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Randy White · 04-29-2011

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Originally Posted by SMCowboy

The fact that the Vikings are saying that Jerry Jones wanted #12 and this year 2nd round pick to move back 3 spots says alot about how highly the Cowboys think of Tyron Smith....

What I found interesting is that the Vikings implied that they would have probably done it ( moved up for Gabbert ) if they had a 3rd round choice, but they didn't. They didn't want to end up with just 1 pick in the first 3 rounds.

SMCowboy · 04-29-2011

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Originally Posted by Randy White

I'm going to be honest, I wasn't thrilled with the pick. Personally I'm not one for drafting O-linemen in the first round because I'm from the Jimmy school of drafting on this one: you can find hungry ones in later rounds. I also have a problem with O-linemen who are late pushers in the draft. In all the years that I've been watching the draft, I don't remember one jumping into the top 10 so late and with so thin of a resume. I was also irritated at the way the draft was unfolding and seeing how the Cowboys basically put an added value on Smith that was a bit too much. Jerry said in the presser that he was entertaining offers all the way until the last minute, ten seconds. Assuming, for arguments sake, that the offers he was entertaining were roughly the price that Jacksonville paid the Deadskins to move up to #10, that means the Cowboys believe that Smith is worth a Castonzo or Carimi ( I'm not a Solder fan ) plus a 2nd round pick, plus the difference in salary between the 9th pick [View Full Quote]

How does Smith have a thin resume, a multi year starter at USC, the conference OL of the year this year. And for the record, I still don't buy the argument that Tyron Smith pushed into the top 10 so late. The time that he "pushed into the top 10" there were no combine numbers, no Pro Days, nothing was going on. He just didn't start as high on "internet guru" mock drafts, because none of the "internet guru's" expected him to come out early. But obviously Dallas thought he would come out early, and were on him early, if he was the most scouted player by our scouts this year. I don't think it is as much him shooting up teams draft boards, as much as it is him shooting up "internet guru's" draft boards as more and more info about what teams thought about him became available, to match where teams had him rated to begin with....

SDogo · 04-29-2011

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Originally Posted by realtick

They also only had 10 minutes, not 15.

Which after last night circus and given the new format the NFL needs to look at again.

ZeroClub · 04-29-2011

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Anyway, I'm fine with Smith, but I do wish we could've found a way to trade down a couple spots and add a 3rd or even 4th rounder. Seems like we could have with Fairley and Ponder still on the board.

Yeah, I felt like Jerry might have left some value on the table by not trading back a bit,

I also have a concern that over the long haul Jerry just won't be able to keep two LT salaries on the same roster.

We'll have to see how that plays out.

Randy White · 04-29-2011

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Originally Posted by SMCowboy

How does Smith have a thin resume, a multi year starter at USC, the conference OL of the year this year. And for the record, I still don't buy the argument that Tyron Smith pushed into the top 10so late. The time that he "pushed into the top 10" there were no combine numbers, no Pro Days, nothing was going on. He just didn't start as high on "internet guru" mock drafts, because none of the "internet guru's" expected him to come out early.

Ususally linemen drafted in the top 10 are regarded as top 10 talent even before their senior year in college, sometimes even earlier than that, as is the case with Smith's teammate Matt Kalil, a will be junior who's regarded, as of right now, as a top 5 pick in next year's draft if he declares.

The Cowboys themselves didn't have Smith rated as a top 10 pick as late as December, as per Jerry Jones in his presser. Not a huge deal, but it shows he shot up the ladder late and it wasn't just with " internet gurus ".

As far as his resume is concern, he has 24 starts in his 3 years career for USC, with 10 other games as a back up and special team player ( he came in as a TE ). That's less than the typical lineman drafted in the top 10 usually has.

Sam I Am · 04-29-2011

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Originally Posted by Randy White

The Cowboys themselves didn't have Smith rated as a top 10 pick as late as December, as per Jerry Jones in his presser. Not a huge deal, but it shows he shot up the ladder late and it wasn't just with " internet gurus ".

