Billy the Kid

[Nors]

Will he cost us games this year?

Win games in the clutch like his epic Giant game?

Is there any competition coming for the job?


Do you feel good or bad about our placekicker?

[jksmith269]

Originally Posted by Nors

Will he cost us games this year?

Win games in the clutch like his epic Giant game?

Is there any competition coming for the job?


Do you feel good or bad about our placekicker?

I'm Willing to give billy another year. I think he will improve his leg strength and be more consistant. and yes there is a rookie from Fresno (I think) going to camp to compete with him.

[Nors]

I saw him his Rookie year at the Vet. Pregame the kid hits a sweet ball. Very accurate inside 40 - range iffy.


KICKING

Year Team G 1-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ Tot Lg Blk Pct XP XPG Pct
2002 Dallas Cowboys 16 0-0 3-3 5-7 4-8 0-1 12-19 48 0 63.2 25-25 25 100.0
2003 Dallas Cowboys 15 0-0 11-11 5-6 4-7 3-5 23-29 52 0 79.3 30-31 30 96.8
2004 Dallas Cowboys 16 1-1 6-6 4-4 9-13 0-2 20-26 49 0 76.9 31-31 31 100.0
TOTAL 47 1-1 20-20 14-17 17-28 3-8 55-74 52 0 74.3 86-87 86 98.9


Thats 21-21 inside 30, 14-17 30-39 yards, 3-8 50+

% = 74.3%

[Nors]

Good comparison is Matt Stover. Stover was only 72.6% first 3 years but lethal inside 40. Today after a 16 year career - at 83% overall, 138/141 inside 30

Vanderjerk #'s are sic - career 87%

[big dog cowboy]

Decent enough place kicker, sucks as a kick off guy however. In other words, nothing special and will be in the top 4 or 5 of least talented positions on our team.

[Big D]

Originally Posted by big dog cowboy

Decent enough place kicker, sucks as a kick off guy however. In other words, nothing special and will be in the top 4 or 5 of least talented positions on our team.

I agree.. Billy seems to have good leg strength for field goals in practice he needs learn to focus in game situations.

As for kickoffs we need to get anyone in that can get the ball in the endzone consistently. I hate when the opposing team is GIVEN 10-20 of BPs 'hidden yards' due to a poor kickoff.

[Nors]

Originally Posted by Big D

I agree.. Billy seems to have good leg strength for field goals in practice he needs learn to focus in game situations.

As for kickoffs we need to get anyone in that can get the ball in the endzone consistently. I hate when the opposing team is GIVEN 10-20 of BPs 'hidden yards' due to a poor kickoff.

Dallas was 9th in the league last year in kick return average coverage. I wonder net if he's really costing us 10-20 yards. We also gave up no KR TD's.
Hangtime versus distance is a coverage guys friend sometimes.

But point taken on leg strength -

[jksmith269]

Originally Posted by Nors

Dallas was 9th in the league last year in kick return average coverage. I wonder net if he's really costing us 10-20 yards. We also gave up no KR TD's.
Hangtime versus distance is a coverage guys friend sometimes.

But point taken on leg strength -

Wrong nors we were first with 17.5 per return not 9th

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by Nors

Dallas was 9th in the league last year in kick return average coverage.

Hangtime versus distance is a coverage guys friend sometimes.

I would rather have a kickoff go 10 yards further and give up 5 extra return yards. So your kick return average takes a hit but the opposing offense has a longer field to work with.

[jksmith269]

Originally Posted by big dog cowboy

I would rather have a kickoff go 10 yards further and give up 5 extra return yards. So your kick return average takes a hit but the opposing offense has a longer field to work with.

Read my previous post we gave up onaverage 1.82 yards in distance on kickoffs but gave up 5.23yards less per return so that means we did what you want with out having to kick 10yards more and giving up more yards.

look at it like this if the 14 teams ahead of us (except zona and Jax) opponets average start was the 25 then our average opponets start would have been the 21-22

[jksmith269]

Originally Posted by Big D

I agree.. Billy seems to have good leg strength for field goals in practice he needs learn to focus in game situations.

As for kickoffs we need to get anyone in that can get the ball in the endzone consistently. I hate when the opposing team is GIVEN 10-20 of BPs 'hidden yards' due to a poor kickoff.

Funny we gave up the least number of yards per return in the NFL and say what you want but Billy averaged 61.7 yards per kick off and average return of 17.5

Only 2 teams averaged kickoffs over 65 yards Zona and Jax zona gave up 22.1 per return and Jax gave up 19.9

Off all the teams who averaged longer kick offs than Billy (excluding zona and Jax) they averaged 1.83 yards per kick longer than billy but gave up on average 5.23 yards more in returns than Dallas. and that is 14 teams

of those 14 teams
4 averaged 64.1-64.9 per kickoff
7 averaged 63.0-63.8
3 averaged 62.1-62.9
Billy 61.7


Billy does fine on kickoffs knock him for kicks over 40 but not on kickoffs he may not get many TB's but you cant cause a fumble on a TB either.

[lane]

all billy needs to worry about is kicking a hell of a lot of extra points.

[Manster68]

Originally Posted by Nors

Will he cost us games this year?

Win games in the clutch like his epic Giant game?

Is there any competition coming for the job?


Do you feel good or bad about our placekicker?

Any time a team has a kicker who struggles to be consistant on his home turf, with virtually no wind, is a liability in my book.

[Nors]

Source - I pulled it quick off NFL.Com

I could be wrong.

[jksmith269]

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NF...1=9&_1:col_2=9