OT: Chargers trade for Chambers.

[Zman5]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3066210

[smarta5150]

wow

Not a bad move.

[thekavorka]

good move by San Diego.

Wonder what Miami got.

[CrazyCowboy]

that was smart.....very smart move

[superpunk]

And the Chargers continue to stockpile average receivers. :lmao2:

Nice job drafting Davis in the first round.

[Zman5]

It's really good since Chambers played for Norv when he was their OC few years back.

[REDVOLUTION]

To take a page out of Parcell's book....

Options.... I like options...


And then a page out of Belichicks book -
Look what New England did... they loaded up on Wide Receivers... worked out well...


Thing is.... no one in Dallas should feel safe about their starting job.... if someone is available.... lets have a look see...


Keenan McCardell should be brought in.... even if only to ruffle feathers....
on the field he can bring that Vet leadership and prob intangible things like... I dunno, get position on a DB and make a play... who knows

[slick325]

Nice move by the Bolts.

[theogt]

And the Chargers continue to stockpile average receivers. :lmao2:

Nice job drafting Davis in the first round.Yeah, that was pretty dumb. As was Indy drafting Gonzalez in the first.

[ndanger]

To take a page out of Parcell's book....

Options.... I like options...


And then a page out of Belichicks book -
Look what New England did... they loaded up on Wide Receivers... worked out well...


Thing is.... no one in Dallas should feel safe about their starting job.... if someone is available.... lets have a look see...


Keenan McCardell should be brought in.... even if only to ruffle feathers....
on the field he can bring that Vet leadership and prob intangible things like... I dunno, get position on a DB and make a play... who knows

Keenan now plays for the Redskins.

[rickytickycamaro]

Keenan now plays for the Redskins.
The Dolphins are in a rebuilding mode, with the draft picks that we have for next year, we should go after Jason Taylor. He would be similar to what we did in getting Charles Haley from the 49ers. A hungry veteran (last years defensive MVP. Imagine, Ware on one side, Jason on the other.

[ndanger]

The Dolphins are in a rebuilding mode, with the draft picks that we have for next year, we should go after Jason Taylor. He would be similar to what we did in getting Charles Haley from the 49ers. A hungry veteran (last years defensive MVP. Imagine, Ware on one side, Jason on the other.

At this point in time I could probably live with that.

[proline]

She's very old and washed up.

[Chocolate Lab]

And the Chargers continue to stockpile average receivers. :lmao2:

I thought I was the only one not seeing the brilliance in this move for SD.

I think AJ Smith is just desperate to save his sinking ship.

[miamicowboy21]

Yeah im all for getting taylor now. Chambers was going to go after this season for sure, but he went for a second. Miami wasn't going to settle for anything less than a first for taylor.

[superpunk]

I thought I was the only one not seeing the brilliance in this move for SD.

I think AJ Smith is just desperate to save his sinking ship.

I'd love to see what Miami got. Basically, they just traded Brandon Lloyd to the Chargers. Rivers continues to falter, Smith has to do something, I guess.

[Chocolate Lab]

I'd love to see what Miami got. Basically, they just traded Brandon Lloyd to the Chargers. Rivers continues to falter, Smith has to do something, I guess.

Second rounder is what I read on another board. (Oops, and from miamicowboy just above.)

[REDVOLUTION]

The Dolphins are in a rebuilding mode, with the draft picks that we have for next year, we should go after Jason Taylor. He would be similar to what we did in getting Charles Haley from the 49ers. A hungry veteran (last years defensive MVP. Imagine, Ware on one side, Jason on the other.


Why not trade for him now?

He wanted to be our team when we played him a few weeks ago LOL



Keenan now plays for the Redskins.

Thanks. I am not even sure if I vaguely remember that happening

[superpunk]

Second rounder is what I read on another board. (Oops, and from miamicowboy just above.)

Not bad.

The one plus for SD is that there will be very little adjustment time for Chambers considering he's already in the Turner offense with the same calls. He can hop in, and go right back to being the mediocre receiver he's always been!

