Red and Time - Dallas Cowboys Forum

REDVOLUTION · 11-23-2012

Yes, I believe this needed a thread.

There is alot of emotional posting and some on here seem to think they are experts and all knowing.

Red is going to need time. Its been less than 2 seasons. The team was 1-7 when he took over.

Its going to take time. But I believe he will work out LONG TERM.
Yes, we hate that there is on the job training re: Red.
Yes, we hate that he makes mistakes.
Yes, we hate that he has poor time management skills.

We live in IGS (I do too) and we are just doing a play by play hate of what is happening.

I think Red will win with Dallas. I dont know if Romo will be here but I believe it will happen.

17yearsandcounting · 11-23-2012

Dude it takes succesful coaches 15 years to figure out how to win championships. Coaches that had to work their way up and learn from some of the best coaching trees.

Lets just write off the next decade until Red figures it out. Cool.

Dash28 · 11-23-2012

Follow the process!

We have all the time for him to learn basic things, so excited about the future under him.

17yearsandcounting · 11-23-2012

I swear some of you think the team is called the Dallas Garretts.

kirkjrk · 11-23-2012

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Originally Posted by 17yearsandcounting

I swear some of you think the team is called the Dallas Garretts.

Isn't it? JG is HC and OC, his brother is TE coach and his Dad is One of main Scout's. That's Jones boy 2 and Garrett boys 3==Dallas Garretts.

Cowboyz88 · 11-23-2012

I was a huge fan when Garrett got hired (for me it was either him or Harbaugh), and I agree that so far, the results haven't been great, but as some have mentioned, it takes time (and a bit of luck) for a coach to learn how to win (see: Belichick, Cowher, Dungy).

That said, given Jones' propensity to jettison coaches about every 2-3 years, how would you guys honestly feel if Jerry moves onto another coach and it takes that coach at least three years to implement his system and to get this crap team to the playoffs AND Garrett goes on to another team (i.e. Raiders, Bears, Cards, etc) and wins a championship while setting that team up for a decade of success?

I guess my point is, yes, right now things are tough, but it can't be good for ANY organization to change its leadership so often (much less in an organization as dysfunctional as the Cowboys), but might patience be a good thing, even as difficult as it is now?

DenCWBY · 11-23-2012

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Originally Posted by Cowboyz88

I was a huge fan when Garrett got hired (for me it was either him or Harbaugh), and I agree that so far, the results haven't been great, but as some have mentioned, it takes time (and a bit of luck) for a coach to learn how to win (see: Belichick, Cowher, Dungy).

That said, given Jones' propensity to jettison coaches about every 2-3 years, how would you guys honestly feel if Jerry moves onto another coach and it takes that coach at least three years to implement his system and to get this crap team to the playoffs AND Garrett goes on to another team (i.e. Raiders, Bears, Cards, etc) and wins a championship while setting that team up for a decade of success?

I guess my point is, yes, right now things are tough, but it can't be good for ANY organization to change its leadership so often (much less in an organization as dysfunctional as the Cowboys), but might patience be a good thing, even as difficult as it is now?

Yes coaching changes were good for SF, NE, NO, AZ, Indy, Balt, GB and several others who turned it around or provided extended improvement in less than 3 years after a change. The problem is not only finding a good coach, but a better coach who can put up with an egomaniac GM/Owner suffering from dementia.

Cowboyz88 · 11-23-2012

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Yes coaching changes were good for SF, NE, NO, AZ, Indy, Balt, GB and several others who turned it around or provided extended improvement in less than 3 years after a change. The problem is not only finding a good coach, but a better coach who can put up with an egomaniac GM/Owner suffering from dementia.

Again, I don't want to shill for Garrett (I really don't), but almost every team you mentioned has a Great/above average GM in place or a franchise QB with solid role players.

What about the Browns, Raiders, Chiefs, Panthers, Jags, etc. of the world?

I would contend that we are extremely top-heavy in terms of talent (basically no middle class), and we all know what a joke our GM is.

tunahelper · 11-23-2012

The guy has been an average OC for years. He is all smoke and mirrors. He just isnt a good coach and he makes stupid time management errors way to much. He has shown a stubberness to not play players in the past. He is not the answer.
If he stays an OC is a MUST!

UncFelix28 · 11-23-2012

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Originally Posted by REDVOLUTION

Red is going to need time. Its been less than 2 seasons. The team was 1-7 when he took over.

Its going to take time. But I believe he will work out LONG TERM.
Yes, we hate that there is on the job training re: Red.
Yes, we hate that he makes mistakes.
Yes, we hate that he has poor time management skills.

Dude you are pointing out all of this, but you won't point out the most important fact of the matter & that is that the guy has been around since 2007 and still has players on the offensive side of the ball making pre-snap penalties, still has problems with time management & still has problems with play calling at the start of the game & not being creative when the team gets in the red zone.. You can tell me the Head Coach role is different than OC all you want but these things shouldn't be happening still on the offensive side of the ball

crashintonickdm · 11-23-2012

jason might win somewhere else, but he doesnt have the spine to win in dallas.

he is atrocious, and along with wade theyre killing our star players in their prime.

17yearsandcounting · 11-23-2012

Screw the careers of our best players, screw the fans who pay to watch terrible football, screw the fans that buy merch and support a national embarrasment week after week......

Jason needs TIME.

Ridiculous.

Cowboyz88 · 11-23-2012

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Screw the careers of our best players, screw the fans who pay to watch terrible football, screw the fans that buy merch and support a national embarrasment week after week......

Jason needs TIME.

Ridiculous.

LOL...I'm certainly not shilling for Garrett, but if "more time" means getting a few more leaders in here to take the reins from our supposed "best players" Witten (Mr. False Start), Ware (Mr. Offsides), Austin/Felix/Rat/Jenkins (the All-Glass Team), Spears (Mr. Irrelevant), then yes, he needs more time.

In case you haven't noticed, the "core" has done SQUAT for three different coaches, but let's not let that huge fact get in the way.

That said, IMO, any coach is going to need time to slowly replace the leadership/team effectiveness of those guys.

17yearsandcounting · 11-23-2012

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Originally Posted by Cowboyz88

LOL...I'm certainly not shilling for Garrett, but if "more time" means getting a few more leaders in here to take the reins from our supposed "best players" Witten (Mr. False Start), Ware (Mr. Offsides), Austin/Felix/Rat/Jenkins (the All-Glass Team), Spears (Mr. Irrelevant), then yes, he needs more time.

In case you haven't noticed, the "core" has done SQUAT for three different coaches, but let's not let that huge fact get in the way.

That said, IMO, any coach is going to need time to slowly replace the leadership/team effectiveness of those guys.

Maybe if we give him more time, he can read the clock management chapter in his Football For Dummies book.

Wolfpack · 11-23-2012

Its the NFL not a junior college program. You have the best of the best playing and coaching. Training wheels need to stay in D3.