for passing percentages and such. Too much is put on "classic" QB numbers, and not their impact in the game, as is done with Vince right now.

I do think in McNabb's case, he is using it as an excuse that doesn't fit him right now. In the past, McNabb was criticized also for leaving the pocket, so he made himself into a pocket passer. But in general, since a larger percentage of black QBs are scramblers (for every Steve Young, you have Vince, Vick, Randall....), they do get criticized for it more, whether it is a race issue or not.

[Hoov]

That's what they're saying on WIP right now. When everything is going great he's jolly, when the team gets down he's shows no moxie. I can't wait to hear the punk eskin talk his way out of this. He guranteed a victory last night. He also said philty would win 12 games. Cowboy fans are going to flood the phonelines today just to rub it in. This is going to be a great listen this afternoon.

No, he Pouts when things are going bad. The whole eagles team was looking deflated at halftime heading into the locker room, there was no one tyring to rally the troops.

Strange statistic - the eagles are now 1-9 in games where McNabb is pouting by halftime :p: :p:

[cobra]

Danny WHITE was booed.

I think that disproves his thesis.

[Doomsday101]

I think alot are missing the point. When Vince Young breaks out the pocket, he is criticized for not staying in the pocket and going to a check down. Totally ignoring the impact his feet have on the defense.

Now, is this a complaint about mobile QBs or black QBs, well it depends on what helps you sleep at night. Been said here, many times, how horrible a QB Vick was, yet he had won ballgames sometimes with his feet alone. But, he is condemned for passing percentages and such. Too much is put on "classic" QB numbers, and not their impact in the game, as is done with Vince right now.

I do think in McNabb's case, he is using it as an excuse that doesn't fit him right now. In the past, McNabb was criticized also for leaving the pocket, so he made himself into a pocket passer. But in general, since a larger percentage of black QBs are scramblers (for every Steve Young, you have Vince, Vick, Randall....), they do get criticized for it more, whether it is a race issue or not.

NFL QB's are expected to get the balls to their weapons and use running as a last resort. For any young QB they tend to rely on their athletic ability when they feel things are breaking down but many times if they hang in there a bit long they allow the WR to get past the coverage (that is what Dallas is working with on Romo) Young was that way as was Roger Stauback but as they develop and have a better understanding the game slows down in their eyes and they stay in the pocket a bit longer to make the throw. They still have mobility when things break down and that is a great asset for any QB but they are expected to get players around them involved.

[Hoov]

I think alot are missing the point. When Vince Young breaks out the pocket, he is criticized for not staying in the pocket and going to a check down. Totally ignoring the impact his feet have on the defense.

Now, is this a complaint about mobile QBs or black QBs, well it depends on what helps you sleep at night. Been said here, many times, how horrible a QB Vick was, yet he had won ballgames sometimes with his feet alone. But, he is condemned for passing percentages and such. Too much is put on "classic" QB numbers, and not their impact in the game, as is done with Vince right now.

I do think in McNabb's case, he is using it as an excuse that doesn't fit him right now. In the past, McNabb was criticized also for leaving the pocket, so he made himself into a pocket passer. But in general, since a larger percentage of black QBs are scramblers (for every Steve Young, you have Vince, Vick, Randall....), they do get criticized for it more, whether it is a race issue or not.QB's scrambling for first downs is fine, but history shows you cant make a career out of it. You also have to make the throws. Vick is criticized for being an awful passer and he is. Now Randall made some great plays running and some great plays throwing, i would have never suggested that he be a pocket passer. Vince, is intresting player, i'll take the wait and see aproach with him.

[AtlCB]

I think alot are missing the point. When Vince Young breaks out the pocket, he is criticized for not staying in the pocket and going to a check down. Totally ignoring the impact his feet have on the defense.

Now, is this a complaint about mobile QBs or black QBs, well it depends on what helps you sleep at night. Been said here, many times, how horrible a QB Vick was, yet he had won ballgames sometimes with his feet alone. But, he is condemned for passing percentages and such. Too much is put on "classic" QB numbers, and not their impact in the game, as is done with Vince right now.

I do think in McNabb's case, he is using it as an excuse that doesn't fit him right now. In the past, McNabb was criticized also for leaving the pocket, so he made himself into a pocket passer. But in general, since a larger percentage of black QBs are scramblers (for every Steve Young, you have Vince, Vick, Randall....), they do get criticized for it more, whether it is a race issue or not.

The problem with Vick is that the better teams had the players to take away his running lanes and force him to stay in the pocket. Vick was rarely able to beat these teams from the pocket, and these teams knew it. He was (like McNabb) hampered by the fact that his receivers were never that good, but you still expect more from a first overall draft choice. Vick did have some great skill though. He had one of the best deep balls while throwing on the run. Many people just believe that he could have been one of the best ever if he developed the skill of passing from the pocket.

