The Truth about Jimmy..

[alsmith]

Jimmy did a great job coaching using fear, just as H.S. coaches use today and college coaches use today, because the players have no choice in the matter, but in the NFL that will not work with the NFL players anymore, as for players just release them and another team will be glad to pick them up and play and pay them.

Remember, for those who have forgotten, Jimmy the great, he did not want QB Troy as the QB, he wanted QB Walsh from Miami as his QB, and Jimmy the great, he did not want RB Emmitt, he said he was to small and slow, he wanted to draft a LB that was drafted just ahead of his pick, ahead of him and Jimmy had to be talked into taking Emmitt.

So as for how great he was, yes he was a very good coach but he also proved in Miami that his coaching style and his system does not and will not work in this Free Agent area, known as today's NFL, that is and was the reason he QUIT coaching, he knew it then and now because players would not take the abuse that he shovel out, as he even said he was too hard on the players and the players today, forget about it.

Why do you think Jimmy would not come back to coaching, he has enough ego of him in him, not to want to destroy his image, remember he a legend in his own mind, and yes he did win here and thank you Jimmy and Jerry for the SB wins together but your ego Jimmy got in your own way and it still shows today, is that enough credit for him..

Jimmy you did something that people should never do,,, you disrespected your boss, instead of saying we build this team, as so for you and the players that was signed, and to give the man that sign those big checks as the owner and GM and scouts that took those trips and people that worked hard to put all that info together for you and coaches,

Jimmy you totally disrespected the man who took a chance on you, Jerry was told not to because of Jimmy big ego, other teams would not touch him because of that, but Jimmy you totally disrespect him the owner in a bar in front of friends and other coaches, by the way I would have FIRED your a-s-s too.

Remember with Jimmy its all or none, and he has more than enough of him for everyone..

[john van brocklin]

Originally Posted by alsmith

Jimmy did a great job coaching using fear, just as H.S. coaches use today and college coaches use today, because the players have no choice in the matter, but in the NFL that will not work with the NFL players anymore, as for players just release them and another team will be glad to pick them up and play and pay them.

Remember, for those who have forgotten, Jimmy the great, he did not want QB Troy as the QB, he wanted QB Walsh from Miami as his QB, and Jimmy the great, he did not want RB Emmitt, he said he was to small and slow, he wanted to draft a LB that was drafted just ahead of his pick, ahead of him and Jimmy had to be talked into taking Emmitt.

[View Full Quote]So as for how great he was, yes he was a very good coach but he also proved in Miami that his coaching style and his system does not and will not work in this Free Agent area, known as today's NFL, that is and was the reason he QUIT coaching, he knew it then and now because players would not take the abuse that he shovel out, as he even said he was too hard on the players and the players today, forget about it.

Why do you think Jimmy would not come back to coaching, he has enough ego of him in him, not to want to destroy his image, remember he a legend in his own mind, and yes he did win here and thank you Jimmy and Jerry for the SB wins together but your ego Jimmy got in your own way and it still shows today, is that enough credit for him..

Jimmy you did something that people should never do,,, you disrespected your boss, instead of saying we build this team, as so for you and the players that was signed, and to give the man that sign those big checks as the owner and GM and scouts that took those trips and people that worked hard to put all that info together for you and coaches,

Jimmy you totally disrespected the man who took a chance on you, Jerry was told not to because of Jimmy big ego, other teams would not touch him because of that, but Jimmy you totally disrespect him the owner in a bar in front of friends and other coaches, by the way I would have FIRED your a-s-s too.

Remember with Jimmy its all or none, and he has more than enough of him for everyone..

There is some truth to what you wrote, but Jerry did not take a chance on Jimmy, Jimmy was in high demand in the NFL and would have had other opportunities in the NFL as a headcoach if Jerry did not hire him.

[THUMPER]

I'm very grateful that someone started another thread about this.

