Conspiracy Theorists.

[Ben_n_austin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&mode=related&search=

[thescarface1989]

Im so damn tired of this truth movmement I see their videos everywhere youtube, google video, even torrents!:bang2:

[Yeagermeister]

The history channel had a special on about a week before the 9/11 anniversary that completely debunked these conspiracy theorists so badly they went back and re-edited their own video.

Their theory was completely shreaded in every way possible.

[joseephuss]

The history channel had a special on about a week before the 9/11 anniversary that completely debunked these conspiracy theorists so badly they went back and re-edited their own video.

Their theory was completely shreaded in every way possible.

That was a very good show. They made everyone look stupid. One of the guys interviewed was Alex Jones who lives here in Austin. He is out there on most of his stuff. Unfortunately, he is so out there that people overlook some of the good stuff he tries to bring to peoples attention. It is not a lot, but every now and then he finds a nugget worth sharing.

[Ben_n_austin]

That was a very good show. They made everyone look stupid. One of the guys interviewed was Alex Jones who lives here in Austin. He is out there on most of his stuff. Unfortunately, he is so out there that people overlook some of the good stuff he tries to bring to peoples attention. It is not a lot, but every now and then he finds a nugget worth sharing.

I actually like Jones. And I didn't know that the history channel was the authority.

I just thought this was interesting. It is possible. I just don't know.

[iceberg]

The history channel had a special on about a week before the 9/11 anniversary that completely debunked these conspiracy theorists so badly they went back and re-edited their own video.

Their theory was completely shreaded in every way possible.

that's the downside of trying to talk to a conspiracy theorist - if they're proven wrong, they won't admit it, they'll just keep digging. there can't be an end cause they "must" be right.

[iceberg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&mode=related&search=

bush cheated to win the election, you say.
what's this supposed to imply - we did 9/11 to ourselves?

couple more of these and all credibility will be gone.

[CowboyJeff]

bush cheated to win the election, you say.
what's this supposed to imply - we did 9/11 to ourselves?

couple more of these and all credibility will be gone.

:hammer:

I'm waiting for a conspiracy video that hints Ralph Nader intentionally entered the Presidential Race because he wanted Al Gore to lose. :lmao:

Seriously though, the 9/11 conspiracy videos are ridiculously absurd. At least Lincoln and Kennedy conspiracy theorists have some remote shreds of evidence to hang onto. These 9/11 conspiracy theorists have an anti-U.S. agenda behind them. That's their end-game.

[iceberg]

:hammer:

I'm waiting for a conspiracy video that hints Ralph Nader intentionally entered the Presidential Race because he wanted Al Gore to lose. :lmao:

Seriously though, the 9/11 conspiracy videos are ridiculously absurd. At least Lincoln and Kennedy conspiracy theorists have some remote shreds of evidence to hang onto. These 9/11 conspiracy theorists have an anti-U.S. agenda behind them. That's their end-game.

i love healthy debates stationed in "reality". what is so hard to deal with are the bullheaded ones who will make things up to suit the way they need to see the world vs. take it as it really is.

[Ben_n_austin]

Ice and Jeff, you two are made for each other. To say that it can be proved one way or another doesn't show much logic on your part.

I never said that I believed in the theory, just that I found it interesting..

Besides, credibility amongst you two isn't what I'm looking for. Sorry to burst your bubbles.

[Ben_n_austin]

:hammer:

I'm waiting for a conspiracy video that hints Ralph Nader intentionally entered the Presidential Race because he wanted Al Gore to lose. :lmao:

Seriously though, the 9/11 conspiracy videos are ridiculously absurd. At least Lincoln and Kennedy conspiracy theorists have some remote shreds of evidence to hang onto. These 9/11 conspiracy theorists have an anti-U.S. agenda behind them. That's their end-game.

I don't think so. I think some of them really believe it. What's to be gained at this stage in the game? Dumbya's term is almost over....

