Beginning of the decline for Ware?

[wick]

I still think Ware is a very good player, but he's either hurt and not saying or he's starting to show the effects of aging. He gets doubled a lot, so not getting pressure on those plays isn't a huge indicator for me. What is an indicator, though, is that he isn't beating one-on-one blocking with his speed rush around the corner nearly as much as he used to. You can see that he doesn't seem to trust this move as much because he tries to bull rush to a much greater degree than I can ever remember, but he's not powerful enough for this to be a go-to strategy.

As a result, our pass rush has really tapered off because we don't have anyone else who is a good pure rusher. That needs to be a top priority after the season.

[Risen Star]

I doubt it'll happen because our GM is a fraud, but we need to approach the offseason like Ware is finished as an impact player. Not that he is, but that needs to be the approach. We absolutely must find a top pass rusher.

[wick]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I doubt it'll happen because our GM is a fraud, but we need to approach the offseason like Ware is finished as an impact player. Not that he is, but that needs to be the approach. We absolutely must find a top pass rusher.

I thought it needed to be this past off season. Jerry won't see it that way, of course. We are almost never proactive about addressing needs and generally wait a season or two after weakening before taking measures to stop the bleeding.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by wick

I thought it needed to be this past off season. Jerry won't see it that way, of course. We are almost never proactive about addressing needs and generally wait a season or two after weakening before taking measures to stop the bleeding.

Right. Because the GM has no foresight. He needs to see the problem on the field for a while before he gets it.

It'll be the same thing with Romo. We'll get all we can out of him and then expect the QB fairy to drop a franchise talent in our laps when he can't go anymore.

Ya know, like a good GM would.

[iowast8rs]

the door has almost closed for Ware and the team has done a disservice to him by not winning any SBs.

[Future]

Originally Posted by tomson75

Do a quick search for "Ware" and "disappears"....and I'm guessing you'll find plenty of candidates.

Saying he disappears and that he sucks are two different things imo.

Originally Posted by iowast8rs

the door has almost closed for Ware and the team has done a disservice to him by not winning any SBs.

I wouldn't say he's entirely a victim of that, just like Witten, he's been a major part of that core that hasn't gotten the job done.

[Shinywalrus]

I thought Ware played awfully last night, and if you asked him, I bet he would say the same thing.

But everyone has a night like that. He's had some excellent ones this year and last, and we've written the story of his decline before. I don't think we'll really see it for another 3 or 4 years. Ware will be fine.

[erod]

Ware is a very good player, but he is vastly overrated. Always has been. He's benefitted at times by being the ONLY player on this defense worth a crap other than Ratliff.

He's not in the same class as Charles Haley or Harvey Martin as a pass rusher. He's not as good against the run as even Anthony Spencer.

If I had to compare him in ability to a former player, it would be Too Tall Jones (different but similar impact).

Ware makes impactful plays, but he also disappears for entire halves or longer. He's not an all-day relentless player like the true greats of the game.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by erod

Ware is a very good player, but he is vastly overrated. Always has been. He's benefitted at times by being the ONLY player on this defense worth a crap other than Ratliff.

He's not in the same class as Charles Haley or Harvey Martin as a pass rusher. He's not as good against the run as even Anthony Spencer.

If I had to compare him in ability to a former player, it would be Too Tall Jones (different but similar impact).

Ware makes impactful plays, but he also disappears for entire halves or longer. He's not an all-day relentless player like the true greats of the game.

Ware is not overrated. That is just ridiculous.

[windward]

Ware's decline is just like the decline of Witten. Way overblown.

[TTexasTT]

Originally Posted by erod

Ware is a very good player, but he is vastly overrated. Always has been. He's benefitted at times by being the ONLY player on this defense worth a crap other than Ratliff.

He's not in the same class as Charles Haley or Harvey Martin as a pass rusher. He's not as good against the run as even Anthony Spencer.

If I had to compare him in ability to a former player, it would be Too Tall Jones (different but similar impact).

Ware makes impactful plays, but he also disappears for entire halves or longer. He's not an all-day relentless player like the true greats of the game.

Agreed. You really seem to know what youre talking about.

Originally Posted by erod

Stupid doesn't adequately describe Dez. Your average 10-year-old is more mature, intelligent, and focused than he is.

He has to be the dumbest player that has ever worn the star.

Originally Posted by erod

I wouldn't bet $5 that Dez is even on the team next year. The offseason isn't too kind for Dez, and he's on the last nerve of this organization.

[Clove]

Originally Posted by erod

Ware is a very good player, but he is vastly overrated. Always has been. He's benefitted at times by being the ONLY player on this defense worth a crap other than Ratliff.

He's not in the same class as Charles Haley or Harvey Martin as a pass rusher. He's not as good against the run as even Anthony Spencer.

If I had to compare him in ability to a former player, it would be Too Tall Jones (different but similar impact).

Ware makes impactful plays, but he also disappears for entire halves or longer. He's not an all-day relentless player like the true greats of the game.

I agree with this. Still love the guy though.

[visionary]

upgrade the DL and watch ware go back to being a great player

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Right. Because the GM has no foresight. He needs to see the problem on the field for a while before he gets it.

It'll be the same thing with Romo. We'll get all we can out of him and then expect the QB fairy to drop a franchise talent in our laps when he can't go anymore.

Ya know, like a good GM would.

So your upset with Jerry, that he doesn't have a franchise QB already in place, learning behind Romo. I'm curious to know how many teams have this luxury?

[1fisher]

Originally Posted by jjktkk

So your upset with Jerry, that he doesn't have a franchise QB already in place, learning behind Romo. I'm curious to know how many teams have this luxury?

He's madly in love with Jerry..... mentions him in almost every post!