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**trickblue** · 08-02-2004

King was in Oxnard for the a.m. practice yesterday... no mention on whether or not Mary Beth was with him...

King:

BP seems very happy and content... was very impressed with that...
Vinny looked good... great mechanics and arm...
Vinny will probably be QB at some point this season...
George will be an asset to this team... leadership will be invaluable...
Felt Dallas paid a bit much for him until after the Miami debaucle...
George has the lowest YPC of any 6000+ runner... but that is not always indicative of quality... watch him play...
Doesn't feel BP will have a quick hook with Q... If Q has a 2 game stretch of bad play... he will be pulled...
Q was taking check-downs and throwing the short pass to avoid mistakes... Vinny was letting it rip...
Dallas HAS to be able to hit Glenn deep... Q must make that throw...
Mentions Mary Beth...
Julius Jones is a tremendous football player... give him a chance...
Dallas significantly improved at RB...
Daleroy Stewart is a player to watch... not an "invention" of BP...
King said call him crazy on his Seahawk-Jaguar SB prediction... D&M called him crazy...
One bizarre team is always in the SB... felt after GB/Sea game that Seahawks were very good... Jags will probably be the surprise team... (What will Philly think?)

Woods · 08-02-2004

Hmmmm . . . . Seems as though G Wistrom is having some back problems as well . . . .

But the Seahawks are a good team, nonetheless.

Doomsday101 · 08-02-2004

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As I have stated before it will not be a shocker to me if Vinny outright wins this job. I do think the ball is in Carter's court right now but it is going to come down to what it should come down to and that is performance

Woods · 08-02-2004

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As I have stated before it will not be a shocker to me if Vinny outright wins this job. I do think the ball is in Carter's court right now but it is going to come down to what it should come down to and that is performance

I think as BP stated earlier, this could also come down to the play of our OL.

As several of the posters at Oxnard have pointed out, QC has a decent ability to avoid the rush. However, if our OL pass protection improves, Vinny's chances probably improve significantly. Otherwise, I think the odds favor QC significantly.

Doomsday101 · 08-02-2004

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I think as BP stated earlier, this could also come down to the play of our OL.

As several of the posters at Oxnard have pointed out, QC has a decent ability to avoid the rush. However, if our OL pass protection improves, Vinny's chances probably improve significantly. Otherwise, I think the odds favor QC significantly.

Again then it would be performance, face it last year when Carter avoided the rush it was pretty common to see a poor pass or indecision to follow. If Carter improves in that area he clearly gives himself a better opportunity. Fact is even QB who are not fleet of foot can do avoid sacks by getting rid of the ball quicker. in a Ball control offense the last thing you can afford is having turnovers; this is not the Rams offense of the 90's who could put up 30 or 40 points in a game so our mistakes become critical

Little Jr · 08-02-2004

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I think as BP stated earlier, this could also come down to the play of our OL.

As several of the posters at Oxnard have pointed out, QC has a decent ability to avoid the rush. However, if our OL pass protection improves, Vinny's chances probably improve significantly. Otherwise, I think the odds favor QC significantly.

Vinny will start as long as the OL is as good as last year. It doesn't have to be better just as good. Q threw 13 int's outside the pocket. It does no good to have ablity to get outside if you make stupid decisions.

If the OL is worst than last year, then we're in for a long year no matter who is the QB.

I still think the OL did a good job last year on pass blocking. It was the run blocking that was horrible.

Woods · 08-02-2004

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Vinny will start as long as the OL is as good as last year. It doesn't have to be better just as good. Q threw 13 int's outside the pocket. It does no good to have ablity to get outside if you make stupid decisions.

If the OL is worst than last year, then we're in for a long year no matter who is the QB.

I still think the OL did a good job last year on pass blocking. It was the run blocking that was horrible.

Well, if QC's decision making is as bad as last year, he might as well throw in the towel.

I've got to think he's learned something with having the continuity over the past off-season.

But I guess we won't really find out on 11-11 passing drills, etc.

