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Old 01-10-2013   #1
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Default MacMahon: Jerry Jones ignoring the real issue

If owner was really serious about change at Valley Ranch, he'd step down as GM


The more things change at Valley Ranch, the more they stay the same.

Jerry Jones sure has followed through on his vow to make folks out there uncomfortable. Running backs coach Skip Peete and defensive coordinator Rob Ryan already have been kicked to the curb -- or beach, in Ryan's case. Ryan's guys have been told to go ahead and interview for other gigs in case whoever is hired as defensive coordinator doesn't want to keep them. The offensive assistants can't feel too secure, either, with Jerry on a postseason power trip.

Head coach Jason Garrett, who might or might not still have a say on who makes up his staff, might get his play-calling duties revoked. His opinion doesn't seem to carry much weight in the matter, at least not as much as what Jerry hears from his good-ol'-boy advisory committee of outsiders. The process of turning a man with a spine into a Jerry puppet apparently takes two seasons without a playoff bid.

Garrett will definitely head into his third training camp "in charge" -- and quotes are necessary there now -- with the hottest seat in the NFL.

Too bad someone can't turn up the heat in the general manager's office.

The fact that Jerry Jones won't even consider stepping down as general manager makes him the NFL's biggest hypocrite.


http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/...er-stepping-gm

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This is the story of the offseason. Not my fault if it's like Groundhog's Day. It looks like Jason Garrett has lost whatever power he had, if he had any, and we're back to full-Jerry.

This complete lunatic has decided what the team needs right now after 17 years of failure is more of him.

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This is the story of the offseason. Not my fault if it's like Groundhog's Day. It looks like Jason Garrett has lost whatever power he had, if he had any, and we're back to full-Jerry.

This complete lunatic has decided what the team needs right now after 17 years of failure is more of him.
Whether or not Garrett is a puppet or not is not the important issue.

The important issue, as McMahon points out, is that everyone over the years has been accountable except for the GM. 128-128 record with different players, coaches, schemes, scouts...same GM and Ownership.

THAT is the problem.

And people can drone on and on about how Jerry just takes the info he is given and decides from there.

Well when you know the guy owns the team and is the GM...Chances are if you want to keep your job you are going to start catering to what that guy wants...even if it is a slight lean towards things he prefers in players, coaches, attitudes or schemes or anything else. Sad thing is in the end after catering to what the boss wants...it is you who gets fired for doing what he wants.

So even if for some reason Jerry makes a good call...it will just be seen as the same old Jerry messing with things. You can't hold everyone else accountable without holding yourself accountable when you have a 128-128 record. There should come a time when you realize you are either the problem or a major part of the problem.

I wonder if Jerry has realized that and just thinks he can change it or turn it around without stepping down...or I wonder if he really does not realize he is part of the problem.

Either one is disturbing.



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Whether or not Garrett is a puppet or not is not the important issue.

The important issue, as McMahon points out, is that everyone over the years has been accountable except for the GM. 128-128 record with different players, coaches, schemes, scouts...same GM and Ownership.

THAT is the problem.
Whether Garrett is a puppet is pretty important since he's going to be the head coach next year. Can't win with a puppet.

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Whether Garrett is a puppet is pretty important since he's going to be the head coach next year. Can't win with a puppet.
You can have a Puppet HC like Campo or one who was not a Puppet like Tuna.

End of the day the results are about the same.

Until Jerry steps down as GM or completely changes his ways as GM...I don't care what kind of HC you have...because that is not the real issue here.


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You can have a Puppet HC like Campo or one who was not a Puppet like Tuna.

End of the day the results are about the same.

Until Jerry steps down as GM or completely changes his ways as GM...I don't care what kind of HC you have...because that is not the real issue here.
You didn't see a significant difference between Campo and Parcells? I did. We turned around under the Tuna. We were a rudderless ship with Campo.

You seem to be saying you don't think we can win as long as Jerry's here. As negative as I am about him I don't agree with that. I think we can. It's just going to take the right coach. Someone who commands a lot of respect, has a good eye for talent and is capable of working around Jerry.

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Whether or not Garrett is a puppet or not is not the important issue.

The important issue, as McMahon points out, is that everyone over the years has been accountable except for the GM. 128-128 record with different players, coaches, schemes, scouts...same GM and Ownership.

THAT is the problem.

And people can drone on and on about how Jerry just takes the info he is given and decides from there.

Well when you know the guy owns the team and is the GM...Chances are if you want to keep your job you are going to start catering to what that guy wants...even if it is a slight lean towards things he prefers in players, coaches, attitudes or schemes or anything else. Sad thing is in the end after catering to what the boss wants...it is you who gets fired for doing what he wants.

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Whether or not Garrett is a puppet or not is not the important issue.

The important issue, as McMahon points out, is that everyone over the years has been accountable except for the GM. 128-128 record with different players, coaches, schemes, scouts...same GM and Ownership.

THAT is the problem.

And people can drone on and on about how Jerry just takes the info he is given and decides from there.

Well when you know the guy owns the team and is the GM...Chances are if you want to keep your job you are going to start catering to what that guy wants...even if it is a slight lean towards things he prefers in players, coaches, attitudes or schemes or anything else. Sad thing is in the end after catering to what the boss wants...it is you who gets fired for doing what he wants.

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The Ring Master strikes again. He can not GM a team past .500 but he can make headlines.

Look what Jerry has articulated since going 8-8 a week ago...he has kept Dallas in the spotlight and diverted all the negative talk to positive spin.

He panicked again and went after the biggest name he could find in hopes of diverting the blame into a shinny new beginning.

Dallas ran a 4-3 Tampa 2 under Mike Zimmer in 2002. Then it was a 3-4 a la Bill P. Then it was the 3-4 under of Wade, then Wade personally had to run the defense because it didn't deliver. Then it was Ryan's 3-4. Now ten years later, its back to the 4-3 Tampa and 4 Head Coaches later, 5 Defensive Coordinators later and 4 defensive schemes. All that in 10 years. Its a rudderless ship in terms of team identity and personal but Jerry can always sing "Tomorrow".
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This is the story of the offseason. Not my fault if it's like Groundhog's Day. It looks like Jason Garrett has lost whatever power he had, if he had any, and we're back to full-Jerry.

This complete lunatic has decided what the team needs right now after 17 years of failure is more of him.
He has gone full Al Davis.

Of all the people in the world, why did Jerry Jones have to buy my favorite sports team.

Thank God hockey is back. It will take my mind off of this mess.
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He has gone full Al Davis.

Of all the people in the world, why did Jerry Jones have to buy my favorite sports team.

Thank God hockey is back. It will take my mind off of this mess.
I'm waiting for the franchise savior, the great Stephen Jones, to talk some sense into him.

Any day now.

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I'm waiting for the franchise savior, the great Stephen Jones, to talk some sense into him.

Any day now.

that would be funny if it werent so sad
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I'm waiting for the franchise savior, the great Stephen Jones, to talk some sense into him.

Any day now.
And just how far does the apple fall from the tree?
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We've got to wait him out folks.

Stay healthy.
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All this shuffling at Valley Ranch is like treating a rash without dealing with the cause of the allergic reaction.
I like that.


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