OLine Future Options

[xwalker]

I’m going to list some different OL combos to start the 2013 season.

In all scenarios, the following conditions apply:
1. Bernadeau must be replaced as the starting RG.
2. Must have an experienced RG next to Parnell.
3. Must have a backup Center that is pushing to start. Cook cannot run block. A draft pick would be preferred; although Kevin Kowalski might be an option and Bernadeau might be better at OC than at OG.
4. Must have at least 1 backup OG that is pushing to start at some point. Draft picks would be preferred. Leary might be an option. Kowalski and David Arkin are in the mix, I guess.
5. Must find a legit backup OT. Darrion Weems is the only candidate currently on the roster. They could use a draft pick here also. Maybe a dual purpose OT/OG type.

Option 1: Most ready on day 1, but limited upside.
LT Tyron Smith - Just turned 22. He should continue to get better.

LG Nate Livings - Could be the best option to start the season at LG.

OC Phil Costa - Could be the best option to start the season at OC. Need to draft a backup OC in the top 3 rounds.

RG Brandon Moore - He is an experienced RG that played 4 years for Callahan.

RT Jermey Parnell - Parnell has the physical ability and now a little bit of experience.


Option 2: No Free Agents
LT Tyron Smith

LG Ronald Leary - NFL level physical ability, but he looked a bit lost in preseason.

OC Phil Costa - Need to draft a backup OC in the top 3 rounds.

RG Nate Livings. - Moved to RG to keep veteran next to Parnell.

RT Jermey Parnell - Parnell has the physical ability and now a little bit of experience.


Option 3: Draft Pick becomes a Starter
LT Tyron Smith

LG Draft Pick – If drafting an OG early, it would be good to have one that can play OC also.

OC Phil Costa - Need to draft a backup OC in the top 3 rounds.

RG Nate Livings or Brandon Moore, or other Veteran (Matt Slauson, Jets).

RT Jermey Parnell - Parnell has the physical ability and now a little bit of experience.


Summary:

The backup and future starter at Center is the most difficult position to find. There are multiple options in the Draft and Free Agency at OG and backup OT, but Near-Zero Centers in FA and only about 3 really good options in the draft.

[fortdick]

I see that you have given up on Free. You say you need to replace Bernadeau to help Parnell. Free had three very good years then a couple down years. During his good years, he was playing next to Kosier. I think getting an experienced guard next to Free would help him as well. Changing positions and changing coaches prolly didn't help Free this year either.

[JohnsKey19]

Originally Posted by fortdick

I see that you have given up on Free. You say you need to replace Bernadeau to help Parnell. Free had three very good years then a couple down years. During his good years, he was playing next to Kosier. I think getting an experienced guard next to Free would help him as well. Changing positions and changing coaches prolly didn't help Free this year either.

The only way Free stays is if he takes a huge pay cut. The coaching staff is already somewhat establishing that there isn't much difference between Free and Parnell. Younger and cheaper will always win out when performance is equal or even close to being equal.

Not saying I'm totally on board but i believe they like Bernadeau enough to bring him back as either the starting C or at one of the OG spots. I think what we'll see is they'll draft an interior OL likely in either the 2nd or 3rd round and have that player and Leary battle for a starting spot.
So this is what i believe the staff will do:

LT:Smith
LG:Livings
C:Bernadeau
RG:Leary\(2nd-3rd rd draft pick)
RT:Parnell

[fortdick]

Originally Posted by JohnsKey19

The only way Free stays is if he takes a huge pay cut ...

LT:Smith
LG:Livings
C:Bernadeau
RG:Leary\(2nd-3rd rd draft pick)
RT:Parnell

You may be right about Free, but I think he is still better than Parnell. Parnell has shown nothing to me.

I believe you are completey wrong about Bernadeau. He doesn't run block exceptionally well and if a DT takes anything but a start line on a pass rush, he will whiff. Costa will play center next year or we will get his replacement from somewhere else.

I expect Free to be back next season and we change at RG and maybe center.

[JohnsKey19]

Originally Posted by fortdick

You may be right about Free, but I think he is still better than Parnell. Parnell has shown nothing to me.

I believe you are completey wrong about Bernadeau. He doesn't run block exceptionally well and if a DT takes anything but a start line on a pass rush, he will whiff. Costa will play center next year or we will get his replacement from somewhere else.

I expect Free to be back next season and we change at RG and maybe center.

Nothing i wrote above is what I would like to see done. It is purely what i believe the Cowboys management will do in the offseason. I don't see them giving up on Bern/Livings. The only reason why i think Free gets cut is the money issue and it appears based on playing time that they feel Parnell is just as good. We'll see...