[Plankton]

Originally Posted by THUMPER

I'm very grateful that someone started another thread about this.

[Dave_in-NC]

I'm glad we got Jimmy the great. Jerry wouldn't be able to claim " How about them three SBs" to this day.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by alsmith

Jimmy did a great job coaching using fear, just as H.S. coaches use today and college coaches use today, because the players have no choice in the matter, but in the NFL that will not work with the NFL players anymore, as for players just release them and another team will be glad to pick them up and play and pay them.

Remember, for those who have forgotten, Jimmy the great, he did not want QB Troy as the QB, he wanted QB Walsh from Miami as his QB, and Jimmy the great, he did not want RB Emmitt, he said he was to small and slow, he wanted to draft a LB that was drafted just ahead of his pick, ahead of him and Jimmy had to be talked into taking Emmitt.

[View Full Quote]So as for how great he was, yes he was a very good coach but he also proved in Miami that his coaching style and his system does not and will not work in this Free Agent area, known as today's NFL, that is and was the reason he QUIT coaching, he knew it then and now because players would not take the abuse that he shovel out, as he even said he was too hard on the players and the players today, forget about it.

Why do you think Jimmy would not come back to coaching, he has enough ego of him in him, not to want to destroy his image, remember he a legend in his own mind, and yes he did win here and thank you Jimmy and Jerry for the SB wins together but your ego Jimmy got in your own way and it still shows today, is that enough credit for him..

Jimmy you did something that people should never do,,, you disrespected your boss, instead of saying we build this team, as so for you and the players that was signed, and to give the man that sign those big checks as the owner and GM and scouts that took those trips and people that worked hard to put all that info together for you and coaches,

Jimmy you totally disrespected the man who took a chance on you, Jerry was told not to because of Jimmy big ego, other teams would not touch him because of that, but Jimmy you totally disrespect him the owner in a bar in front of friends and other coaches, by the way I would have FIRED your a-s-s too.

Remember with Jimmy its all or none, and he has more than enough of him for everyone..

If life were black and white your words would be spot on. But it is not.

The fact so often missed is Jimmy treated different players in different manners. He studied psychology and continually was reading books on the subject to find the motivational tool designed for each individual.

The asthma field player would have been cut anyway. But the public humiliation after uttering that comment was a tool Jimmy used to scare the fringe players that all teams have.

He took Haley into the restroom during halftime of the Denver Bronco road game in 92 and flushed the toilet and told him this is where his career was headed if Haley didn't stop jacking around.

True field generals would still be awe inspiring no matter what the rules.

To suggest a motivated Jimmy Johnson couldn't scare the crap out of players on this team ignores that true leaders inspire in many way.

Parcels came in and scared the crapola out of the players when he got here.

The salary cap was in place then.

This team does not have a true leader in management.

They surely don't as a head coach.

Huckleberry Jones can run a business. But that doesn't mean he can structure a team where men will give everything they have for him because of fear or respect or both.

There is no way to soft soap the fact that this team is rudderless. No matter how many prose are written about the leadership filled with smart sounding excuses.

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As a last note the Aikman story was semi true. But what is left out of that story is this.

Jimmy had a problem. The 1990 season did not end well. The team under achieved in his mind and part of that was his relationship with Aikman. Troy was making noises about being traded. He did not like Jimmy's style.

Jimmy threw an end of the season party at his house. It may have been mandatory. Hambricks would have missed that party.

Aikman showed and was intent on leaving early. (This is the story Troy told, not Jimmy)

Like most parties the guests were asked to toss their coats on the bed in a spare bedroom. Aikman did so.

He hung around and finally felt he stayed long enough, so he retrieved his coat. But his car keys were missing.

He mentioned this to Jimmy who helped him look for them.

People began to leave and Jimmy kept excusing himself to say goodbye to his guests. He promised Troy he'd help him find the keys when everyone left.

