Hutch's is getting better, but.....

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by ChrisFul

Hos, why is it whenever I post something angry you ALWAYS assume it is YOU who I am talking about. This is about the 3rd or 4th time you've mistaken something I've said as being directed at you.

There's only ONE time Ive ever been cheesed off at you, and you knew it at the time.

The "Stupid" people I'm referring to are all the idiots who are incapable of debating with facts on this thread.

Thank you for explaining and excuse me for not understanding a response to me is directed at others.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by ChrisFul

Once again, nowhere ANYWHERE did i mention you-know-who until the last post.

Get off it, and stop throwing that in my face as your defense. You've lost this argument. Learn to debate next time. You do so with FACTS, not "oh yeah? Well you like X guy! He stinks! nah nah"

I know how to debate, and I lost because YOU said I did, that is a brilliant debating strategy.

You attack and dodge, that is all you do. Your FACTS were wrong earlier in this thread, but I never declared victory in the childish manner that you did, now did I?

Someone posed a guestion and instead of answering it in an adult manner, you went on the attack. I posed the guestion why, and you showed why you won't answer the guestion.

See in a debate, when someone makes a point and the other side shoots it down with FACTS...you know, showed it in a NFL game, without the little e...that side wins the arguement.

When one side makes a comparison and the other side makes an equally VALID one, the first side DOES NOT WIN.

If I can help you out with any further debating guestions, let me know.

[Jimz31]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Do you ever notice how whenever someone criticizes Carter, you ALWAYS bring up Hutchinson? Do you ever notice that when someone is critical of Carter there are a million and one excuses given for his short-comings?

A legitimate guestion was asked, why is giving Quincy a second/third chance and more time okay, but let's not give Chad the same treatment?

The Quincy crowd poo-pooed the whole guestion, WHY?

Who said that Quincy was being given ANY chances? It seemed to me that he EARNED the position that he is in does it not?
Why do "you people" continually "poo-poo" that?

You don't think the Carter/Stewart comparison is just as accurate as Hutchinson/Johnson?

Oh, that's right. The Almighty Quincy is off limits for comparison. It is blasphemous to envoke his name in any thread about Cowboys' QBs, unless the thread has Quincy in the title.

Give me an F'in break here.....you guys also compare him.....to say that you don't is a bald-faced lie, otherwise, you wouldn't KNOW if he sucked or not.....just WHO are YOU comparing him to?

When I compare him to somebody, I compare the two AT THE SAME POINT IN THEIR CAREERS, something "you people" DON'T do. You compare a seasoned vet's entire career, to Carter's early career....yeah, real good comparison.

You guys stand guard in protection of Carter as if he were the Holy Grail of NFL quarterbacks.

You guys act as if Carter were king satan of the NFL!

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Jimz31

Who said that Quincy was being given ANY chances? It seemed to me that he EARNED the position that he is in does it not?
Why do "you people" continually "poo-poo" that?



Give me an F'in break here.....you guys also compare him.....to say that you don't is a bald-faced lie, otherwise, you wouldn't KNOW if he sucked or not.....just WHO are YOU comparing him to?

When I compare him to somebody, I compare the two AT THE SAME POINT IN THEIR CAREERS, something "you people" DON'T do. You compare a seasoned vet's entire career, to Carter's early career....yeah, real good comparison.



You guys act as if Carter were king satan of the NFL!

Again, why not answer the guestion, instead of attacking the source?

What is so scary about answering the guestion of why give up on Hutchinson?

What is so scary about the comparison of Carter and Stewart?

[Jimz31]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Again, why not answer the guestion, instead of attacking the source?

What is so scary about answering the guestion of why give up on Hutchinson?

What is so scary about the comparison of Carter and Stewart?

I never said to give up on him. Do you not agree that he was thrown to the fire too quickly? I still say he needs more time. I think it was a good idea to send him to Europe, but he still has some of the same problems.

Who said it was so scary? I never said it was a scary question.....if I would have had the question posed to me I would have answered it. I haven't read EVERY post on this thread.

Are you comparing Stewart early in his career to Carter? If so, fine.

Why not compare Carter to McNabb's early career? Their stats are remarkably similar.....I'll bet that scares you though huh?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Jimz31

I never said to give up on him. Do you not agree that he was thrown to the fire too quickly? I still say he needs more time. I think it was a good idea to send him to Europe, but he still has some of the same problems.

Who said it was so scary? I never said it was a scary question.....if I would have had the question posed to me I would have answered it. I haven't read EVERY post on this thread.

Are you comparing Stewart early in his career to Carter? If so, fine.

Why not compare Carter to McNabb's early career? Their stats are remarkably similar.....I'll bet that scares you though huh?

I wonder if Romo will be sent to Europe next year if this helps Hutchinson at all?

I'll bet some of our young WRs might get a ticket over.

I think I am more excited about how it has helped Keith Davis than anyone else we sent.