[Dmoore Esq]

If you draft a center in the first 3 rounds, he better start. That's a high pick for a center.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by fortdick

I see that you have given up on Free. You say you need to replace Bernadeau to help Parnell. Free had three very good years then a couple down years. During his good years, he was playing next to Kosier. I think getting an experienced guard next to Free would help him as well. Changing positions and changing coaches prolly didn't help Free this year either.

I've watched every snap that Free has played over the last 3 seasons at least 10 times each. This year, that includes the 2 additional camera angles provided by the All-22 video.

Free's problem is not related to the OG playing next to him. He knows what to do, he just can't do it (consistently). Free has a fundamental problem with his upper body (hand/arm/shoulder) strength. He just can't use proper technique with his hands.

As Couchscout pointed out in a thread earlier this season, Justin Smith was the 1st defender to really expose Free's weakness in the 2nd game of the 2011 season. Now, defenders know that all they have to do is get their arms under his and thrust upwards. Free has almost no ability to resist this move. As a result of this weakness, Free has made multiple changes to his technique in an attempt to compensate. Holding his hands lower, etc.. Some defenders are better at exposing his weakness than others.

Free's foot quickness and size are the only reason that he hasn't played even worse. Most NFL OTs can reach out and slow down defenders if their getting beat or because their out of position. Free can't. He must get his body in position in order to have a chance to make a good block. The problem is that even the most athletic NFL OTs can't get their body in perfect position at all time.

If I have not described it in enough detail yet, just envision an OT trying to block with both of this hands tied behind his back. If he is big and quick enough, he can make a lot of blocks by just slamming his chest or shoulder pads into the defender and by staying between the defender and the QB.

The reason that Free can run block ok, it that he can just lean his body or shoulder pads into the defender.

Parnell is the opposite of Free. He does not always know exactly what to do, especially in terms of working with the OG. There is a lot a split-second timing involved in handing-off a defender from one blocker to the other and then getting out to make a 2nd block. Too quick and the initial defender wins. Too slow and the 2nd defender wins.

Parnell has elite foot quickness and very good size; however, it's his upper body strength that will allow him to become a much superior player to Free. It is very refreshing to see Parnell doing hand-battle with the defenders in comparison to watching Free.

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by xwalker

I've watched every snap that Free has played over the last 3 seasons at least 10 times each. This year, that includes the 2 additional camera angles provided by the All-22 video.

Free's problem is not related to the OG playing next to him. He knows what to do, he just can't do it (consistently). Free has a fundamental problem with his upper body (hand/arm/shoulder) strength. He just can't use proper technique with his hands.

As Couchscout pointed out in a thread earlier this season, Justin Smith was the 1st defender to really expose Free's weakness in the 2nd game of the 2011 season. Now, defenders know that all they have to do is get their arms under his and thrust upwards. Free has almost no ability to resist this move. As a result of this weakness, Free has made multiple changes to his technique in an attempt to compensate. Holding his hands lower, etc.. Some defenders are better at exposing his weakness than others.

[View Full Quote]Free's foot quickness and size are the only reason that he hasn't played even worse. Most NFL OTs can reach out and slow down defenders if their getting beat or because their out of position. Free can't. He must get his body in position in order to have a chance to make a good block. The problem is that even the most athletic NFL OTs can't get their body in perfect position at all time.

If I have not described it in enough detail yet, just envision an OT trying to block with both of this hands tied behind his back. If he is big and quick enough, he can make a lot of blocks by just slamming his chest or shoulder pads into the defender and by staying between the defender and the QB.

The reason that Free can run block ok, it that he can just lean his body or shoulder pads into the defender.

Parnell is the opposite of Free. He does not always know exactly what to do, especially in terms of working with the OG. There is a lot a split-second timing involved in handing-off a defender from one blocker to the other and then getting out to make a 2nd block. Too quick and the initial defender wins. Too slow and the 2nd defender wins.

Parnell has elite foot quickness and very good size; however, it's his upper body strength that will allow him to become a much superior player to Free. It is very refreshing to see Parnell doing hand-battle with the defenders in comparison to watching Free.

Nice post. Free makes too much money next year for his production. His only leverage is he's well known here and we don't have a lot OT wise. I expect him to either take a paycut if the two sides can get together or he leaves if someone is worse off than us and think they can fix his problems.

[LatinMind]

There isnt going to be alot of change along the OL. Alot of you need to prepare yourselves for that. Bernadeau im willing to bet was brought in to start at C. But his injury cost him. Kowalski's injury hurt alot IMO. Cook had done an admirable job but he's a backup plain and simple. I seriously think Free and Parnell are auditioning for 2013. If they see this spot as a tie then Free is done. If they thought Parnell couldnt play they wouldnt still be rotating them. So its not looking good for Free. Free or Parnell are going to be the RT in 2013.

