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Old 03-18-2005   #31
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C'mon, how is a 40" vertical jump gonna make him a great player?
Merriman is a pass rusher right? I mena that is why we want him. So did you ever hear of a Batted Pass? That is where a defensive lineman jumps up (i.e. jumps vertically) and knocks down a ball thrown by the QB. The higher he can jump the more problems he presents for opposing QB's being able to find passing lanes.

Having a 40" verticle does not guarntee that he will be a great player. But it is another factor that will help in his gameplay.
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Old 03-18-2005   #32
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The broad jump is a better test for explosiveness then the Vertical jump.

It measures someone jumping outward (closer to being football related). And Merriman beat Pollack by a whopping 1 inch. Either way, 37 inches is still very impressive for a VJ.
Actually, I read an article written by a scout a few years ago which stated that vertical jump is the main stat scouts look at to analyze exploveness.
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Having a 40" verticle does not guarntee that he will be a great player. But it is another factor that will help in his gameplay.


That shouldn't even be a top 5 factor for drafting a player. I want someone that hits QBs, not one that knocks down their passes. Plus, Pollack had a 37" VJ so he can also knock down passes.
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Who cares? He's playing football, not basketball.
What is the second most valuable thing a LB or D-Lineman can do next to a sack? Deflect or pick off passes at the line of scrimmage. It helps when you can jump out of the stadium
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I agree with both Rack and IR (how's that for diplomacy)... The vertical IS used as a test of explosiveness and not really to see how high the play can jump in the air... Except maybe for CBs and WRs.

But I also agree that the broad jump might be a better football test. Just from my own amateur reading of all the combine stats the last few years, it seems like some of the unknowns who turned out to be better than most people expected had good jumps (do we dare call them BJs? ).

After all, they are similar tests, but one is going forward... And hopefully, that's how you're playing football.
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Players with short tyrannosaurus rex arms are at a disadvantage in the vertical jump.
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Players with short arms are at a disadvantage in the vertical jump.
I believe the person judging them would take that into account.
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Anyone know exactly how the test the vert? (not that I think there's much difference here between Merriman's 40 and Pollack's 37).

In HS we used to have a mark where our arm was fully extended above our heads. Then we'd jump and slap a the wall as high as we could above that mark. The difference between the 2 #'s was our VJ.

That's the only way I see that makes sense, and arm length wouldn't factor in.
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Anyone know exactly how the test the vert? (not that I think there's much difference here between Merriman's 40 and Pollack's 37).

In HS we used to have a mark where our arm was fully extended above our heads. Then we'd jump and slap a the wall as high as we could above that mark. The difference between the 2 #'s was our VJ.

That's the only way I see that makes sense, and arm length wouldn't factor in.
I know that in the NBA they test how far a players feet come off the ground for VJ.
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C'mon, how is a 40" vertical jump gonna make him a great player?


And please don't start with the immature "hater" nonsense. Just because we don't agree about a player doesn't mean you have to stoop to elementary school tactics and just call someone a "Hater." Seriously, grow up.

it'll help when he is 6'5" jump a 40 vertical to get into the passing lanes and make it difficult to throw over when he drops back into coverage.
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