[Jimz31]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I wonder if Romo will be sent to Europe next year if this helps Hutchinson at all?

I'll bet some of our young WRs might get a ticket over.

I think I am more excited about how it has helped Keith Davis than anyone else we sent.

I agree with you. He (Davis) really seems to be inpressing over there.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Jimz31

I agree with you. He (Davis) really seems to be inpressing over there.

I haven't seen a single game, because I have cable, but the commentary about our players has really been interesting to me. Davis more than any other because I kind of liked him to unseat Dixon or Scott last year before he decided to paint a target on himself.

I have a feeling that the Front Office has to feel pretty encouraged when Davis and Hutchinson are named defensive and offensive players of the week.

It might open the doors for future players to get some chances.

I really hope that regardless of what else happens to our players over there that they consider it a positive experience and influence future players we send over to make the most of it.

[Jimz31]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I haven't seen a single game, because I have cable, but the commentary about our players has really been interesting to me. Davis more than any other because I kind of liked him to unseat Dixon or Scott last year before he decided to paint a target on himself.

I have a feeling that the Front Office has to feel pretty encouraged when Davis and Hutchinson are named defensive and offensive players of the week.

It might open the doors for future players to get some chances.

I really hope that regardless of what else happens to our players over there that they consider it a positive experience and influence future players we send over to make the most of it.

hopefully, they willstart showing it on FOX like they did the past couple of years. Usually, it is toward the end of the season.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Jimz31

I never said to give up on him. Do you not agree that he was thrown to the fire too quickly? I still say he needs more time. I think it was a good idea to send him to Europe, but he still has some of the same problems.

Who said it was so scary? I never said it was a scary question.....if I would have had the question posed to me I would have answered it. I haven't read EVERY post on this thread.

Are you comparing Stewart early in his career to Carter? If so, fine.

Why not compare Carter to McNabb's early career? Their stats are remarkably similar.....I'll bet that scares you though huh?

Yeah, they are similar in completion % and YPA, but McNabb is much better in TDs, INTs, rushing yards and rushing TDs. The biggest knock on McNabb is his accuracy and that is where he and Quincy match up well, the YPA is hurt by the WCO.

In there first 3 years, Quincy 31 games/McNabb 38, McNabb averaged 1.42 TDs per game, Q .93. NcNabb averaged .84 INTs/G, Q 1.16/G. McNabb rushed for 37.5 YPG, Q 16 YPG. McNabb ran for .21 TDs/G, Q .097 TDs/G.

You don't want me to compare his first 31 with Brady or Warner do you?

[junk]

Originally Posted by ChrisFul

Why? What's the point? Anytime i even MENTION his name, the "Apologist! Jock Sniffer!" calls start cascading, and whatever legitimate topic the thread is about gets stomped all to hell in a bash fest and/or personal insults. You cannot mention his name on this board without having it degenerate into a bunch of childish retardedness.

Im glad someone likes what small insight i can bring to our starting QB on this board. Now that i've answered hos..

Im not answering any more stupid posts from stupid fans(you know who you are) in this stupid thread. Feel free to flame me if you wish, no retaliation will be offered.

I am stupid for asking why Hutch isn't given the same chances or excuses of Carter? Where did I ever personally insult anyone? How was anything I posted childish? Anything I have ever said negative towards QC is simply criticism, which I think I am entitled to. I think he has shortcomings as a player.

I will agree bashing comes from both sides. There are extremists on both sides, but also those that have an opinion and try to make reasonable arguments for or against their side. If people give legitimate reasons for their support of carter, I have no issue with it. I do have a problem with the fact that the rules don't seem to apply to him and he is held to a different standard than any other player. I gave, what I believe to be, legitimate reasons earlier in this thread why I don't think Carter has what it takes to be a star. I also pointed out some things I think he does well. I don't think that is "childish retardness".

As far as Hutch, QC is the better QB right now. Hutch has also had less of a chance, but QC beat him fair and square. He does have some talents though and I think it is foolish to toss him on the scrap heap. How about this scenario? Vinny doesn't come in (for whatever reason, there are many). QC gets hurt early. Do you want to take your chances early with Romo and Henson who have yet to take a NFL regular season snap? At least Hutch has played and has been playing in Europe. The idea of team building is to develop your roster top to bottom. Something I think BP has mentioned. Hutch probably won't be anything long term either, but why not develop him while he is on the roster?

[The Great Number 8]

Originally Posted by Jimz31

I never said to give up on him. Do you not agree that he was thrown to the fire too quickly? I still say he needs more time. I think it was a good idea to send him to Europe, but he still has some of the same problems.

Who said it was so scary? I never said it was a scary question.....if I would have had the question posed to me I would have answered it. I haven't read EVERY post on this thread.

Are you comparing Stewart early in his career to Carter? If so, fine.

Why not compare Carter to McNabb's early career? Their stats are remarkably similar.....I'll bet that scares you though huh?

