Anyone interested in a "JUSTICE LEAGUE" film?

[HTownCowboysFan]

I'm not.

But this is what Warner Bros. is trying to shove down our throats for a summer '09 tentpole. The issue is that writers strike which is looming and studios are scrambling to get their eggs in a row before it happens.

I think this is a trainwreck waiting to happen -- especially since it will have Batman (not Christian Bale and not the "same Batman," if you will) in it and we're right in the middle of the Chris Nolan-directed Bat-trilogy.

Just wanted to know what the "mainstream" thinks to I can give Warners hell each time they call! ;) :starspin

[Rack Bauer]

I'm all for it. Can't wait till it's done.


Although it seems dumb to not have Bale in the role of Batman.



When is the new batman coming out anyway?

[Crown Royal]

No. I didn't read any of the DC comics, but the idea of a "Justice League" always seemed silly and childish to me.

[Rack Bauer]

No. I didn't read any of the DC comics, but the idea of a "Justice League" always seemed silly and childish to me.

We're talking about a comic book, dude. They're all silly and childish. It's just a matter of whether or not you're in to that sort of thing.


:D

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing it. When I was a kid, the Justice League was about the only comic book that I read. After all, they did X-Men.

[mr.jameswoods]

I've been collecting comics for 22 years so I'm always open to anything that can bring comics-related material to the big screen. The upcoming Justice League movie will have some neat perks like seeing the Flash and Green Lantern. Even as bad as it will be, at least it will be fun to see them bring characters to real life. However, just as in sports, I'm no homer and a lot of the recent comics-related films have been terrible in my opinion namely Superman Returns.

[Danny White]

I heard that it might include the Wonder Twins... is that true?

If so, it can't be anything more than a disastrous farce.


FWIW I heard that Jake and Maggie Gyllenhall were being considered for the WT.

[mr.jameswoods]

The new Batman is coming out next June. It will star Heath Ledger as the Joker. I've seen a photo of him as the Joker and he looks much more like a deranged serial killer with makeup than a clown. The new film will be very good.

[the kid 05]

I'm still waiting on spawn 2 and punisher 2 :(

[Mavs Man]

That would be friggin' awesome...

...except that Bale and Routh won't be in it. So, ehh...

[joseephuss]

I'm still waiting on spawn 2 and punisher 2 :(

Really? Spawn was good, but The Punisher has had two movie incarnations and I thought both were average at best.

I would not mind a Justice League, but it isn't something I see as a must. While I enjoyed the X-Men movies, sometimes it is easier to focus on fewer characters. Plus the X-Men started as a group. That was their identity. The Justice League are better known as individuals that happened to form a group. I would rather see a Flash movie or Green Lantern movie than them in the Justice League.

[DallasEast]

I've been collecting comics for 22 years so I'm always open to anything that can bring comics-related material to the big screen. The upcoming Justice League movie will have some neat perks like seeing the Flash and Green Lantern. Even as bad as it will be, at least it will be fun to see them bring characters to real life. However, just as in sports, I'm no homer and a lot of the recent comics-related films have been terrible in my opinion namely Superman Returns.
I'm glad that I wasn't the only one out there who was disappointed in Superman Returns. After the introduction of special effects in The Matrix movies, I was geared up to be blown away by SR, but wasn't.

I'm interested in seeing DC finally put out a big screen hit that's doesn't have Batman in its title. Even with movies like Hulk and Electra not making the grade, the Marvel adaptations have been very entertaining for me, mostly.

I wonder who would play WONDER Woman? If it's someone with Lynda Carter's (70's) bod and Lucy (Xena) Lawless' acting aura (sure, she's not the best actress out there, but I love her anyway), that would be a great combination. Whoever's making the film better not do some stupid typecasting like Reese Witherspoon for the Amazon Princess. :cool:

[BrAinPaiNt]

Never cared for the justice league. But I was also not a big fan of DC Comics for the most part.

Always was a marvel guy. I have always liked the X-Men and the Avengers. Well they already have the X-Men movies, they are still doing the finishing touches on the Iron Man movie (he was an avenger)...kind of like to see what they could do with Vision from the Avengers.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm glad that I wasn't the only one out there who was disappointed in Superman Returns. After the introduction of special effects in The Matrix movies, I was geared up to be blown away by SR, but wasn't.

I'm interested in seeing DC finally put out a big screen hit that's doesn't have Batman in its title. Even with movies like Hulk and Electra not making the grade, the Marvel adaptations have been very entertaining for me, mostly.

I wonder who would play WONDER Woman? If it's someone with Lynda Carter's (70's) bod and Lucy (Xena) Lawless' acting aura (sure, she's not the best actress out there, but I love her anyway), that would be a great combination. Whoever's making the film better not do some stupid typecasting like Reese Witherspoon for the Amazon Princess. :cool:

I thought Superman returns was flat out terrible.

I thought all of the batman movies, except this last one, was terrible.

Liked the X-Men movie. Thought the Hulk movie was so bad I wish the hulk would have destroyed, smashed anyone associated with the movie.

Electra and Daredevil were terrible as well. At least Electra looked nice and the villains were kind of cool.

Looking forward to see what the Wolverine movie will be like.

[the kid 05]

Really? Spawn was good, but The Punisher has had two movie incarnations and I thought both were average at best.

yah i loved the spawn movie (live action, animated were cool too thought!) and the recent punisher with Thomas Jane was cool and was a good introductory movie.