[Hostile]

In HS I played RB and LB. At one time I was on a team and we had a Black QB. I got approached by a coach asking me to play QB so they could move him to RB. I was perplexed because there was no way on this earth I was as good a QB as he was, though he was probably capable of being as good a RB as I was. It's not that I couldn't play QB. He was better.

I asked this coach why and his answer was so stupid I wanted to punch him. I am dead serious about this answer.

"It's important to have a Black RB because the football is brown and it is easier to be disguised in their arms and possibly confuse the defense for a split second."

I kid you not.

Now admittedly that was the late 70's and early 80's era and much has happened since then that is positive. But it is important that we never forget that these ideas have been out there.

Having said that, I think Donovan is out of line with this. Every QB gets scrutiny. I do not believe in this day and age that Black QBs are more scrutinized than White QBs or our Hispanic QB. I do think how much scrutiny a QB depends upon the city they play in. Newsflash Donovan, you play in Philadelphia. They are always angry little pessimists there and your only salvation is to play well. When you stink it up, you're going to get lambasted. That's a fact of life.

Tony Romo plays in the glare of Big D. His bobble in Seattle is going to get amplified not because he is Hispanic, but because he's following guys like Aikman and Staubach. Don't believe me? Ask any of the White QBs in Denver who have tried to make it there what it is like to follow John Elway. It has nothing to do with Elway being White. It has to do with Elway being amazing.

Scrutiny of the QB is part of the package and there are always going to be people in and out of the game who question the intentions of those who criticize. Should they? Probably not. I think being accused of racism when someone is not racist is one of the most heinous things you can say about a person.

McNabb's problem is not that he's Black. His problem is that he plays a position that people demand a lot of you. Apparently he is overly sensitive to every criticism as this is not the first time he has insinuated these things. The best QB in the game right now is probably Peyton Manning. Until last year's Super Bowl he was always going to be labeled as the guy who could not win the big game. Is that fair? No, but it's reality because he's a QB and a good one.

The point is, so is McNabb. If he wasn't any good no one would have any expectations of him. He has failed (as one of an entire team) to live up to the hopes of the fans and media of Philadelphia. They'd be on him if he was White, Black, Hispanic, Native American, Asian, Arabic, or any other qualifier.

He needs to grow up and accept things like a man. Right now, he comes across as a spoiled brat who can't stand not to have everything his way.

[Deep_Freeze]

NFL QB's are expected to get the balls to their weapons and use running as a last resort. For any young QB they tend to rely on their athletic ability when they feel things are breaking down but many times if they hang in there a bit long they allow the WR to get past the coverage (that is what Dallas is working with on Romo) Young was that way as was Roger Stauback but as they develop and have a better understanding the game slows down in their eyes and they stay in the pocket a bit longer to make the throw. They still have mobility when things break down and that is a great asset for any QB but they are expected to get players around them involved.

QB's scrambling for first downs is fine, but history shows you cant make a career out of it. You also have to make the throws. Vick is criticized for being an awful passer and he is. Now Randall made some great plays running and some great plays throwing, i would have never suggested that he be a pocket passer. Vince, is intresting player, i'll take the wait and see aproach with him.

Yeah, I think both of you get my point though. Think of how many true pocket passing black QBs have played in the league.....not many, sure there are some, but not as many as scrambling ones. I do think that the scrambling QB's effect of his feet on time of possession and such is underrated. Sure you can't scramble for forever, but their impact is still just too underrated by "QB ratings".

As an engineer, I will tell you, sometimes numbers don't tell you anything at all about what is really going on in real life.

[SportsAnalyzer]

First of all, rex grossman is BELOW AVERAGE. so he is a bad example, i'm just saying it's ok to be a AVERAGE QB if you are white but if you are black you have to be ABOVE average. I'm not trying to start a debate just pointing how the way the league is. You are not going to tell me the white QB's below are not AVERAGE QB's

joey harrington
john kitna
chad pennington
kyle boller


If you are black qb and avergae, the you will be CUT or on the bench getting ready to be cut like

Dante Culpepper
Byrin Leftwich

[Skin]

I'm STILL waiting to see WHERE and WHEN McNabb made this comment?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3025308


Report: McNabb says black QBs under more pressure
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African-American quarterbacks face more pressure and more criticism than their white counterparts, Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb says in an interview scheduled to air on HBO on Tuesday night.



McNabb
McNabb, in an interview on "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel," tells interviewer James Brown that African-American quarterbacks such as himself face added pressure because there are fewer black QBs -- and because some still don't want black athletes playing the position.

"There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra," McNabb tells HBO. "Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra."




Later in the interview, Brown presses McNabb on criticism of his performance -- and if African-American QBs are graded more harshly.



