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Phoenix-Talon · 05-26-2005

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No, its been fairly accurate for the last 39 years....

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dargonking999 · 05-26-2005

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to bad its not these

instead its this

Phoenix-Talon · 05-26-2005

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to bad its not these

Very original.

ConcordCowboy · 05-26-2005

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Clearly that is your take. White was a very good QB for Dallas up until the point he broke his wrist. White had plenty of games where he helped lead Dallas from behind. As for the 9ers game they put up 28 points on the Cowboys defense, I think they share in the blame for the loss. Too put it all on the shoulder of the QB is wrong. If your measurement of a QB is by how many rings he has then I completely disagree with that assessment.

Exactly.....Because I know that Marino sucks!

White was a very good Quarterback....And the Cowboys would be just fine if they had him in his prime today!

dargonking999 · 05-26-2005

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Very original.

thanx i know i worked long and hard on that one

Doomsday101 · 05-26-2005

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Exactly.....Because I know that Marino sucks!

White was a very good Quarterback....And the Cowboys would be just fine if they had him in his prime today!

I agree. Guys like Marino and Fouts were 2 of the all time greats to play this game and their teams did not fail because of the play from these players. John Elway won a SB late in his career but only when other parts of the team namely a RB was added to the team. I will go to my grave believing that team’s wins championship not 1 individual.

kartr · 05-26-2005

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Clearly that is your take. White was a very good QB for Dallas up until the point he broke his wrist. White had plenty of games where he helped lead Dallas from behind. As for the 9ers game they put up 28 points on the Cowboys defense, I think they share in the blame for the loss. Too put it all on the shoulder of the QB is wrong. If your measurement of a QB is by how many rings he has then I completely disagree with that assessment.

White's wrist wasn't broken when he turned the ball over in 1980,1981, and 1982. He was a good QB, just not a championship caliber one and he had the weapons to win the whole thing 3 times. Roger or Montana would have won at least one of those NFC championships for us. That's what I'm talking about.

Doomsday101 · 05-26-2005

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White's wrist wasn't broken when he turned the ball over in 1980,1981, and 1982. He was a good QB, just not a championship caliber one and he had the weapons to win the whole thing 3 times. Roger or Montana would have won at least one of those NFC championships for us. That's what I'm talking about.

And Roger also falled aginst the steelers and some other playoff loses along the way. As great as Roger was it still took the team to perform to win the championships and when we did not perform we lost even with Roger. Here was a comment by Landry (although I know you have no respect for him either)
"Danny White was probably as fine a winner as we have had in football," said Tom Landry, the legendary former head coach of the Cowboys. "He wasn't gifted as some quarterbacks were, but he knew how to win football games. I don't think anybody could have followed Roger and done as well as Danny." "If we had reached the Super Bowl in 1981 [the year of Dwight Clark's catch], we might have won the Super Bowl a couple of more times. I think Danny would have gotten us there again. Danny was a solid winner."

Phoenix-Talon · 05-26-2005

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thanx i know i worked long and hard on that one

Come git some ...

kartr · 05-26-2005

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This is pretty lame, I watched Danny his whole career and there were several games that Danny pulled off the late come from behind victories. Sorry dude blaming 1 player out of a team of 53 is stupid. Believe it or not teams win championship not QB alone. As for you comment on Carter leading Dallas to the playoffs BS QB's throwing more int than TD are not leading anything, thankfully in 2003 dallas defense played well enough to overcome Carters crappy play

Danny inherited a team that went to the S.B. twice('77'78) and the playoffs in '79. All he had to do was drive the bus;he had a heisman back,all pro receivers and all pro tight end and a championship caliber D. That defense was good enough to get to the playoffs from 77-83 and as was their offense. Danny was the weakest link on that team and that's why I blame him.

As for Carter,most 3rd year QB's have thrown more int than tds, that's a part of the learning process(see Aikman,Elway,Carr,Harrington,etc.) Aikman was in his 4th year before he threw more tds than int,plus thru his first 39 starts, he was 13-26;contrast to Carter(34 starts = 18 wins and 16 losses). Carter's crappy play = 10-6 record,5th highest passing yardage total despite 29 dropped passes contrasted to the Packers receivers dropping 2 in the same year;Antonio Bryant's drop percentage was 20%, whereas the average WR drops only about 12%. Also, Shaun Alexander and Tomlinson had over 10 td runs,whereas Hambrick had 5 in the first 8 games and 0 in last 8,the toughest part of their schedule. Carter had no help,yet passed for over 200 yards 5 times in the last 8 games, again, the toughest part of the schedule(210 against NE,254 against Panthers (super bowl team),288 against the Dolphins with their 10-6 record and good pash rushers or solid corner backs,290 against the Saints(top 10 defense against the pass) and 200+ against the Giants).

If the Cowboys defense was so good, why did they give 250 passing against the Dolphins with Fe-Fi-Fo Fiedler throwing the ball;why did the defense crash and burn against the Eagles in game two and in the playoffs against the Panthers;and why did they flame completely out in 2004. I'll tell you why, Dallas ran a balanced offense with Carter and Hambrick(good mix of run and pass, even tho Hambone ave. only 3.5 yards per carry,but Carter ave. 206 yards per game, which beats Brady's 187 per game in 2001, when they won the super bowl. Carter's play was more than adequate;it was the failure to get a pass rusher and a decent running back and possession receiver who'd catch the ball and go over the middle that hurt the 2003 team, not Carter's play.

Phoenix-Talon · 05-26-2005

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thanx i know i worked long and hard on that one

Come git somemore ...

Doomsday101 · 05-26-2005

kartr, We had a SB caliber team in 72,73,74,76 and 79 did not go to the SB in any of those years and failed to make the playoffs in the 74 season. Was Roger to blame for that? Danny put up the numbers to win games the team in general including white were not able to get over the hump but white was no more to blame than Roger was for those season in which the team failed to make it to the SB.