Edit: Punisher 2 wont have thomas jane in it! some dude named Ray Stevenson. its due out in 2008

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0450314/maindetails


Looking forward to see what the Wolverine movie will be like.

wolverine has to be awesome, any word on the magneto movie?

[DallasEast]

I thought Superman returns was flat out terrible.

I thought all of the batman movies, except this last one, was terrible.

Liked the X-Men movie. Thought the Hulk movie was so bad I wish the hulk would have destroyed, smashed anyone associated with the movie.

Electra and Daredevil were terrible as well. At least Electra looked nice and the villains were kind of cool.

Looking forward to see what the Wolverine movie will be like.
I got to agree with you about SR. Bryan Singer could have brought some of his X-Men touch to this film, but he decided to go with the same theme as the original Superman movies, which were too over the top (even though I do give Superman II props for being the best of the bunch).

The original Batman was pretty good, imo. Nicholson as the Joker was great casting. My favorite line from the movie remains, "How can a guy dressed as a bat gets all my press??? This town needs an enema!!!" :laugh1:

The X-Men flicks aren't at the very top of my best superhero movies list (Spider-Man I & II sit very comfortably at #1 & #2, followed closely by Batman Begins at #3), but all three are in my Top 10 or 15 (I'll have to update my list LOL).

Can't blame you about The Hulk. Ang Lee (sp?) made a very chaotic looking movie. It didn't flow well at all. Connelly and Bana pretty much sleepwalked through the whole movie. The action was pretty good though.

Unfortunately, Electra missed the mark, which is too bad because Jennifer Garner was perfect casting for the lead role. I disagree about DareDevil. My first thoughts before seeing the movie was that Ben Affleck would mangle the character (which is one of the best Marvel characters ever created), but he did a fantastic job, imo. The movie's low key, which I think was an asset for me liking it so well.

I'm nervous about any Wolverine movie hitting the big screen. Wolvie's one of my all-time Top 5 comic book characters and the last thing that I want to see is for some director to crap up his image. Hugh Jackman has done a great job of translating the character in the X-Men movies, but with a lot of restrictions. Wolverine is a beast and it's way past time that he was let loose on the movie-going public. You got that, bub? :)

[joseephuss]

yah i loved the spawn movie (live action, animated were cool too thought!) and the recent punisher with Thomas Jane was cool and was a good introductory movie.

Edit: Punisher 2 wont have thomas jane in it! some dude named Ray Stevenson. its due out in 2008

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0450314/maindetails



wolverine has to be awesome, any word on the magneto movie?

Ray Stevenson was one of the lead actors in the HBO series Rome. He was Titus Pullo and did a good job in that role.

An Iron Fist movie will come out in 2008 and Luke Cage a.k.a. Powerman will come out in 2009. They are a couple of 2nd tier Marvel characters, so I was surprised to find out they were getting movies.

[Crown Royal]

Super Man Returns: They nailed the casting of Superman, I thought. I was very pleased with Routh. At first I hated the casting of Lois Lane, but I think it worked in the end (although they could have done better). Kevin Spacey was the perfect Luther. The look and feel of the movie was perfect.

The problem is that the script was completely subpar, and a crappy knockoff of the first one's formula. I wasn't happy with Singer's treatment - he tried to make it too emotional. Emotion is good, but I wanted to see Superman, not a romance.


Batman Begins has set a new benchmark for comic book adaptations. It is far better than any other in my opinion.

Spawn was very B-Movie Script, A-Movie Budget, but it worked out OK.

I actually LOVED the new punisher. It never felt like a comic book.

X-Men one was perfect in that it marked a return of the genre very well. I am one of the few that didn't care too much for the second one - it was too much a departure from the comic books. I am also one of the few that really enjoyed the third - after two cerebral movies capturing the soul and message of the comic, I was excited to see some arse whooping.

SpiderMan 1 - Really good, but already looked like a Sam Raimi film. 2 - Pretty good, but still had some of the camp. 3 - Fatal Disaster. Kind of knew it would be when you counted the number of villains and story lines.

Hulk - I get caught in a trap about the Hulk. I think I saw what they were trying to do with it, so I enjoyed it. But after watching once or twice again, I think I understand that just because I get where they were going, they didn't succeed, so it is less enjoyable. Still, I enjoyed the overall feel.

DareDevil - Crap.

[theogt]

No. I didn't read any of the DC comics, but the idea of a "Justice League" always seemed silly and childish to me.What he said. This is going to be dumb.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I must be one of the few that just thought the spider man movies were VERY over rated. Just did not care for them much at all. However to be fair I was never a big fan of the Spiderman Comics.

[the kid 05]

I must be one of the few that just thought the spider man movies were VERY over rated. Just did not care for them much at all. However to be fair I was never a big fan of the Spiderman Comics.

**high five**

i thought they were too. nothing to special about them

[Crown Royal]

I must be one of the few that just thought the spider man movies were VERY over rated. Just did not care for them much at all. However to be fair I was never a big fan of the Spiderman Comics.


I don't disagree. The first two were decent, but not great.

[DallasEast]

I must be one of the few that just thought the spider man movies were VERY over rated. Just did not care for them much at all. However to be fair I was never a big fan of the Spiderman Comics.

