Who are the ball-hawking FS's in the 2005 draft?

[SuspectCorner]

Originally Posted by alpha

My favorite late round steals are Sean Cosidine (Iowa) and Marviel Underwood (San Diego St). Sean may slip to the fourth, but has been moving up most draft boards lately. He's probably a late third rounder at this point. Marviel should be a late round pick (7th) or possibly even become an undrafted free agent.

i like underwood too. he'd be a good second-day addition.

[Natedawg44]

Originally Posted by followthestar

with our front 7 upgrades and roy closer to the LOS, you can bet we will take a centerfield type of guy who can get there quickly and make a sure tackle if nothing else. pool isn't the 2nd rated safety prospect for no reason - he has excellent ball skills and at 6'3" and 200 lbs he towers over most of the other rookie class. he'll go in the first half of the second round no worries, if not sooner...
bullocks and the other names mentioned - they're all second day guys. the question is do we take a second day guy, throw him in with the guys already on the roster? or do we go after a name player the first day and try to nail it down? if pool is there with our second round pick, unless we have traded down and have our eye on someone else which i doubt, i think we have to take him. its not a reach - its a position of need and would have to be well-received by everyone as a good solid pick.

He's the 2nd rated prospect because of his size and what scouts thought he would test at. I've watched nearly every game he played and maybe its a coaching issue but he gets burned deep ALOT. It nearly is always in Cover 2 as well look at the games against Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, and National Championship Game. With Zimmers Cover 2 could be a very bad situation. Bad Angles, Poor Instincts or Late Reaction he just does not get to the corners very well. He is very good in the middle of the field I don't dispute that.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by jobberone

Now we totally agree on this one. But I want a safety sized guy who can cover. Just hope we get one.

Agreed. Give me a guy that's say 6'1, 205 at least and I'd be happy... oh yeah he'd better be able to run faster than 4.5 and he'd better have damn good him turn too!

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by K-DOGG

I would select Brandon Browner of Oregon St. He is a 6'3 217lb CB who ran a 4.55 -4.6 at the combine. He is a legit CB but I would move him to FS because of his size and cover skills.

4.55-4.6... not fast enough in my book. 6'3, 217. That's probably too big. A couple inches shorter, a few pounds lighter and sub 4.5 speed. That's what I want.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by Natedawg44

He's the 2nd rated prospect because of his size and what scouts thought he would test at. I've watched nearly every game he played and maybe its a coaching issue but he gets burned deep ALOT. It nearly is always in Cover 2 as well look at the games against Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, and National Championship Game. With Zimmers Cover 2 could be a very bad situation. Bad Angles, Poor Instincts or Late Reaction he just does not get to the corners very well. He is very good in the middle of the field I don't dispute that.

Yep. Whoever the FS is, he has to be a good coverage guy first and foremost.

[Nors]

Miki you are over emphasisizing straight line speed only. Go look at the short shuttle times. See the differential analysis posted yesterady - Marlin Jackson is outstandingly quick and has tremendous change of direction. Instincts in a safety are just as critical. How a slow guy like Everson Walls played forever back there.....

Tebucky Jones is a 230 pound 4.3 guy who has struggled at times during career due to instinct, reaction time issues.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by Nors

Miki you are over emphasisizing straight line speed only. Go look at the short shuttle times. See the differential analysis posted yesterady - Marlin Jackson is outstandingly quick and has tremendous change of direction. Instincts in a safety are just as critical. How a slow guy like Everson Walls played forever back there.....

Tebucky Jones is a 230 pound 4.3 guy who has struggled at times during career due to instinct, reaction time issues.

Now Norsey I also mentioned hip-turn in one of my posts. I agree it's not all straight-ahead speed. By the way I am on Jackson's bandwagon. I would use our 2nd on him and move him to FS.

[Nors]

Jackson is much better FS prospect than Browner. Browner from what I have read has some coverage issues.

[morasp]

sporting news has Dustin Fox Ohio State rated the best safety in press technique and man coverage. He's slotted in the third round and has decent speed at 4.50.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Thnaks everyone,

I appreciate all of your input.
Good stuff!

AF

[warrior3]

anybody that can get scouting reports and doesnt mind sharing them could you get one for Jim Leonard FS from Wisconsin

[Sitting Bull]

Originally Posted by Bobo

Still wondering why Meeuswon wasn't at the combine and why he wasn't listed on Oregon State's Pro Day on NFL.com

Amen. Here's a quote from draftdaddy.com:
No player got less respect come All-Star time than Oregon State star Mitch Meeuwsen. Spurned by the Senior Bowl and the East-West game, Meeuwsen has made the best of his time in Vegas by garnering a ton of praise from a slew of observers. He's an athlete with great size, terrific hitting ability and good leadership qualities. Production wise, few safeties in PAC-10 history have had a better career than Meeuwsen, a 2004 Thorpe award finalist. Lack of speed is the major knock against him, but that hasn't been a problem in Vegas.

Here's a recount of his pro day:
senior safety MITCH MEEUWSEN ran between 4.52 and 4.55 in the 40... some had him as fast as 4.49, which is an amazing improvement from the 4.70/4.75 range he was estimated at last spring... he is also the team's all-time leader with 20 career interceptions...

I've been impressed OSU's entire secondary for two years. This guy could be a steal for somebody.