"I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven, [mimicking] 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this,' " McNabb tells HBO.


"Doesn't every quarterback go through that?" Brown asks.



"Not everybody," McNabb replies.

Brown then asks if the media is tougher on him than on white quarterbacks such as Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning.



"Let me start by saying I love those guys," McNabb tells HBO. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."



In the interview, McNabb also talks to Brown about playing in Philadelphia, a city known for passionate sports fans who aren't afraid to criticize the city's pro athletes.

"Every year I'm part of some criticism," McNabb tells HBO. "But every day that we go through life, you're faced with a lot of adversity. Now the answer is how do you handle the adversity. How do you respond?



"I try to handle myself with class. I try to handle myself with dignity. I think sometimes people look to players to act out, speak loudly, pretty much be an idiot. But that's not me."

[khiladi]

The problem with Vick is that the better teams had the players to take away his running lanes and force him to stay in the pocket. Vick was rarely able to beat these teams from the pocket, and these teams knew it. He was (like McNabb) hampered by the fact that his receivers were never that good, but you still expect more from a first overall draft choice. Vick did have some great skill though. He had one of the best deep balls while throwing on the run. Many people just believe that he could have been one of the best ever if he developed the skill of passing from the pocket.

Actually, part of that reason is Vick has never had a decent WR core to back him up. They drop balls like nobody's business. I'm not saying he is a great quarterback, but he was pretty damn accurate when playing Dallas last year.

[SportsAnalyzer]

Thank you sir. He certainly makes some errant throws from time to time, but he is growing and making less mistakes than previously.



I really can't believe this is your honest opinion.

You don't think Eli Manning is held to a higher standard ?
Matt Leinart ?
Etc., I hope you are kidding.


No because if he was he would be on the bench with that hat on his head. Look, we all know if eli was black he would have been either cut or on the bench. I don;t really care about but you see this in the NFL all the time. The same thing will happen with Jamarcus russell, he will have 3 years to get the radiers to the playoffs or close if that.

[SportsAnalyzer]

I think a lot of you are missing the point. I never said white qb's don;t get CRITICIZED, i just said that they are not expected to do certain things like black qb's like RUN. Tony Romo for example, is a mobile QB and it's viewed as a bonus but not really a requirement. On the otherhand, blacks qb's are expected to run-I DON"T KNOW WHY but they are. How do I know? because doug williams was less mobile than eli manning and was cut. Randall cunningham was a scrambler and had a ten year career.

[Deep_Freeze]

Why was this thread moved here, lol. Rest of the McNabb threads are in the Fan Zone.........conspiracy!!!!

LOL.

[AtlCB]

First of all, rex grossman is BELOW AVERAGE. so he is a bad example, i'm just saying it's ok to be a AVERAGE QB if you are white but if you are black you have to be ABOVE average. I'm not trying to start a debate just pointing how the way the league is. You are not going to tell me the white QB's below are not AVERAGE QB's

joey harrington
john kitna
chad pennington
kyle boller


If you are black qb and avergae, the you will be CUT or on the bench getting ready to be cut like

Dante Culpepper
Byrin Leftwich

Are you kidding????? :confused: Chad Pennington has a 130.5 QB rating and Jon Kitna has a 94.7 QB rating. Jon Kitna lit our defense up last year. Kyle Boller and Joey Harrington are decent as backup quarterbacks. Don't expect Joey Harrington to start that many more games. The Falcons are already talking to Leftwich, and I don't think they invited him to Atlanta to discuss McNabb's comments. Dante Culpepper is still trying to recover from injuries. Miami took a huge risk and felt that he wouldn't pan out. Oakland has him now. If he recovers, the Raiders will start him. If not, he will be cut. His situation has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

[AtlCB]

I think a lot of you are missing the point. I never said white qb's don;t get CRITICIZED, i just said that they are not expected to do certain things like black qb's like RUN. Tony Romo for example, is a mobile QB and it's viewed as a bonus but not really a requirement. On the otherhand, blacks qb's are expected to run-I DON"T KNOW WHY but they are. How do I know? because doug williams was less mobile than eli manning and was cut. Randall cunningham was a scrambler and had a ten year career.
Leftwich was never expected to run and was drafted 8th overall. He had the mobility of Bernie Kosar. I don't recall Warren Moon being a running QB either.

[Hoov]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3025308





"I try to handle myself with class. I try to handle myself with dignity. I think sometimes people look to players to act out, speak loudly, pretty much be an idiot. But that's not me."
LOL, yet everytime he does an interview he stirs up some type of controversy. Its just that he says things in a calm manner during a private interview - yet he still comes off looking like an idiot. actually idiot may not be the right word, but he is not aware of how he is perceived or how his words will go over. The very thing he tries to prevent, he actually ends up causing - he goes so far out of his way to try and create the illusion that he is mr class all the way around, and its the rest of the world that is hating on him that he comes off like a martyr. And people hate that more than someone like TO mouthing off about the organization in the heat of the moment after a loss.