RG i think is going to be a new guy

[LittleD]

We should & need to replace all but Smith...

Sadly we will do none of that...We will likely go with what we have had for the past year... Same song next year just a different verse.

Too Bad as I see 8 & 8 on the horizon again.

[Eddie]

Are you willing to bet another full season that Parnell is the answer at RT?

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by Eddie

Are you willing to bet another full season that Parnell is the answer at RT?

They may very well have to due to lack of cap space needed to fill BOTH the RG and the RT positions.

There are no guarantees out there. The Cowboys are competing again 31 other teams for available talent.

That being said I think a RG will be brought in via FA, an OT will be drafted somewhere between rounds 2 and 4.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Eddie

Are you willing to bet another full season that Parnell is the answer at RT?

Yes, I'm convinced that Parnell is better than Free right now and will continue to get better with experience.

My concern is the 3rd OT. Weems is the only candidate on the roster. It would be great to get Dallas Thomas in the draft. He could be a starter at OG and a quality backup at OT.

Originally Posted by Outlaw Heroes

Unless the Pats tag him, I'd make a strong push for Vollmer.

Vollmer has back problems. He only started 5 games in 2011 due to back problems. It appears that he is continuing to have back problems.

12/21/12 - OT Sebastian Vollmer (back/knee) remains limited with the injuries, especially the back, that have noticeably bothered him in recent game action.

12/13/12 - T Sebastian Vollmer continues to be listed as limited in practice because of the back and knee injuries that have bothered him in the last few games.

12/07/12 - T Sebastian Vollmer (back/knee) was limited in practice on Thursday. The right tackle returned to action last Sunday in Miami after missing a week of action, but also struggled for most of the game and played like a guy dealing with a back injury.

12/02/12 - OT Sebastian Vollmer returned to his starting right tackle spot against Miami, after missing the Thanksgiving night trip to New York with a back injury.

11/30/12 - T Sebastian Vollmer returned to practice on a limited basis on Thursday after missing practice a day earlier and sitting out the Thanksgiving game in New York with back and knee injuries.

[RS12]

Originally Posted by xwalker

I’m going to list some different OL combos to start the 2013 season.

In all scenarios, the following conditions apply:
1. Bernadeau must be replaced as the starting RG.
2. Must have an experienced RG next to Parnell.
3. Must have a backup Center that is pushing to start. Cook cannot run block. A draft pick would be preferred; although Kevin Kowalski might be an option and Bernadeau might be better at OC than at OG.
4. Must have at least 1 backup OG that is pushing to start at some point. Draft picks would be preferred. Leary might be an option. Kowalski and David Arkin are in the mix, I guess.
5. Must find a legit backup OT. Darrion Weems is the only candidate currently on the roster. They could use a draft pick here also. Maybe a dual purpose OT/OG type.

Option 1: Most ready on day 1, but limited upside.
[View Full Quote]LT Tyron Smith - Just turned 22. He should continue to get better.

LG Nate Livings - Could be the best option to start the season at LG.

OC Phil Costa - Could be the best option to start the season at OC. Need to draft a backup OC in the top 3 rounds.

RG Brandon Moore - He is an experienced RG that played 4 years for Callahan.

RT Jermey Parnell - Parnell has the physical ability and now a little bit of experience.


Option 2: No Free Agents
LT Tyron Smith

LG Ronald Leary - NFL level physical ability, but he looked a bit lost in preseason.

OC Phil Costa - Need to draft a backup OC in the top 3 rounds.

RG Nate Livings. - Moved to RG to keep veteran next to Parnell.

RT Jermey Parnell - Parnell has the physical ability and now a little bit of experience.


Option 3: Draft Pick becomes a Starter
LT Tyron Smith

LG Draft Pick – If drafting an OG early, it would be good to have one that can play OC also.

OC Phil Costa - Need to draft a backup OC in the top 3 rounds.

RG Nate Livings or Brandon Moore, or other Veteran (Matt Slauson, Jets).

RT Jermey Parnell - Parnell has the physical ability and now a little bit of experience.


Summary:

The backup and future starter at Center is the most difficult position to find. There are multiple options in the Draft and Free Agency at OG and backup OT, but Near-Zero Centers in FA and only about 3 really good options in the draft.

Too many scenarios with Costa at C.

[brymatt94]

Originally Posted by RS12

Too many scenarios with Costa at C.

Thinking the same thing. I'm honestly still not sold on Costa at center. The best bet is to draft someone high that can start right away. I really like Barrett Jones from Alabama. He can play all three positions on the line, and is just very versatile.