[iceberg]

Ice and Jeff, you two are made for each other. To say that it can be proved one way or another doesn't show much logic on your part.

I never said that I believed in the theory, just that I found it interesting..

Besides, credibility amongst you two isn't what I'm looking for. Sorry to burst your bubbles.

good. now i won't lose any sleep tonight.

it's just that every time i turn around bush cheated, this is a conspiracy...you're "out there" man and maybe you're right. but just because one in 100 crazy thihgs you say may be right doesn't make the other 99 right also. it just gives you some false sense of hope it seems.

[Ben_n_austin]

good. now i won't lose any sleep tonight.

it's just that every time i turn around bush cheated, this is a conspiracy...you're "out there" man and maybe you're right. but just because one in 100 crazy thihgs you say may be right doesn't make the other 99 right also. it just gives you some false sense of hope it seems.


Talk about someone being off point. I happen to believe that there was a sound, but that there was a different cause for the sound.... like a power transformer or air pushing the outside of the walls out when it collapsed down.

This is really, really funny how you think you know what you really don't know. :lmao2:



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[iceberg]

Talk about someone being off point. I happen to believe that there was a sound, but that there was a different cause for the sound.... like a power transformer or air pushing the outside of the walls out when it collapsed down.

This is really, really funny how you think you know what you really don't know. :lmao2:



"happen" to believe? you seem to "want" to believe there something amiss just so you can be paranoid about it.

feel free.

[Ben_n_austin]

Ice, I don't think that you can know anything 99% of the time. Half the time you don't even comprehend what I'm actually saying, which in this case, was just that it was at least interesting....

If you're going to deny those explosions then you're just content with the constraints of blindness.

Did you not notice the title of the thread?

[Ben_n_austin]

"happen" to believe? you seem to "want" to believe there something amiss just so you can be paranoid about it.

feel free.

No, you seem to want to paint it like I believe this way so you look like you're winning some sort of argument.

This is also laughable. I "want" to believe there is something amiss. I told you what I believe. A transformer, or air blowing the walls out....

Either way, people heard it. It seems you don't "want" to believe that....

Watch the video. It doesn't seem like you actually watched the thing.

If you have, you're way off point with no focus as far as what it is that I'm actually saying.

You "want" to make something that I'm saying into something it's not, like a bad journalist....

[iceberg]

No, you seem to want to paint it like I believe this way so you look like you're winning some sort of argument.

This is also laughable. I "want" to believe there is something amiss. I told you what I believe. A transformer, or air blowing the walls out....

Either way, people heard it. It seems you don't "want" to believe that....

Watch the video. It doesn't seem like you actually watched the thing.

If you have, you're way off point with no focus as far as what it is that I'm actually saying.

You "want" to make something that I'm saying into something it's not, like a bad journalist....

i did watch it. it was a painfull experience of watching stupid people try to think.

there. i got my dig back in. now, how about if we both back up and chill out on the "i must get 1 ahead" goals?

you wanna belive bush is a cheater - you do that.

i won't.

that's our fundamental difference. do w/it what you feel like.

[iceberg]

Ice, I don't think that you can know anything 99% of the time. Half the time you don't even comprehend what I'm actually saying, which in this case, was just that it was at least interesting....

If you're going to deny those explosions then you're just content with the constraints of blindness.

Did you not notice the title of the thread?

i can only dumb myself down so far.

step up and meet me 1/2 way or move along.

[iceberg]

Ice, I don't think that you can know anything 99% of the time. Half the time you don't even comprehend what I'm actually saying, which in this case, was just that it was at least interesting....

If you're going to deny those explosions then you're just content with the constraints of blindness.

Did you not notice the title of the thread?

2 airplanes flew into 2 very large buildings both full of airplane fuel.

the buildings exploded over several city blocks.

i'm sure a lot of things were "exploding" as flaming debris rained down.

you just need it to mean something vs. i take it for what it is.

i get you far too easily. step back and work on getting "me" and let's see what happens.