[SportsAnalyzer]

Leftwich was never expected to run and was drafted 8th overall. He had the mobility of Bernie Kosar. I don't recall Warren Moon being a running QB either.


Warren Moon was not your typical black qb, very accurate and not a runner. One of my favorites actually from the 1990's

[TheCount]

I think McNabb has a point, though it certainly isn't all about race. McNabb isn't nearly as inaccurate as people like to say he is, and he's been a very successful quarterback in this league. The fact that Philly fans are idiots and don't know how to appreciate a good player, is a completely different matter.

McNabb has had to play with average WR's for most of his career, and the one year he had a star (T.O.), they went to the superbowl and he put up amazing stats.

I think that being white, a lot of people are quick to just say, "Aw shut up and quit your whining.", but no one knows what McNabb goes thorough or has gone through to get where he is.

[zeromaster]

I'm STILL waiting to see WHERE and WHEN McNabb made this comment?

Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3025308

Too bad this part didn't quite work as he intended.

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Print (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3025308&type=story)African-American quarterbacks face more pressure and more criticism than their white counterparts, Philadelphia Eagles (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=phi) QB Donovan McNabb (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4650) says in an interview scheduled to air on HBO on Tuesday night.
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McNabb, in an interview on "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel," tells interviewer James Brown that African-American quarterbacks such as himself face added pressure because there are fewer black QBs -- and because some still don't want black athletes playing the position. "There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra," McNabb tells HBO. "Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra."Later in the interview, Brown presses McNabb on criticism of his performance -- and if African-American QBs are graded more harshly.

"I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven, [mimicking] 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this,' " McNabb tells HBO.

"Doesn't every quarterback go through that?" Brown asks. "Not everybody," McNabb replies.Brown then asks if the media is tougher on him than on white quarterbacks such as Carson Palmer (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6337) and Peyton Manning (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4256).

"Let me start by saying I love those guys," McNabb tells HBO. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."

In the interview, McNabb also talks to Brown about playing in Philadelphia, a city known for passionate sports fans who aren't afraid to criticize the city's pro athletes.

"Every year I'm part of some criticism," McNabb tells HBO. "But every day that we go through life, you're faced with a lot of adversity. Now the answer is how do you handle the adversity. How do you respond?

"I try to handle myself with class. I try to handle myself with dignity. I think sometimes people look to players to act out, speak loudly, pretty much be an idiot. But that's not me."

[ConcordCowboy]

Why was this thread moved here, lol. Rest of the McNabb threads are in the Fan Zone.........conspiracy!!!!

LOL.

I think you know the answer to this.

Race card will start a flame war with someone...therefore send this thread to the NFL Zone to die.:D

[Deep_Freeze]

I think you know the answer to this.

Race card will start a flame war with someone...therefore send this thread to the NFL Zone to die.:D

Yeah I know, lol, I was just joking.

Guess we need to pick out the color of the casket, lol.

;)

[zeromaster]

I think McNabb has a point, though it certainly isn't all about race. McNabb isn't nearly as inaccurate as people like to say he is, and he's been a very successful quarterback in this league. The fact that Philly fans are idiots and don't know how to appreciate a good player, is a completely different matter.

McNabb has had to play with average WR's for most of his career, and the one year he had a star (T.O.), they went to the superbowl and he put up amazing stats.

I think that being white, a lot of people are quick to just say, "Aw shut up and quit your whining.", but no one knows what McNabb goes thorough or has gone through to get where he is.
The problem is: unlike this quote,

"I try to handle myself with class. I try to handle myself with dignity. I think sometimes people look to players to act out, speak loudly, pretty much be an idiot. But that's not me."

he does go out of his way to be vocal and draw attention to himself. And the results fall rather short. Rather than coming off as an individual with dignity and class, he tends to sound like he's complaining.

A class individual would sound more like,

It's unfortunate that because of the profile of the position and the expectations of an entire city, things sometimes become more than most of us would like to handle. But it's the walk in life I chose, and I'm going to use it as motivation and keep persevering.

Now which of those paragraphs sounds like someone that is up to the challenge?

He's being paid far more money than almost all of us will see in a lifetime, and leads his team (at least in theory) and still he feels persecuted? Sounds like he picked the wrong profession.

[TobiasEagle77]

As his career goes on, McNabb has gotten worse and worse at conducting interviews. Intelligence isn't his strong point... he's not eloquent... and like most football players, he really needs to just shut up.

[dogberry]

Black QBs make up 15.6% of starters in NFl. Higher than population would suggest.