**high five**

i thought they were too. nothing to special about them

I don't disagree. The first two were decent, but not great.
I guess I'm coming from across the aisle as Roger Ebert on this topic.

The expenses of marriage and fatherhood put the big squeeze on my comic book buying. Still, I have literally thousands of them (mostly in storage). DC and Marvel were my main favorites.

In regards to the first two Spider-Man movies, Sam Raimi nailed every character he put on the screen. It's like he cut them out of the books themselves and pasted them in each movie. The theme, feel and continuity of both movies are carbon copies of the books. That's my interpretation of a great comic book adaptation--namely, how well can the director mimic the book on the big screen successfully. I would call Raimi a genius, but his third picture was so contrived that he lost a big chunk of respect from me. He should have quit after number two.

Nolan's rendition of the Dark Knight in Batman Begins is the only movie on the same level as Raimi's first two movies in my opinion. I stood and applauded the movie at its end. Great, great work which I hope that Nolan will carry over and/or improve upon in his sequel.

[ChldsPlay]

Man, how could you people like the Spawn movie. That was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Badly acted, badly scripted, bad everything. The only thing that was halfway decent were the FX, for the time anyway. Now they would suck.

[Black Bantam 74]

Man, how could you people like the Spawn movie.


http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/v/viol8r2.jpg
Any more questions?

[mr.jameswoods]

The Hulk movie was a disaster but it should have been amazing. The film was based on Peter David's rendition of the Hulk implying that Banner was affected as a child which woud have enabled him to survive being doused by Gamma rays and the Hulk is psychodynamically inspired. That's much more interesting than a wimpy scientist being bombarded with Gamma rays and surviving for unknown reasons. I thought the film was well cast too. The problem with the film was Ang Lee's horrible directing and the use of a CGI Hulk and the lack of a villain.

[mr.jameswoods]

I'm glad that I wasn't the only one out there who was disappointed in Superman Returns. After the introduction of special effects in The Matrix movies, I was geared up to be blown away by SR, but wasn't.

I'm interested in seeing DC finally put out a big screen hit that's doesn't have Batman in its title. Even with movies like Hulk and Electra not making the grade, the Marvel adaptations have been very entertaining for me, mostly.

I wonder who would play WONDER Woman? If it's someone with Lynda Carter's (70's) bod and Lucy (Xena) Lawless' acting aura (sure, she's not the best actress out there, but I love her anyway), that would be a great combination. Whoever's making the film better not do some stupid typecasting like Reese Witherspoon for the Amazon Princess. :cool:

What's up East'

Did you have a chance to watch the animated Superman Doomsday? I saw it; when you see it, give me your take on it. Joss Whedon is no longer tagged to direct the film. Whedon had Carisma Carpenter of Buffy' fame high on his list. Since Whedon has been removed, the search starts all over. I do know that everyone wants to pay homage to Lynda Carter so all the nominees that I've heard is a brunette and many are ethnic or have some type of mixed heritage to provide the exotic look that capture an Amazonian

[DallasEast]

What's up East'

Did you have a chance to watch the animated Superman Doomsday? I saw it; when you see it, give me your take on it. Joss Whedon is no longer tagged to direct the film. Whedon had Carisma Carpenter of Buffy' fame high on his list. Since Whedon has been removed, the search starts all over. I do know that everyone wants to pay homage to Lynda Carter so all the nominees that I've heard is a brunette and many are ethnic or have some type of mixed heritage to provide the exotic look that capture an Amazonian
Funny that you would ask, JW. After taking my wife out to eat yesterday afternoon, I hit several stores looking for a copy of Doomsday, but didn't have much luck. Looking for a copy almost made me miss the start of LSU/Florida. Man, I was po'd! :D I may order it online if I can't find it locally, but when I do watch it, I'll give you my take.

I'm a big Buffy fan, so I wouldn't have mind seeing Charisma cast as WW, but I'm not so sure she would've had the acting chops to pull off the character. I really liked how where WB took the WW character in the animated JL/JLU series and hoped that someone could adopt a similar characterization in a live action film.

If they do go ethnic for the Amazonian angle, I'm cool with the idea AS LONG AS it's not Jennifer Lopez. Please don't let it be J Lo. The producers would try to work in a romantic sub-plot between her and Batman or something. Yuck. :) Monica Bellucci has the skill and body to pull it off, but it's a safer bet that someone younger will land the role. Rosario Dawson might be a stretch... Paz Vega popped into my mind, too...

[mr.jameswoods]

Funny that you would ask, JW. After taking my wife out to eat yesterday afternoon, I hit several stores looking for a copy of Doomsday, but didn't have much luck. Looking for a copy almost made me miss the start of LSU/Florida. Man, I was po'd! :D I may order it online if I can't find it locally, but when I do watch it, I'll give you my take.

I'm a big Buffy fan, so I wouldn't have mind seeing Charisma cast as WW, but I'm not so sure she would've had the acting chops to pull off the character. I really liked how where WB took the WW character in the animated JL/JLU series and hoped that someone could adopt a similar characterization in a live action film.

If they do go ethnic for the Amazonian angle, I'm cool with the idea AS LONG AS it's not Jennifer Lopez. Please don't let it be J Lo. The producers would try to work in a romantic sub-plot between her and Batman or something. Yuck. :) Monica Bellucci has the skill and body to pull it off, but it's a safer bet that someone younger will land the role. Rosario Dawson might be a stretch... Paz Vega popped into my mind, too...