[bbailey423]

I am hearing that that they gave up a 2nd....if so that was incredibly stupid..especially since they would have to get through Pitt/Indy/NE to make it to the Super Bowl. I would not have wanted Dallas to do that either...but we can make it to the Super Bowl without him...but to win a Super Bowl we are going to need a healthy Glenn or a Chris Chambers type player...but not at the expense of a 2nd round pick

[aikemirv]

I really love the way you guys devalue guys around the league. The Chargers just got a WR who will be the best one on their team for a second round pick which, depending on where they draftmay be around the 50th pick.

They need a WR and they went out and got one.

It is a lot like how some of you did not think Plaxico was any good when the Giants got him:rolleyes:

[Wonderboyromo]

Yeah, that was pretty dumb. As was Indy drafting Gonzalez in the first.


Gonzalez will be a good one.

[superpunk]

I really love the way you guys devalue guys around the league. The Chargers just got a WR who will be the best one on their team for a second round pick which, depending on where they draftmay be around the 50th pick.

They need a WR and they went out and got one.

It is a lot like how some of you did not think Plaxico was any good when the Giants got him:rolleyes:

You should try watching 50/50 Chambers every week. :lmao2:

Vincent Jackson is far better than Chambers.

[aikemirv]

It does go to show you what a turd Antonio Bryant must be though. I mean Norv had him last year in SF and he was pretty successful and would not even touch him for free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Catch-22]

I really love the way you guys devalue guys around the league. The Chargers just got a WR who will be the best one on their team for a second round pick which, depending on where they draftmay be around the 50th pick.

They need a WR and they went out and got one.

It is a lot like how some of you did not think Plaxico was any good when the Giants got him:rolleyes:Burress didn't cost the Giants a draft pick.

Ask the Redskins how trading picks for flashy, spectacular catch receivers worked out for them.

[aikemirv]

You should try watching 50/50 Chambers every week. :lmao2:

Vincent Jackson is far better than Chambers.

Vincent Jackson.... Please....all 50 catches for 850 yards for his career... yeah right.

Chambers has 11 more catches and 100 more yards with Trent Green as QB this year - don't even try to compare those two!


I have seen Chambers play, he has been a very good WR through his career. Is he one of the top guys, absolutely not, but if you put him in a good system he will be a very valuable player.

I bet he outperforms Jackson on San Diego the rest of the year!

[aikemirv]

Burress didn't cost the Giants a draft pick.

Ask the Redskins how trading picks for flashy, spectacular catch receivers worked out for them.


I did not say he cost them a draft pick, it was just about how people portray players around here!

[superpunk]

Vincent Jackson.... Please....all 50 catches for 850 yards for his career... yeah right.

Chambers has 11 more catches and 100 more yards with Trent Green as QB this year - don't even try to compare those two!

He's also been thrown a mind-boggling 31 MORE TIMES!

You can't possibly understand unless you watch him every week. I do. I know. You can trust me on this one - he is no good. His occasional highlight reel game is dreadfully offset by his inability to be consistent. He's been thrown the ball more than any receiver in the league but Houshmanzadeh and Derrick Mason, and he has 100 more yards and 3 less TDs than freaking Vincent Jackson.

You know his name cuz you've seen him on ESPN - but you don't know his game.

[smarta5150]

Was for a 2nd round pick.

[InmanRoshi]

Chambers has been one of the league's most overrated players for some time. He's put up some extremely mediocre numbers for someone who receives a lot of attempts. I've also read reports that he's not the hardest worker or the greatest lockerroom guy, which might be another reason why Cameron wanted him gone.

[smarta5150]

Oops, we knew this.

[Hostile]

Gonzalez will be a good one.If he played for us he'd be labeled a bust already. He's only playing because Marvin Harrison is hurt.


[/sarcasm off]

[aikemirv]

He's also been thrown a mind-boggling 31 MORE TIMES!

You can't possibly understand unless you watch him every week. I do. I know. You can trust me on this one - he is no good. His occasional highlight reel game is dreadfully offset by his inability to be consistent. He's been thrown the ball more than any receiver in the league but Houshmanzadeh and Derrick Mason, and he has 100 more yards and 3 less TDs than freaking Vincent Jackson.

You know his name cuz you've seen him on ESPN - but you don't know his game.