[Hostile]

As his career goes on, McNabb has gotten worse and worse at conducting interviews. Intelligence isn't his strong point... he's not eloquent... and like most football players, he really needs to just shut up.I disagree with this. I like McNabb. Always have. I think he's very intelligent, but I do think he has a bit of a persecution complex when it comes to being criticized. He's doing his best so he thinks all criticism is therefore unfair.

He's wrong.

[TobiasEagle77]

I think he's intelligent in a common sense, smart way of living way. You look at the life he's built himself, the way he conducts himself off the field, and he's a classy guy. But he's not smart enough to be eloquent, or to accurately relate his thoughts. He should stick to football and family life, not complicated issues like race perceptions. He's no Kennedy or Reagan, he's more like a Bush or Dukakis.

[the kid 05]

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McNabb says black QBs under more pressure
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African-American quarterbacks face more pressure and more criticism than their white counterparts, Philadelphia Eagles (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=phi) QB Donovan McNabb (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4650) says in an interview scheduled to air on HBO on Tuesday night. McNabb, in an interview on "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel," tells interviewer James Brown that African-American quarterbacks such as himself face added pressure because there are fewer black QBs -- and because some still don't want black athletes playing the position. "There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra," McNabb tells HBO. "Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra." Later in the interview, Brown presses McNabb on criticism of his performance -- and if African-American QBs are graded more harshly. "I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven, [mimicking] 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this,' " McNabb tells HBO. "Doesn't every quarterback go through that?" Brown asks. "Not everybody," McNabb replies. Brown then asks if the media is tougher on him than on white quarterbacks such as Carson Palmer (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6337) and Peyton Manning (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4256). "Let me start by saying I love those guys," McNabb tells HBO. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't." In the interview, McNabb also talks to Brown about playing in Philadelphia, a city known for passionate sports fans who aren't afraid to criticize the city's pro athletes. "Every year I'm part of some criticism," McNabb tells HBO. "But every day that we go through life, you're faced with a lot of adversity. Now the answer is how do you handle the adversity. How do you respond? "I try to handle myself with class. I try to handle myself with dignity. I think sometimes people look to players to act out, speak loudly, pretty much be an idiot. But that's not me."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3025308

oh really?

[DallasDW00ds0n]

oh geeezeee

now if another african american says how dumb McNabb sounds, McNabb will just call it a "black-on-black crime."

[Champsheart]

I have said for a while now McNabb is a fake. He is not what he media has tried to portray in the past.
He is a baby and thinks he is bigger than he is, and I definetly question his leadership skills.

I always looked at the T.O. thing as if it was just as much him as T.O.

The media never saw it that way, they acted like McNabb could do know wrong.

[RomoIsBack]

can we get on with life so much black white stuff

[burmafrd]

Ought to just shut up and play better. But since he can't he uses the race card. Which just goes to show that Rush was right about him in the first place.

[GimmeTheBall!]

Do you have a link, some corroborating evidence?http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20070918_McNabb_tells_HBO_that_race_is_an_issue_at _QB_position.html

He's digging himself into a hole.

[ConcordCowboy]

Yeah I know, lol, I was just joking.

Guess we need to pick out the color of the casket, lol.

;)

Apparently I was wrong...this thread won't die...even in the NFL Zone.:D

[trickblue]

If you are black qb and avergae, the you will be CUT or on the bench getting ready to be cut like

Dante Culpepper
Byrin Leftwich

So Del Rio cut Leftwich because he is black... only to replace him with this man? :huh:

http://www.nflplayers.com/images/players/33084.jpg

As far as Culpepper, he was one of MANY players on that team moved out because the new regime wanted to get rid of the bad image they had earned. His position has now been filled by this guy:

http://www.nflplayers.com/images/players/38317.jpg

I'm having a hard time understanding your logic...

[cowboys822]

what a loser

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McNabb says black QBs under more pressure

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Updated: September 18, 2007, 3:32 PM ET

African-American quarterbacks face more pressure and more criticism than their white counterparts, Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb says in an interview scheduled to air on HBO on Tuesday night.


McNabb
McNabb, in an interview on "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel," tells interviewer James Brown that African-American quarterbacks such as himself face added pressure because there are fewer black QBs -- and because some still don't want black athletes playing the position.
"There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra," McNabb tells HBO. "Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra."
In just-completed Week 2, five of the 32 teams (15.6 percent) had black starting quarterbacks.
Later in the interview, Brown presses McNabb on criticism of his performance -- and if African-American QBs are graded more harshly.
"I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven, [mimicking] 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this,' " McNabb tells HBO.

"Doesn't every quarterback go through that?" Brown asks.
"Not everybody," McNabb replies.
Brown then asks if the media is tougher on him than on white quarterbacks such as Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning.