[Ben_n_austin]

i can only dumb myself down so far.

step up and meet me 1/2 way or move along.


It's ok. I've come to the realization that we're not always gonna be on the same sheet of music. I don't think that everthing has to be black and white, but some issues you just can't meet half way on.

This isn't one of them... because you don't get the issue that I was bringing up, which was that it was merely an interesting discussion.

I don't fear ideas that I don't agree with. I like to talk about them.

[iceberg]

It's ok. I've come to the realization that we're not always gonna be on the same sheet of music. I don't think that everthing has to be black and white, but some issues you just can't meet half way on.

This isn't one of them... because you don't get the issue that I was bringing up, which was that it was merely an interesting discussion.

I don't fear ideas that I don't agree with. I like to talk about them.

then let's talk about the possiblity maybe bush didn't cheat his way into the white house. let's see how far this gets.

[Aikbach]

To paraphrase the great theologian Augustine "The ridiculous deserve ridicule", and thus the conspiracy theorists do by and large.

[iceberg]

To paraphrase the great theologian Augustine "The ridiculous deserve ridicule", and thus the conspiracy theorists do by and large.

it's not to say there isn't a conspiracy theory there that could come out later. that alone is possible everywhere any of us can turn. but i'll let the evidence, not my own desire, guide me.

explosions out of nowhere are explosions out of nowhere.

a mind in need makes them something else.

[Ben_n_austin]

it's not to say there isn't a conspiracy theory there that could come out later. that alone is possible everywhere any of us can turn. but i'll let the evidence, not my own desire, guide me.

explosions out of nowhere are explosions out of nowhere.

a mind in need makes them something else.


... because we see, hear,smell things every day that come out of nowhere.

[Ben_n_austin]

then let's talk about the possiblity maybe bush didn't cheat his way into the white house. let's see how far this gets.


Possible but not probable the first election... probable but not impossible the second election.

It looks awfully suspicious that Florida was the pivitol player and you know who is the govna' there - but it's possible.

And then a second pivitol move was made by a juge who was appointed by his father.

So you have two intrageneous links to the Bush "victory", which was initially handed to Gore.

[arglebargle]

i did watch it. it was a painfull experience of watching stupid people try to think....


Ouch! Great line!

[arglebargle]

Now I think it very likely that one or more the elections were probably stolen. Wouldn't be the first (or even the second) time in US history. Given the bending/breaking of the rules I have seen with Delay, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, etc, I wouldn't put it past them.

I heard an interview with a Texas Observer reporter who had followed Rove his entire career. He was very complementary of Rove's intelligence and political acumen. He also said that in every campaign that Rove was involved in, some shadowy group showed up at an important point, slinging pretty despicable mud (ala the Carolina primary 'McCain has a black *******' schtick). Why stop there when real power could be on your plate.

Sometimes, it really is a duck, you know......

Best bit of Gore-Bush election shenannigans that I came across was from a Democratic party guy (I have not personally verified this) that 80,000 votes were tossed out in the election that had Gore's name written in and Gore's name punched out as well. They were thrown out for 'unclear intent'. And 40,000 Bush votes got the same fate. But the 40,000 vote margin there would have statistically withstood most other recount options. Not sure if that is a standard way to treat such things, or if a decision was made by a certain high up election functionary who saw she had a chance to 'make good.'

And as someone who has actually gone over way more voter election tabulations than any of you would ever want to (believe me!), the non electronic tabulations were rife with errors. Mostly addition, or inability to read someone's handwriting, but we did find a clear (and very well done) case of voter fraud in a county democratic primary in Texas. Fortunately, the guilty candidate was busted soon after election on smuggling charges.

Regardless, in the past it did not lead to the downfall of the Republic, most likely not so now either.

[iceberg]

Possible but not probable the first election... probable but not impossible the second election.

It looks awfully suspicious that Florida was the pivitol player and you know who is the govna' there - but it's possible.