What is that they say? "the proof is in the pudding"

Talk to me at the end of the year when Chambers is not the leading WR (not TE) for the Bolts. Before then, we can agree to disagree.

[jordan20]

I am hearing that that they gave up a 2nd....if so that was incredibly stupid..especially since they would have to get through Pitt/Indy/NE to make it to the Super Bowl. I would not have wanted Dallas to do that either...but we can make it to the Super Bowl without him...but to win a Super Bowl we are going to need a healthy Glenn or a Chris Chambers type player...but not at the expense of a 2nd round pick

I hear what you are saying but I would rather have an established receiver then draft another Carp, Rogers or Peterman in the 1st 2nd or 3rd round.

[theogt]

Gonzalez will be a good one.He'll always be a slot 3rd WR. A first on that kind of value is kinda high. They most likely could have got him with their 2nd rounder. What they really should have done was take Ugoh with their first pick and trade up about 5-10 slots to get Gonzalez with their second pick. It probably wouldn't have taken their '08 first round pick to make that trade.

[superpunk]

What is that they say? "the proof is in the pudding"

Talk to me at the end of the year when Chambers is not the leading WR (not TE) for the Bolts. Before then, we can agree to disagree.

Why can't I talk to you now, when last year Chambers didn't even lead his own team in yardage despite being thrown the ball 53 times more than Wes Welker, and 63 times more than Marty Booker - two players who beat him in yardage catching passes from the same dreadful QBs?

Oh, but I done seen some plays he made on teh Sportszcenter, so he must be good!

Trust me - it isn't so.

Here's the yards per pass attempt average for Miami's top three receivers last year.

Booker: 8.3
Welker: 6.87
Chambers: 4.42


The proof, is indeed - in the pudding.

[aikemirv]

Why can't I talk to you now, when last year Chambers didn't even lead his own team in yardage despite being thrown the ball 53 times more than Wes Welker, and 63 times more than Marty Booker - two players who beat him in yardage catching passes from the same dreadful QBs?

Oh, but I done seen some plays he made on teh Sportszcenter, so he must be good!

Trust me - it isn't so.

So I understand this thrown to stat. I know TO led the league in drops last year so I am trying to figure out why it means he should have more catches just because he is thrown to when he does not have drops to show for it. I guess they were bad passes then right, or are you saying he is running incorrect or lazy routes. Please quantify what these extra thrown to stats consist of because I know that they don't show you all the WR routes every Sunday on TV. Are you at the games to see all of his routes live?

To was thrown to, what like 9-10 times vs Buffalo and he had 3 catches - was that his fault?

[TheCount]

He'll always be a slot 3rd WR. A first on that kind of value is kinda high. They most likely could have got him with their 2nd rounder. What they really should have done was take Ugoh with their first pick and trade up about 5-10 slots to get Gonzalez with their second pick. It probably wouldn't have taken their '08 first round pick to make that trade.

Gonzalez wouldn't have survived to the 20+ pick in the 2nd, there was a lot of buzz around him, some people even considered him a better NFL prospect than his team mate, Ted Ginn.

I'm sure when Welker was drafted, people didn't expect much, but all it takes is the right system and I think any WR can develop into an impact player in the Colts system.

People thought they reached for Ugoh even where they drafted him, so taking him in the first round would have been even more ridiculous.

They made the gamble assuming their 1st pick next year would have been pretty low anyway, and it looks like it will be.

[superpunk]

So I understand this thrown to stat. I know TO led the league in drops last year so I am trying to figure out why it means he should have more catches just because he is thrown to when he does not have drops to show for it. I guess they were bad passes then right, or are you saying he is running incorrect or lazy routes. Please quantify what these extra thrown to stats consist of because I know that they don't show you all the WR routes every Sunday on TV. Are you at the games to see all of his routes live?

LOL, of course not. The wife's a Doplhins fan and we watch all their games. He struggles to get separation and make routine catches. The thrown to stat is the number of times he was targeted on a pass play - and the outrageous discrepancy between him and his teammates shows that you cannot brush that away with "his QB sucks".