Ahh...the look at his stats compared to this other guy's stats arguement. I've fallen into that trap at times too. Let's face it, the only way to really evaluate a QB is the way the other 10 guys in the huddle look at him. Will they run through a wall for him? Do THEY believe that he'll lead the comeback? Is the guy a warrior, will he step up and make the throw knowing a linebacker will kill him? Does he demand perfection of himself and his team? Can he adapt to the game and put up 35 points to win one week, and protect the ball in a 7-3 win the next? As Parcells put it, is he a battlefield commander? Those are the only ways to truly evaluate a QB, because if he exibits these traits, you can win Super Bowls, if he doesn't, you don't. Physical qualities help create that belief in a QB, but they aren't always necessary.

QB ratings are what they are, they measure some stuff, don't measure other stuff. At the end of the day, the career QB ratings of Troy Aikman and Jeff George are similar, which tells me everything I need to know about a QB rating. I mean, back to an earlier thread, Randall Cuningham probably had more physical skills than Troy Aikman. But Troy also got knocked out throwing a TD pass by a blitzing linebacker, and everyone knows Randall would have ducked for cover or scrambled in the same situation. Troy could lead our team to Super Bowls because every guy on his sideline knew he'd pay any price to win, just as everyone knew that if the pressure got too big, Cunningham would blow it.

All I know is that in the huddle, with 80,000 opposing fans screaming for blood, I want the leader who says "Guys, there's 11 of us. There's 11 of them trying to kill us. They have 80,000 bloodthirsty fans in their corner who also would love to kill us. And we've got 97 yards to go in two minutes to win. Those poor bastids don't stand a chance." And, most importantly, have every guy in that huddle believe it with every fiber of their being.

I'm no QC fan because I don't think he has these qualities, but I'm not in the huddle with him. If Parcells thinks he's that guy, then forget Henson, Collins, Hutch, Romo, everyone and ride him. If he isn't, get him the hell out of here.

[junk]

Originally Posted by The Great Number 8

Ahh...the look at his stats compared to this other guy's stats arguement. I've fallen into that trap at times too. Let's face it, the only way to really evaluate a QB is the way the other 10 guys in the huddle look at him. Will they run through a wall for him? Do THEY believe that he'll lead the comeback? Is the guy a warrior, will he step up and make the throw knowing a linebacker will kill him? Does he demand perfection of himself and his team? Can he adapt to the game and put up 35 points to win one week, and protect the ball in a 7-3 win the next? As Parcells put it, is he a battlefield commander? Those are the only ways to truly evaluate a QB, because if he exibits these traits, you can win Super Bowls, if he doesn't, you don't. Physical qualities help create that belief in a QB, but they aren't always necessary.

[View Full Quote]QB ratings are what they are, they measure some stuff, don't measure other stuff. At the end of the day, the career QB ratings of Troy Aikman and Jeff George are similar, which tells me everything I need to know about a QB rating. I mean, back to an earlier thread, Randall Cuningham probably had more physical skills than Troy Aikman. But Troy also got knocked out throwing a TD pass by a blitzing linebacker, and everyone knows Randall would have ducked for cover or scrambled in the same situation. Troy could lead our team to Super Bowls because every guy on his sideline knew he'd pay any price to win, just as everyone knew that if the pressure got too big, Cunningham would blow it.

All I know is that in the huddle, with 80,000 opposing fans screaming for blood, I want the leader who says "Guys, there's 11 of us. There's 11 of them trying to kill us. They have 80,000 bloodthirsty fans in their corner who also would love to kill us. And we've got 97 yards to go in two minutes to win. Those poor bastids don't stand a chance." And, most importantly, have every guy in that huddle believe it with every fiber of their being.

I'm no QC fan because I don't think he has these qualities, but I'm not in the huddle with him. If Parcells thinks he's that guy, then forget Henson, Collins, Hutch, Romo, everyone and ride him. If he isn't, get him the hell out of here.

Good post.

[Double Trouble]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Yeah, they are similar in completion % and YPA, but McNabb is much better in TDs, INTs, rushing yards and rushing TDs. The biggest knock on McNabb is his accuracy and that is where he and Quincy match up well, the YPA is hurt by the WCO.

In there first 3 years, Quincy 31 games/McNabb 38, McNabb averaged 1.42 TDs per game, Q .93. NcNabb averaged .84 INTs/G, Q 1.16/G. McNabb rushed for 37.5 YPG, Q 16 YPG. McNabb ran for .21 TDs/G, Q .097 TDs/G.

You don't want me to compare his first 31 with Brady or Warner do you?

Thanks. I thought about doing this because I knew the comparison was laughable. Nevertheless, I don't think McNabb is a stellar QB, and is therefore no measuring stick for a Dallas QB, and I have hopes that the next Dallas QB will be a legitimate franchise QB. Perhaps Aikman and Staubach have spoiled me, but that's what I think they should keep looking for until they find him.