Once the party was cleared out Troy approached him. He felt uncomfortable being alone with Jimmy since he distrusted him.

Jimmy said they should have a beer and chat. So they did.

Jimmy opened up to Troy that he needed him to be a leader and the team would not win without him.

They patched up their differences that afternoon and the rest became history.

The end of this story is once they became sympatico Jimmy pulled Troy's keys from his pocket. He had them all along.

Frankly any story about Jimmy not being able to handle the players today is ridiculous to me.

[BraveHeartFan]

Great coach at the perfect time for his style of coaching and to fully utilize his best abilities.

You can't scare or bully the majority of the players in this league anymore due to the cap and such. That tactic simply wouldn't work.

Jimmy would probably find another way to be pretty effective and still win games but I doubt that he'd ever be anywhere as good as what he once was.

Which really doesn't matter either way because the guy is never going to coach anyone again, let alone Dallas.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by BraveHeartFan

Great coach at the perfect time for his style of coaching and to fully utilize his best abilities.

You can't scare or bully the majority of the players in this league anymore due to the cap and such. That tactic simply wouldn't work.

Jimmy would probably find another way to be pretty effective and still win games but I doubt that he'd ever be anywhere as good as what he once was.

Which really doesn't matter either way because the guy is never going to coach anyone again, let alone Dallas.

So the coach of the NY Giants set a standard that if you were not at a meeting 5 minutes before it started you'd be fined and the team erupted.

Then they shut the heck up and won several SBs.

I guess those players are different than the ones Dallas has and the rest of the league.

If you think Belichik and Shanahan and the head coach pof the 9ers and ravens aren't crack the whip coaches, then continue to believe there is no hope for teaching discipli9ne to this team.

[BraveHeartFan]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

So the coach of the NY Giants set a standard that if you were not at a meeting 5 minutes before it started you'd be fined and the team erupted.

Then they shut the heck up and won several SBs.

I guess those players are different than the ones Dallas has and the rest of the league.

If you think Belichik and Shanahan and the head coach pof the 9ers and ravens aren't crack the whip coaches, then continue to believe there is no hope for teaching discipli9ne to this team.

There is a hope for disipline. With out a doubt.

And yest you can fine these guys for being late at meetings and get them to show up on time. Without question.

But if you want to send a message that a highly paid WR is screwing up and not pulling his weight you're not going to make that guy fear you cutting him or taking his job because the cap penalties simply won't allow it.

A lot of what Johnson could do by just cutting people won't work now. Could he cut a 3rd string runningback to try and make a point. Sure he could. WOuld it have the impact it used to? Absolutely not.

You know why? Because that first string guy making millions knows damn well that due to the cap problems he isn't getting cut. That point would be moot as hell as the majority of the league now.


Completely different game now with all the other things involved. Doesn't mean you can't have disipline or get to guys in other ways, cause you can, but being a guy who makes people afraid of you? Lol. No chance.

Bill Parcells doesn't make people fear him anymore either and thats one of the biggest reasons he was never as successful as he once had been.

Still a good coach, who still made a difference, but never the same.

[TwoDeep3]

Look at how Dez acts when he doesn't get the ball.

Now sit him for a game.

Jimmy never cut an important player.

But he did discipline them.

[nyc-cowboy]

Originally Posted by BraveHeartFan

There is a hope for disipline. With out a doubt.

And yest you can fine these guys for being late at meetings and get them to show up on time. Without question.

But if you want to send a message that a highly paid WR is screwing up and not pulling his weight you're not going to make that guy fear you cutting him or taking his job because the cap penalties simply won't allow it.

A lot of what Johnson could do by just cutting people won't work now. Could he cut a 3rd string runningback to try and make a point. Sure he could. WOuld it have the impact it used to? Absolutely not.
NYC - do you really think that Jimmy instilled fear just cause he cut ppl - he instilled fear cause no one likes to be called out and/or yelled at.