I heard the same crap about Brandon Lloyd when the Skins traded for him. Turns out, he's the same receiver no matter what QB throws to him.

The same can (and will) be said for 50/50 Chambers.

[Rack Bauer]

And the Chargers continue to stockpile average receivers. :lmao2:

Nice job drafting Davis in the first round.

I agree he's an average WR.


But he's automatically the best WR in SD now.

Which tells you a lot about their WRs.

[theogt]

Gonzalez wouldn't have survived to the 20+ pick in the 2nd, there was a lot of buzz around himI simply disagree. And since I won the CowboysZone mock draft contest I have declared myself King of the Draft for the 2007 season.

People thought they reached for Ugoh even where they drafted him, so taking him in the first round would have been even more ridiculous.No one worthwhile thinks this. A first would have been a slight reach, but not as much as one as Gonzalez.

some people even considered him a better NFL prospect than his team mate, Ted Ginn.I agree that he's a better prospect than Ginn, but I think Ginn was worth about a 3rd rounder.

[Hostile]

I agree he's an average WR.


But he's automatically the best WR in SD now.

Which tells you a lot about their WRs.I actually think Gates is still their best WR, even though he's a TE.

[jimnabby]

A second-rounder for Chambers? Wow, that's a terrible trade for the Chargers.

Football Outsiders did a piece (http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2006/12/chris-chambers-the-worst-wr-in-football/) last year on why Chambers was the worst WR in the league. He may help San Diego, but not nearly enough to be worth a second rounder.

[Rack Bauer]

I actually think Gates is still their best WR, even though he's a TE.

True true.

Having Gates on that team is probably gonna make Chambers look like a good WR. All he has to do is beat single coverage.

[Joe a Cowboys fan]

Not giving away our second round pick, I will throttle anyone who attempts to trade our #1s and it better be our third and every second day picks to the skins if they even have a first rounder in the next draft. That would be a nice first day in the draft and after that I can drink beer and snooze in the sun the second day. All we really want is some good back ups. I am saying this now to avoid the rush.

[Hostile]

True true.

Having Gates on that team is probably gonna make Chambers look like a good WR. All he has to do is beat single coverage.Too bad they don't have to play us.

(Hoping you'll get the sarcastic hint.)

[Joe a Cowboys fan]

Sorry I am beyond sarcasm now. It has been a long day and this amazingly enough is a very long post.

[Chuck 54]

I would have gladly given up a 2nd for Chambers in Dallas...in a heartbeat. The guy has the speed to stretch the defense, and he's crushed us twice in the past. You have to look at Chambers a couple years ago really...WR's without QB's don't ever look very good.

Chambers would be starting for us and letting Crayton get back to what he does best, being a 3rd receiver.

[rickytickycamaro]

Yeah im all for getting taylor now. Chambers was going to go after this season for sure, but he went for a second. Miami wasn't going to settle for anything less than a first for taylor.
If we get Jason Taylor we are back on top as far as talent, Zach Thomas and him are aging but I believe that Jason Taylor has a couple of years left in the tank, with a winning team! If we want to compete against New England in the super bowl we have to make a move now!

[Rack Bauer]

I would have gladly given up a 2nd for Chambers in Dallas...in a heartbeat. The guy has the speed to stretch the defense, and he's crushed us twice in the past. You have to look at Chambers a couple years ago really...WR's without QB's don't ever look very good.

Chambers would be starting for us and letting Crayton get back to what he does best, being a 3rd receiver.

What can I say? I'm glad you aren't the Cowboys GM.

[ThreeSportStar80]

And the Chargers continue to stockpile average receivers. :lmao2:

Nice job drafting Davis in the first round.

I believe Chambers is worth a 2nd round pick, he's a good WR that was limited because of the QB throwing him the ball in Miami...

[TheCount]

What can I say? I'm glad you aren't the Cowboys GM.

To be fair, you probably wouldn't have given up a second and seventh for Wes Welker either. Only time will tell if the Chargers made a good move, calling it one way or the other at this point is way premature.