I almost bought it myself but I read bad reviews so I saw it on Netflix and I'm glad I didn't buy it but it was still entertaining. Check out Target if you haven't already. They usually have multiple copies because its more expensive. Wal-Mart sells out pretty fast. No i don't think they will choose J-LO. :) I think they were thinking more along the lines of Kelly Hu. I would have liked Charisma Carpenter too because I too am a fun of Joss Whedon's work.

[DallasEast]

I almost bought it myself but I read bad reviews so I saw it on Netflix and I'm glad I didn't buy it but it was still entertaining. Check out Target if you haven't already. They usually have multiple copies because its more expensive. Wal-Mart sells out pretty fast. No i don't think they will choose J-LO. :) I think they were thinking more along the lines of Kelly Hu. I would have liked Charisma Carpenter too because I too am a fun of Joss Whedon's work.
Thanks for the heads up. I totally forgot about Target yesterday.

Kelly Hu, huh? Interesting choice. I wouldn't mind seeing her in another comic adaptation after the way her Lady Deathstrike character was offed in X2. Her character was kicking some Wolverine butt before she bit the bullet. Mind you, I didn't want her to win the fight, but the way she was killed off was just wrong. :)

[mr.jameswoods]

I must be one of the few that just thought the spider man movies were VERY over rated. Just did not care for them much at all. However to be fair I was never a big fan of the Spiderman Comics.

I understand your view point. I didn't think the Spiderman films were that entertaining since they were practically a direct copy of the Ultimate Spiderman comics and the plots were too predictable. That being said, the first 2 films were extremely well made. The films were character driven which was a first for a comic themed film with the exception of the first Superman movie. That's why they were so well received. However, I agree that they could be a tad bit boring (this is also another reason I enjoyed Superman II much more than the original because you need that slight bit of cheese)

Superman Returns was a disaster and I'm suprised it wasn't received more harshly. It was just a bad knock off of the original set according to modern times. I love Kevin Spacey and I thought he would bring something new to the character and make him more deadly. Instead, I felt Spacey was doing his best Gene Hackman impersonation. Brandon Routh was a statue the entire film and brought no sense of character or humanity. He was a Christopher Reeve look-alike without the soul Reeve portrayed. And then Kate Bosworth looked far too young to portray a seasoned and sophisticated reporter for the comic's version of the New York Times. For petesake, she was playing a high school girl in Who Wants to Meet Tad Hamilton just a year earlier.

[Crown Royal]

The Hulk movie was a disaster but it should have been amazing. The film was based on Peter David's rendition of the Hulk implying that Banner was affected as a child which woud have enabled him to survive being doused by Gamma rays and the Hulk is psychodynamically inspired. That's much more interesting than a wimpy scientist being bombarded with Gamma rays and surviving for unknown reasons. I thought the film was well cast too. The problem with the film was Ang Lee's horrible directing and the use of a CGI Hulk and the lack of a villain.



My take exactly. I love the theory of the movie, I just don't think it was executed properly. I am not a Hulk fan, but the idea behind the movie was very good.

[Mavs Man]

My take exactly. I love the theory of the movie, I just don't think it was executed properly. I am not a Hulk fan, but the idea behind the movie was very good.

In spite of the goofy CGI Hulk and the odd directing style, what finally did it for me was the ultra-mega-bad-guy-evil-genie that Nick Nolte turned into with ultimate powers. Ooooookay.

[DallasEast]

Well, JW, Superman/Doomsday was interesting, to say the least.

Doomsday himself was protrayed very accurately--namely, a pure, cold-blooded killing machine. I take my hat off to the producer in that regard.

Kal-El was done very well too, but they could've drawn him a little less chiseled. It made him look more 50's ish or Roger Kirby like.

I really liked what they did with the Luthor character. Brilliant, yet psychotic. What he did to Mercy was an unexpected, but refreshing twist.

Both Lane's and Martha Kent's characters were a bit subdued for my tastes.

Olsen, Perry and the rest were okay to borderline.

The action was first-rate. Heck, it was light years ahead of Superman Returns in my opinion. Superman hadn't flexed his muscles that well on video since the final episode of JLU in Destroyer.

Overall, I enjoyed the direction the movie took, but it did get away from the classic story. Superman vs. Doomsday was too short a fight for my tastes. The absence of other heroes from the original story was a huge departure which I didn't like, but it was done well enough. Finally, the death scene was done far better in the book itself.

All in all, I'll give the movie a solid B-.

[DallasEast]

In spite of the goofy CGI Hulk and the odd directing style, what finally did it for me was the ultra-mega-bad-guy-evil-genie that Nick Nolte turned into with ultimate powers. Ooooookay.Even though I didn't like the movie very well, I'm one of the few fans of the character who enjoyed Lee's use of the CGI Hulk. The very last thing I wanted to see was another Lou Ferrigmo (sp?) type selling me 'THE HULK'. In fact, the CGI Hulk was the only thing which mimicked the comic book character to a T.

[HTownCowboysFan]

Nolan's rendition of the Dark Knight in Batman Begins is the only movie on the same level as Raimi's first two movies in my opinion. I stood and applauded the movie at its end. Great, great work which I hope that Nolan will carry over and/or improve upon in his sequel.

The sequel is going to blow BEGINS out of the water -- and that's saying A LOT.