"Let me start by saying I love those guys," McNabb tells HBO. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."

In the interview, McNabb also talks to Brown about playing in Philadelphia, a city known for passionate sports fans who aren't afraid to criticize the city's pro athletes.

"Every year I'm part of some criticism," McNabb tells HBO. "But every day that we go through life, you're faced with a lot of adversity. Now the answer is how do you handle the adversity. How do you respond?

"I try to handle myself with class. I try to handle myself with dignity. I think sometimes people look to players to act out, speak loudly, pretty much be an idiot. But that's not me."

[dogberry]

With Leftwich at Atlanta, the percentage is now 18.8. (6/32)

[Hoov]

already a whole thread about this

[Chocolate Lab]

"Every year I'm part of some criticism," McNabb tells HBO. "But every day that we go through life, you're faced with a lot of adversity. Now the answer is how do you handle the adversity. How do you respond?Obviously, you :cry2:

[dallasfaniac]

"I think sometimes people look to players to act out, speak loudly, pretty much be an idiot. But that's not me."

Judging by this article.....

[WoodysGirl]

Before I merge this thing, but what the heck is a race card? Is it something you fill out?

[Dallas]

what a loser

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McNabb says black QBs under more pressure

ESPN.com news services
Updated: September 18, 2007, 3:32 PM ET

African-American quarterbacks face more pressure and more criticism than their white counterparts, Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb says in an interview scheduled to air on HBO on Tuesday night.


McNabb
McNabb, in an interview on "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel," tells interviewer James Brown that African-American quarterbacks such as himself face added pressure because there are fewer black QBs -- and because some still don't want black athletes playing the position.
In just-completed Week 2, five of the 32 teams (15.6 percent) had black starting quarterbacks.
Later in the interview, Brown presses McNabb on criticism of his performance -- and if African-American QBs are graded more harshly.
"I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven, [mimicking] 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this,' " McNabb tells HBO.

"Doesn't every quarterback go through that?" Brown asks.
"Not everybody," McNabb replies.
Brown then asks if the media is tougher on him than on white quarterbacks such as Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning.

"Let me start by saying I love those guys," McNabb tells HBO. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."

In the interview, McNabb also talks to Brown about playing in Philadelphia, a city known for passionate sports fans who aren't afraid to criticize the city's pro athletes.

"Every year I'm part of some criticism," McNabb tells HBO. "But every day that we go through life, you're faced with a lot of adversity. Now the answer is how do you handle the adversity. How do you respond?

"I try to handle myself with class. I try to handle myself with dignity. I think sometimes people look to players to act out, speak loudly, pretty much be an idiot. But that's not me."

I really hate reading this type of garbage. There is not a single coach in the NFL who does not want the best player at the QB position. Be them black/white/yellow/fucia....whatever the color.

That is totally rediculous of Donovan to say. What a bunch of crock.

"There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra," McNabb tells HBO. "Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra."


What flippin PLANET is McChunk on? Sure we have issues still w/ race but I don't see that in the NFL.

Putting a white qb in over the more talented black QB should get any NFL coach fired on the spot.

I thought Mcnabb was smarter w/ the things he says.

It certainly does not look like it. It looks like more excuses from the barf-mastah.


DmAc should just get out of the league if he can't take the heat. Which is all it is. Pressure - something he has NEVER dealt well with I might add.

Someone get me a barf-bag. I think Im gonna puke.

[FCBarca]

Personally, I like McNabb...He seems like a good guy and was a heckuva QB at Syracuse too...His teammates, save 1 in particular love him.

Nothing he said is easy to refute.

[Dallas]

Before I merge this thing, but what the heck is a race card? Is it something you fill out?


It's a card. I have one.

On it it says - WHITEBOY. I carry it everywhere I go. I give it to the POLICEMAN when he pulls me over. He looks at it and says "Ok - you can go now Mr. Dallas."


Everyone should get one of these race cards.

[Deep_Freeze]

Before I merge this thing, but what the heck is a race card? Is it something you fill out?

:laugh2:

Does it have any hanging chads??

Off to the NFL Zone to die, lol.

[ayjackson]

Personally, I like McNabb...He seems like a good guy and was a heckuva QB at Syracuse too...His teammates, save 1 in particular love him.

Nothing he said is easy to refute.

This is the point - he's overrated. That's the card to play. He was a great college QB, he is a nice guy, he is a physical speciman - he must be a hall of fame QB. Wrong. When athletes like him start to age, they lose their allure as an NFL QB.

[firehawk350]

http://www.destructoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/Race_Card1.jpg
No thread about race would be complete without a race card!