[hendog]

I am hearing that that they gave up a 2nd....if so that was incredibly stupid..especially since they would have to get through Pitt/Indy/NE to make it to the Super Bowl. I would not have wanted Dallas to do that either...but we can make it to the Super Bowl without him...but to win a Super Bowl we are going to need a healthy Glenn or a Chris Chambers type player...but not at the expense of a 2nd round pick

Yeah!! I'd hate to miss out on the next Jacob Rogers or Quincy Carter or Tony Dixon or Dwayne Goodrich. You guys kill me. Every draft pick is a crap shoot. I don't necesarily want CC but I'd trade our #2 for a quality starting caliber CB.

[aikemirv]

You should try watching 50/50 Chambers every week. :lmao2:

Vincent Jackson is far better than Chambers.

Will you retract this statement now?

[superpunk]

Will you retract this statement now?

You want a retraction because 50/50 managed nearly 1000 yards and 4 TDs but still only caught 50% of his passes?

OK. He performed slightly better than Vincent jackson this season. Whoopee.

[aikemirv]

You want a retraction because 50/50 managed nearly 1000 yards and 4 TDs but still only caught 50% of his passes?

OK. He performed slightly better than Vincent jackson this season. Whoopee.

Almost managed a 1000 yard season between the two teams. I would say that is a lot better than average and he was much better than V. Jackson while you said Jackson was a far better WR.

So 25 receptions and 300 yards is only slightly better and he switched teams midseason:laugh1:

Just own up - you completely discounted the move.

San Diego without C Chambers - 3-3

San Diego with C Chambers - 8-2

[superpunk]

Almost managed a 1000 yard season between the two teams. I would say that is a lot better than average and he was much better than V. Jackson while you said Jackson was a far better WR.

So 25 receptions and 300 yards is only slightly better and he switched teams midseason:laugh1:

Just own up - you completely discounted the move.

San Diego without C Chambers - 3-3

San Diego with C Chambers - 8-2

It's idiotic to attribute their turnaround to Chris Chambers when it had far more to do with their defense. Yes, Chambres caught a few more passes and yardage than Jackson, but he needed nearly 50 more passes to do it.

Chris Chambers is not a good #1 WR. Not sure when you're going to come to grips with that, but it's true. And it's not going to change. He was thrown the ball 129 times, and managed 970 yards and 4 TDs. That's about as good as Shaun MacDonald, Bernard Berrian or Reggie Brown.

I'm supposed to be impressed that he's an average, nondescript WR? No thanks - I've watched him too long.

[aikemirv]

It's idiotic to attribute their turnaround to Chris Chambers when it had far more to do with their defense. Yes, Chambres caught a few more passes and yardage than Jackson, but he needed nearly 50 more passes to do it.

Chris Chambers is not a good #1 WR. Not sure when you're going to come to grips with that, but it's true. And it's not going to change. He was thrown the ball 129 times, and managed 970 yards and 4 TDs. That's about as good as Shaun MacDonald, Bernard Berrian or Reggie Brown.

I'm supposed to be impressed that he's an average, nondescript WR? No thanks - I've watched him too long.

So in essence, when the evidence is before you you still won't admit you are wrong - OK no problem!!

http://www.chargers.com/news/headlines/chambers-opens-up.htm

By the way, thet thrown to stat is probably one of the most meaningless stats I have seen.

Rivers completion percentage was 60% for the year. That is a 51% completion percentage to Chambers and I would think that the average for completion percentage would be higher to RB's and TE versus WR's.

With T Green as QB Chambers started the year with 3 -100 yard games and an average of 7 catches a game.

[superpunk]

So in essence, when the evidence is before you you still won't admit you are wrong - OK no problem!!

http://www.chargers.com/news/headlines/chambers-opens-up.htm

By the way, thet thrown to stat is probably one of the most meaningless stats I have seen.

Rivers completion percentage was 60% for the year. That is a 51% completion percentage to Chambers and I would think that the average for completion percentage would be higher to RB's and TE versus WR's.

With T Green as QB Chambers started the year with 3 -100 yard games and an average of 7 catches a game.

If I was wrong, I'd be more than happy to say so.

I'm not. So I won't. He's the same old Chris Chambers. Try watching him sometime instead of just getting moist over his 900 yards and 4 TDs on 129 pass attempts.