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TXCowboyVol · 02-08-2012

Jenkins, Ingram, Kirkpatrick, DeCastro, Coples all slide to 14...who we taking??

casmith07 · 02-08-2012

DeCastro.

CCBoy · 02-08-2012

Heck no, Griffin from Baylor...

One can't replace Tony Romo too soon.

I'd fire, without more than a hipshot, for Coples. A strong guard/center can be attained in round two, or three.

GloryDaysRBack · 02-08-2012

Coples and it isnt even close

id turn that card in so fast

NeonDeion21 · 02-08-2012

It is between DeCastro and Coples. Depending on what we do in FA I would go Coples.

RS12 · 02-08-2012

Coples mailed it in this year. Already got enough of those guys on the roster.

Randy White · 02-09-2012

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Originally Posted by TXCowboyVol

Jenkins, Ingram, Kirkpatrick, DeCastro, Coples all slide to 14...who we taking??

Coples.

Hoofbite · 02-09-2012

DeCastro

With the way the OL played, I wouldn't be too happy to pass on a guy as highly touted as he is.

GroundUp · 02-09-2012

Considering the depth at the position I'd go with Coples, there aren't many pass rushers that I'm sold on in this draft and I believe we go O-line in FA.

Joe Rod · 02-09-2012

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Originally Posted by TXCowboyVol

Jenkins, Ingram, Kirkpatrick, DeCastro, Coples all slide to 14...who we taking??

Right now (right now), I would probably go with DeCastro first, Jenkins second, then Ingram.

DeCastro is precisely what the O-Line needs and the type of player the team needs. He is smart and can run any type of scheme (zone or power ahead). He was dominant at Stanford for the last two seasons so the body of work is there. He is passionate about football. That is important. Like Tyron Smith last season, you simply cannot lose by drafting this kid. A first year starter that will instantly upgrade the line. No downside to his game, character or attitude.

Jenkins is very, very intriguing. He might even be first on my list of not for those troubles at UF. He has been a model citizen at North Alabama and he says he has stopped hanging around the bad influences. He "seems" to get it now. Plus, he is precisely what Dallas needs to combat The Eagles and Giants WRs. Fluid hips and the speed to stick with the receivers that the Giants and Eagles put out on the field. His addition would go a long way in giving the D-line more time to get to the QB. Those issues at UF prevent him from being the first choice. I hope the kid does well at the combine with his interviews. I want him to clean up his act and become a Dallas great.

Ingram is going to be a playmaker in the NFL. I really believe that. He plays with intensity and has one of those high motors that does not shut off until the play is done. I watched him more than any of the other players and the dude simply took over games at times. He was a one man wrecking crew against Auburn. 18 sacks the last two seasons. Great hands for a guy his size and the quicks to go with his power. He would at least be as good as Spencer in coverage but with better hands. He would be an upgrade as a pass-rusher over Spencer. He was banged up mid-season in 2011 and still notched 8.5 sacks with two interceptions. He also plays special teams and had a fake punt run for a touchdown against Georgia. Good catalog of moves and sheds blockers well. He would complement D-Ware better than any player Dallas currently has on their roster.

Kirkpatrick is an incomplete at the moment. The driver said the weed was his, but I would to if the guy sitting next to me was my cash cow of the future. The law says he is free from charges, so I can't condemn him, but I am interested in seeing if anything else comes out prior to the draft (including if he tests clean at the combine and how he interviews).

Coples, no. This team needs players that play hard every snap and Coples is just not that guy. Dallas simply does not have the type of leaders in the lockerrroom to set him straight when he checks out of games. Plus, Mike Adams and Mitchell Schwatrz really stoned him in the Senior Bowl. That is the type of talent that he will face in the league each week. He would not be an upgrade over Spencer unless there were strong leaders on this football team to put him in his place and show him how to work each day. His deficiencies are simply not a good match with the players that are on this roster.

Gaede · 02-09-2012

Agree with NO on Coples. Too many players like that already on the team. Between Ingram and Decastro for me...Think I'll go with Decastro

CowboyHawg2012 · 02-09-2012

My wish list:
1. David Decastro G Stanford
2. Casey Heyward CB Vandy (love, love his ballhawk skills and he plays physical)
3. Josh Chapman NT Bama ( the NT from the #1 defense in the land and allows JRat to move outside and comes from NFL style D? yes pls)
4. Joe Adams WR Arky (special teams stud plus a very underated reciever prospect.

ABQcowboyJR · 02-09-2012

Coples and it isn't close. I've been on the trade up and get Coples train. I think he might be top five pic though.

cobra · 02-09-2012

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Originally Posted by Joe Rod

He would be an upgrade as a pass-rusher over Spencer.

Obviously, either (a) you did not watch Ingram or (b) you have never watched Spencer. Because your statement is completely ridiculous and false.

Spencer is a better pass rusher than Ingram. Spencer was more productive in college and got more sacks. Spencer has better athleticism. Spencer did better in the pre-draft process (and will have better Combine numbers once Ingram does it). All the scouting reports about Spencer talked about his explosion off the ball and his elite pass-rushing skills. With Ingram the book is he is slow to react and no one says he has elite or plus pass-rushing skills. There is absolutely no objective basis from which to conclude that Ingram would be more productive than Spencer. All of the objective evidence indicates the contrary.

Drafting Ingram to replace Spencer is a waste of the 14th pick because the defense gets worse by playing Ingram instead of Spencer. The smarter thing to do is improve at Guard, CB or D-line where the team would be better when we draft someone at 14.

Doomsday101 · 02-09-2012

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Originally Posted by cobra

Obviously, either (a) you did not watch Ingram or (b) you have never watched Spencer. Because your statement is completely ridiculous and false.

Spencer is a better pass rusher than Ingram. Spencer was more productive in college and got more sacks. Spencer has better athleticism. Spencer did better in the pre-draft process (and will have better Combine numbers once Ingram does it). All the scouting reports about Spencer talked about his explosion off the ball and his elite pass-rushing skills. With Ingram the book is he is slow to react and no one says he has elite or plus pass-rushing skills. There is absolutely no objective basis from which to conclude that Ingram would be more productive than Spencer. All of the objective evidence indicates the contrary.

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a lot will depend on what Spencer agent is asking for. I don't dislike the guys but he is not producing. Hell Greg Ellis was a lot more productive working opposite of Ware. Spencer was suppose to be an upgrade to Ellis he has not been that. If Spencer can be resigned at a reasonable cost fine but if he is looking for top dollar then Dallas should let him walk