Video: The Blitz talks Linebackers - 4/15/09

[dcfanatic]

Originally Posted by BAT

Asked and answered.

Yeah, you answered and made my point.

He's not worthy of a fourth round pick.

Teams focused on him and shut him down. And that was at the college level.

I never for one second thought Orakpo could be a OLB, check my mock draft. I have him going to the Bengals as a DE. Neither is flexible enough to bend the edge like Ware does.

And that's the answer for Sidbury. He's a better athlete than Veikune. Both he and English do that much better than Veikune.

Veikune takes short strides off the edge. That's not going to be beat many NFL tackles. And his strength, which he used in college, will not help him at this level.

Not sure why you seem offended that I don't like Veikune as much as you do, but if you can find me 10 people who like him over English and Sidbury I would be amazed.

None of them are Demarcus Ware, but look at the three of them move and tell me Veikune projects to be a better edge pass rusher and I would tell you that you need glasses.

[SLATEmosphere]

People talking about Veikune have obviously not watched him play. He isn't that great..in fact he isn't even that good. He's slow rushing the passer and has ZERO moves. He got away with alot in college because of his strength. Well guess what? When you get to the NFL that "strength" wont do much against those NFL T's..Sidbury,English,Sintim and Jason Williams are my choices for OLB.

[BAT]

Originally Posted by

Yeah, you answered and made my point.

He's not worthy of a fourth round pick.

Teams focused on him and shut him down. And that was at the college level.

I never for one second thought Orakpo could be a OLB, check my mock draft. I have him going to the Bengals as a DE. Neither is flexible enough to bend the edge like Ware does.

And that's the answer for Sidbury. He's a better athlete than Veikune. Both he and English do that much better than Veikune.

Veikune takes short strides off the edge. That's not going to be beat many NFL tackles. And his strength, which he used in college, will not help him at this level.

Not sure why you seem offended that I don't like Veikune as much as you do, but if you can find me 10 people who like him over English and Sidbury I would be amazed.

[View Full Quote]None of them are Demarcus Ware, but look at the three of them move and tell me Veikune projects to be a better edge pass rusher and I would tell you that you need glasses.

Not my intention to come off as offended, that's why I apologized in an earlier post in this thread if it appeared that way.


I have never compared Veikune to Ware, that is certainly preposterous, but even Ware can be shut down if there is no else to alleviate pressure on him. And not many players can compare to Ware, his preternatural ability to bend the edge while getting so low is one of his unique characteristics, no one in this draft compares, not even close.


But you are wrong on Veikune, he has the ability to leverage the edge, more consistently than Sidbury. Veikune is still learning, but he has better technique and hand work than Sidbury, who is completely raw. And while Veikune does not have the crazy measurables of Sidbury, at least he plays faster than he times, Sidbury has yet to do so consistently_one of the negatives on Sidbury is that he does not play as fast as he times (he is also raw as steak tartar & is an average, at best, run defender).


My very first post, I stated that English was the best pass rusher in this draft and it was an injustice that Orakpo and Brown were rated above him. But English is at his best on the weakside (like all the first round OLBs, except maybe Ayers), he is unproven in coverage and stopping the run is not a strength. The Cowboys do not need a weakside OLB, they need a strongside OLB, to push Spencer.


I like Veikune b/c he is great value (you seriously do not believe he is worth a FOURTH? GREAT!! Maybe he slips to us in the 5th) PLUS will be a better fit on the strongside. We will have to disagree then, b/c I believe his strength will be a great asset in the NFL, especially on the strongside.



On an entirely different note, anyone else have trouble getting audio on DC's vids?

[BAT]

Originally Posted by SLATEmosphere

People talking about Veikune have obviously not watched him play. He isn't that great..in fact he isn't even that good. He's slow rushing the passer and has ZERO moves. He got away with alot in college because of his strength. Well guess what? When you get to the NFL that "strength" wont do much against those NFL T's..Sidbury,English,Sintim and Jason Williams are my choices for OLB.

On the Jason Williams bandwagon now I see. Williams will be a 3-4 ILB or a 4-3 OLB at the next level. Williams may be able to do spot duty as an OLB in a 3-4 but his skillset is not being maximized there IMO.


Strongside pass rushers (whether 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB, need strength b/c they are called on to stack and shed in the run game, a LOT). Zero moves? Sounds like you are describing Sidbury. Oh, wait, Sidbury has 2 moves, speed and that pretty spin you love so much.


So I have not watched Veikune play? "Obviously", no less. Cowboys must not be as smart as you either, "obviously", since they worked him out. Be honest, other than the dc pro day vid, how many Hawaii games have YOU watched? Clowns are funny.

[SLATEmosphere]

Originally Posted by BAT

On the Jason Williams bandwagon now I see. Williams will be a 3-4 ILB or a 4-3 OLB at the next level. Williams may be able to do spot duty as an OLB in a 3-4 but his skillset is not being maximized there IMO.


Strongside pass rushers (whether 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB, need strength b/c they are called on to stack and shed in the run game, a LOT). Zero moves? Sounds like you are describing Sidbury. Oh, wait, Sidbury has 2 moves, speed and that pretty spin you love so much.


So I have not watched Veikune play? "Obviously", no less. Cowboys must not be as smart as you either, "obviously", since they worked him out. Be honest, other than the dc pro day vid, how many Hawaii games have YOU watched? Clowns are funny.

Speed and a spin move is a pretty deadly skill set. Just ask Dwight Freeney. You are sure getting pretty hot n heavy over some trashy player. I've seen 3 Hawaii games this year and his name barely got called..I barely knew who he was till a month ago. Not sure who you are calling a "clown" but I hope you arn't calling me one. Your the only person that is in love with this guy..pretty sure the Clown is you.

[BAT]

Originally Posted by SLATEmosphere

Speed and a spin move is a pretty deadly skill set. Just ask Dwight Freeney. You are sure getting pretty hot n heavy over some trashy player. I've seen 3 Hawaii games this year and his name barely got called..I barely knew who he was till a month ago. Not sure who you are calling a "clown" but I hope you arn't calling me one. Your the only person that is in love with this guy..pretty sure the Clown is you.

Then pay attention next time. He was Hawaii's best player on D, he was even first team All-WAC as a part time pass rushing specialist the season before last (2007). That's pretty surprising for someone who can't rush the passer don't you think? Trashy player?


Clowns really are funny.