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lvnindapast · 05-13-2005

joe montana is the greatest quarterback ever to play the game.

Rack Bauer · 05-13-2005

No, he isn't.

Aussie Cowboy · 05-13-2005

Dan Marino is if you look at individual passing records but football is a team game and I'd bet that Dan would trade in all of those records for one Superbowl ring.

Hurls · 05-13-2005

QB skills alone, no, Montana isn't. But the guy was a winner for the most part. Overall I'd say Elway was the best. Even Troy had some qualities better than Montana.

Rack Bauer · 05-13-2005

John Elway is the greatest QB of all time.

blindzebra · 05-13-2005

Too many factors to go by, you can argue stats and say Marino, you can argue championships and say Montana or Bradshaw, you can be a true Cowboys fan and say Staubach.

Cowboy Bill Watts · 05-17-2005

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Too many factors to go by, you can argue stats and say Marino, you can argue championships and say Montana or Bradshaw, you can be a true Cowboys fan and say Staubach.

or you can say staubach because it's the truth.......

Roughneck · 05-13-2005

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Originally Posted by Rack

John Elway is the greatest QB of all time.

Ding Ding Ding

We have a winner.

Fletch · 05-14-2005

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Originally Posted by Rack

John Elway is the greatest QB of all time.

No he isn't. 2 rings says NOTHING! Elway needed Terrell Davis for two healthy seasons to be considered a top 5 QB.

Johnny Unitas should be arguably the best.

Don't hate me because you know I am right. Just ask tothewhipbill!

jman · 05-14-2005

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Originally Posted by Fletch

No he isn't. 2 rings says NOTHING! Elway needed Terrell Davis for two healthy seasons to be considered a top 5 QB.

Johnny Unitas should be arguably the best.

Don't hate me because you know I am right. Just ask tothewhipbill!

Not so fast there Fletch...The greatest QB ever to play the game, you ask?...I give you....

Otto Graham.

[font=Helvetica][font=Times New Roman]Born: [/font][/font][font=Helvetica][font=Times New Roman]Dec. 6, 1921
Football QB and basketball All-America at Northwestern[/font][/font]

[font=Times New Roman]in pro ball, led Cleveland Browns to 7 league titles in 10 years, winning 4 AAFC championships (1946-49) and 3 NFL (1950,54-55); 5-time All-Pro; 2-time NFL MVP (1953,55).[/font]

[font=Times New Roman][font=Helvetica]Died: [/font][font=Helvetica]Dec. 17, 2003[/font][/font]

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[font=Verdana]"Otto Graham was the best of all time," former Cleveland Browns Coach Paul Brown said of his quarterback. Maybe he was biased. On the other hand, not many players win seven championships in ten years.[/font][font=Arial][/font]

[font=Verdana]"Imagine a quarterback leading his team to 10 straight Super Bowls today, and you have a measure of the kind of man Otto Graham was," wrote the late Los Angeles Times columnist Jim Murray. [/font]

[font=Verdana]No, the Super Bowl didn't exist when Otto Graham was a pro quarterback. In his first four seasons as quarterback of the Cleveland Browns in the old All America Football Conference starting in 1946, however, all he did was lead the Browns to all four championships. He passed for a total of 86 touchdowns during the four seasons, and the Browns were 52-4-3. [/font]

[font=Verdana]The so-called experts laughed, because they said the AAFC was inferior to the NFL, and when the Browns joined they would be taught a lesson. In his first season in the NFL, however, Graham threw four touchdown passes and led the Browns to a 31-28 championship game victory over the Los Angeles Rams. [/font]

[font=Verdana]In fact, Graham led the Browns to a division championship for ten straight years in the two leagues from 1946-1955. He capped his career by leading the Browns to a sixth and seventh championship his last two seasons. In 1954 the Browns beat Detroit 56-10. The following year he closed out his career by beating the Rams 38-10. [/font]

[font=Verdana]Not only was he the top AAFC quarterback, but Graham was also an NFL all-pro four times. He was the NFL top passer twice, had the highest completion average three times, was NFL MVP twice,and threw for the most yardage of any quarterback twice. [/font]