[Doomsday101]

I think a lot of you are missing the point. I never said white qb's don;t get CRITICIZED, i just said that they are not expected to do certain things like black qb's like RUN. Tony Romo for example, is a mobile QB and it's viewed as a bonus but not really a requirement. On the otherhand, blacks qb's are expected to run-I DON"T KNOW WHY but they are. How do I know? because doug williams was less mobile than eli manning and was cut. Randall cunningham was a scrambler and had a ten year career.

All QB have certain abilities regardless if it is being mobile or not. Jacksonville did not bring in Leftwich to be a running QB and because he is black does not mean he is swift of foot. In the case of Vick yes they looked at his ability to run as an asset and felt they could improve him ability as a QB who could also work from the pocket. Face it all QB's must have the ability to work from the pocket if not you may as well throw the playbook out the window and just have WR look for open areas as they do on plays that are breaking down. This is not the NCAA and NFL teams are not running the option. Coach have set plays with WR running exact routs and you can't have your QB just running around.

[bbgun]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1458/mckinneyracecarddu7.jpg

[Chocolate Lab]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1458/mckinneyracecarddu7.jpg

:lmao2:

[Hoov]

I disagree with this. I like McNabb. Always have. I think he's very intelligent, but I do think he has a bit of a persecution complex when it comes to being criticized. He's doing his best so he thinks all criticism is therefore unfair.

He's wrong.

That sums it up for me. and he gets too down on himself and the team when its not going well and he's unable to bounce back. He's not one to rally the troops when the going gets tough, he isolates himself from the teamates on the sidelines when they're losing.

As far as his interviews, he makes comments implying he doesnt want to be involved in all this turmoil, he should just let the criticism go then, but he takes it so personal.

Often he doesnt respond at firts, but later holds a private or special interview with someone in a controlled setting so he can speak out, but it just ends up making a BIGGER deal out of the whole thing, so that its not just what he says but how he comes across.

[Dallas]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1458/mckinneyracecarddu7.jpg



Man I love it when you post like this. More More More !!

[LenS]

Pennington is still there because he's taken the Jets to more playoff games and wins than any QB in Jet's history. Plus, in this week's game, he was the only player getting something done for the Jets.

Eli Manning has a big contract. He's had some flashes. He needs to show more this year (and we saw some in the Dallas game). It's not quite time yet to bury him.

David Carr has already moved into backup status. He's probably where he belongs now.

If it wasn't for Vick getting caught and Atlanta stupidly trading Schaub, Harrington would be where he belongs -- a 3rd string QB.

Grossman. Because they got to the Super Bowl, the Bears are giving him another year. But the odds are that he'll end up as a 3rd stringer somewhere by next year.

Green did manage to throw for 4,000 yards in three seasons -- 2003, 2004 & 2005 -- before he got concussed last year. Only Moon, Marino, Favre, Bledsoe and Manning have three or more 4,000 yard seasons. So he's barely a year off from some pretty good numbers. And that break was caused by a nasty concussion.

The Ravens will be looking to find a new QB to replace McNair and Boller in this off-season.

[JPostSam]

can you believe mcnabb, playing the race card in an interview with hbo?

"There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra," McNabb tells HBO. "Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra."

who does donovan think he's kidding? this is not the 70s. he is NOT in the shoes of doug williams or warren moon.

today's nfl teams have more minority players than whites. hell, on the entire cowboys defense, there is only ONE white player -- bobby carpenter -- and he is a back-up.

mcnabb is one of EIGHT starting quarterbacks in the nfl today (i'm counting byron leftwich, who will surely soon be given the reins in atlanta, and jamarcus russell, who will definitely be asked to start earning his colossal new contract). there are several more black back-up qbs, too.

what, donovan, is vince young not getting enough love?

and are white qbs NOT scrutinized also? what would you say about ryan leaf? or joey harrington? or half the starting qbs in the game today?

yet mcnabb says he's OVER-scrutinized.

"I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven, [mimicking] 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this,' " McNabb tells HBO.

"Doesn't every quarterback go through that?" Brown asks.

"Not everybody," McNabb replies.

Brown then asks if the media is tougher on him than on white quarterbacks such as Carson Palmer (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6337) and Peyton Manning (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4256).

"Let me start by saying I love those guys," McNabb tells HBO. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."

uh-huh. so peyton manning hasn't been criticized, huh? you mean he wasn't dismissed, before winning the super bowl, as a finesse guy who was all about stats but didn't have what it takes to win a game that matters?

let's get something straight: donovan mcnabb is a good quarterback. he makes plays, and he rarely throws interceptions. but he's also -- as troy aikman has pointed out -- just not accurate enough for the west coast offense. (career completion percentage: 58.)

peyton manning (gosh, is this even necessary?) holds a career completion percentage of 64, holds the all-time record for touchdowns in a season at 49 (!!!), and threw for 4,000 yards for SIX STRAIGHT SEASONS.

when you're practically perfect, you get more respect, and less scrutiny, than a guy who has never thrown for 4,000 yards in any year, or who has only one season above 60% completion percentage.