Of course, WB is undermining Nolan by including Batman (different version, different actor) in this JL film. Consequently, I'm afraid that Nolan, Bale and co. may walk after TDK.

[Crown Royal]

So is this JLA nonsense going to happen, or is it speculation? I can't imagine a worse idea.

[DallasEast]

The sequel is going to blow BEGINS out of the water -- and that's saying A LOT.

Of course, WB is undermining Nolan by including Batman (different version, different actor) in this JL film. Consequently, I'm afraid that Nolan, Bale and co. may walk after TDK.I'm really looking forward to the sequel. His protrayal of Bruce Wayne was even better than his acting as Batman in parts of the original movie, imo. One thing about DC and Marvel is that a good portion of the DC heroes have civilian alter egos and Bruce Wayne is one of the most complex of that comic universe. Bale version of Wayne was :hammer: .

That's the thing about Warner Brothers. They don't know a good thing when they have it and are constantly meddling in the directors'/producers' creativity. That's probably one of the reasons why there have been so few projects involving DC comic movie adaptations presented to WB in the past. No one wants to deal with their drama.

[DallasEast]

So is this JLA nonsense going to happen, or is it speculation? I can't imagine a worse idea.You're showing your age. :) The 'A' or 'America' in 'JLA' was dropped years ago. DC eventually found it too restrictive a title and went with the more universal sounding 'Justice League' instead. Good thing too. JLA kept reminding me of the SuperFriends way too often! :bang2:

[joseephuss]

I pay per viewed Superman Doomsday a couple of weeks ago. I thought it was alright. I never read the Death of Superman, so I could not base it against that.

The face on Supes was weird. Looked like he had mumps or something.

Isn't there going to be a Teen Titans movie? That seems like a smarter move. Lesser known characters with more of a team feel. Easier to pull off than using a bunch of well known, big name characters thrown together. Justice League works well as a 30 minute cartoon series. I don't think it would make a good movie.

[Crown Royal]

You're showing your age. :) The 'A' or 'America' in 'JLA' was dropped years ago. DC eventually found it too restrictive a title and went with the more universal sounding 'Justice League' instead. Good thing too. JLA kept reminding me of the SuperFriends way too often! :bang2:


My age? I'm 24....:p:

Justice League is still a silly name and a silly concept.

[joseephuss]

My age? I'm 24....:p:

Justice League is still a silly name and a silly concept.

You look older in your photo. Stay out of the sun man. :D

[Crown Royal]

You look older in your photo. Stay out of the sun man. :D


A pox on you for not knowing Hoggle.

[DallasEast]

I pay per viewed Superman Doomsday a couple of weeks ago. I thought it was alright. I never read the Death of Superman, so I could not base it against that.

The face on Supes was weird. Looked like he had mumps or something.

Isn't there going to be a Teen Titans movie? That seems like a smarter move. Lesser known characters with more of a team feel. Easier to pull off than using a bunch of well known, big name characters thrown together. Justice League works well as a 30 minute cartoon series. I don't think it would make a good movie.All I can say is, BUY the graphic novel of the Death of Superman storyline. Believe me, it is well worth the price. I have the original issues sealed for all prosperity.

I commented about the way Superman was drawn also. Maybe they were going for a unique look for him than what has previously been seen in other animated series, movies, etc. It should be noted that they also altered Luthor's image from previous works and the way Toyman was drawn was a huge departure from the norm..

You got me about the Teen Titans movie. If it is made, hopefully it'll be live action and not animated. The current animated series is cartoonie to the bone. Back in the late 80's, The New Teen Titans title was as big as they came with Raven as one of the central characters. If they decided to do the Raven storyline, which was one of the top 35 comic sagas imo, I would be instantly interested in seeing it.

[DallasEast]

My age? I'm 24....:p:

Justice League is still a silly name and a silly concept.
I agree. The title has been around for decades as early as the 50's I believe. What's corny now was probably very fashionable back then. I have a number of issues from JLA from the 70's that weren't half bad and the title was quite apt for its stories.

It's funny. In one of the episodes of JL (I believe in one of the Secret Origins pilots), The Flash made an sarcastic remark of Justice League sounding like a baseball team. I'll have to check that out. I bought the complete series, JL & JLU, on DVD a while back. :p:

[joseephuss]

All I can say is, BUY the graphic novel of the Death of Superman storyline. Believe me, it is well worth the price. I have the original issues sealed for all prosperity.

I commented about the way Superman was drawn also. Maybe they were going for a unique look for him than what has previously been seen in other animated series, movies, etc. It should be noted that they also altered Luthor's image from previous works and the way Toyman was drawn was a huge departure from the norm..

You got me about the Teen Titans movie. If it is made, hopefully it'll be live action and not animated. The current animated series is cartoonie to the bone. Back in the late 80's, The New Teen Titans title was as big as they came with Raven as one of the central characters. If they decided to do the Raven storyline, which was one of the top 35 comic sagas imo, I would be instantly interested in seeing it.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=41703

[DallasEast]

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=41703
Wow! Thanks!

This could be good! But I vote no to a lineup of "Kid Flash, Aqualad, Wonder Girl and Speedy" and yes to Robin, Cyborg, Starfire, Raven and Beast Boy/Changling. In The New Teen Titans comic, Robin changed to Nightwing after the series began. He didn't come to the group as Nightwing, so the movie should do the same, imo.