I wonder how BP is going to dish out the playing time during the pre-season games for the QBs? I'd guess QC gets 2 starts and VT gets 2 starts? Romo and Henson play mostly in the 2nd half.

dargonking999 · 08-02-2004

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Well, if QC's decision making is as bad as last year, he might as well throw in the towel.

I've got to think he's learned something with having the continuity over the past off-season.

But I guess we won't really find out on 11-11 passing drills, etc.

I wonder how BP is going to dish out the playing time during the pre-season games for the QBs? I'd guess QC gets 2 starts and VT gets 2 starts? Romo and Henson play mostly in the 2nd half.

actually i heard that he's gonna have each QB start one preseason game expect for Romo and like last year by the 4 preseason game he will have his starter

Little Jr · 08-02-2004

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Well, if QC's decision making is as bad as last year, he might as well throw in the towel.

I've got to think he's learned something with having the continuity over the past off-season.

I have no confidence in him improving on his decision making. It got worst as the year went on and I see no reason why it will change this year.

If he would've improved as the year went on, it would have been different.

starfrombirth · 08-02-2004

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Is there anyway for all of us to hear this or a transcript?

**trickblue** · 08-02-2004

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Is there anyway for all of us to hear this or a transcript?

You can listen to The Ticket online... they will talk a good bit of football among their schtick... D&M and Norm are the most prevalent in football talk...

The Ticket

NOVA 22 · 08-02-2004

King really is such a googy guy. besides the things i think i think i think, he always has a few comments that just come off as pure spur of the moment guesswork. the comment about vinny playing this year - what is he really basing that on? his later comment that vinny is "letting it rip"??

not sure how this qualifies as journalism

Hollywood Henderson · 08-02-2004

I think the Comment "Let it rip" is a very important one...
Vinny KNOWS what he is doing and has the arm to do it....
Carter doesn't know what he is doing and his arm often fails him...

I would be shocked if Carter is our QB this year...

We need a real NFL QB to make our offense work and Vinny could make our offense very effective...

Vinny this year.
Hensen next...

jterrell · 08-02-2004

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Originally Posted by Hollywood Henderson

I think the Comment "Let it rip" is a very important one...
Vinny KNOWS what he is doing and has the arm to do it....
Carter doesn't know what he is doing and his arm often fails him...

I would be shocked if Carter is our QB this year...

We need a real NFL QB to make our offense work and Vinny could make our offense very effective...

Vinny this year.
Hensen next...

Unfortunately Jet fans will tell you last year Vinny was checking down every play and that contributed to their losing ways while he started.

King is probably the lone example of a reporter being willing to suggest Vinny "might" start thsi year in other than injury fill in situations.

The truth is Carter is right. He's the starter. BP as much as admitted that when confronted with QC's comments.

QC and Zimmer are both here to stay.

LaTunaNostra · 08-02-2004

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Unfortunately Jet fans will tell you last year Vinny was checking down every play and that contributed to their losing ways while he started.

True, JT, but that's not how Vinnie wanted it. He has so little carte blanche last year under the ultimate in anal retentive OCs, Paul Hackett, that going thru his read progressions like a rookie robot was considered great, but scoring was a superflous issue.

Vinnie was insulted last year, imho, by the extent to which he was programmed into the system. Before Chad Pennington became the starter, Hackett seemed to make a few allowances for Vinnie's skills, arm, overall game, and experience, But once Chad came to the fore, "Can't Hack-Its" beloved system (which CP works very well) held complete sway, like some dogma, some theology. So when CP got hurt in preseason, no way was Hacklett going to "waste" what he had accomplished re system implementation while Chad was recovering, even if it meant our season.

Hackett got what he wanted in his QB. A statistically impressive speciman. Tweaking that dink and dunk to give us a chance to actually win with VT didn't really seem to enter his mind.

Free Vinnie! Bill and Sean will make sure the wildness doesn't creep back into his game, and minimize the third and longs that sometimes led to problems, but they won't humiliate him with system slavery.

I don't know how much of the 1998 Vinnie Tesatverde still remains, even tho I saw every down he played as a Jet. But I do know that dink and dunkin robot with no right to audible or even change a problematic call last year was not Vinnie T.