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04-15-2012
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If this were 2010, where would Mark Barron be drafted?
Are people talking about him as a top 15 prospect because he's actually that good on tape, or because this is such a thin safety class?
In a draft class that looked like this:
5. Eric Berry
14. Earl Thomas
37. Nate Allen
38. TJ Ward
49: Taylor Mays
Where would Mark Barron be drafted?
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04-15-2012
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just my opinion...but probably somewhere b/w Thomas and Allen....
late teens to early 20s would be my guess
from what i remember about that class and what we're heard about Barron it's clear that Berry was head and shoulders above everyone at safety to come out the last few years.
he would be close to Thomas but i'd give Thomas the edge at this point just b/c he was more of a ballhawk prospect
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04-15-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcowboy84
just my opinion...but probably somewhere b/w Thomas and Allen....
late teens to early 20s would be my guess
from what i remember about that class and what we're heard about Barron it's clear that Berry was head and shoulders above everyone at safety to come out the last few years.
he would be close to Thomas but i'd give Thomas the edge at this point just b/c he was more of a ballhawk prospect
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Completely agree. 3rd S in that class I'd guess. And remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some teams could like Barron better than Thomas because of his size and far superior physicality. I think Barron is a 1st round prospect any year.
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04-15-2012
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Mr. Fixit
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IMO if Markelle Martin were not injured, Barron would not be the first safety drafted.
Martin is faster, better in coverage and a bigger hitter.
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04-16-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BAT
IMO if Markelle Martin were not injured, Barron would not be the first safety drafted.
Martin is faster, better in coverage and a bigger hitter.
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The truth however is that Barron is the top rated S available in the draft. I realize that things are slow and we fans need something to talk about. But how Barron stacks up against Ss two years ago is irrelevant. How Barron stacks up against the other players in this draft like DeCastro and Cox, etc. is very relevant. Barron might not be the top S in the NFL, but he will definitely make our secondary much better. My wish and hope are: DeCastro, Cox or Barron.
Anyone of these guys will make the team better.
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04-16-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BAT
IMO if Markelle Martin were not injured, Barron would not be the first safety drafted.
Martin is faster, better in coverage and a bigger hitter.
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Everyone says Markelle can't tackle, maybe he's a bigger hitter though.
But I agree, Baron still goes first round, between Thomas and Allen. Keep in mind, however, that Berry and Thomas were classic FS's, so that still makes Barron the first SS taken. Berry might be playing SS for the Chiefs now, I can't remember, but he's a natural FS.
We need wins, and that's all we need. I don't give a damn about anyone on this roster over wins. I'd trade Ware, Lee and Dez if it meant more wins.
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04-16-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BAT
IMO if Markelle Martin were not injured, Barron would not be the first safety drafted.
Martin is faster, better in coverage and a bigger hitter.
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I like Martin, but the only thing he has on Barron is straight-line speed. His instincts and angles leave much to be desired.
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04-16-2012
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Run-loving Dino
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BAT
IMO if Markelle Martin were not injured, Barron would not be the first safety drafted.
Martin is faster, better in coverage and a bigger hitter.
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Interesting post... I know Broaddus has said similar things. Maybe not that he's better (can't remember that for sure) but that he's better in coverage.
Which surprises me, because he never struck me as that good at it in college. I thought he was more of a big hitter type. But you and others are definitely seeing it.
I paid so little attention to Barron when Bama played, I don't even know how to compare them. But I'd hope Barron would be much better if we were considering him at 14. 
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04-16-2012
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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab
Interesting post... I know Broaddus has said similar things. Maybe not that he's better (can't remember that for sure) but that he's better in coverage.
Which surprises me, because he never struck me as that good at it in college. I thought he was more of a big hitter type. But you and others are definitely seeing it.
I paid so little attention to Barron when Bama played, I don't even know how to compare them. But I'd hope Barron would be much better if we were considering him at 14. 
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Martin looks alot worse at it in his career because he is a 210 lbs safety and gets stuck on Kendall Wright, Ryan Broyles, Jermaine Gresham or Jordan Shipley in some man situations. The offenses dictated this by formation and personnel group. The truth is he has covered a bunch of NFL receivers with passes from a bunch of 1st round quarterbacks. He did this on a team where the best front 7 player he played with is Jeremy Blatnick. There is no projection to figure out how he would react it is on the tape. You can certainly have an opinion whether he did in well or if it was a problem, but there should be certainty.
Now if you are worried about how he would come down as the 8th guy in the box and hold up against a physical tailback and fullback there is not a ton of tape on it. Pretty much his game against Georgia, Stanford, Texas and some Oklahoma tapes.
IMO, I think he would be a steal of a 4th rounder even with a medical risk.
Last edited by cowboysooner : 04-16-2012 at 12:30 PM.
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04-16-2012
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Surrealist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcowboy84
just my opinion...but probably somewhere b/w Thomas and Allen....
late teens to early 20s would be my guess
from what i remember about that class and what we're heard about Barron it's clear that Berry was head and shoulders above everyone at safety to come out the last few years.
he would be close to Thomas but i'd give Thomas the edge at this point just b/c he was more of a ballhawk prospect
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Agree with this.
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Defintely agree he would have gone after Thomas but before Allen. Allen was somewhat of a late riser in the draft.
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04-16-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcowboy84
just my opinion...but probably somewhere b/w Thomas and Allen....
late teens to early 20s would be my guess
from what i remember about that class and what we're heard about Barron it's clear that Berry was head and shoulders above everyone at safety to come out the last few years.
he would be close to Thomas but i'd give Thomas the edge at this point just b/c he was more of a ballhawk prospect
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That sounds about right.
He would be drafted close to where he will go this year, but he would have probabaly been the 3rd safety taken.
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04-15-2012
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The Actualist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hra8700
Are people talking about him as a top 15 prospect because he's actually that good on tape, or because this is such a thin safety class?
In a draft class that looked like this:
5. Eric Berry
14. Earl Thomas
37. Nate Allen
38. TJ Ward
49: Taylor Mays
Where would Mark Barron be drafted?
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Top 50
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04-16-2012
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Not as good as I once was but as good once as I ever was.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hra8700
Are people talking about him as a top 15 prospect because he's actually that good on tape, or because this is such a thin safety class?
In a draft class that looked like this:
5. Eric Berry
14. Earl Thomas
37. Nate Allen
38. TJ Ward
49: Taylor Mays
Where would Mark Barron be drafted?
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Between 15 & 37.
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04-16-2012
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The Browns made a great pick with TJ Ward. Thomas was clearly a better prospect than Barron for today's NFL.
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