I somewhat hated how they remade the Phoenix character in X3:Last Stand. They toned her character down from a cosmic scale seen in the original comic. Hopefully, WB will allow Raven's character to be unchained in every aspect.

[mr.jameswoods]

Well, JW, Superman/Doomsday was interesting, to say the least.

Doomsday himself was protrayed very accurately--namely, a pure, cold-blooded killing machine. I take my hat off to the producer in that regard.

Kal-El was done very well too, but they could've drawn him a little less chiseled. It made him look more 50's ish or Roger Kirby like.

I really liked what they did with the Luthor character. Brilliant, yet psychotic. What he did to Mercy was an unexpected, but refreshing twist.

Both Lane's and Martha Kent's characters were a bit subdued for my tastes.

Olsen, Perry and the rest were okay to borderline.

The action was first-rate. Heck, it was light years ahead of Superman Returns in my opinion. Superman hadn't flexed his muscles that well on video since the final episode of JLU in Destroyer.

Overall, I enjoyed the direction the movie took, but it did get away from the classic story. Superman vs. Doomsday was too short a fight for my tastes. The absence of other heroes from the original story was a huge departure which I didn't like, but it was done well enough. Finally, the death scene was done far better in the book itself.

All in all, I'll give the movie a solid B-.

I wasn't a fan of the animation. I know they were going for chiseled but it just looked like he had dirt on his face. Lois Lane looked Asian. Loved the Luthor. I actually think the Luthor in this film was better than the animated series. I liked the way they depicted Toyman. He was drawn to look like a perverted overgrown child. It made him much creepier looking. I wish they would have shown Doomsday beating up the Outsiders and it would have been neat to include the other Supermen. I'm critical but I'm giving it a C. My favorite part was the Fortress of Solitude and the robots. That kicked a#% in my opinon.

[mr.jameswoods]

Wow! Thanks!

This could be good! But I vote no to a lineup of "Kid Flash, Aqualad, Wonder Girl and Speedy" and yes to Robin, Cyborg, Starfire, Raven and Beast Boy/Changling. In The New Teen Titans comic, Robin changed to Nightwing after the series began. He didn't come to the group as Nightwing, so the movie should do the same, imo.

I somewhat hated how they remade the Phoenix character in X3:Last Stand. They toned her character down from a cosmic scale seen in the original comic. Hopefully, WB will allow Raven's character to be unchained in every aspect.

Yeah, I knew about the Teen Titan movie but I'm excited about the lineup. They are going for the Marv Wolfman comics of the 80's as opposed to the anime-like Teen Titans on the current cartoon series.

I liked what they did to Phoenix. In a real life movie, the cosmic scale Phoenix would have looked cheesy and been remniscient of the FF movies. The depowered Phoenix fit much more into the "real-life" theme of the X-men. I liked how the Phoenix was a split persona that she had kept reserved. It was a neat explanation.

just my 2 cents

[mr.jameswoods]

The sequel is going to blow BEGINS out of the water -- and that's saying A LOT.

Of course, WB is undermining Nolan by including Batman (different version, different actor) in this JL film. Consequently, I'm afraid that Nolan, Bale and co. may walk after TDK.

I understand what WB is doing. The Nolan inspired Batman is similar to what the X-Men films were trying to accomplish. They were trying to stay within the confines of reality as best they could without going too far into the fantasy realm. That same Batman would not work in a Justice League type of setting because they would have to create Nolan inspired Justice Leagure heroes which would clash with the realism of Batman Begins. And you can really do realism with Justice League. It's more on the kids/fantasy level so it needs to be more avante garde with bright costumes and the superhero element as opposed to a dark element.

[DallasEast]

I wasn't a fan of the animation. I know they were going for chiseled but it just looked like he had dirt on his face. Lois Lane looked Asian. Loved the Luthor. I actually think the Luthor in this film was better than the animated series. I liked the way they depicted Toyman. He was drawn to look like a perverted overgrown child. It made him much creepier looking. I wish they would have shown Doomsday beating up the Outsiders and it would have been neat to include the other Supermen. I'm critical but I'm giving it a C. My favorite part was the Fortress of Solitude and the robots. That kicked a#% in my opinon.The animation was fairly equal to that of the animated series of JL, Superman, etc, so I didn't mind it too much. I'm like you about how Superman's face was drawn. It was necessary to alter him that much.

Agreed about Lane. Her voice actress inflections had to grow on me too. Agree about Luther too. Toyman creeped me completely out. His characterization completely matched the tone of the movie, but I prefer the Toyman psycho from the Superman/JL/JLU series more.

I would have preferred that Doomsday had battled the JL as he had in the books before facing Superman. The Supermen would've been a nice touch, but their inclusion would've probably made the movie run a bit longer. It would've taken a good 5-10 minutes to properly introduce the Steel character alone, imo. The cloned Superboy and the cyborg Superman would've been great to watch, though.

If they ever do a part two, I wonder if they'll bring in the Mongol character to destroy Coast City? It would have to be made to fit this movie's timeline and placed somewhere after his death and his return to Metropolis in the black suit.

[DallasEast]

Yeah, I knew about the Teen Titan movie but I'm excited about the lineup. They are going for the Marv Wolfman comics of the 80's as opposed to the anime-like Teen Titans on the current cartoon series.