...or who has puked at the line of scrimmage.

...or who has just lost six of his last seven games.

come on, mcnabb. nfl players today are evaluated on their performance. no one cares what color you are -- from the head coaches to the cheerleaders -- they care about winning. there are a whole lot of white guys wearing number 5 jerseys on game day, pal, and all they care about is whether you make the throws you need to make on third downs.

i don't think i'm going too far by saying that mcnabb wouldn't want someone to say, "he's pretty good -- for a black quarterback." surely he'd want them to say, "he's a pretty good quarterback."

well, the corollary of that, donovan, is that when people say, "he's not a very good quarterback," they don't mean "because he isn't white." they mean "because he isn't winning."

art shell didn't get the boot because he was black, but because he wasn't getting the job done. same goes for dennis green. and you know what? the same goes for every white coach in the league. hell, marty schottenheimer was fired, and his team won like crazy!

if you win games, mcnabb, everyone will love you. if you lose, they'll jump on you. that's part of playing quarterback. deal!

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by the way -- the eagles drafted mcnabb to replace a black quarterback (rodney peete), who was signed to replace another black quarterback (randall cunningham). it isn't like philly still needs time to get used to the idea of a brother under center.

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also: i believe that mcnabb has actually BENEFITTED from being a black quarterback. i agree with what rush limbaugh said about a desire to see black quarterbacks succeed, which led to mcnabb being promoted as a better player than he was. likewise, i think a lot of people WANTED michael vick to succeed, which is why he was trumpeted, and forgiven for an atrocious inability to make plays with his arm. i think they WANTED kordell stewart to be a star, too.

AND, i think that this is not so much different than the media continuing to talk about brett favre as "such a kid out there" rather than as a player with diminished skills. or about ray lewis's "intensity."

they're SELLING us something -- the notion that these guys are SPECIAL, so we'd all better watch. well, donovan, all eyes are on you. that IS what you wanted when you signed your first contract, wasn't it?

[Dallas]

Been posted already today. Check the NFL Zone.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

JeMarcus Russell and Vince young are getting picked at the top of their drafts while Matt Leinert and Brady Quinn fall down the board and this moron says tht people dont want black QBs?

You get criticized becasue you are all over the place with your accuracy, youve lost most of you last 7 starts and your injury prone. Palmer did miss some time but he and Manning are accurate winners that dont spend most of their time on IR or inactive due to injury.

[ultra5]

McNabb is right...

he is a terrible quarterback.

:laugh2:

[CrazyCowboy]

He needs some cheap cheese to go with that expensive wine.

[RomoIsBack]

he such a baby
they was killin romo for the field goal

[03EBZ06]

He should go talk to Tiger Woods about having to perform at crucial situations, being a clutch player, being a mentally tough, instead of crying about getting criticized.

[TunaFan33]

Is Rex Grossman black?

FWIW-I believe Tony Romo is Hispanic, so I guess that technically makes him a minority.

[Big Dakota]

JeMarcus Russell and Vince young are getting picked at the top of their drafts while Matt Leinert and Brady Quinn fall down the board and this moron says tht people dont want black QBs?

You get criticized becasue you are all over the place with your accuracy, youve lost most of you last 7 starts and your injury prone. Palmer did miss some time but he and Manning are accurate winners that dont spend most of their time on IR or inactive due to injury.



And it will happen again this year when Andre Woodson gets selected ahead of Brian Brohm. Mark my words.

[Big Dakota]

He needs some cheap cheese to go with that expensive wine.


I'll send him a 5lb block of rez cheese.

[TunaFan33]

Doesn't anyone else find it funny how P-T called everyone here "McNabb Hate-Mongers"?

What does he have to say about this?

[DallasCowpoke]

Is Rex Grossman black?

FWIW-I believe Tony Romo is Hispanic, so I guess that technically makes him a minority.

Not in the state he plays in, it doesn't. "Technically" speaking that is.

;)

[Seven]

Wonder if Moose and Alstott felt this way?

[LeonDixson]

Do you have a link, some corroborating evidence?

I heard it referred to on the NFL Channel, but they said the interview was with James Brown.

[LeonDixson]

Well explain to me why these white QB's are still employed in the NFL

Trent Green
David Carr
Eli Manning
Joey Harrington
Rex Grossman
Chad Pennington
Kyle Boller

This is stupid! Who said anything about McNabb being fired?

You think those guys haven't been criticized???? I would defy anybody in the media to call a McNabb a mental midget in a national newspaper and not lose his/her job.

All QB's get criticized when they blow chunks.