Can we drop this lie that we never attacked with the 4-3 and will with the 3-4?

[notherbob]

It will do well for a while until someone figures out the way around it is to install a massive front line and a gritty runner and when they stack the box to stop the run, fling the porkie downfield to a speeding receiver or a big tight end slithering underneath, across the middle. (Sound familiar?) The best defense against that is to announce free agency and the cap, but that trick has already been used. I'm sure they'll think of something.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Alexander

Now post this in practically every thread.

Off you go.

I nearly ruined my monitor. That is so true.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Next_years_Champs

Now I feel a little embarrassed because of the vent, but I just get really tired of certain posters who can't seem to post on any topic without turning it into a bash of Coach Zimmer.

I personally think some of this stuff is borderline psychotic, How anyone can hold on so tight to the hatred of one person that they can't say anything without venting that hatred, has to say at least a little about said posters mental condition.

I have been a fan of the Cowboys since 1960 and I can say there have been management and coaching decisions I have strongly disagreed with, but damn its never become a obsession. I mean no matter what its still just a sport and I'm just a fan. I know one thing the last few years the Cowboys have had the fewest talented players on there roster since the very early years. I just don't believe teams win without talent and while this team had a few talented players it hasn't had enough to overcome gameplans aimed at neutralizing them.

Never apologize for a rant. Rants are some of the best posts. We all learn from rants. Even when we don't agree with them.

[Jarv]

Originally Posted by Reality

The problem I've always had with blitzing is the WAY we blitzed. Most of the time we blitz up the middle, the defense shows the blitz before the snap and the offensive line knows where to block. On the fakes, most of the time they back out before the snap so again, the offensive line knows where to block. When we blitz from the corners we usually only blitz one side which makes it easy to pick up. Two outside blitzers can be blocked by one player because they are running full speed and it only takes a slight deflection block to take them completely out of the play.

[View Full Quote]The one thing we have rarely done is a delayed blitz. Delayed blitzes in my opinion get the best results .. have the linebackers or safeties wait in their normal position until AFTER the snap to start charging the line. By then, the OL is focused on their blocking assignments and cannot see the blitzers until it's too late. The few (and I mean VERY few) times we did this last year, it resulted in no gain or yards lost on the play.

That's what I love about the 3-4 .. the 3-4 defense will allow for blitzing from all over the field, where with the old 4-3, Zimmer usually only blitzed up the middle or all from one side. I can remember in 2003 when we had Woodson and Williams, he would send both on a blitz from each side and they'd meet at the quarterback. It was rare that a passing play would be completed when they blitzed like that. Without Woodson last year and with Williams playing FS most of the time, that pressure was missing.

I agree, the 3-4 lets you disguise things better. Zone blitzing too works better out of the 3-4.

[quote]
I can remember in 2003 when we had Woodson and Williams, he would send both on a blitz from each side and they'd meet at the quarterback.

I remember that game against Washington, Roy nearly killed the QB and Darren Woodsen on that play. I can't wait to see him do more of that next year, playing around the LOS and blitzing...

[Chocolate Lab]

Wade Phillips quote:

Originally Posted by Noted 3-4 DC

Chargers defensive coordinator Wade Phillips has a simple way of describing the complexities of switching between a 3-4 and a 4-3 scheme. "All it is is having one guy with his hand on the ground or one guy standing up," Phillips has said for years. "It's not that complicated."

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/ESPNSports/story?id=670090

[Wolverine]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Henderson

Its not that zimmy WUSS never attacked, he just doesn't know how...(Much less anything else)

Just because you have a Porsche doesn't mean you know how to drive...

People that don't see how poor zimmy really is should set back, not post ANYTHING on him and watch/learn the game in more detail....

Meanwhile he has been FIRED from being the DB's coach (He clearly sucked at that too)

And Parcells is now doing things his way...YES!

I agree HH. But I like seein the Zimmer Apologists post. Its funny and makes me laugh. All the excuses they come up with for him. If Quincy Carter got this many excuses and chances he would be our QB for 10 more years. If excuses made a DC great then Zimmer would be the greatest ever.

[Wolverine]

Originally Posted by Next_years_Champs

Now I feel a little embarrassed because of the vent, but I just get really tired of certain posters who can't seem to post on any topic without turning it into a bash of Coach Zimmer.