I liked what they did to Phoenix. In a real life movie, the cosmic scale Phoenix would have looked cheesy and been remniscient of the FF movies. The depowered Phoenix fit much more into the "real-life" theme of the X-men. I liked how the Phoenix was a split persona that she had kept reserved. It was a neat explanation.

just my 2 centsDon't even mention the current Teen Titans series. It has made an extreme mockery of the book. It should appeal to children since that is its primary market, but it's fashioned to the point that the children watching it are viewed as idiots. There isn't a law stating that a cartoon cannot be created intelligently.

I disagree about Phoenix. If they had displayed her in the film similar to how she was protrayed in the Phoenix/Black Queen/Hellfire Club storyline (before she attacked the Shi'ar), I think that it wouldn't have appeared to be 'too cheesy', but that's just my opinion. The altered Jean Grey was just as bad as the altered Galactus in FF:Rise of the Silver Surfer. I couldn't STAND the 'big bad cloud' explanation. :)

[HTownCowboysFan]

I understand what WB is doing. The Nolan inspired Batman is similar to what the X-Men films were trying to accomplish. They were trying to stay within the confines of reality as best they could without going too far into the fantasy realm. That same Batman would not work in a Justice League type of setting....

Question to you all posting here: Would it bother you if there was another "Batman" in this JL film, while we're right in the middle of the Nolan films? Do you think it could lead to "Batman overkill," if you will? Do you think it'd confuse the mainstream audience?

And as far as the post above, I agree. The Nolan Batman universe does not include superpowered beings, IMO. Seeing Bale milling around these walking gods, in space, battling cyborg OMACs and what-not -- can't see it.

[joseephuss]

Question to you all posting here: Would it bother you if there was another "Batman" in this JL film, while we're right in the middle of the Nolan films? Do you think it could lead to "Batman overkill," if you will? Do you think it'd confuse the mainstream audience?

And as far as the post above, I agree. The Nolan Batman universe does not include superpowered beings, IMO. Seeing Bale milling around these walking gods, in space, battling cyborg OMACs and what-not -- can't see it.

It would not bother me. I probably would not go see a JL movie and just wait for the DVD release. I am looking forward to seeing the Dark Knight especially since I was in Chicago and saw a very small portion of the filming back in August. Plus I think Nolan and Bale really did a great job in Begins.

You are right in that some people do get confused. I have heard people not understanding that Begins was just a reboot of the character. Some thought it was a sequel to Burton's and Schumacher's movies. Weird.

[mr.jameswoods]

Don't even mention the current Teen Titans series. It has made an extreme mockery of the book. It should appeal to children since that is its primary market, but it's fashioned to the point that the children watching it are viewed as idiots. There isn't a law stating that a cartoon cannot be created intelligently.

I disagree about Phoenix. If they had displayed her in the film similar to how she was protrayed in the Phoenix/Black Queen/Hellfire Club storyline (before she attacked the Shi'ar), I think that it wouldn't have appeared to be 'too cheesy', but that's just my opinion. The altered Jean Grey was just as bad as the altered Galactus in FF:Rise of the Silver Surfer. I couldn't STAND the 'big bad cloud' explanation. :)

First of all, wouldn't that have been a kick a%$ idea to introduce the Hellfire Club...man...I agree with your take totally. I've always loved Emma Frost and Sebastian Shaw. It would have been neat to see Phoenix as a part of the Hellfire club and being manipulated. That would been a great story.

[DallasEast]

Question to you all posting here: Would it bother you if there was another "Batman" in this JL film, while we're right in the middle of the Nolan films? Do you think it could lead to "Batman overkill," if you will? Do you think it'd confuse the mainstream audience?

And as far as the post above, I agree. The Nolan Batman universe does not include superpowered beings, IMO. Seeing Bale milling around these walking gods, in space, battling cyborg OMACs and what-not -- can't see it.
For me, how it would bother me depends on how he's presented in the film. I loved Bale's rendition of Bruce Wayne, so if the JL Batman is shown as his alter ego, it would piss me off. Still, if he is only shown in his costume, AND he does as good a job as Bale did in costume, it probably wouldn't bother me very much.

At this point, I don't see it as Batman overkill at all. Right now, Batman IS the DC flagship character in the video medium. If more DC universe characters can be introduced successfully, it will all balance out in the end.

The mainstream audience will enjoy seeing a good rendition of Batman and the confusion will end there, imo.

[mr.jameswoods]

For me, how it would bother me depends on how he's presented in the film. I loved Bale's rendition of Bruce Wayne, so if the JL Batman is shown as his alter ego, it would piss me off. Still, if he is only shown in his costume, AND he does as good a job as Bale did in costume, it probably wouldn't bother me very much.

At this point, I don't see it as Batman overkill at all. Right now, Batman IS the DC flagship character in the video medium. If more DC universe characters can be introduced successfully, it will all balance out in the end.

The mainstream audience will enjoy seeing a good rendition of Batman and the confusion will end there, imo.


The reason why Batman Begins was so succesfull is that DC allowed an indie film take on it. The franchise was essentially destroyed with Clooney's "Batman and Robin". DC felt like it could take a chance because the previous formula no longer worked and it became an instant hit.

Likewise, I wish they would use a realistic approach in regards to the Justice League film if they could

[DallasEast]

The reason why Batman Begins was so succesfull is that DC allowed an indie film take on it. The franchise was essentially destroyed with Clooney's "Batman and Robin". DC felt like it could take a chance because the previous formula no longer worked and it became an instant hit.