[font=Verdana]In 10 seasons Graham threw 1,464 completions in 2,626 attempts for a 55.8% completion rate. He three for 23,585 yards, 174 touchdowns and 135 interceptions. He was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1965. [/font]

[font=Verdana]"When Paul Brown talked contract, the championship game was part of it," Graham nicknaknamed, "automatic Otto," said. We took the championship game for granted. [/font]

[font=Verdana]"I could throw a pass to a spot as well as anyone who ever lived," Graham said. "But that's a God-given talent. I could never stand back and flick the ball 60 yards downfield ...like Dan Marino." [/font]

[font=Verdana]"The test of a quarterback is where his team finishes," Paul Brown said. "By that standard, Otto Graham was the best of all time." [/font]

[font=Verdana]A naturally gifted athlete, Graham had talent for more than football. He was a basketball All American. He was third in balloting for the Heisman Trophy at Northwestern, not known at that time for successful college football programs. [/font]

[font=Verdana]In his first year as a professional he played football for the Browns and basketball for the Rochester Royalls of the National Basketball League. Both teams won championships. After that season he concentrated exclusively on football. [/font]

[font=Verdana]He was discovered at an intramural football game. Northwestern Coach Pappy Waldorf urged him to try out for the Northwestern team. Many football fans are glad he did.[/font]
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**ABQCOWBOY** · 05-16-2005

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Originally Posted by jman

Not so fast there Fletch...The greatest QB ever to play the game, you ask?...I give you....

Otto Graham.

[font=Helvetica][font=Times New Roman]Born: [/font][/font][font=Helvetica][font=Times New Roman]Dec. 6, 1921
Football QB and basketball All-America at Northwestern[/font][/font]

[font=Times New Roman]in pro ball, led Cleveland Browns to 7 league titles in 10 years, winning 4 AAFC championships (1946-49) and 3 NFL (1950,54-55); 5-time All-Pro; 2-time NFL MVP (1953,55).[/font]

[font=Times New Roman][font=Helvetica]Died: [/font][font=Helvetica]Dec. 17, 2003[/font][/font]

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Ding, ding, ding.

I hate the fact that every year we have this discussion and every year, it's usually me that says no discussion on this subject is complete without Graham. Good job there jman.

My personal favorite will always be Roger. I'll take him over anybody.

Montana was better then Elway IMO. Elway never did it by himself contrary to what some may think.

Otto Graham compares favorably to any modern QB in a time that none of the modern QBs could have put up anything close to the numbers they had today. He's got more championships and he's got the win/loss record to boot. In my mind, Otto Graham was the best.

ravidubey · 05-16-2005

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

Ding, ding, ding.

I hate the fact that every year we have this discussion and every year, it's usually me that says no discussion on this subject is complete without Graham. Good job there jman.

My personal favorite will always be Roger. I'll take him over anybody.

Montana was better then Elway IMO. Elway never did it by himself contrary to what some may think.

Otto Graham compares favorably to any modern QB in a time that none of the modern QBs could have put up anything close to the numbers they had today. He's got more championships and he's got the win/loss record to boot. In my mind, Otto Graham was the best.

Graham played in an era that had no clue how to defend the pass. The AAFL was a joke. The NFL was barely a sports league. The concept of a zone defense was 20 years away form being invented. Zone blitzes wouldn't be invented for 50 years.

Graham should be part of the discussion, but the question was who's the best EVER, and I'm sorry but that leaves the old timers in the dust.

**trickblue** · 05-18-2005

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Originally Posted by jman

Not so fast there Fletch...The greatest QB ever to play the game, you ask?...I give you....

Otto Graham.

DING DING DING... we have a winner!

**jobberone** · 05-14-2005

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Originally Posted by Fletch

No he isn't. 2 rings says NOTHING! Elway needed Terrell Davis for two healthy seasons to be considered a top 5 QB.

Johnny Unitas should be arguably the best.

Don't hate me because you know I am right. Just ask tothewhipbill!

Well Fletch, not only do I agree with you but I think a poll of players and writers all came to the conclusion Johnny U was the greatest ever. A large poll.

But I guess many here never saw him in his prime.

Maybe we're just showing our age. Our maybe it's just me.

Rack Bauer · 05-13-2005

Or you can be right and say John Elway.