[View Full Quote]You know why? Because that first string guy making millions knows damn well that due to the cap problems he isn't getting cut. That point would be moot as hell as the majority of the league now.


Completely different game now with all the other things involved. Doesn't mean you can't have disipline or get to guys in other ways, cause you can, but being a guy who makes people afraid of you? Lol. No chance.
NYC - disagree - Tom C. the giant HC is as old school as they come and he's done pretty good.

Westoff ST coach for the Jets and Dennis Thurman (yes that one) DB coach for the same Jets are the same - hard nosed guys that will let you have it at the drop of a hat - Those guys have had success also.

IMO thats one of the only ways to get to a player nowadays - humiliate the guy - nobody likes that.



Bill Parcells doesn't make people fear him anymore either and thats one of the biggest reasons he was never as successful as he once had been.

NYC - really? he took a team that was 5-11, 3 years in a row and took they to the playoffs. Didn't hear a peep out of TO till Bill left than the TO came out in full force.

Still a good coach, who still made a difference, but never the same.

NYC - One thing we do know for sure is that Wade's and Jason's soft ways def dont work with this team.

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[Clove]

If you're trying to get fans to root against Jimmy and what he did for us fans, forget it. Winners will always be elevated and losers will be stoned.

And no matter how you find ways to secretly prop up Jerry Jones, we can see it, and smell it. And you can't run from the fact that after Jimmy's talent was decimated, Jones has proven to be TRASH!

If you are 18 years old, you were sucking on a bottle the last time we won the Super Bowl. If you are 23 years old, you were an infant the last time we drafted a QB in the 1st round.

[TheStar]

Originally Posted by alsmith

Jimmy did a great job coaching using fear, just as H.S. coaches use today and college coaches use today, because the players have no choice in the matter, but in the NFL that will not work with the NFL players anymore, as for players just release them and another team will be glad to pick them up and play and pay them.

Remember, for those who have forgotten, Jimmy the great, he did not want QB Troy as the QB, he wanted QB Walsh from Miami as his QB, and Jimmy the great, he did not want RB Emmitt, he said he was to small and slow, he wanted to draft a LB that was drafted just ahead of his pick, ahead of him and Jimmy had to be talked into taking Emmitt.

[View Full Quote]So as for how great he was, yes he was a very good coach but he also proved in Miami that his coaching style and his system does not and will not work in this Free Agent area, known as today's NFL, that is and was the reason he QUIT coaching, he knew it then and now because players would not take the abuse that he shovel out, as he even said he was too hard on the players and the players today, forget about it.

Why do you think Jimmy would not come back to coaching, he has enough ego of him in him, not to want to destroy his image, remember he a legend in his own mind, and yes he did win here and thank you Jimmy and Jerry for the SB wins together but your ego Jimmy got in your own way and it still shows today, is that enough credit for him..

Jimmy you did something that people should never do,,, you disrespected your boss, instead of saying we build this team, as so for you and the players that was signed, and to give the man that sign those big checks as the owner and GM and scouts that took those trips and people that worked hard to put all that info together for you and coaches,

Jimmy you totally disrespected the man who took a chance on you, Jerry was told not to because of Jimmy big ego, other teams would not touch him because of that, but Jimmy you totally disrespect him the owner in a bar in front of friends and other coaches, by the way I would have FIRED your a-s-s too.

Remember with Jimmy its all or none, and he has more than enough of him for everyone..

FAIL!

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

I'll concede Jimmy had his faults

Originally Posted by alsmith

...Why do you think Jimmy would not come back to coaching, he has enough ego of him in him, not to want to destroy his image...

He has a real ego that prevents him from FAIL for 16 seasons and counting.

[TwoDeep3]

Not sure if i read this correctly, but are there those that suggest Jimmy made up the story about another team during the 1993 season?

His statement was, "why would they (thought is was the panthers but may have been the Jaguars) want to speak with Norv, when they can interview me?"