Likewise, I wish they would use a realistic approach in regards to the Justice League film if they couldI think that you're being generous. The original Batman franchise started going downhill with the Batman Returns sequel by introducing more than one villain, Penguin AND Catwoman (who wasn't really portrayed as a villain). While Nolan was highly successful combining more than one villain in Batman Begins, Tim Burton struggled trying to do the same thing and that difficulty translated onto the screen. Michelle Pfeiffer did a fine job as Catwoman, but Danny Devito was way too far over the top as Penguin for my tastes. Plus, he didn't allow Michael Keaton the freedom to further explore his character as much as he had in the first film.

Batman Forever wasn't allowed to rebound from the slide because the whole movie was taken over the top, even though Val Kilmer did a good job as Batman imo. Jim Carrey stole his Riddler straight out of the 60's television series and Tommy Lee Jones was too psychotic at times.

By the time Arnold Schwarzenegger was flinging gosh darn awful one-liners in Batman & Robin, the damage was done. It's too bad, because the franchise started out as gangbusters and the original Batman will forever be a classic in my book.

[Yeagermeister]

Question to you all posting here: Would it bother you if there was another "Batman" in this JL film, while we're right in the middle of the Nolan films? Do you think it could lead to "Batman overkill," if you will? Do you think it'd confuse the mainstream audience?

And as far as the post above, I agree. The Nolan Batman universe does not include superpowered beings, IMO. Seeing Bale milling around these walking gods, in space, battling cyborg OMACs and what-not -- can't see it.

Since I didn't care for Begins and won't see the new one until it's out on cable it won't bother me. I won't pay to see JL either.

JMHO

[HTownCowboysFan]

Since I didn't care for Begins and won't see the new one until it's out on cable....

Really? What didn't you like about BEGINS? Not a comic book guy? I'm telling you, you may be doing yourself an injustice by skipping THE DARK KNIGHT -- it's going to be an unbelievable film. I spent a day on the set and what Ledger's doing with The Joker, MAN!

[Yeagermeister]

Really? What didn't you like about BEGINS? Not a comic book guy? I'm telling you, you may be doing yourself an injustice by skipping THE DARK KNIGHT -- it's going to be an unbelievable film. I spent a day on the set and what Ledger's doing with The Joker, MAN!

No I'm/was a big comic guy. I didn't like Bale. The only thing I did like was Morgan Freeman but he's one of my all time favorites anyways.

[HTownCowboysFan]

I didn't like Bale.

Dude, you're shatting me! Why. :) (You're like the only person in the world who thinks that way. ;) )

[dalboy]

I'm all for it. Can't wait till it's done.


Although it seems dumb to not have Bale in the role of Batman.



When is the new batman coming out anyway?

I heard that Batman and Superman die at the beggining of the film but thats what I heard not 100%.

[Yeagermeister]

Dude, you're shatting me! Why. :) (You're like the only person in the world who thinks that way. ;) )

I don't think he's a good actor and I know other that feel the same way. Almost everyone that I know that has seen it thought it sucked.

And I'm ok with being the only person. I can make up my own mind on what I like and dislike.

I am probably one of the few people on the Earth that has never watched a whole episode of Seinfeld. The few pieces I have seen I didn't find funny at all.

[the kid 05]

I heard that Batman and Superman die at the beggining of the film but thats what I heard not 100%.

that has to be false, because superman has only "died" once and tha was againts that doomsday guy

[Crown Royal]

I don't think he's a good actor and I know other that feel the same way. Almost everyone that I know that has seen it thought it sucked.

And I'm ok with being the only person. I can make up my own mind on what I like and dislike.

I am probably one of the few people on the Earth that has never watched a whole episode of Seinfeld. The few pieces I have seen I didn't find funny at all.



+1 :starspin

[Kangaroo]

I'm not.

But this is what Warner Bros. is trying to shove down our throats for a summer '09 tentpole. The issue is that writers strike which is looming and studios are scrambling to get their eggs in a row before it happens.

I think this is a trainwreck waiting to happen -- especially since it will have Batman (not Christian Bale and not the "same Batman," if you will) in it and we're right in the middle of the Chris Nolan-directed Bat-trilogy.

Just wanted to know what the "mainstream" thinks to I can give Warners hell each time they call! ;) :starspin

With the poorly written garbage coming out of 90% of Hollywood these days the writers going on strike would be a blessing maybe we can get some real talent scabs in there.

[DallasEast]

I don't think he's a good actor and I know other that feel the same way. Almost everyone that I know that has seen it thought it sucked.

And I'm ok with being the only person. I can make up my own mind on what I like and dislike.

I am probably one of the few people on the Earth that has never watched a whole episode of Seinfeld. The few pieces I have seen I didn't find funny at all.

+1 :starspin
Add me to that list.

[Rack Bauer]

I don't think he's a good actor and I know other that feel the same way. Almost everyone that I know that has seen it thought it sucked.

And I'm ok with being the only person. I can make up my own mind on what I like and dislike.

I am probably one of the few people on the Earth that has never watched a whole episode of Seinfeld. The few pieces I have seen I didn't find funny at all.

:hammer:

I've never watched a complete episode. I'd say I've watched about 2 continuous minutes (Max) of that show. I hated that show.