Really? I heard they had a scout at every single one of his games last year.

burmafrd · 04-29-2011

So he does not have as much experience? He also does not have as much wear either. He was highly regarded last year; no one really expected him to come out so a lot of draft types did not spend much time on him. and to be honest, listening to Jerruh on drafting is not a good idea.

Randy White · 04-29-2011

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Originally Posted by SDogo

Which after last night circus and given the new format the NFL needs to look at again.

Oh no.. Last night was perfect. The first round lasted 3 1/2 hours and it looked quicker than that. I don't want to go back to the 4 and 5 hours first rounds where nothing happens but 5 commercials during team's alloted time.

I'm not a fan of the format because the first round feels like a tease and I'm not too patient, but I love the 10 minutes slots.

Randy White · 04-29-2011

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Originally Posted by nyc

Really? I heard they had a scout at every single one of his games last year.

Of course they did. Look at where he played. Every team had a scout in every USC game last year.

Sam I Am · 04-29-2011

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Originally Posted by Randy White

Oh no.. Last night was perfect. The first round lasted 3 1/2 hours and it looked quicker than that. I don't want to go back to the 4 and 5 hours first rounds where nothing happens but 5 commercials during team's alloted time.

I'm not a fan of the format because the first round feels like a tease and I'm not too patient, but I love the 10 minutes slots.

I think 10 minutes is perfect. Any more and it drags on too long from a watching perspective. Any less and you (the teams) are really rushed if you are trying to make a deal.

Sam I Am · 04-29-2011

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Originally Posted by Randy White

Of course they did. Look at where he played. Every team had a scout in every USC game last year.

I mean to watch him specifically. That is what was said.

We get it, you don't like the pick.

Randy White · 04-29-2011

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

So he does not have as much experience? He also does not have as much wear either. He was highly regarded last year; no one really expected him to come out so a lot of draft types did not spend much time on him. and to be honest, listening to Jerruh on drafting is not a good idea.

I agree with the wear and tear, I don't know about the " highly regarded " part. I hear ya about Jerrah but all Cowboys fans should know how to filter and decipher his encrypted messages by now.. It took a few years at the begining during the 90's ( especially after Jimmah Jenius ), but the decoder ring should be fully functional by this time.

Randy White · 04-29-2011

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Originally Posted by nyc

I mean to watch him specifically. That is what was said. We get it, you don't like the pick.

Apparently you don't get it. Not being " thrilled " with it ( and that's mostly with the selection he was picked with, not the player himself ), does not mean " not like it ".. Oh, and it's very interesting that they had a scout in every game " specifically for him " but as of December he wasn't rated as a top 10 pick by them.

In reality, the Cowboys might have had a scout in every USC game but I guarantee you it wasn't " specifically for him ". No scout " specifically " does work on just one player for an entire year.

SMCowboy · 04-29-2011

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Originally Posted by Randy White

Apparently you don't get it. Not being " thrilled " with it ( and that's mostly with the selection he was picked with, not the player himself ), does not mean " not like it ".. Oh, and it's very interesting that they had a scout in every game " specifically for him " but as of December he wasn't rated as a top 10 pick by them.

In reality, the Cowboys might have had a scout in every USC game but I guarantee you it wasn't " specifically for him ". No scout " specifically " does work on just one player for an entire year.

While no scout goes specifically just for one guy, teams most certainly do send scouts for the main purpose of looking at one guy. And the word has been for a while that Dallas had a scout at every one of his games with his main goal being to watch Tyron Smith....

And how do we know that Dallas didn't have Tyron Smith as a top 10 pick in December? Because Jerry said so before the draft? Have you still not learned to NEVER believe anything Jerry Jones says before the draft....

I have no idea where the Cowboys viewed Tyron Smith in December, and the truth is you don't really know either. But, the fact that we had a scout at all of his games this year, with his main job to scout Tyron Smith certainly gives the impression that he was very high on their board from the beginning....