Screen Pass?

[Star-Fan]

Hey gang! I've had this question for a few weeks now.. It started when I read that thread about favorite MNF play. Winicki mentionted the screen to Tony Dorsett vs the Colts. Anyway... to those of you that know Bledsoe, how good has he been over his career with the screen? I know that we haven't had a great screen game for years now. Is this the year we develope that wrinkle?

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[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by Star-Fan

Hey gang! I've had this question for a few weeks now.. It started when I read that thread about favorite MNF play. Winicki mentionted the screen to Tony Dorsett vs the Colts. Anyway... to those of you that know Bledsoe, how good has he been over his career with the screen? I know that we haven't had a great screen game for years now. Is this the year we develope that wrinkle?

Screen are a lot harder to run now days, defenses do such a great job of reading and dropping back toward the RB. I think your better off running quick flare passes out to the RB

[WoodysGirl]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Screen are a lot harder to run now days, defenses do such a great job of reading and dropping back toward the RB. I think your better off running quick flare passes out to the RB

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't it also predicated on having a quick release, which is not what Bledsoe is known for having?

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by Woody'sGirl

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't it also predicated on having a quick release, which is not what Bledsoe is known for having?

Bledsoe has a nice quick release. But the screen pass is not where your money is at. It doesn't always get you up field which is your goal. A screen pass is sometimes the last option the QB has.

[WoodysGirl]

Originally Posted by Banned_n_austin

Bledsoe has a nice quick release. But the screen pass is not where your money is at. It doesn't always get you up field which is your goal. A screen pass is sometimes the last option the QB has.

Oh ok, gotcha.

Now that I've put my ignornance on display, I'll go back to posting Cowboy news...

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by Woody'sGirl

Oh ok, gotcha.

Now that I've put my ignornance on display, I'll go back to posting Cowboy news...

You post whatever you want, whenever you want, however you want and do it often.

[Tio]

Originally Posted by Banned_n_austin

Bledsoe has a nice quick release. But the screen pass is not where your money is at. It doesn't always get you up field which is your goal. A screen pass is sometimes the last option the QB has.

That is impossible. If there is a screen pass, than it was a designed play. YOu wouldn't sacrifice a OL and te to block in the flat with it being your last option.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by Tio

That is impossible. If there is a screen pass, than it was a designed play. YOu wouldn't sacrifice a OL and te to block in the flat with it being your last option.

Your right, screen has nothing to do with last options, once the linemen pull out they do a 3 count before looking to run up field to make the blocks if the play is delayed at all your looking at illegal men down field. This is not college where lineman can be 3 to 5 yards down field before the pass.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by Woody'sGirl

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't it also predicated on having a quick release, which is not what Bledsoe is known for having?

Bledsoe may hold on to the ball too long but that is when he is looking to make a play down field, if your running a quick pattern (Slants, quick outs and screens) Bledsoe can still do the job. But again what I have seen in recent years is how quick the defense are at recognizing screens and reacting back towards the runner

[kartr]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Bledsoe may hold on to the ball too long but that is when he is looking to make a play down field, if your running a quick pattern (Slants, quick outs and screens) Bledsoe can still do the job. But again what I have seen in recent years is how quick the defense are at recognizing screens and reacting back towards the runner

Is he really holding on to the ball too long for that reason or is it that he's just to slow in reading defenses as Jaws suggested. It seems to me that if he really knew what he was doing, he'd throw it away rather than taking needless sacks.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by kartr

Is he really holding on to the ball too long for that reason or is it that he's just to slow in reading defenses as Jaws suggested. It seems to me that if he really knew what he was doing, he'd throw it away rather than taking needless sacks.

Bledsoe knows what he is doing which is why he has been in the league 12 years and he has had success with Parcells. I have no doubt we will take shot down field with Bledsoe but I think we will see a lot of seam routs with Witten and the slants with Key and those routs in which Bledsoe will get rid of the ball quickly. In the end I don't know how Bledsoe will do for the season but as a fan he has my support and I wish the best for him unlike yourself who seems to be stuck in the past with a QB who is no longer and as a matter of fact a QB with a job what so ever in the NFL which tells me how little others think of him.

[scottsp]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Screen are a lot harder to run now days, defenses do such a great job of reading and dropping back toward the RB. I think your better off running quick flare passes out to the RB

Absolutely. Defenses are better prepared these days. It's just one of those plays they've become familiar with and what to look for. Also, the athletes up front have much better range that allows them to better disrupt such trick-em plays.

Back when TD and Ron Springs were taking those screens for fifteen a pop, the average defensive lineman had little chance to make a play from behind. Meanwhile, run-of-the-mill LBs really wanted no part of a 275 pound offensive tackle barreling down the field, leading a convoy.

[zorg222]

I think it's more of the OL's job when it comes to screens, bad OL=bad screens, good OL=good screens, then the RB always has to be good, but QBs don't play a huge role in it.

[playit12]

The main problem Bledsoe will have with the screen pass is in avoiding the pass rush until the trap is set. He needs to quickly backpeddle to pull the faster DEs into the backfield before dropping of the pass. Offensive Linemen will usually chip the incomming defender in order to buy some time, but asking them to do more than that is usually a recipe for Holding calls.

Having said all of that, here are the three things you need to run a good screen play. Fast interior linemen, quick footed QB with a soft touch, and running back with good hands and excellent vision.

We aren't exacly fast on the interior with Allen and Rivera...
Bledsoe is not quick footed
I consider JJ still untested as far as his pass catching is concerned, but he does have good vision.

Also I certainly don't think the screen is dead. Several teams use the screen very effectively including the Colts and Lions. It is quite useful to punish an over-agressive defense. Screen plays commit the defense to defending the RB out of the backfield and hold the line backers in the box.

The Cowboys rarely employ the screen now and instead use the draw play to the same effect. Considering the age and speed of our gaurds, I don't expect that to change this year.

[Star-Fan]

Originally Posted by playit12

The main problem Bledsoe will have with the screen pass is in avoiding the pass rush until the trap is set. He needs to quickly backpeddle to pull the faster DEs into the backfield before dropping of the pass. Offensive Linemen will usually chip the incomming defender in order to buy some time, but asking them to do more than that is usually a recipe for Holding calls.

Having said all of that, here are the three things you need to run a good screen play. Fast interior linemen, quick footed QB with a soft touch, and running back with good hands and excellent vision.

We aren't exacly fast on the interior with Allen and Rivera...
Bledsoe is not quick footed
I consider JJ still untested as far as his pass catching is concerned, but he does have good vision.

[View Full Quote]Also I certainly don't think the screen is dead. Several teams use the screen very effectively including the Colts and Lions. It is quite useful to punish an over-agressive defense. Screen plays commit the defense to defending the RB out of the backfield and hold the line backers in the box.

The Cowboys rarely employ the screen now and instead use the draw play to the same effect. Considering the age and speed of our gaurds, I don't expect that to change this year.

True. But, was it last year that talk out of camp was the 'Boys were looking into trying the screen? Maybe it was BP's first year. I was just wondering if Bp and Bledsoe used it before. D@mn I wish this off season would end already. Hey wouldn't it be great if NFL the season lasted as long as NBA?

That song 'How far is Heaven?' applies now don't it?