And then a second pivitol move was made by a juge who was appointed by his father.

So you have two intrageneous links to the Bush "victory", which was initially handed to Gore.

and we have several independant parties who have all said the vote went to bush regardless of how many times these parties counted it.

for whatever reason you want to believe bush a cheat so you'll see the evidence line up in that fashion. if it doesn't, the CT (conspiracy theorist) will dig deeper till they can find some other rational to cling to to keep the conspiracy alive.

you do it a lot. why?

[iceberg]

Now I think it very likely that one or more the elections were probably stolen. Wouldn't be the first (or even the second) time in US history. Given the bending/breaking of the rules I have seen with Delay, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, etc, I wouldn't put it past them.

I heard an interview with a Texas Observer reporter who had followed Rove his entire career. He was very complementary of Rove's intelligence and political acumen. He also said that in every campaign that Rove was involved in, some shadowy group showed up at an important point, slinging pretty despicable mud (ala the Carolina primary 'McCain has a black *******' schtick). Why stop there when real power could be on your plate.

Sometimes, it really is a duck, you know......

Best bit of Gore-Bush election shenannigans that I came across was from a Democratic party guy (I have not personally verified this) that 80,000 votes were tossed out in the election that had Gore's name written in and Gore's name punched out as well. They were thrown out for 'unclear intent'. And 40,000 Bush votes got the same fate. But the 40,000 vote margin there would have statistically withstood most other recount options. Not sure if that is a standard way to treat such things, or if a decision was made by a certain high up election functionary who saw she had a chance to 'make good.'

And as someone who has actually gone over way more voter election tabulations than any of you would ever want to (believe me!), the non electronic tabulations were rife with errors. Mostly addition, or inability to read someone's handwriting, but we did find a clear (and very well done) case of voter fraud in a county democratic primary in Texas. Fortunately, the guilty candidate was busted soon after election on smuggling charges.

Regardless, in the past it did not lead to the downfall of the Republic, most likely not so now either.

have there been fixed/rigged elections? you bet. i don't believe this to be one of them. either bush election to be honest.

1. bush is an idiot, they tell me.
2. they can't put up a candidate who can beat an idiot.
3. well they can but the idiot cheats
4. doesn't it take smart people to cheat an entire system / country?

i'm sure some votes got thrown out. if that alone is evil how evil is it to play games with the military vote? the dems went nuts trying to get some military votes disqualified. for those touting an open system in which all is fair they sure to run to any port in a storm also.

both sides are doing this and have always done this. it's sad what our political system has become and it's sad we still take one side or the other when if we put the sides away we'd probably agree and get along much better.

instead we slap on a label and let the fighting begin. maybe in the end we're a part of the overall problem because we participate in it as if it's ok vs. stand up and demand changes we only *talk* about.

but i digress.

bush won. both times. the story is over except for those who just can't handle it. from there, the evidence is pointed the way they need to see it in order to make themselves feel better about it.

[Ben_n_austin]

instead we slap on a label and let the fighting begin.

Same tired "ice mantra".


bush won. both times. the story is over except for those who just can't handle it. from there, the evidence is pointed the way they need to see it in order to make themselves feel better about it.

Again, same thing... not sure why you have the same answer for every political issue, but it's kind of funny.

By the way, I'd like to point out that this is not fact; rather your perspective and opinion about how things are... and it's quite redundant and predictable.

[ConcordCowboy]

http://www.september11news.com/May16_NYPostBushKnew.jpg


:D

[ConcordCowboy]

http://members.aol.com/lupinaccim/UncleBush.jpg

[Ben_n_austin]

http://members.aol.com/lupinaccim/UncleBush.jpg


lol... love the propaganda.

[BrAinPaiNt]

lol... love the propaganda.

Well the other stuff is complete conspiracy nut bag stuff.

However the reason behind that picture is pretty accurate.

Less than a year after the 9-11 attacks bush stated that Bin Laden was no longer a priority and he was not worried about him.