I personally think some of this stuff is borderline psychotic, How anyone can hold on so tight to the hatred of one person that they can't say anything without venting that hatred, has to say at least a little about said posters mental condition.

I have been a fan of the Cowboys since 1960 and I can say there have been management and coaching decisions I have strongly disagreed with, but damn its never become a obsession. I mean no matter what its still just a sport and I'm just a fan. I know one thing the last few years the Cowboys have had the fewest talented players on there roster since the very early years. I just don't believe teams win without talent and while this team had a few talented players it hasn't had enough to overcome gameplans aimed at neutralizing them.

Wow. I guess Mike Zimmer has a brother.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Wolverine

I agree HH. But I like seein the Zimmer Apologists post. Its funny and makes me laugh. All the excuses they come up with for him. If Quincy Carter got this many excuses and chances he would be our QB for 10 more years. If excuses made a DC great then Zimmer would be the greatest ever.

Guess it just requires the one excuse - Parcells. Otherwise he'd be fired and Parcells wouldn't speak about him so well in the PCs.

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by TruBlueCowboy

I've got to get this off my chest because I've been reading this a lot lately. Many fans are down on Zimmer for last year and accuse him of never employing an attack-oriented defense. They say he never blitzed and that the 3-4 will force him to do it.

My question is did any of you yokels who keep writing this actually watch the 2003 season? My god, we blitzed the hell out of teams, and we got burned plenty of times for it too! Mario Edwards became public enemy number one among Dallas Cowboy fans because he was usually the guy most suspectible to being burned when we went with cover zero.

[View Full Quote]Can we clear something up now? You can be an attacking defense in the 4-3 just as much as you can in the 3-4. The 3-4 simply gives you more versatility and that is all. If we lose half our starting secondary to injury just like last year, you're going to see the same conservative approach to the defense that you did last year. Becoming a 3-4 defense is not going to magically force Zimmer into being a more aggressive defensive coordinator.

If you want further proof, look at the Baltimore Ravens who are abandoning the 3-4 and going to the 4-3 and at the same time, are actually going to become a more aggressive defense under Buddy Ryan's son! The reason is because they have one of the best secondaries in the NFL!

I think a 3-4 team has advantages in that it is much easier to build than a 4-3 team, it gives a QB different looks and keeps him guessing, and allows the defensive coordinator more creativity in his play-calling. I don't think it applies any more pressure than a 4-3, though, if you have the right talent for your formation.

Excellent post. It's good to see someone was actually watching the games. I get surprised everytime I hear that crap too. The only answer I can come up with is they didn't see the game.

Now I may have my reservations on Henson and people give me heat for that. But those who spout off nonsense like Zimmer doesn't attack is either very ignorant on the topic or is truly a troll just looking for a reaction.

Zimmer is aggressive. If you don't see that you're a moron.

[Waffle]

Originally Posted by Wolverine

I agree HH. But I like seein the Zimmer Apologists post. Its funny and makes me laugh. All the excuses they come up with for him. If Quincy Carter got this many excuses and chances he would be our QB for 10 more years. If excuses made a DC great then Zimmer would be the greatest ever.

Why don't you two Zimmer Antagonists go and get a room already.

[Crown Royal]

On a more pertinent note....why can't this thread just DIE?!

[Waffle]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

On a more pertinent note....why can't this thread just DIE?!

It was well on its way until a few minutes ago.

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by Next_years_Champs

See people this fan comes loaded with facts, I mean anyone can say that injury to your most knowledgeable defensive player was a major problem last year. Or the lack of speedy and talented defensive linemen and linebackers caused the teams defensive problems. Or that because of injury you had 2 unexperienced rookies starting in the secondary.

But NO the problem is you don't know enough about details, you know like the ones NOT listed in his post. And then the usual twisted logic, if you don't agree with him you don't know what your talking about.

Post of the day.

[Wolverine]

Originally Posted by Waffle

It was well on its way until a few minutes ago.

You could chose not to respond and let it die.

[Waffle]

Originally Posted by Wolverine

You could chose not to respond and let it die.

Thanks for the advice, Wolverine. :shootme: