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ThatsmyQB · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by CATCH17

If Mike Jenkins is there @ 22 and DRC is gone is there any way we can pass?

If EITHER of those 2 make it to #18 I'd TRADE UP!
If Jenkins or DRC make it out of the top 15 I'd be shocked, I am really praying Mayocks projection of Flowers was right, but not after his slow 40 time, I was really hoping he was the 1st C.B. taken cause that would mean one of the other 4 would definately fall to us!!

CATCH17 · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by ThatsmyQB

If EITHER of those 2 make it to #18 I'd TRADE UP!
If Jenkins or DRC make it out of the top 15 I'd be shocked, I am really praying Mayocks projection of Flowers was right, but not after his slow 40 time, I was really hoping he was the 1st C.B. taken cause that would mean one of the other 4 would definately fall to us!!

Hasn't Jenkins been getting trained by some professionals over the past couple of years as well?

I honestly think he is the Top Corner in this draft with Cromartie having more upside.

I know almost nothing about McKlevin but scouts love him.

theogt · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by CATCH17

Hasn't Jenkins been getting trained by some professionals over the past couple of years as well?

I honestly think he is the Top Corner in this draft with Cromartie having more upside.

I know almost nothing about McKlevin but scouts love him.

McKelvin may be the most overrated player in the draft at this point. I think he's a late 1st/ early 2nd round talent. Maybe even lower.

masomenos · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by theogt

McKelvin may be the most overrated player in the draft at this point. I think he's a late 1st/ early 2nd round talent. Maybe even lower.

I thought I was the only one.

Bob Sacamano · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by theogt

McKelvin may be the most overrated player in the draft at this point. I think he's a late 1st/ early 2nd round talent. Maybe even lower.

why do you say that? he had a great Senior Bowl week, runs fast enough

I think the fact that many people rate him higher than your boy Cason has alot to do w/ it, you like to tear down players to pimp your own

theogt · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

why do you say that? he had a great Senior Bowl week, runs fast enough

I don't see anything about him that says he should be a top 20 pick. He wasn't that dominant in college even at Troy. And his Combine numbers are pretty good, but they're not eye-popping. Like I said, I think he's a good prospect, but he's #1 or #2 on most people's lists and I just don't see anything that would merit that. You can say "he had a good Senior Bowl" but DRC has a much better performance. And if Cason and Jenkins were there, they'd have likely outshined him too.

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I think the fact that many people rate him higher than your boy Cason has alot to do w/ it, you like to tear down players to pimp your own

I'm not tearing him down. I just don't see anything that warrants him being the #1 or #2 corner. He's very good. I'd love to draft him. But I think people just follow everything that Mike Mayock says.

Chocolate Lab · 02-26-2008

Agree with theo and masomenos. IMO McKelvin was seen as the best corner of a mediocre lot. With all these guys exceeding expectations, I think that pushes him down some. I can't see why anyone would put him above the much bigger DRC, just to name one.

Bob Sacamano · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Agree with theo and masomenos. IMO McKelvin was seen as the best corner of a mediocre lot. With all these guys exceeding expectations, I think that pushes him down some. I can't see why anyone would put him above the much bigger DRC, just to name one.

no he wasn't, Mike Jenkins seemed to be the consensus #1 before the Combine

theogt · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

no he wasn't, Mike Jenkins seemed to be the consensus #1 before the Combine

No way. It was Brandon Flowers.

Bob Sacamano · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by theogt

No way. It was Brandon Flowers.

lol

btw, I said McKelvin had a great Senior Bowl, not just a good one

Chocolate Lab · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

lol

btw, I said McKelvin had a great Senior Bowl, not just a good one

It would've been nice to see him play in the actual game instead of just practice, though.

Bob Sacamano · 02-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

It would've been nice to see him play in the actual game instead of just practice, though.

meh, it would have been nice, but the scouts take the workouts more into consideration

masomenos · 02-26-2008

He just wasn't that dominant of a player, even at Troy. He doesn't have natural hands and kind of fights the ball when going for the INT, he didn't make a lot of plays on the ball and his combine wasn't as solid as some of the other top CBs. A lot of people have McKelvin as their #2 guy though. Really I think he's more like the 4th or 5th.

AdamJT13 · 04-23-2008

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Originally Posted by masomenos85

One thing that I've started doing when looking at the CBs is creating a "Plays On Ball" stat, which is basically just INTs + Deflections, then divide that number by pass attempts for a POB percentage.

Sometimes players also are credited with a PD when they make an interception, so that stat might not be accurate.

Biggems · 04-24-2008

i would be absolutely ecstatic if we drafted 2 CBs in the draft and they were Cason and Chevis.....two CBs who put up great numbers against top tier competition.